{"id":303501,"date":"2015-05-20T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-05-20T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/graduating-to-manhood\/"},"modified":"2015-05-20T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-05-20T15:00:00","slug":"graduating-to-manhood","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/graduating-to-manhood\/","title":{"rendered":"Graduating to Manhood"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jim Reese and Ricky Hall tell about when they took a group of homeless men through Stepping Up, and how these men were impacted and changed for the good of their families and society as a whole.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-05-20.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"26.33M","filesize_raw":"27605511","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2826,2821],"tags":[5653,5654,4476,5656,5655,4698],"podcast_series":[8078],"cwp_profile":[9382,9383],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303501","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-men","category-reaching-out","tag-a-better-life","tag-change-your-life","tag-homeless","tag-inspirational-stories","tag-life-changing","tag-manhood","podcast_series-homeless-men-stepping-up","cwp_profile-jim-reese","cwp_profile-ricky-hall","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303501\/graduating-to-manhood","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303501\/graduating-to-manhood","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"tUeDygCEn1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/graduating-to-manhood\/\">Graduating to Manhood<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/graduating-to-manhood\/embed\/#?secret=tUeDygCEn1\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Graduating to Manhood&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"tUeDygCEn1\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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It all goes back to the family. Here\u2019s Jim Reese. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Eighty-five to ninety percent of our men are going to have no dad. In fact, I\u2019d say, in that range, no positive male influence. If you ask them, \u201cWho really raised you at all?\u201d it would be a mom, at best\u2014could be a grandmother, could be an aunt, could be a neighbor. They\u2019ve not seen what family looks like in a real sense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, May 20<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. How can you help someone who is an adult and has never had a picture of what a healthy family is supposed to look like?\u00a0 We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for joining us. I know if there is some way that you could have opened up the auditorium at the Atlanta Mission and allowed all of our listeners\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014to come in\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, Bob!\u00a0 You don\u2019t know\u2014I so wished\u2014in fact, I talked about the leadership team\u2014you know, I came back and told you, \u201cWhy didn\u2019t I ask you guys to go with me on that trip?\u201d\u00a0 What a <em>privilege<\/em> to join 130 men who were graduating from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series, which is a series that trains men\u2014young men, even boys\u2014in what true biblical manhood is all about. It was a graduation ceremony. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we\u2019ve got the guy here with us\u2014in fact, two guys\u2014it was their idea. Ricky Hall and Jim Reese join us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Jim, Ricky, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ricky heads up Spiritual Life at the Atlanta Mission, and Jim, you are the CEO of that mission. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat did you think about taking a group of homeless guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series?\u00a0 <br><br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Dennis, it didn\u2019t meet it\u2014it <em>far<\/em> exceeded. I think\u2014you know, my heart and, clearly, the work of this was that men want to be men. Men want to be <em>called <\/em>to be men. And to just even start a series that was calling a homeless man\u2014a man who had been addicted \/ a man who thought he was nothing\u2014to believe he could be a courageous man opened the door for people to really feel like their life could be different. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we started it and watched men\u2014I just remember walking the halls, after we did the one on courage\u2014and hearing the men talk about \u201cI didn\u2019t know I could be courageous by taking care of my family.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, tell them about the guy who said he had no idea what courage was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes, he had literally no idea what courage was until he saw that because he felt like, for him\u2014well\u2014courage is what everyone else did\u2014not what he did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe picture of: \u201cI could be courageous by taking care of my family,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my wife,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my son,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my daughter,\u201d was a picture that none of them had had. And so, to be able to share that and begin to talk about that just started them on a whole different journey of expectation of: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I could be this man. I really could be this man. And I think, even though everyone tells me and have told me most of my life I can\u2019t, somebody believes.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, Ricky, I think about my own spiritual journey. There have been in my life some of those mountaintop times that are significant. You point back to them, years later, and you say, \u201cGod showed up here big, and there was catalytic change that happened in my life.\u201d\u00a0 And then, there are other times where the growth has been more incremental \/ more plodding\u2014it\u2019s just one foot in front of the other\u2014but you\u2019re still getting somewhere. It just isn\u2019t as obvious in a concentrated period of time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, I\u2019m wondering\u2014you\u2019re now several months passed the graduation\u2014I guess I\u2019m wondering: \u201cHow much of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series was one of those mountaintop moments that guys come back down\u2014they\u2019ve got to live in the day-to-day\u2014or how much of it has continued to kind of recycle its way through these guys\u2019 lives?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>The guys that come to us that we serve\u2014that we are blessed to serve\u2014literally come in the worst day of their life. They really come at a moment where really things are really bad. We\u2019ve had men come to the program out of the police car, in shackles, and they are ordered by the courts to come. