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In fact, they made her wonder if God really loved her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I used to think I had to be as brave as Daniel and then God would love me; but I knew very well I wasn\u2019t nearly as brave as Daniel, and I wouldn\u2019t want to be thrown into a den of lions. I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, I don\u2019t believe in God,\u201d rather than be thrown\u2014so, I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It\u2019s, most of all, a story. It\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story, there is a baby; and every single story in the Bible whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 16<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. It is good to tell your children Bible stories, but it\u2019s even better if you can point them to Jesus in those stories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. I think I just need to say to the grandparents who are tuned in today: \u201cGo ahead and get your credit card out now,\u201d because, by the time we\u2019re done, you\u2019re going to want to go online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, and order multiple copies of what we\u2019re talking about to send to your grandkids this Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is really good stuff. We\u2019re going to be talking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. It\u2019s kind of subtitled here: <em>Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that great? I love that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love that. I do. It\u2019s an illustrated Bible that\u2019s going to help you communicate the truth about Jesus Christ to the next generation\u2014then, another book, <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>. Both of these are by Sally Lloyd-Jones. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I want to welcome Sally to our broadcast. Before she says, \u201cHello,\u201d I want to warn our listeners that Sally has a very thick accent. <br><br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a lovely\u2014in fact, I\u2019m wishing that, with the book, you would come along and read the stories in your accent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And now\u2014what if I put on a different accent and, then, threw you completely for the whole interview? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, you think you could fake Southern? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No; if I could, I would have tried. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally lives in New York City. She is a leading writer of inspirational books for children and just has a great heart of wanting to get the gospel, and the truth about God, to children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhy did you come to New York City from England? I mean, Wales is a beautiful place! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What were you thinking? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> What was I thinking? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cardiff by the sea\u2014you left it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, \u201cWow!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I was actually working in London. I thought, \u201cYou know\u201d\u2014I saw the job advertised. I was working in publishing because I was doing the classic thing of almost doing what I wanted; but I was on the wrong side of the desk\u2014I was an editor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI saw an ad; and I thought, \u201cOh, I could do that.\u201d But probably, like all Londoners, I thought: \u201cProbably, I shouldn\u2019t go to America for more than a year. That probably wouldn\u2019t be wise.\u201d So, I came; but that was back in 1989. So, that shows you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why do all Londoners think they shouldn\u2019t come to America for more than a year? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Probably because they think London is the center of the whole universe, like New Yorkers. So, I fitted in perfectly. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you live in New York City as such? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I do. I love it. Every day you come out of your door\u2014you don\u2019t know what\u2019s coming next. It\u2019s like an adventure. I love it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You came to New York in a publishing position; but behind the scenes, your heart\/ your desire was to write books; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I always had wanted to be a writer, but I suffered from the idea that that was just a dream; and \u201cI\u2019m just a child,\u201d and \u201cAnyway, I\u2019m English. You\u2019ve got to be realistic and financially responsible.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, as a child, I had read this book called <em>Edward Lear\u2019s<\/em> <em>The Complete Nonsense<\/em>, when I was about seven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It changed everything, because I didn\u2019t know you were allowed to have so much fun inside a book. He was doing drawings and funny rhymes. At seven, I didn\u2019t know better. So, I just kept making up rhymes, and doing drawings, and inflicting them on anyone I could get hold of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, if I would have known you\u2014if I\u2019d been going to school with you, at that time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019d have been known as a writer? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, making up stories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Constantly dreaming? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, dreamy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Telling\u2014making people listen to your stories? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, making them laugh, being very dreamy\u2014terrible at math\u2014not doing very well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, what was your favorite story you wrote as a kid? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, I don\u2019t remember a single one. Well, except I think my favorite piece of writing was the one that the teacher\u2014you know, we all have a teacher that made all the difference. And I had a teacher called Mr. Dean. He was 26\u2014tall, dark, and handsome. He told a nine-year-old that she could write. And the piece of writing that he loved was about going on the train and saying goodbye to my mother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019ve always remembered that because it was seared into my mind because he believed in me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, even though I grew up thinking, \u201cI can\u2019t really have my dream,\u201d there was another side, deeper down, where I thought, \u201cYes, but Mr. Dean said I could write.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just one person\u2019s belief can make a huge difference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, amazing. I mean, I also had my mother telling me that; but of course, somehow, you think, \u201cWell, they <em>have<\/em> to tell you that because they <em>have<\/em> to love you because they\u2019re your mum.\u201d So, something about a teacher\u2014I have a huge respect for them. My sister is a teacher, and it\u2019s an incredible gift. I\u2019m just sad they don\u2019t get paid more and recognized more because they are so\u2014it\u2019s such a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to ask you this question, right off the start. I usually save this question for the end of the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Uh-oh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Truthfully, I\u2019ve asked it of several women; but generally, it\u2019s a question that I\u2019m known to ask of men. But here is a young lady\u2014you\u2019re single. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You left London to come live in Big City\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, \u201cHello!