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Greear explains the difference between the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which occurs at baptism and the filling of the Holy Spirit which can occur repeatedly in a believer's life.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-06-12.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How is the Holy Spirit at work in our marriage?\u00a0 Here\u2019s Pastor J.D. Greear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>J.D: <\/strong>We understand that the Holy Spirit\u2019s primary purpose in our lives is to make us more like Christ. For both of us, one of the most effective tools that He has used \/ earthly tools in our lives has been our marriage because that\u2019s revealed to us where we are not like Him, and then, used that hammer to shape us \/ reshape us so that we become more like Him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, June 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019ll talk today about your marriage and the Holy Spirit\u2014how the two go together. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, I think a lot of people are confused about how to\u2014or whether they even should\u2014be pursuing the work of the Spirit in their life. Is God\u2019s gift of the Spirit to us something that He\u2019s given to us that is going to function kind of on autopilot\u2014we just let it happen when it happens?\u00a0 Or should we be seeking the work of the Spirit more and more in our lives?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got an opinion about that, but I know for sure our guest does because he\u2019s put his opinion between two covers\u2014it\u2019s the book, <em>Jesus Continued\u2026: Why the Spirit Inside You Is Better than Jesus Beside You<\/em>. J.D. Greear joins us again. Welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Thank you. Thanks for having me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s a pastor in Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina. He has four children\u2014been married since 2000. Answer Bob\u2019s question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes, the Spirit of God is so indispensable to the Christian life that Jesus told us it would be to our advantage for Him to go away if it meant we would receive the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally, the whole book is me exploring, \u201cWhat does that promise mean?\u201d\u00a0 I know that it might be mysterious; but there was something that was so crucial that, if we could choose Jesus beside us or the Spirit inside us, we would hit the Spirit inside of us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, when I became a Christian, I was baptized into the body of Christ\u2014baptized into the Spirit is the way the Bible describes it; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That means I\u2019m immersed in what the Spirit is doing in the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. Let me just ask you something at that point, Bob. How much of that did you know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, the day I became a Christian, it was immediately\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Instantly?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The answer is: \u201cYou didn\u2019t know any of that.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No idea what was going on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, it\u2019s a lot like being born into a family\u2014at that point, did you know your identity?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Did you know your heritage?\u2014where you came from and where you were headed and the family you were born into?\u00a0 No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, I\u2019m tossed into the pool where the Spirit is at work. In addition, I am indwelt with the Spirit\u2014the Spirit is now with me \/ alongside of me\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014so, I\u2019m both baptized, and I\u2019m indwelt. The Bible also talks about being <em>filled<\/em> with the Spirit, but that\u2019s different than the baptism or the indwelling; isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes, that is\u2014I mean\u2014you don\u2019t want to get too caught up in all the different words; but, when the Bible says, \u201cbaptism,\u201d it\u2019s talking about a one-time event, where the Spirit of God places you into the body of Christ\u20141 Corinthians 12:13: \u201cBy one Spirit, we were all baptized into one body.\u201d\u00a0 The filling seems to occur repeatedly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we see references to the early church being filled with the Spirit in Acts 4. It doesn\u2019t mean they didn\u2019t have Him before. It just meant that they become more aware of His presence. Anybody who has walked with God for any length of time realizes there are times when the Spirit of God makes certain truths of Scripture or the love of God just come alive to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe way\u2014I think Paul probably defined it best in Ephesians 3, when he prayed for the Ephesian believers\u2014that they would know how wide, and how high, and how long, and how deep was the love of God for them in the gospel. He said, \u201cbecause, then, you will be filled with all the fullness of God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDepth in understanding of the love of God for you is what gives you the sense of the presence of God inside of you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He went on to say in Ephesians that, when you are filled with the Spirit, He controls your behavior\u2014not like a puppet and a puppet master\u2014but what you do are the things that you are prompted by the Spirit to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. You know, the Spirit of God changes your character\u2014makes you more like Christ\u2014that\u2019s Him taking the Word of God and reshaping your heart into the character of God; but then, there are certain applications. You know, we see Paul, for example\u2014being told to go in one place, in Acts 16, and not in another, even though he wanted to go a different direction. Nehemiah\u2014Nehemiah says that God put it on his heart to rebuild the walls in Jerusalem. There is never a verbal command that\u2019s given in Nehemiah\u2014it\u2019s just a passion that God gave him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou wonder: \u201cHow many listeners are there that there is a particular passion for some part of the ministry that God has given to them?