{"id":303509,"date":"2015-05-26T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-05-26T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith\/"},"modified":"2015-05-26T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-05-26T15:00:00","slug":"what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith\/","title":{"rendered":"What Does it Mean to Have Faith?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Brothers Ryan and Josh Shook talk about their years of spiritual struggle, and their crisis of faith which eventually lead them to accept the truths of Scripture for themselves.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-05-26.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"11.75M","filesize_raw":"12325086","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2906,2822],"tags":[5662,4299,5660,5665,4291,5664,5667,5663,5666],"podcast_series":[8080],"cwp_profile":[9386,9385],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303509","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-becoming-a-christian","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-bible-verses-about-faith","tag-faith","tag-faith-in-god","tag-is-jesus-god","tag-jesus","tag-jesus-is-lord","tag-life-of-jesus","tag-what-is-faith","tag-who-was-jesus","podcast_series-firsthand","cwp_profile-josh-shook","cwp_profile-ryan-shook","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303509\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303509\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"CYCLlMNA5B\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith\/\">What Does it Mean to Have Faith?<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-does-it-mean-to-have-faith\/embed\/#?secret=CYCLlMNA5B\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;What Does it Mean to Have Faith?&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"CYCLlMNA5B\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Like a lot of young people, when he got to college, he put his faith on pause.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> It\u2019s always easy, when you\u2019re young, to think, \u201cLater on I\u2019ll figure that out.\u201d You know, \u201cI\u2019ll clean up my act a little bit once I get older \/ once I have a career; but for now, I\u2019m living for me and it is fun.\u201d I just thought\u2014I don\u2019t know, I always thought about being in a loving marriage, like my parents, and realizing the relationship I had, and what I was settling for now,\u00a0 in many areas of my life, was not going to get me to there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Tuesday, May 26<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk today about what parents can do to help their sons and daughters make their faith their own. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, you and I have seen the statistics for a long time, talking about the number of young people who, post-high school, leave the faith. And we don\u2019t know\u2014some of them come back when they get married \/ some of them come back when they have kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Some of them you\u2019re not sure what\u2019s going to happen. There are a lot of kids, who grew up in Christian homes\u2014going to church \/ going to the Christian school\u2014for whatever reason, they get to their college years and they just say, \u201cI\u2019m done with this.\u201d I think a lot of parents look at that and go, \u201cWhere did we go wrong?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, \u201cIs there anything we can still do today to try to woo our son or daughter back?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think a lot of parents feel like failures, Bob. Some may not have passed on an authentic faith that they lived out in their own home. The way they were living might have been so antithetical to what the Bible teaches that their kids finally could put up with the hypocrisy no longer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen they got out on their own, they: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019m not living this charade out with you any longer.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut if you do try, and you did attempt to pass on your faith in a meaningful way, it\u2019s absolutely normal for a parent to feel like they\u2019ve failed. But what you have to understand is our children have to become independently dependent upon Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And even if you messed up, as a mom or a dad, there\u2019s still an opportunity for you to come back to your kids and to say, \u201cBoy, we messed up,\u201d\u2014to repent in front of them and to make a proclamation of the gospel there; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It isn\u2019t a matter of <em>if <\/em>we messed up; it\u2019s a matter of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> \u2014when, and how, and how often. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and how often we messed up. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we\u2019ve got the authors of a book called <em>Firsthand<\/em>, speaking of firsthand faith. Ryan and Josh Shook join us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Ryan, Josh, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Thanks so much. We\u2019re happy to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes, thank you so much for having us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh is a musician who lives in Nashville, Tennessee. His brother Ryan is a graduate of Baylor University. He and his wife Sarah live in Houston, Texas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEarlier, we talked about your journey of ultimately coming to the end of your rope \/ coming to your emptiness and admitting your need of Jesus Christ. You grew up in a pastor\u2019s home. Both of you guys share in your book how you really dealt with emptiness. In fact, you call it a gift\u2014that it was a gift from God to allow you to come to the end of yourselves and, ultimately, to find Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I\u2019m just curious, because you also experienced doubt, do you think the doubt led to the emptiness? Do you think the emptiness was fueled by the doubt? What is the relationship between these questions you had about\u2014\u201cIs there really a God?\u201d \u201cAre miracles real?\u201d \u201cIs creation true, or is evolution true?\u201d\u2014and then the sense of emptiness that you were starting to feel in high school and college?