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> London is a pretty big city too. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, it is; but it\u2019s a foreign city. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; alright. The question is this, Sally: \u201cWhat is <em>the<\/em> most courageous thing you have ever done?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I think when I went to boarding school, when I was eight. I didn\u2019t have a choice; but I think that\u2019s probably God equipping me, I think, for the life He was calling me to. But I remember my dad giving me Joshua 1. So there I was, eight years old, being told: \u201cBe strong and very courageous,\u201d and \u201ceverywhere you step\u2014that your foot steps on\u2014every piece of ground\u2026\u201d\u2014so, I had this kind of heroic vision that my dad gave me. We knelt by the bed together before I went to school. I was terrified, and it made me ill. I mean, the first night I was sort of just terribly frightened; but I also knew God was going ahead of me and calling me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I look back on that verse; and it\u2019s been true of my whole life. And I feel like that was a terrifying thing, as an eight year old; and God was faithful. So, coming to America\u2014that\u2019s kind of terrifying me right now to think if I\u2019d have to do that now\u2014but at the time, it didn\u2019t feel scary because I kind of knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was consistent with your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, He kind of trained me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I feel like I\u2019ve always been more at home away from home\u2014feeling like my life is an adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But your dad <em>pushed<\/em> you out of the nest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, boarding schools\u2014to most Americans are\u2014we don\u2019t really have an understanding what that looks like. How many years did you go to that boarding school? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I went, basically, from eight to eighteen. So, I was out of the house from eight; but the reason I went was because we were living in Africa. I\u2019d gone to the international school; but\u2014because I was this child that was dreamy, and in-the-clouds, and all that\u2014I wasn\u2019t thriving in this international school. My parents were faced with this awful, impossible decision: \u201cWere they going to let me stay in this school and not thrive?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, they knew, when they came back to England, I would really be in trouble because I already had this idea that I wasn\u2019t clever. So, they could see the trajectory if they left me in that school. Then, they realized that the best kind of education I could get would be at boarding school. So, it sounds really horrible, and it was traumatic for me; but the school was so amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that school that this teacher was. Those years\u2014from eight to twelve, especially\u2014that was the school\u2014my prep school. It was in an old manor house. Actually, it was in the Jacobean mansion rumored to be Thomas Hardy\u2019s <em>Tess of the D\u2019Urberville<\/em>\u2019s Bram Hurst Court. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ohhh! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> But that\u2019s not the worst bit. It was\u2014I love telling people this\u2014it\u2019s so horribly ghoulish! [Laughter]\u2014but it was the house owned by the last woman beheaded in England\u2014Dame Alice Lisle. She was executed by Judge Jeffreys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know that, at age nine or ten? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I loved it! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you think you would be writing today? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t think so. I actually think, because those years are so vivid in my head\u2014any friend, you ask, of mine, will tell you I\u2019m forgetting things all the time\u2014but my childhood is extremely vivid. I think, maybe, I\u2019d be writing; but maybe, I wouldn\u2019t be writing children\u2019s books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I think about our approach to raising kids. It typically is\u2014we\u2019re trying to deliver comfort. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019re trying to protect, at every turn. Yet, it\u2019s kind of a \u201cWow!\u201d to me that your dad had the vision for you, and recognized your talent, and did something that had to be extremely hard on him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I think my parents suffered more than I did because they didn\u2019t\u2014you know, when they told me\u2014I can remember\u2014I was sitting at the breakfast table of our colonial home in Freetown, Sierra Leone. The fan was going above my head, and my bare feet were swinging in the heat. My parents said to me, \u201cWe have to send you away.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking\u2014because I was seven, I thought\u2014and I\u2019m the eldest\u2014so, I thought: \u201cOh! Maybe, everyone, at seven, gets sent away.\u201d Then, I thought, \u201cMaybe, I have an older sister,\u201d because I really wanted an older sister. I didn\u2019t like being the older\u2014because I was a dreamy, head-in-the-clouds\u2014I wasn\u2019t really a good older sister.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I said to my parents: \u201cOh! Did you have any other children that went away?\u201d because they never said I was coming back. I told that to a friend of mine, who is a writer. His take was, \u201cYou were already making up stories to make it work in your head.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t realize this, but there are some moms and some dads, who are listening to your story right now, and their hearts are soaring with hope because they are raising a child who may be a dreamer. Dreamy heads\u2014you\u2019ve mentioned that phrase at least six times, here, in less than ten minutes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> God built you in such a way that you had gifts and talents that were expressing themselves. Today, you\u2019ve had an impact upon a lot of children\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019m very grateful because, whenever I come across a child that\u2019s not thriving at school, my heart goes out to them because I know\u2014and I have a nephew like this. I\u2019m always telling him: \u201cYou just don\u2019t learn the way that they know how to teach; but you\u2019re going to be someone who is amazing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou\u2019re going to soar, and you\u2019re going to have something so specific to what you can do.\u201d But, then, I\u2019m his aunt, so I have to say that. So he doesn\u2019t really believe me. [Laughter] But I really believe it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were there times in your life when your dreamy-headedness was a frustration?\u2014when you wished you weren\u2019t as dreamy as you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes, because, you know, I have a sister who\u2019s not like that. I kind of think I abdicated. She became the older sister and I just\u2014this was inspiration for one of my books\u2014I wrote up a book called <em>How to be a Baby, by Me, the Big Sister.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking today to Sally Lloyd-Jones, who\u2019s the author of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible <\/em>for kids<em>.<\/em> I want to know how you made the transition from being on one side of the desk, at the publishing office, to the other. And was it always in the direction of children\u2019s stories, or did you start off, fancying yourself as the great\u2014not the great American novelist\u2014the great British novelist? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I was either going to be an actor or a writer. I wanted to prepare for my careers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew, as a child, that you\u2019re famous\u2014if you are either of those, you are famous. And then, I thought\u2014and this is funny because here we are\u2014\u201cWell, what happens when you\u2019re famous is\u2014you get interviewed on the radio.