\u201d\u2014He is saying: \u201cThis people group,\u201d or \u201cThis career field,\u201d or \u201cThis person is somebody that I want you to reach out to.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You go back to the New Testament and the words of Christ\u2014who basically, in a paradoxical way, made an interesting statement\u2014He said, \u201cIf you, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more is your Heavenly Father\u201d\u2014and implied is: \u201cwho is good, not evil\u201d\u2014\u201cable to give the Holy Spirit to those who seek Him.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes, you know, it\u2019s\u2014you wonder why He used the word, \u201cevil,\u201d in that context. Was that just a gratuitous insult?\u2014you know like: \u201cHey, just wanted to remind you of your depravity.\u201d\u00a0 I think the reason is because most of us, when we are parents, feel like we are being at our most loving when we are dealing with our kids\u2014He said, \u201cEven in that moment, when you are at your most-loving, compared to your Heavenly Father, you\u2019re evil.\u201d He says: \u201cWell, if you parents\u2014if your kids ask you for a chicken nugget, you\u2019re not going to be like, \u2018No chicken nuggets, but here\u2019s a cobra to play with.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe says, \u201cIf you wouldn\u2019t do that, and you are evil, imagine what the perfect Heavenly Father\u2014of course, He\u2019s not going to withhold the Holy Spirit from you,\u201d which is the <em>one<\/em> thing you absolutely need to do anything of significance in the Christian life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you talk about how we need to be seeking the power of the Holy Spirit. Are you talking about seeking the filling of the Holy Spirit?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Absolutely; I\u2019m talking about seeking His presence more inside of me because I need\u2014as a dad \/ as a man\u2014I need to sense His love \/ His presence. He needs to grow larger in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI need the fullness of the Spirit in parenting. I need to be able to instruct my children \/ love my children, not with the powers of the flesh but with the Spirit. I need the fullness of the Spirit, as a pastor, when I am explaining the Word of God to people, whether I am sitting next to them on an airplane or whether I am standing up in a pulpit. I don\u2019t want to do anything apart from that power. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, have you had some of your Baptist friends read your book and go, \u201cYou\u2019re going a little \u2018Bapticostal\u2019 on us, J.D.\u201d?\u00a0 Have you had that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>You know, yes, certainly; but really, when you get into the Scripture\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bapticostal?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve heard that before; haven\u2019t you?\u2014Bapticostal. Sure. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>A lot of these things Christians believe\u2014I say this at the beginning of the book\u2014is you can get really quagmired really quickly into these things that really are secondary or even third level. They have their place. We need to talk about whether\u2014what the role of tongues is and\u2014but the real issue is\u2014God wanted to be a living, moving, dynamic presence among His people. I don\u2019t know any Bible-loving Christian that would not agree to that. So, what does that look like?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, what does it look like for a husband and a wife to walk in the power of the Holy Spirit?\u2014to be seeking His filling, day-in and day-out, in the most intimate of all relationships, where two imperfect people live with each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Well, I think we\u2019re on good footing here because, as you mentioned, the marriage is supposed to be the representation of the gospel \/ the Trinity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe would expect that the Holy Spirit would <em>love<\/em> to create in us the image of Jesus\u2014that\u2019s what He loves to do\u2014is direct us toward Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me and my wife to be filled with the Spirit, in relation to each other, means that almost daily I\u2019m asking: \u201cWhere is my relationship with my wife? Where does it not resemble the love of Christ for the church?\u201d\u00a0 For her\u2014she\u2019s got the questions that she needs to ask. Asking God: \u201cWill You make me like You?\u00a0 Will You make me love her to the point that I\u2019ll lay down my life for her the way that Christ was with the church?\u201d\u00a0 It means that we are sensitive to how the Holy Spirit is pointing out sin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI, very quickly, become numb to my sin against her. A lot of times, I won\u2019t listen to her pointing those things out to me; and if I close myself off to the Holy Spirit, I\u2019m cutting myself off from the source of life in our marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Need to listen to your wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I\u2019ve used this illustration a couple of times, recently; but it\u2019s good for humility, here on the national radio, to admit this. I had spoken rashly to my wife; and the Holy Spirit said, \u201cYou need to go ask her forgiveness,\u201d\u2014to which I responded: \u201cI don\u2019t want to. You know, in this situation, I was mostly right.