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s happened is\u2014is because they\u2019ve had a message of hope, and had a picture that life could be different, and then found a relationship in Jesus Christ that God promises through His Word that He would empower them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they have a vision of a different future than they had when they came in. So, the message is resonating\u2014that guys now are planning\u2014okay\u2014about marriage. They are thinking about spending time with their children. They are going home on Christmas pass and spending time with their family rather than that time being personal time and the immaturity that sometimes men can fall into. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Because of <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, the message is being lived out as they, even now, in a program; but they are beginning to live that message out, and we believe that God will allow that to carry on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you\u2019ll still see guys or hear guys referring back to things they learned months ago in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014that\u2019s still marked their life in some way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Of course; of course. And how they behave towards their family, and the letters that they write, and the things they want to do is a clear sign that God is using this message; and they are living it out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell you\u2014as I shook these guys\u2019 hands and they told me their stories\u2014over, and over, and over again\u2014guys would tell me: \u201cI\u2019ve been estranged from my wife,\u201d \u201cI haven\u2019t talked to my kids, not just in months, but in years.\u201d\u00a0 I mean, we\u2019re talking about\u2014you start talking about men in shackles. Well, there are some other kinds of shackles that they are wearing, as well, where they have completely given up all their responsibility and haven\u2019t been the husband \/ the father. And guys would come up and say: \u201cI realized I\u2019m the only one that can be the dad to my son,\u201d \u201c\u2026the protector of my daughter.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>I can still remember\u2014about midway through, a guy who had never talked\u2014ever talked to his 12-year-old daughter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Never said a word?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Never said a word\u2014had never called. He called her while he was halfway, going through the program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a Christian and showed him so much love on that phone that he connected the dots of that series to how much God would love him and how much she loved him. All he could do was beam to say, \u201cHe was scared to death to call her, but there she was.\u201d\u00a0 Those were the stories. So, the family stories, in particular\u2014reaching back to a wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>\u2014you know, that: \u201cNow, I can call her. I\u2019m going to call her and talk to her;\u201d or I shared with you the young man who came back and said he was going to give to his mom the certificate that he had graduated because for the first time in his life he had completed something. He knew that his mom would be so proud of him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, as you looked at those men\u2014or I\u2019ve got a young guy who is probably in his early 20\u2019s with two kids\u2014didn\u2019t know the Lord\u2014came to know the Lord at the mission. He shared with me that for the first time in his life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014his mom left\u2014would leave his house when he was eight. He was taking care of his younger brother. He now had a new picture\u2014and for the first time in his life\u2014a picture of what it meant to be a dad to that little three-year-old and one-year-old that he had at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He had been the head of his house\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>\u2014when he was nine years old \/ eight years old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Never had a father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Never had a father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to show him the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Was in gangs at 12\u2014selling drugs at 15. Now, he sat there\u2014and I think that the power of the series, in particular, for our men was it gave them a picture of what they could be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The guys that you took through this series are guys who are in a particular program at the Atlanta Mission. It\u2019s a program for guys who have dealt with or are dealing with substance abuse; right?\u2014drug\/alcohol\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Or just really even life-controlling issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How long are these guys in a program like that, and what\u2019s the long-term impact?\u00a0 How many of these guys go through it and stay sober? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many of them slip?\u00a0 I mean, do you have any sense of that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>They can stay up to a year\u2014I mean, most will stay up to a year. The rate is anywhere from 25-50 percent are going to make it; but again, I think [there are] incremental steps of making it. So, you know, a fall-back doesn\u2019t mean a fall to the end. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>And so, I think that the belief\u2014at least, from what I saw in this\u2014going back home with a picture of being a dad, that they\u2019ve never had in their life, or a husband. I am anxious to see how many will do better because\u2014what I realized, as we were going through this was, <em>none <\/em>had a picture of what that looked like. Well, they are going back now, at least, with a tool to say, \u201cI want to be that man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, one of the men said to me: \u201cYou know, Jim, what I learned\u2014what was the biggest thing I learned?\u00a0 I got to step up every day.\u201d\u00a0 So, you know, your question of: \u201cWhat\u2019s the longevity\u2014what does it look like?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe came away with a great picture of: \u201cThis isn\u2019t what I\u2019m getting\u2014I\u2019ll come in and out of this. I\u2019ve got to step up. I\u2019ve got to think about and live with intentionality as I start every day.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There are two short films that we include in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series that I have to tell you\u2014when we were putting it together, we wondered if this was going to be pushing the boundaries too much. One is a story that has a guy going in for a job interview. He winds up going to a bar at 9:30 in the morning. You know this story\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014I\u2019m talking about. And the bartender says, \u201cWell, you need to man up a little bit,\u201d and starts pushing beer at him; right?