\u201d So, I\u2014this is why I\u2019m so good at interviews. I would practice, under the sheets in my bed, when I was eight, my interviews\u2014but because I didn\u2019t know what I\u2019d done\u2014so, I couldn\u2019t say. All I could practice were the in-between bits like: \u201cOh, that\u2019s so interesting you would ask that. Ha. Ha. Ha. Yes.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd do special interview laughing. [Laughter] Anyway, that was what I was doing at eight. It\u2019s quite funny to tell you this while we sit here. So, to answer your question, properly\u2014I made the transition because I got laid off, really; but I started off in school textbooks at Oxford University Press in Oxford. That was my first job, and I loved it. I was trained really well, and it was just a great experience. But down the corridor, came all this laughter; and that was the children\u2019s picture book department. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI decided there, \u201cOkay, that\u2019s where I want to work because they are having all the fun.\u201d But I didn\u2019t think I could write picture books because I wasn\u2019t good enough and all that stuff. So, I kept working in editing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I came to America; and I was working\u2014and it was always in children\u2019s books. Then, they started not being able to afford to pay the writers because I worked on books that could flap, and squeak, and tick, and bounce. It never really mattered to them what the content was. But I always thought, \u201cWell, why don\u2019t you make it good quality?\u201d So, I would end up writing the books, without meaning to, because they had no budget. So, I kind of started writing these kinds of books on the side\u2014you know, just as part of my job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, they didn\u2019t have a Christian message\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014at all? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014because my whole vision was\u2014I was brought up in a Christian home \/ had grown up in the church. I didn\u2019t really want to just stay in the church. I wanted to get my training in the general market and get the best training I could get. So, I had this plan: \u201cI\u2019m going to work in a general publisher.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I come to America. I\u2019m working in a general publisher, and they know I\u2019m a Christian. Suddenly, they start giving me Bible books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod\u2019s sense of humor was wonderful because I had decided I wasn\u2019t going to work in Christian books \/ I was going to work in general books, but I got the best combination of both. I became the publisher of the Christian children\u2019s book line. It combined my two passions, you know, of writing and my faith. So, it was a wonderful combination. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, were you at home, in the evening, writing out your own stories? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know it was children\u2019s books. I was doing like vignettes to use in church\u2014like dramas\u2014because I loved acting. The pastor would use it in the sermon. So, I\u2019d be doing that kind of writing. But when my nephew came along\u2014when he was born\u2014suddenly, when I was working on these books at this publishing company\u2014I suddenly had a real child to write for. When I\u2019d be working on a Bible story book, I\u2019d be thinking: \u201cWell, what would Harry\u2014how would I say it to him? He\u2019s not going to understand sin. I can\u2019t just say, \u2018sin.\u2019 He\u2019s not going to know anything about that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it forced me\u2014and it became a great training. I started to think of a real child\u2014talking\u2014just talking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy writing started to change, where it became not sounding like writing. And I love what Elmore Leonard said\u2014he said, \u201cIf it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It shouldn\u2019t sound like writing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you explain to a four-year-old about sin, how do you explain it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I think you have to have lots of different ways; but one of the best ways, I think, is running away, and hiding, and thinking you can be happy without God. That\u2019s one way. Another way is to think of sin is like poison that makes your heart sick\u2014so that it doesn\u2019t work properly anymore. It\u2019s thinking that you can be happy without God, but God knows there is no such thing. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s all about making it relational. The danger I see in some Bible story books is that it is made only about the rules; but we all know, if it\u2019s about the rules, our hearts are hard. Rules make us want to rebel, but if you hear that sin is actually breaking God\u2019s heart, then, a child responds to that because they don\u2019t want to break someone\u2019s heart who loves them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about both of these books. I just want you to give our listeners just a real quick synopsis of what each of these is about. First of all, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible: Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>\u2014this is a story book, along with a DVD. What\u2019s this about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s really telling the great story underneath all the stories of the Bible because, when I grew up, I thought the Bible was about me and what I\u2019m supposed to be doing so God would love me. I thought it was a book of rules that you had to keep; and then, God would be pleased with you and love you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr else, it was a book of heroes you are supposed to copy. I used to think I had to be as brave as Daniel and then, God would love me. But I knew very well that I wasn\u2019t nearly as brave as Daniel, and I wouldn\u2019t want to be thrown into a den of lions; and I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, I don\u2019t believe in God,\u201d rather than be thrown. So, I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d So, this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It\u2019s, most of all, a story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story, there is a baby; and every single story in the Bible whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where had you learned that? Because I don\u2019t think it\u2019s common for kids to grow up thinking that every story in the Bible points to Jesus. Where did that idea come to you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It came because I worked\u2014you know, I\u2019m in New York. I came to New York around the time that Tim Keller came to New York, and I belong to his church. So, over the years, I say to people\u2014they say to me, \u201cWell, what\u2019s your theological training?\u201d I say: \u201cWell, I\u2019ve read John Stott, Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones. I\u2019ve had the best training. But I also think I\u2019ve been to Tim Keller University by listening to his sermons, week after week, and hearing grace, every single Sunday.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn every single sermon, there is a point in the sermon where it all seems hopeless. You could leave\u2014a lot of people would leave the sermon there\u2014where you are left trying harder\u2014which is how I grew up, as a child\u2014but it always turns, and as every sermon should. It turns and points to Jesus because He\u2019s the only hope we have. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you realize that, then the Bible is transformed into this incredible hope-filled book. I wanted children to know that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally, that\u2019s a good description of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. This other one\u2014<em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014what\u2019s that all about?