\u201d\u00a0 And the Holy Spirit said, \u201cI think your judgment of what\u2019s mostly right is mostly wrong is a little tarnished at this point.\u201d\u00a0 And I had to go and look my wife in the eyes and say, \u201cYou know\u2014I\u2019m sorry.\u201d It wasn\u2019t long\u2014it wasn\u2019t like it was a couple of months later\u2014it was a few hours later, but I went and asked her forgiveness. To which, she was very grace-filled in her response to me as I came and apologized and asked her to forgive me for what I had done specifically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I don\u2019t want to get legalistic about this; but I think, when men or women hurt one another, they need to be specific and admit\u2014go ahead and admit what they have done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there is something about us, men, where it gets caught just a few inches south of the Adam\u2019s apple\u2014it\u2019s called pride, where we don\u2019t want to admit, specifically\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You mean\u2014name it, specifically. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I mean\u2014yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Say the words. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cI was angry when I said this to you, and I am sorry. Will you forgive me?\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry I hurt you.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>You think about how many times we quench the Holy Spirit through our relationship with our spouse. That\u2019s Paul\u2019s command\u2014\u201cDo not quench the Spirit.\u201d\u00a0 I tend to think that my sin against my wife: \u201cIt\u2019s not that bad. It\u2019s not harming anything.\u201d\u00a0 God says, \u201cI am putting out the fire,\u201d\u2014the life-giving fire \/ the warmth of the Holy Spirit in my marriage when I have unconfessed sin \/ when I will not acknowledge my wrong to her. I\u2019m literally pouring water on the flame that keeps our marriage alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s just have a little confession here. I\u2019ve shared my story. Bob, you\u2019ve got a story recently from you and Mary Ann?\u00a0 And then, it\u2019s coming to you, in a second, J.D. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re the one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Let me text my wife real quick and see\u2014she\u2019ll give about ten answers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know that there is necessarily a conviction of sin story that jumps to mind; but when I think about just walking in the power of the Holy Spirit\u2014you\u2019ve mentioned this already, J.D.\u2014it\u2019s the whole idea of being sensitive to the needs of another person and how I can serve those needs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not naturally a morning person; okay?\u00a0 Dennis can attest to this\u2014he\u2019s seen me enough mornings, here at the office, where\u2014I like to say I get to work at about 8:30 \/ I\u2019d wake up about 10. So, there\u2019s this gap in here between where I\u2019m functional. Well, what that means, around the house, is that when I wake up in the morning, that\u2019s not the most relational time of the day for me. Now, it\u2019s pretty easy for me to just go: \u201cLook, that\u2019s the way I am; okay?\u00a0 So, don\u2019t expect me to be relational, first thing in the morning.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, there were a couple of days, recently, that were very busy; and what it meant was\u2014in the evening, where Mary Ann and I usually have time to spend time together \/ be relational\u2014we just weren\u2019t together. She was at the women\u2019s Bible study one night \/ I was at a meeting the other night\u2014we just kind of missed each other. Well, that meant: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I need to figure out how I can be relational in the morning,\u201d\u2014first, because I missed the time with my wife; but secondly, because she\u2019s missing that. She has a need\u2014I need to be sensitive to that. I had the Holy Spirit tap me on the shoulder and say, \u201cThat\u2019s something\u2014don\u2019t just say, \u2018Well, I\u2019m tired, and we\u2019ll get to this later.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What you are hearing there is a teachable spirit\u2014being willing to hear when it\u2019s being pointed out in your heart by Almighty God: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I think you need to correct something here.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat about you, J.D.?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>You actually took the words right out of my mouth. I was going to say that no one understands my sinfulness other than the Holy Spirit\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014and maybe me\u2014more than my wife does. Yet, I know that\u2014whenever she point out: \u201cYou know, I think you might be being self-centered here,\u201d \u201cI think you might be\u2014you\u2019re not giving this person the benefit of the doubt,\u201d I always\u2014my initial reaction\u2014is to resist it because I\u2019m just proud with her\u2014I don\u2019t want to acknowledge it. I realize that, in that moment, I\u2019m actually not just resisting her\u2014I\u2019m resisting the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m not saying everything my wife says is from the Holy Spirit, but what is happening is\u2014my sin is being exposed. Rather than confessing my sin and receiving forgiveness, I puff myself up with pride; and I quench the Holy Spirit\u2019s activity in my life in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Is your wife busy right now?\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 No; is she?