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s a combination of factors. Like you said, there were doubts that Josh and I were dealing with, on a constant basis, now that we were in high school. We were in science classes, learning about things that we had never really been very familiar with\u2014about evolution and different principles. Then, on the other side of that, just during the day, we were confronted with friends who were drinking and doing things that we knew were wrong but looked appealing. Then, we also had a sinful nature. It\u2019s kind of in those high school years that so many students, just like Josh and I did, want to explore that kind of sinful side of ourselves and kind of <em>rebel<\/em> against whatever it was we were brought up in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that was when Josh and I really started to struggle with depression\/anxiety. These are all just kind of the cruxes that we fell on while we were trying to find fulfillment in ourselves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When you\u2019re empty, you start trying to fill the holes with something that the world offers. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, absolutely. You just grab at anything, you know? Immediately afterwards, you just think to yourself: \u201cThis can\u2019t be it. There has to be more.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Our God is a great God, though. He has means to get our attention\u2014plenty at His disposal to do. You guys describe some of those means as \u201cdivine disturbances.\u201d I like that phrase because I think, sometimes, God is mischievous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He disturbs our lives in unmistakable ways. How did it happen in each of your lives?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes, God definitely does disturb us. Actually, there\u2019s a really great quote by Francis Drake. Josh, can you say it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, Sir Frances Drake wrote\u2014well, it\u2019s credited to him as this poem called \u201cDisturb Us, O Lord.\u201d I just love that. I think it just encapsulates a prayer that Ryan and I strive to pray more often. It goes: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDisturb us, Lord, when\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are too pleased with ourselves,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen our dreams have come true \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause we\u2019ve dreamed too little,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we arrived safely\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause we sailed too close to shore.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDisturb us, Lord, when\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith the abundance of the things we possess\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have lost our thirst \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the waters of life;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHaving fallen in love with life,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have ceased to dream of eternity\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And in our efforts to build a new earth,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have allowed our vision \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf the new Heaven to dim. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDisturb us, Lord, to dare more boldly,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo venture on wilder seas\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere storms will show Your mastery;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere losing sight of land,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe shall find the stars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe all want to be comfortable, you know? When we talk about divine disturbances, one of the most exciting things about the Christian life is it is uncomfortable. We\u2019re <em>constantly<\/em> put outside of our comfort zone, where we go: \u201cOkay, God, I don\u2019t know how You are going to follow through with this,\u201d or \u201cI don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen because I\u2019m in way over my head here; but I see a need. I see You calling me to this area. I see You calling us to step out.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, for Ryan and I, even writing the book about this was\u2014that was a big disturbance, too, because this opportunity came up. We were both like: \u201cOh! We can\u2019t really write well. This isn\u2019t going to come across right.\u201d But we were like: \u201cOkay, God, we <em>know<\/em> this is important. This is an issue that\u2019s <em>so<\/em> important to Ryan and me. We want to step into this. We don\u2019t know how it\u2019s going to work, but we\u2019re going to trust You, Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWe need You to come through because Ryan and I are\u2014I\u2019m not my favorite writer.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I like what he said in that poem: \u201cDisturb us when we sail too close to the shore and arrive safely.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s something within us\u2014that God placed\u2014that is a sense that He has a destiny for us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014that is far greater \/ far more noble than to waste our lives down in the pigsty, eating the slop with the pigs\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because that\u2019s what the prodigal son did. Instead of being a noble, he ended up having to eat what was being thrown away to animals. I want to know how that occurred in both of your lives. What was the point of disturbance? What did God use to disturb you?\u2014to ultimately have you turn the spiritual lights back on in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; was it gradual or was there a wake-up call for both of you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Man, I think it was gradual in a way, but I think there were several moments when I just\u2014I kept trying to make things work on my own terms. I was in a relationship that wasn\u2019t very healthy; but at the time, I was very comfortable. It ended badly, and it made me realize\u2014I don\u2019t know, I had just always thought about being in a loving marriage, like my parents, and realizing the relationship I had, and what I was settling for now, in many areas of my life, was not going to get me to there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So the divine disturbance for you was realizing that this relationship you were pursuing wasn\u2019t going to get you there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Absolutely\u2014that was a big one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Without Jesus Christ, it wasn\u2019t going to work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What about you, Ryan? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Well, for me, it was more of a gradual process. You know, it began in high school. It was really that freshman year of college where I hit rock-bottom, like we talked about earlier. It was at that point, when I had nowhere else to turn, that I looked up at God and said: \u201cI need something. I\u2019m not perfect.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI kind of prayed one of the most honest prayers of my life in a moment of just desperation. I think desperation is often the breeding ground for some of the most genuine and the most authentic prayers of our lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you were in high school and you were dealing with your doubts, you said you would bring that up to your mom or your dad. When you were dealing with depression, did you tell your mom or dad: \u201cI\u2019m really struggling with loneliness,\u201d or \u201c\u2026depression,\u201d or \u201c\u2026anxiety in my life\u201d? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> To be honest, I really didn\u2019t know I was depressed. I just knew I felt crummy and didn\u2019t want to talk to people. It was my dad who kind of saw Josh and me\u2014he saw that he went through a lot of the same things\u2014and he had gone through depression, at our age; but, just like us, hadn\u2019t recognized it. It was really Josh, who also dealt with it, who kind of brought it up to my parents first and said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m having these really depressing thoughts that I don\u2019t know what to do with.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Both of you guys struggled with doubts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou have no way of knowing this, but I took a little longer than you did. It took til the end of my sophomore year in college to kind of do spiritual business with God on my own. One of the men He used in my life was a guy by the name of Tom Skinner. Tom was the Chaplain for the Washington Redskins. He gave a quote to me that hit me between the eyes. I want both of you guys to comment on this because this didn\u2019t change my life, but it helped put my doubts in context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTom Skinner said this: \u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts when, suddenly, I realized I\u2019d better come to grips with what I believe. I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape, and it\u2019s a great relief.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, for me, as a young man, I had a lot of doubts that\u2014some of which I still carry on today, as an adult, occasionally. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I had to come to grips with: \u201cWhat do I really believe? What does the Scripture teach? What am I going to base my life on? Am I going to base it on my doubts and live according to question marks; or am I going to live according to exclamation points, like the empty tomb and Christ being alive after the crucifixion?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> That\u2019s powerful; yes. I love what you said about, \u201cAm I going to live by question marks or exclamation points?\u201d That\u2019s a great way to put it because, just like that quote is saying, there will always be things that you can\u2019t be 100 percent sure about. I think that the logical side of us, as Christians, wants to be able to lay everything out and prove every detail and have evidence for everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reality is that there is a lot of <em>really great<\/em> evidence for what we believe. There are great books on that that Josh and I love and recommend; but the reality is that, at the end of the day, you\u2019re still going to have, probably, some things that you don\u2019t have totally resolved in your mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is: \u201cDo you believe that your God is big enough to handle those doubts? Or are you kind of trying to box God in and say that you can figure Him out?\u201d I mean, how arrogant is it of us to say that we can know everything about everything?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He gives us the courage to surrender; but we have to take the steps to ultimately kneel and say: \u201cOkay, God, I\u2019m going to stop playing church. I\u2019m going to surrender to You. Use me for Your purposes. I don\u2019t know what that is\u2014that seems frightening to me.\u201d It was <em>very frightening<\/em> to me, as a young man. I thought this meant I had to get on a banana boat and go to Africa\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and dress in black and mourn the rest of my life; you know? But quite the opposite was true. When you come to Christ, He doesn\u2019t leave you fully yourself\u2014He empties you of yourself and then fills you up with Himself. That\u2019s the journey of a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Well what would you say\u2014if you don\u2019t mind me asking a question to you guys: \u201cWhat would you say is the most joyful thing about that journey that you didn\u2019t anticipate before it started?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, after thinking about that for a moment, I would say who God is has been such a surprise. When I first started my journey, I read a little book\u2014I think it was by J.B. Phillips. It was called <em>Your God is Too Small<\/em>. I think, for most people, their god is too small because they don\u2019t know the God of the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say the thing that brought me the most joy\u2014because there\u2019ve been a lot of journeys through some dark moments in life\u2014I lost a granddaughter who lived seven days. You don\u2019t think of that as being able to experience joy in that. But when you know who God is, and you know He can be trusted\u2014and you know that He\u2019s a good God, and He didn\u2019t stop being good on the day our granddaughter was born\u2014then it\u2019s a bittersweet joy, but you can experience joy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s all about knowing Him and finding out who He is\u2014that\u2019s been the greatest surprise for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, as you say that, it made me think of Psalm 16, verse 11\u2014that says, \u201cIn Your presence there is fullness of joy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cAt Your right hand are pleasures evermore.