\u2014because it\u2019s actually illustrated by a young man who is out in Cornwall in England\u2014Jago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, Jago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Share with our listeners what this is about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> This book was inspired by my niece, who went from being a very vivacious little girl of about eight, at the time\u2014and she would kind of walk through her life, singing the soundtrack for her own life kind of thing. She went\u2014almost overnight\u2014she turned into someone who you could hardly hear speak. Her voice was very, very hidden away. We, then, found out she\u2019d been bullied at school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater, when she was better, I said to her, \u201cWhy did you go like that?\u201d She said these words that I won\u2019t ever forget. She said, \u201cI thought if I stopped being me, I wouldn\u2019t get in trouble.\u201d It broke my heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we are grown-up\u2014before we go into a scary meeting, we\u2019ll read our devotions. We\u2019ll have something. We know where to go to get comfort; but when I asked my niece what she was doing, she showed me all these kind of awful sort of work-like things to fill in the blanks. I thought, \u201cHow is that going to help her when she\u2019s got to face the scary bullies?\u201d I thought, \u201cI wish she had a book that told her what God says about her instead of what the bullies say.\u201d And that\u2019s where this book came from. It\u2019s a book of hope for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Which one of these\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, I picked out one for her to read. Can I do this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. I was going to have her read one. I was going to have her pick her favorite, but we\u2019ll do that later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Each of these is about a page long\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014not very long. There is a passage from the Bible that\u2019s included, but I want you to read <em>Winkie<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. I love <em>Winkie<\/em>. <em>Winkie<\/em>: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring World War II, a damaged plane crashed into the sea. The crew had no way to radio for help; but they had a vital piece of equipment, a pigeon named Winkie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWinkie flew all the way home to the base, all 129 miles, alerting rescuers and saving the entire crew. She was awarded a special medal for her heroism. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHowever far away they are, birds can find their way home again, and again, and again; but not God\u2019s children. God\u2019s children aren\u2019t homesick for Him. God is our true home. Away from Him, we are lost. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre you far away today? Be like Winkie. The minute you realize you\u2019ve gone off course, head home: \u201cO, return to Me, for I have paid the price to set you free.\u201d Isaiah 44:22\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You see, I don\u2019t just want a copy of the book. I want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014her voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want Sally to come along and read it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Read it all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Is there an audio book for this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. And we have\u2014if you\u2019ve ever come across <em>Poirot<\/em>, we have David Suchet reading, who\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want David Suchet\u2014I want you! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, you\u2019re so nice. Well, I think the thing is I\u2019m good for about two or three.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut after about ten, you might be like: \u201cOh, shut up! Be quiet! She\u2019s boring!\u201d [Laughter] Am I allowed to say \u201cshut up\u201d on your radio? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No. No, you\u2019re not\u2014especially not at that because our listeners are going, \u201cOh, no! Keep reading! Keep reading!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, listen to David Suchet and then decide; because he\u2019s a master. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I love what you\u2019ve done. I, too, love to listen to you read. I\u2019ve got one that I want you to read, but we\u2019ll do that on a later broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just am listening here, Bob; and I am thinking, \u201cStories are how we break through into a child\u2019s soul.\u201d And Sally has really\u2014almost like a locksmith helps break into a safe or gets into a place that\u2019s difficult\u2014she will help parents, I think, and grandparents go some places with kids, with a profound imagination, that even the parents and the grandparents might travel along to those faraway places as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, and this is why I started by saying you\u2019ll want to get your credit card out on today\u2019s program because there are going to be a lot of moms and dads, and grandmas and grandpas, who are going to want to get\u2014in fact, what I would suggest you get is <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, together with the audio CD\u2014it\u2019s a read-along CD\u2014and the entire book animated on DVD. You can get all of that; and then, Sally has also written a book called <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got all of her resources in the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to order; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call us at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this issue of passing on spiritual truth to the next generation is at the heart of what we, as parents, understand our responsibility to be as we read the Scriptures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, our desire \/ our goal is to provide you with practical biblical encouragement, help, hope\u2014tools that you can use\u2014so that you can do what God has called us to do, as moms and dads. We want to see every home become a godly home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for those of you who share that vision with us\u2014those of you who support this ministry\u2014either as Legacy Partners, giving each month, or those of you who support us, from time to time, with a donation. We appreciate your partnership with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d if you\u2019re able to make a donation today by sending you a copy of a book that Barbara Rainey has written. It\u2019s a book of seven stories for families all around the subject of gratitude\u2014a great book to be reading at this time of year. It\u2019s called <em>Growing Together in Gratitude. <\/em>It\u2019s our thank-you gift to you when you make a donation today by going to FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tClick the button in the right-hand corner that says, \u201cI care\u201d; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk more about how we can take big complicated theological subjects and make them simple for kids. Sally Lloyd-Jones is going to join us again tomorrow. I hope you can be here as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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Lloyd-Jones recalls how her father sent her off to boarding school with the words of Joshua 1, \"Be strong and very courageous.\"","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-11-16.