\u00a0 You think she\u2019d be available for a phone call\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>She probably would be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to just get an eyewitness to what you\u2019re talking about here?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He\u2019s serious. So, you better\u2014if you\u2019re here to protect your wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Do you have a three-hour program?\u2014because she might keep going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, let\u2019s give her a call. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I think we can get her on the line. Let\u2019s see if\u2014it\u2019s ringing. Veronica?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Yes?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s Bob Lepine from <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Hi. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>She sounds thrilled to hear from me, Dennis. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Hi, Veronica!\u00a0 This is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Hi. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014Dennis Rainey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>I left her at home with four kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, I understand. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I just wanted to call you because your husband is here in the studio\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Hey, babe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Hey, babe. How are you?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and he\u2019s written a book, as you know, about the Holy Spirit\u2019s work in his life. We just, frankly\u2014we just are looking for a little authentication here\u2014an eyewitness\u2014who can tell us that the Holy Spirit is at work in her husband\u2019s life. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Oh, yes. I got you!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay. How have you seen, in your 15 years together\u2014how have you seen your husband change because of the work of the Holy Spirit in his heart?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Oh, man!\u00a0 I mean, you know, I think\u2014when I think about it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014since I\u2019ve lived with him, day-in and day-out, I think of it in tangible small things. I think after years of being married, I see that he\u2019s much more sensitive to what I might need in a situation or what I might want. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think, for us, having kids was the best thing for our marriage. I think for some people it doesn\u2019t work that way, but seeing him just becoming really tuned in to what was going on when he didn\u2019t necessarily have to be \/ it wasn\u2019t required, that\u2019s probably the biggest way. Then, he tries to adapt to it\u2014he tries to come around and meet those needs where he can. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Veronica, he said the first couple of years of marriage were kind of rocky for you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Was it\u2014you both\u2014you loved Jesus \/ you both were committed to Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>What was the problem?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Well, I think it was sort of a blindside for me since that\u2019s kind of what I went into it thinking\u2014I mean: \u201cHe loves God. I love God. Surely, we\u2019ll be happily married.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I think, for him\u2014he says something different than I\u2019d say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>I told them it was all your fault. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Okay, well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, he didn\u2019t do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you\u2019re saying you had an expectation that there would not be marital conflict\u2014that there\u2019d not be disagreements\u2014you guys would just be on the same page and would\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014smile at each other?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>I thought I was really fine, and I thought he would be having a great time with me. We would just be dancing through the meadows. So, when he was disappointed with me and he was let down, I was devastated. I really had this idol of him being pleased with me and happy with me. I could not handle it when he wasn\u2019t, and there were lots of times that he wasn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>And the Holy Spirit had to show me that there was a very self-centered nature that I carried into our marriage\u2014which I thought\u2014but when I was single, it was like, \u201cI live for me.\u201d\u00a0 Then, now, that I was married\u2014now, I\u2019ve got two people to live for me; and: \u201cYou\u2019re here to make me happy too.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t that she was failing\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014it\u2019s that I had entered marriage with focus on self, as opposed to the way Christ entered a relationship with the church, which is on the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, but don\u2019t we all enter into marriage focused on self?\u00a0 I was just with a newly-married couple this past weekend. I said, \u201cWell, what\u2019s been the biggest lesson you\u2019ve learned in the first six months of your marriage?\u201d\u00a0 And the guy said, \u201cDeath to self.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cIt is daily funerals,\u201d he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to go to daily funerals, putting myself to death.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre you saying, then, Veronica, that J.D. didn\u2019t dance through the fields?\u00a0 He kind of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Meadows\u2014it was the meadows. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>In the meadows. He stomped off through the meadows?