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the surprise of the journey for me has been the surprise that what, on the frontend, looked like duty, turns out to be <em>delight<\/em>\u2014that things you <em>have <\/em>to do, you do them and find there\u2019s great <em>joy<\/em> in the doing. The spiritual disciplines bring joy. In the old days, it was like, \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to go to church.\u201d Now, it is like: \u201cOh, it is Sunday! I get to go to church! I get to be with God\u2019s people\u2014I get to worship the Lord!\u201d It\u2019s those kinds of things\u2014where you start to see that \u201cThere is life, here, if you know Christ.\u201d If you don\u2019t know Christ, it\u2019s going to still feel like duty \/ it\u2019s going to feel like a burden. But if you know Christ, there\u2019s <em>joy<\/em> in His presence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve been sitting here, thinking about two things. First of all, I\u2019ve been thinking about a sociologist from Notre Dame\u2014a guy named Christian Smith\u2014who did a study about young people leaving the faith. He drew a conclusion from his study. He said a lot of young people, who are leaving the faith\u2014he said the faith that they\u2019re leaving wasn\u2019t the faith in the first place. He said a lot of young people are growing up in evangelical churches. He said what they\u2019re learning is what he called \u201cmoralistic therapeutic deism.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019re learning there is a God, and that God loves you, and He wants life to be good for you. As long as you keep the rules, that will happen. They get to college and go: \u201cThat\u2019s not true!\u2014keep the rules and nothing bad will ever happen?!\u201d You know, it takes about three weeks of college before you go: \u201cThat just\u2014that doesn\u2019t work out.\u201d He said they hadn\u2019t learned the authentic gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat they had learned was just: \u201cKeep the rules; and the God, who loves you, will take care of you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you feel like the gospel you believe today is different than the gospel that you learned, growing up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. You know, it is funny how you can read the text of the Bible\u2014what our faith is built on\u2014but a lot of it depends on: \u201cHow are you reading it? How intentional are you about what you\u2019re trying to get out of it?\u201d I think that\u2019s one of the great struggles in our generation is\u2014that so many of our generation have confused religion for relationship. Like you\u2019re saying\u2014practical deism, where they know there\u2019s a God\u2014but \u201cAre you really trying to get to know Him on a personal level?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s really the core of it and why we wrote <em>First Hand<\/em> because really everyone deeply, truly needs an authentic, real firsthand relationship with God \/ not just second-hand knowledge of Him. I think a lot of our generation have\u2014who have grown up in church\u2014have just replaced that knowledge for the relationship that we so desperately need, like you\u2019re referring to, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, then, here\u2019s the other question I have for both of you because Dennis and I have had this question about his story. He was seven years old when he prayed \u201cthe prayer.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Dennis was; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He didn\u2019t want to go to hell\u2014prayed the prayer; okay? You\u2019ve heard him say he was in his early 20s when he kind of came back and got serious about his walk with Christ. So the question was: \u201cWas Dennis saved at seven, or was Dennis saved at twenty?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> That sounds like a deep theological question, Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s my question for <em>you<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob delights in these questions! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> As you look back on your life, and you think about your journey\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014do you think you knew Jesus when you were twelve, or do you think you didn\u2019t meet Jesus until you got to the bottom in college?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How would you describe your journey?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Well, here\u2019s what I believe, Bob\u2014is that Christ desperately wants relationship with us. I believe that if you reach a point\u2014you know, as long as you\u2019re at that age of kind of understanding what Christ did for you and accepting what He did for you\u2014I believe that when Dennis made that decision, he became a Christian. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t think Christ ever let go of him. I believe that Christ always was pursuing after Dennis and that he was always saved by Christ\u2019s grace. Now, his distance from Christ definitely varied over the years. I think that\u2019s one of the things that Josh and I really believe\u2014is that faith is a process. As you guys have probably seen over the years\u2014it\u2019s a process of new learning, of realizing how much you don\u2019t know, and then a deeper, more intimate relationship with Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would assume that, as you grow older, it becomes less about what you knew and more about <em>who<\/em> you know\u2014<em>who<\/em> you\u2019re in relationship with. That relationship with Christ only deepens and strengthens over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. Josh, do you think the relationship you had with Jesus, when you were nine\/ten years old, was the real thing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, I <em>honestly<\/em>\u2014I believe it was\u2014I don\u2019t think it was a very\u2014it might have been a very casual relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Pretty basic?