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sally Lloyd-Jones grew up hearing Bible stories; but by the time the stories were over, they didn\u2019t leave her comforted or encouraged. In fact, they made her wonder if God really loved her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I used to think I had to be as brave as Daniel and then God would love me; but I knew very well I wasn\u2019t nearly as brave as Daniel, and I wouldn\u2019t want to be thrown into a den of lions. I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, I don\u2019t believe in God,\u201d rather than be thrown\u2014so, I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It\u2019s, most of all, a story. It\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story, there is a baby; and every single story in the Bible whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 16<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. It is good to tell your children Bible stories, but it\u2019s even better if you can point them to Jesus in those stories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. I think I just need to say to the grandparents who are tuned in today: \u201cGo ahead and get your credit card out now,\u201d because, by the time we\u2019re done, you\u2019re going to want to go online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, and order multiple copies of what we\u2019re talking about to send to your grandkids this Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is really good stuff. We\u2019re going to be talking about <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. It\u2019s kind of subtitled here: <em>Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Isn\u2019t that great? I love that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love that. I do. It\u2019s an illustrated Bible that\u2019s going to help you communicate the truth about Jesus Christ to the next generation\u2014then, another book, <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>. Both of these are by Sally Lloyd-Jones. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I want to welcome Sally to our broadcast. Before she says, \u201cHello,\u201d I want to warn our listeners that Sally has a very thick accent. <br><br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s a lovely\u2014in fact, I\u2019m wishing that, with the book, you would come along and read the stories in your accent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> And now\u2014what if I put on a different accent and, then, threw you completely for the whole interview? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, you think you could fake Southern? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No; if I could, I would have tried. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally lives in New York City. She is a leading writer of inspirational books for children and just has a great heart of wanting to get the gospel, and the truth about God, to children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhy did you come to New York City from England? I mean, Wales is a beautiful place! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What were you thinking? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> What was I thinking? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cardiff by the sea\u2014you left it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, \u201cWow!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I was actually working in London. I thought, \u201cYou know\u201d\u2014I saw the job advertised. I was working in publishing because I was doing the classic thing of almost doing what I wanted; but I was on the wrong side of the desk\u2014I was an editor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI saw an ad; and I thought, \u201cOh, I could do that.\u201d But probably, like all Londoners, I thought: \u201cProbably, I shouldn\u2019t go to America for more than a year. That probably wouldn\u2019t be wise.\u201d So, I came; but that was back in 1989. So, that shows you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why do all Londoners think they shouldn\u2019t come to America for more than a year? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Probably because they think London is the center of the whole universe, like New Yorkers. So, I fitted in perfectly. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you live in New York City as such? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I do. I love it. Every day you come out of your door\u2014you don\u2019t know what\u2019s coming next. It\u2019s like an adventure. I love it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You came to New York in a publishing position; but behind the scenes, your heart\/ your desire was to write books; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I always had wanted to be a writer, but I suffered from the idea that that was just a dream; and \u201cI\u2019m just a child,\u201d and \u201cAnyway, I\u2019m English. You\u2019ve got to be realistic and financially responsible.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, as a child, I had read this book called <em>Edward Lear\u2019s<\/em> <em>The Complete Nonsense<\/em>, when I was about seven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It changed everything, because I didn\u2019t know you were allowed to have so much fun inside a book. He was doing drawings and funny rhymes. At seven, I didn\u2019t know better. So, I just kept making up rhymes, and doing drawings, and inflicting them on anyone I could get hold of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, if I would have known you\u2014if I\u2019d been going to school with you, at that time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019d have been known as a writer? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, making up stories. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Constantly dreaming? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, dreamy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Telling\u2014making people listen to your stories? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, making them laugh, being very dreamy\u2014terrible at math\u2014not doing very well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, what was your favorite story you wrote as a kid? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, I don\u2019t remember a single one. Well, except I think my favorite piece of writing was the one that the teacher\u2014you know, we all have a teacher that made all the difference. And I had a teacher called Mr. Dean. He was 26\u2014tall, dark, and handsome. He told a nine-year-old that she could write. And the piece of writing that he loved was about going on the train and saying goodbye to my mother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019ve always remembered that because it was seared into my mind because he believed in me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, even though I grew up thinking, \u201cI can\u2019t really have my dream,\u201d there was another side, deeper down, where I thought, \u201cYes, but Mr. Dean said I could write.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just one person\u2019s belief can make a huge difference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, amazing. I mean, I also had my mother telling me that; but of course, somehow, you think, \u201cWell, they <em>have<\/em> to tell you that because they <em>have<\/em> to love you because they\u2019re your mum.\u201d So, something about a teacher\u2014I have a huge respect for them. My sister is a teacher, and it\u2019s an incredible gift. I\u2019m just sad they don\u2019t get paid more and recognized more because they are so\u2014it\u2019s such a gift. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve got to ask you this question, right off the start. I usually save this question for the end of the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Uh-oh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Truthfully, I\u2019ve asked it of several women; but generally, it\u2019s a question that I\u2019m known to ask of men. But here is a young lady\u2014you\u2019re single. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You left London to come live in Big City\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I mean, \u201cHello!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> London is a pretty big city too. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, it is; but it\u2019s a foreign city. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay; alright. The question is this, Sally: \u201cWhat is <em>the<\/em> most courageous thing you have ever done?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I think when I went to boarding school, when I was eight. I didn\u2019t have a choice; but I think that\u2019s probably God equipping me, I think, for the life He was calling me to. But I remember my dad giving me Joshua 1. So there I was, eight years old, being told: \u201cBe strong and very courageous,\u201d and \u201ceverywhere you step\u2014that your foot steps on\u2014every piece of ground\u2026\u201d\u2014so, I had this kind of heroic vision that my dad gave me. We knelt by the bed together before I went to school. I was terrified, and it made me ill. I mean, the first night I was sort of just terribly frightened; but I also knew God was going ahead of me and calling me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I look back on that verse; and it\u2019s been true of my whole life. And I feel like that was a terrifying thing, as an eight year old; and God was faithful. So, coming to America\u2014that\u2019s kind of terrifying me right now to think if I\u2019d have to do that now\u2014but at the time, it didn\u2019t feel scary because I kind of knew\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was consistent with your life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, He kind of trained me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I feel like I\u2019ve always been more at home away from home\u2014feeling like my life is an adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But your dad <em>pushed<\/em> you out of the nest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, boarding schools\u2014to most Americans are\u2014we don\u2019t really have an understanding what that looks like. How many years did you go to that boarding school? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I went, basically, from eight to eighteen. So, I was out of the house from eight; but the reason I went was because we were living in Africa. I\u2019d gone to the international school; but\u2014because I was this child that was dreamy, and in-the-clouds, and all that\u2014I wasn\u2019t thriving in this international school. My parents were faced with this awful, impossible decision: \u201cWere they going to let me stay in this school and not thrive?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, they knew, when they came back to England, I would really be in trouble because I already had this idea that I wasn\u2019t clever. So, they could see the trajectory if they left me in that school. Then, they realized that the best kind of education I could get would be at boarding school. So, it sounds really horrible, and it was traumatic for me; but the school was so amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that school that this teacher was. Those years\u2014from eight to twelve, especially\u2014that was the school\u2014my prep school. It was in an old manor house. Actually, it was in the Jacobean mansion rumored to be Thomas Hardy\u2019s <em>Tess of the D\u2019Urberville<\/em>\u2019s Bram Hurst Court. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ohhh! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> But that\u2019s not the worst bit. It was\u2014I love telling people this\u2014it\u2019s so horribly ghoulish! [Laughter]\u2014but it was the house owned by the last woman beheaded in England\u2014Dame Alice Lisle. She was executed by Judge Jeffreys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know that, at age nine or ten? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I loved it! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you think you would be writing today? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know. I don\u2019t think so. I actually think, because those years are so vivid in my head\u2014any friend, you ask, of mine, will tell you I\u2019m forgetting things all the time\u2014but my childhood is extremely vivid. I think, maybe, I\u2019d be writing; but maybe, I wouldn\u2019t be writing children\u2019s books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I think about our approach to raising kids. It typically is\u2014we\u2019re trying to deliver comfort. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019re trying to protect, at every turn. Yet, it\u2019s kind of a \u201cWow!\u201d to me that your dad had the vision for you, and recognized your talent, and did something that had to be extremely hard on him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I think my parents suffered more than I did because they didn\u2019t\u2014you know, when they told me\u2014I can remember\u2014I was sitting at the breakfast table of our colonial home in Freetown, Sierra Leone. The fan was going above my head, and my bare feet were swinging in the heat. My parents said to me, \u201cWe have to send you away.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking\u2014because I was seven, I thought\u2014and I\u2019m the eldest\u2014so, I thought: \u201cOh! Maybe, everyone, at seven, gets sent away.\u201d Then, I thought, \u201cMaybe, I have an older sister,\u201d because I really wanted an older sister. I didn\u2019t like being the older\u2014because I was a dreamy, head-in-the-clouds\u2014I wasn\u2019t really a good older sister.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I said to my parents: \u201cOh! Did you have any other children that went away?\u201d because they never said I was coming back. I told that to a friend of mine, who is a writer. His take was, \u201cYou were already making up stories to make it work in your head.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You don\u2019t realize this, but there are some moms and some dads, who are listening to your story right now, and their hearts are soaring with hope because they are raising a child who may be a dreamer. Dreamy heads\u2014you\u2019ve mentioned that phrase at least six times, here, in less than ten minutes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> God built you in such a way that you had gifts and talents that were expressing themselves. Today, you\u2019ve had an impact upon a lot of children\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, I\u2019m very grateful because, whenever I come across a child that\u2019s not thriving at school, my heart goes out to them because I know\u2014and I have a nephew like this. I\u2019m always telling him: \u201cYou just don\u2019t learn the way that they know how to teach; but you\u2019re going to be someone who is amazing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou\u2019re going to soar, and you\u2019re going to have something so specific to what you can do.\u201d But, then, I\u2019m his aunt, so I have to say that. So he doesn\u2019t really believe me. [Laughter] But I really believe it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were there times in your life when your dreamy-headedness was a frustration?\u2014when you wished you weren\u2019t as dreamy as you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, yes, because, you know, I have a sister who\u2019s not like that. I kind of think I abdicated. She became the older sister and I just\u2014this was inspiration for one of my books\u2014I wrote up a book called <em>How to be a Baby, by Me, the Big Sister.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re talking today to Sally Lloyd-Jones, who\u2019s the author of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible <\/em>for kids<em>.<\/em> I want to know how you made the transition from being on one side of the desk, at the publishing office, to the other. And was it always in the direction of children\u2019s stories, or did you start off, fancying yourself as the great\u2014not the great American novelist\u2014the great British novelist? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I was either going to be an actor or a writer. I wanted to prepare for my careers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew, as a child, that you\u2019re famous\u2014if you are either of those, you are famous. And then, I thought\u2014and this is funny because here we are\u2014\u201cWell, what happens when you\u2019re famous is\u2014you get interviewed on the radio.