\u00a0 Was that what you were saying?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>I mean, I think I was in a meadow; and I don\u2019t know where he was!\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 We weren\u2019t dancing in the meadows at first. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>J.D., one of the things God gives us the Holy Spirit for is to wean us from our addiction to self; don\u2019t you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes; absolutely. Whenever the Holy Spirit comes, the focus is never on you and it\u2019s never on the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s always on Christ; and then, by extension, His people\u2014others. The sure sign that somebody is not filled with the Holy Spirit, regardless of what they say, is when the attention is on anything but Jesus and the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, Veronica, in your life, what would you say has been the biggest work of the Holy Spirit or a major work of the Holy Spirit in your 15 years of marriage?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Oh, I think I would say\u2014it sounds funny, but it wasn\u2019t that funny at the time\u2014that I thought I was\u2014I just thought I was a picnic; you know?\u00a0 I couldn\u2019t understand why he wasn\u2019t thinking I was a picnic. So, I think the Holy Spirit has just continued, and continued, and continued to show me what\u2019s really wrong with me \/ what\u2019s really going on deep down and that He really had to go pretty far to save me. That\u2019s, I think, the thing for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>You know, but I think both of us say that we understand the Holy Spirit\u2019s primary purpose in our lives is to make us more like Christ. For both of us, one of the primary, most effective tools that He has used \/ earthly tools in our lives has been our marriage because that\u2019s revealed to us where we are not like Him, and then, used that hammer to shape us \/ reshape us so that we become more like Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I can assure you\u2014Barbara and I have been married 42 years. We\u2019re still under construction\u2014the Holy Spirit is still at work. And just to your point, Veronica\u2014to put a double underline underneath what you just said\u2014there are certain issues I\u2019m sorry He\u2019s still at work at in my life and Barbara\u2019s life, but the key thing is we see Him at work\u2014He has not given up on us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Veronica: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And stop and think how horrible J.D. would be if he hadn\u2019t married you 15 years ago. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>That\u2019s a dark road you don\u2019t want to go down. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You are a good sport to allow us to interrupt your afternoon, and thanks for being on the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Veronica: <\/strong>I will. Thanks so much. I enjoyed it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>She wasn\u2019t expecting her call at all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>She wasn\u2019t. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But it\u2019s real family life. It\u2019s where all of us live, and it\u2019s not some pie-in-the-sky theology. This is gritty stuff\u2014living out the Christian life in this most intimate of all relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And don\u2019t you think it\u2019s fair to say\u2014\u201cIf we want to look at our own marriages and families and say: \u2018Is the Holy Spirit present here?\u00a0 Is He working here?\u00a0 Is He active here?\u2019\u2014we can say, \u2018Is there love?\u00a0 Is there joy?\u00a0 Is there peace?\u00a0 Is there patience?\u2019\u201d\u00a0 I mean, you know the list I\u2019m referring to\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>I do know that list. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014Galatians, Chapter 5\u2014the fruit of the Spirit,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014not just in our lives, but in our relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>Yes, I think of the words, as you\u2019re talking, of Robert Murray M\u2019Cheyne who says: \u201cThat man is a hypocrite who is a Christian everywhere except for home.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>And if that\u2019s true, then, you think about the primary theater\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014the primary theater for the Holy Spirit to do His work is, not from the pulpit or from the choir loft\u2014the primary place is in the home and in those relationships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And your children are getting their picture of what real Christianity truly is from you, as a couple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJ.D., thanks for your work on this book and for calling all of us, really, back to a biblical anchoring and belief about the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. I appreciate you and hope you\u2019ll come back and join us again sometime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>J.D: <\/strong>I would be honored to. Thank you for having me, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I hope our listeners will get a copy of the book you\u2019ve written called <em>Jesus Continued\u2026: Why the Spirit Inside You Is Better than Jesus Beside You<\/em>. It\u2019s available in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center, which you will find online at FamilyLifeToday.com. When you get there, click the link in the upper left-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d\u00a0 Right there is where you\u2019ll see J.D.\u2019s book, <em>Jesus Continued\u2026;<\/em> and you can order it from us online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com. 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