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Pretty basic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that\u2019s how\u2014even <em>now<\/em>, I\u2019m sure ten\/twenty years down the road, I\u2019ll think about where I am now\u2014as I\u2019m sure you guys do and say: \u201cMan! Did I really know it then? Did I really know it then?\u201d\u2014because we\u2019re always learning and we\u2019re always growing. I remember, several times, thinking: \u201cDid I pray that right?\u2014because I really want to know Jesus! So, I\u2019d better do it again just to make sure!\u201d You know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven when I was furthest from God, I absolutely still felt that conviction; you know?\u2014not just conviction and guilt\u2014but the real conviction of: \u201cNo, there\u2019s something better for you. You know this isn\u2019t what you need.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I tell you what\u2014when we get to heaven and we find out\u2014no! Never mind! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> If we\u2014the thing is\u2014 well, the thing is\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> See, we\u2019ve got a steak dinner going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When we get to heaven, and he finds out \u201cseven,\u201d I buy the steak \/ if it\u2019s \u201ctwenty,\u201d he buys the steak\u2014so that\u2019s how that works.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh: <\/strong>I like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Either way, we get to eat a steak together!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We\u2019ll go to Cheesecake Factory; who knows?! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> It is funny, though\u2014I will say\u2014the great thing is that, even though it\u2019s absolutely fun to talk about that, and we should be asking these questions\u2014it\u2019s fascinating to ask these questions about God. It\u2019s\u2014you know, people can disagree on it and it is fine; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Sure. At this point, we know where you are; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ryan:<\/strong> Yes; exactly!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And for the listener, who\u2019s listening right now\u2014who\u2019s still on the fence\u2014I\u2019ve got a passage I want to read to you because Jesus Christ\u2014and we started talking about this at the beginning\u2014He does <em>disturb<\/em> your life. He <em>disturbed<\/em> people who were following Him. In John, Chapter 6, the disciples said: \u201cThis is a hard saying. Who can listen to it?\u201d But Jesus knew what they were thinking. He kind of confronted the twelve and said: \u201cAre you guys going to go away as well? Are you guys going to leave Me? Are you going to stop following Me?\u201d Simon Peter said: \u201cLord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, and we have believed and have come to know that You are the holy one of God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you finally find out who Jesus is, and you come to that determination\u2014there\u2019s no other one worthy of being followed\u2014there was only one perfect God-man\u2014Jesus Christ\u2014King of kings \/ Lord of lords. He is the one worthy of your surrender, and of your life, and of your imperfect way of following Him for the rest of your life. If you\u2019re listening to us and haven\u2019t done that\u2014before the sun sets or before you go to bed tonight\u2014settle up and saddle up because it\u2019s an adventure and the journey of a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGuys, I want to thank you for being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I hope some of those who are struggling, Bob, with having their own faith, will get a copy of <em>Firsthand <\/em>by Ryan and Josh Shook. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, especially if we\u2019re talking to folks who are maybe where you guys are\u2014in their twenties\u2014having been through this season in their lives, where they\u2019ve kind of set aside their faith for a while. They\u2019re starting to wonder: \u201cIs there something more to life? How can I reconnect with God?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would encourage them to get a copy of the book, <em>Firsthand<\/em>,by Ryan and Josh Shook. It\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. Go, online, to \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper left-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d You can order a copy of the book, <em>Firsthand, <\/em>right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com. Look for the \u201cGO DEEPER\u201d button in the upper left-hand corner of the screen. That will take you right where you need to go for a copy of the book, <em>Firsthand<\/em>. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order the book: 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we are into the final week of the month of May. For those of us, here at FamilyLife, this is kind of a count-down week because we have been, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tall month long, asking <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners to help us take advantage of a matching gift that was offered to us, back at the beginning of the month. We had some friends of the ministry who said they would agree to match every donation we receive, on a dollar-for-dollar basis, up to a total of $300,000. We\u2019ve heard from many of you who wanted to see the impact of your donation be doubled because of this matching-gift opportunity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve called, or gone online, or mailed a donation to us, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re grateful for your support. We still have a little way to go\u2014so I\u2019d like to encourage you to go, online, to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d and you can make an online donation from there. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014you can make your donation over the phone. Or mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs long as your envelope is postmarked before the end of the month, your donation will still be eligible for the matching-gift qualification. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, I hope you can tune in. Kevin DeYoung is going to be here. He\u2019s a pastor from Michigan. He\u2019s just written a book called <em>What Does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality? <\/em>We\u2019re going to talk about that with him tomorrow. I hope you can tune in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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