\u201d So, I\u2014this is why I\u2019m so good at interviews. I would practice, under the sheets in my bed, when I was eight, my interviews\u2014but because I didn\u2019t know what I\u2019d done\u2014so, I couldn\u2019t say. All I could practice were the in-between bits like: \u201cOh, that\u2019s so interesting you would ask that. Ha. Ha. Ha. Yes.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd do special interview laughing. [Laughter] Anyway, that was what I was doing at eight. It\u2019s quite funny to tell you this while we sit here. So, to answer your question, properly\u2014I made the transition because I got laid off, really; but I started off in school textbooks at Oxford University Press in Oxford. That was my first job, and I loved it. I was trained really well, and it was just a great experience. But down the corridor, came all this laughter; and that was the children\u2019s picture book department. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI decided there, \u201cOkay, that\u2019s where I want to work because they are having all the fun.\u201d But I didn\u2019t think I could write picture books because I wasn\u2019t good enough and all that stuff. So, I kept working in editing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I came to America; and I was working\u2014and it was always in children\u2019s books. Then, they started not being able to afford to pay the writers because I worked on books that could flap, and squeak, and tick, and bounce. It never really mattered to them what the content was. But I always thought, \u201cWell, why don\u2019t you make it good quality?\u201d So, I would end up writing the books, without meaning to, because they had no budget. So, I kind of started writing these kinds of books on the side\u2014you know, just as part of my job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, they didn\u2019t have a Christian message\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> No\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014at all? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> \u2014because my whole vision was\u2014I was brought up in a Christian home \/ had grown up in the church. I didn\u2019t really want to just stay in the church. I wanted to get my training in the general market and get the best training I could get. So, I had this plan: \u201cI\u2019m going to work in a general publisher.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I come to America. I\u2019m working in a general publisher, and they know I\u2019m a Christian. Suddenly, they start giving me Bible books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod\u2019s sense of humor was wonderful because I had decided I wasn\u2019t going to work in Christian books \/ I was going to work in general books, but I got the best combination of both. I became the publisher of the Christian children\u2019s book line. It combined my two passions, you know, of writing and my faith. So, it was a wonderful combination. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, were you at home, in the evening, writing out your own stories? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> I didn\u2019t know it was children\u2019s books. I was doing like vignettes to use in church\u2014like dramas\u2014because I loved acting. The pastor would use it in the sermon. So, I\u2019d be doing that kind of writing. But when my nephew came along\u2014when he was born\u2014suddenly, when I was working on these books at this publishing company\u2014I suddenly had a real child to write for. When I\u2019d be working on a Bible story book, I\u2019d be thinking: \u201cWell, what would Harry\u2014how would I say it to him? He\u2019s not going to understand sin. I can\u2019t just say, \u2018sin.\u2019 He\u2019s not going to know anything about that.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it forced me\u2014and it became a great training. I started to think of a real child\u2014talking\u2014just talking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy writing started to change, where it became not sounding like writing. And I love what Elmore Leonard said\u2014he said, \u201cIf it sounds like writing, I rewrite it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It shouldn\u2019t sound like writing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you explain to a four-year-old about sin, how do you explain it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, I think you have to have lots of different ways; but one of the best ways, I think, is running away, and hiding, and thinking you can be happy without God. That\u2019s one way. Another way is to think of sin is like poison that makes your heart sick\u2014so that it doesn\u2019t work properly anymore. It\u2019s thinking that you can be happy without God, but God knows there is no such thing. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it\u2019s all about making it relational. The danger I see in some Bible story books is that it is made only about the rules; but we all know, if it\u2019s about the rules, our hearts are hard. Rules make us want to rebel, but if you hear that sin is actually breaking God\u2019s heart, then, a child responds to that because they don\u2019t want to break someone\u2019s heart who loves them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s talk about both of these books. I just want you to give our listeners just a real quick synopsis of what each of these is about. First of all, <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible: Every Story Whispers His Name<\/em>\u2014this is a story book, along with a DVD. What\u2019s this about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It\u2019s really telling the great story underneath all the stories of the Bible because, when I grew up, I thought the Bible was about me and what I\u2019m supposed to be doing so God would love me. I thought it was a book of rules that you had to keep; and then, God would be pleased with you and love you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr else, it was a book of heroes you are supposed to copy. I used to think I had to be as brave as Daniel and then, God would love me. But I knew very well that I wasn\u2019t nearly as brave as Daniel, and I wouldn\u2019t want to be thrown into a den of lions; and I\u2019d say, \u201cNo, I don\u2019t believe in God,\u201d rather than be thrown. So, I thought: \u201cHow can God be pleased with me? He can\u2019t.\u201d So, this book came out of that because the Bible isn\u2019t a book of rules or a book of heroes. It\u2019s, most of all, a story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the story of how God loves His children and comes to rescue them. At the center of the story, there is a baby; and every single story in the Bible whispers His name. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where had you learned that? Because I don\u2019t think it\u2019s common for kids to grow up thinking that every story in the Bible points to Jesus. Where did that idea come to you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> It came because I worked\u2014you know, I\u2019m in New York. I came to New York around the time that Tim Keller came to New York, and I belong to his church. So, over the years, I say to people\u2014they say to me, \u201cWell, what\u2019s your theological training?\u201d I say: \u201cWell, I\u2019ve read John Stott, Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones. I\u2019ve had the best training. But I also think I\u2019ve been to Tim Keller University by listening to his sermons, week after week, and hearing grace, every single Sunday.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn every single sermon, there is a point in the sermon where it all seems hopeless. You could leave\u2014a lot of people would leave the sermon there\u2014where you are left trying harder\u2014which is how I grew up, as a child\u2014but it always turns, and as every sermon should. It turns and points to Jesus because He\u2019s the only hope we have. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you realize that, then the Bible is transformed into this incredible hope-filled book. I wanted children to know that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sally, that\u2019s a good description of <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>. This other one\u2014<em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>\u2014what\u2019s that all about?\u2014because it\u2019s actually illustrated by a young man who is out in Cornwall in England\u2014Jago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes, Jago. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Share with our listeners what this is about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> This book was inspired by my niece, who went from being a very vivacious little girl of about eight, at the time\u2014and she would kind of walk through her life, singing the soundtrack for her own life kind of thing. She went\u2014almost overnight\u2014she turned into someone who you could hardly hear speak. Her voice was very, very hidden away. We, then, found out she\u2019d been bullied at school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater, when she was better, I said to her, \u201cWhy did you go like that?\u201d She said these words that I won\u2019t ever forget. She said, \u201cI thought if I stopped being me, I wouldn\u2019t get in trouble.\u201d It broke my heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we are grown-up\u2014before we go into a scary meeting, we\u2019ll read our devotions. We\u2019ll have something. We know where to go to get comfort; but when I asked my niece what she was doing, she showed me all these kind of awful sort of work-like things to fill in the blanks. I thought, \u201cHow is that going to help her when she\u2019s got to face the scary bullies?\u201d I thought, \u201cI wish she had a book that told her what God says about her instead of what the bullies say.\u201d And that\u2019s where this book came from. It\u2019s a book of hope for children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Which one of these\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, I picked out one for her to read. Can I do this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. I was going to have her read one. I was going to have her pick her favorite, but we\u2019ll do that later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Each of these is about a page long\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014not very long. There is a passage from the Bible that\u2019s included, but I want you to read <em>Winkie<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Okay. I love <em>Winkie<\/em>. <em>Winkie<\/em>: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring World War II, a damaged plane crashed into the sea. The crew had no way to radio for help; but they had a vital piece of equipment, a pigeon named Winkie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWinkie flew all the way home to the base, all 129 miles, alerting rescuers and saving the entire crew. She was awarded a special medal for her heroism. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHowever far away they are, birds can find their way home again, and again, and again; but not God\u2019s children. God\u2019s children aren\u2019t homesick for Him. God is our true home. Away from Him, we are lost. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre you far away today? Be like Winkie. The minute you realize you\u2019ve gone off course, head home: \u201cO, return to Me, for I have paid the price to set you free.\u201d Isaiah 44:22\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You see, I don\u2019t just want a copy of the book. I want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014her voice. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want Sally to come along and read it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Read it all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Is there an audio book for this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Yes. And we have\u2014if you\u2019ve ever come across <em>Poirot<\/em>, we have David Suchet reading, who\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want David Suchet\u2014I want you! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Oh, you\u2019re so nice. Well, I think the thing is I\u2019m good for about two or three.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut after about ten, you might be like: \u201cOh, shut up! Be quiet! She\u2019s boring!\u201d [Laughter] Am I allowed to say \u201cshut up\u201d on your radio? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No. No, you\u2019re not\u2014especially not at that because our listeners are going, \u201cOh, no! Keep reading! Keep reading!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Sally:<\/strong> Well, listen to David Suchet and then decide; because he\u2019s a master. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Well, I love what you\u2019ve done. I, too, love to listen to you read. I\u2019ve got one that I want you to read, but we\u2019ll do that on a later broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just am listening here, Bob; and I am thinking, \u201cStories are how we break through into a child\u2019s soul.\u201d And Sally has really\u2014almost like a locksmith helps break into a safe or gets into a place that\u2019s difficult\u2014she will help parents, I think, and grandparents go some places with kids, with a profound imagination, that even the parents and the grandparents might travel along to those faraway places as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, and this is why I started by saying you\u2019ll want to get your credit card out on today\u2019s program because there are going to be a lot of moms and dads, and grandmas and grandpas, who are going to want to get\u2014in fact, what I would suggest you get is <em>The Jesus Storybook Bible<\/em>, together with the audio CD\u2014it\u2019s a read-along CD\u2014and the entire book animated on DVD. You can get all of that; and then, Sally has also written a book called <em>Thoughts to Make Your Heart Sing<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got all of her resources in the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. Go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to order; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call us at 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, this issue of passing on spiritual truth to the next generation is at the heart of what we, as parents, understand our responsibility to be as we read the Scriptures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere, at FamilyLife, our desire \/ our goal is to provide you with practical biblical encouragement, help, hope\u2014tools that you can use\u2014so that you can do what God has called us to do, as moms and dads. We want to see every home become a godly home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re grateful for those of you who share that vision with us\u2014those of you who support this ministry\u2014either as Legacy Partners, giving each month, or those of you who support us, from time to time, with a donation. We appreciate your partnership with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d if you\u2019re able to make a donation today by sending you a copy of a book that Barbara Rainey has written. It\u2019s a book of seven stories for families all around the subject of gratitude\u2014a great book to be reading at this time of year. It\u2019s called <em>Growing Together in Gratitude. <\/em>It\u2019s our thank-you gift to you when you make a donation today by going to FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tClick the button in the right-hand corner that says, \u201cI care\u201d; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. Or you can mail your donation to us at <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we want to talk more about how we can take big complicated theological subjects and make them simple for kids. Sally Lloyd-Jones is going to join us again tomorrow. I hope you can be here as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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