\u00a0 And he winds up drinking too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is another story where a son\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014is supposed to be home\u2014he\u2019s not home. Dad goes out looking for him to try to get him home \/ get him to\u2014and Dad winds up playing pool and doing shots with his son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I remember as we were putting this together\u2014I\u2019m thinking: \u201cYou know?\u00a0 I don\u2019t know that our church-going audience is going to really resonate.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019ve gotten some letters, over the years, from folks saying, \u201cWhy did you include drinking in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series?\u201d I\u2019ve talked to some of these folks; and I\u2019ve said: \u201cWell, we never showed drinking in a positive light\u2014never showed it as something that was noble \/ honorable. We\u2019ll leave that for folks\u2014that drinking in moderation question\u2014we\u2019ll leave that for their own conscience.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just curious: \u201cAs you are dealing with guys with substance abuse, and we\u2019ve got a couple scenes like that, were there any comments about that?\u00a0 Any thoughts about that?\u2014do you remember?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Our guys really just associated that with real life. This is what real men deal with. It brought a sense of reality to the series and that it wasn\u2019t just something that was kind of in a foreign world to them. This is real life \/ this is what men do\u2014this is what they deal with. So, for our guys, it was no issue whatsoever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pretty tame, maybe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Right. And I think it gave them a picture, too, of a way to laugh at the foolishness of some of the decisions they\u2019d made.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>They know that there have been times where they either did drugs or alcohol that they maybe messed up one of the most important days in their life. And so, I think it gave them a chance to look at that, but not be so self-critical. I think that was one of the things about the series\u2014it wasn\u2019t about what you <em>shouldn\u2019t do<\/em>\u2014it was about what you <em>should do<\/em>. That\u2019s what our guys loved\u2014it was not: \u201cDon\u2019t do this,\u201d\u2014it was: \u201cBe this.\u201d\u00a0 And I think what they took away was, not only a call to a different life, but a picture of a different life they had never seen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, I\u2019m thinking of a guy\u2014and I told you about this earlier. I was eating dinner and went and sat down at a table with two other guys. One of the guys, across the table\u2014I forget his name\u2014but he looked at me and said: \u201cMr. Rainey, when I was six years old, my mom would leave for days\/weeks. My dad has always been in prison.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI had no picture of what it looked like to be a man. I\u2019ve met my dad twice.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd he said, \u201cI was in charge of the family at six.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cI would get all this advice from one side and then other advice from another group of people, and I was confused. I didn\u2019t know what was right\u2014what the real picture was. And what has happened in <em>Stepping Up<\/em> is\u2014I realized that the Bible\u2014this is the standard. This is going to help me think square about how to be a man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was married; but he had really gotten hope because he had seen, biblically, what is expected of a man and how the Bible will equip a man, even who comes from the most horrific background. I mean, his slate of what it looks like to be a man was blank\u2014he had no picture there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve seen other men in this same situation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>That, to me, Dennis\u2014it painted a picture. And I think the belief that Christ could really allow them to live that life was really one of the biggest things of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so, they didn\u2019t walk with a lack of confidence; but they didn\u2019t, also, walk with confidence in themselves. They walked out knowing, \u201cI couldn\u2019t do this alone, but I could do this with Christ.\u201d\u00a0 And I think <em>that <\/em>was what gave them hope: \u201cI know I can\u2019t do this, but it\u2019s a different picture. And with Christ, you know what? All things really are possible; and I could do this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Our mission, here at FamilyLife, is to effectively develop godly families because we believe that if you have strong, intact, healthy families, that\u2019ll change your life \/ it\u2019ll change the culture. It\u2019ll change the world, eventually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just curious\u2014I don\u2019t know if you have statistics or if you just anecdotally\u2014if you\u2019ve got a thousand people you\u2019re serving every day at the Atlanta Mission, any idea how many of those thousand grew up in a family where there was both a mom and a dad in the home, and it was intact, and they had some stability in their home?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Eight-five to ninety percent of our men are going to have no dad. In fact, I\u2019d say, in that range, no positive male influence. If you asked them: \u201cWho really raised them at all?\u201d it would be a mom, at best\u2014could be a grandmother, could be an aunt, could be a neighbor \/ or women with our kids\u2014same situation, Bob. They\u2019ve not seen what family looks like in a real sense at all. Now, there are some that have, obviously. There are some that grew up in good families and had that; but that\u2019s 10\/15 percent, maximum. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If we wanted to make a dent in the homeless population in America\u2014if we could somehow get moms and dads to love each other, stay together, and take care of the kids, that would have an impact; wouldn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. You know, I think that we\u2019re cleaning up the mess. If we could keep families together\u2014start with families\u2014we could get us out of business. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, let\u2019s start with families\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>It starts with families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014with a mom and a dad together. Let\u2019s not be having babies where single parent moms are trying to do this by themselves\u2014they\u2019re heroic\u2014but little boys \/ little girls need a dad. You had a great one, Ricky. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Indeed. And I tell you\u2014it\u2019s been the treasure of my life. I thank God many a day that I have my parents, but it\u2019s made the difference. And without them, my life would have followed a much different path\u2014I\u2019m sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, before we\u2019re done here today, I\u2019m going to give you a very unique opportunity. Before I give you that opportunity, there is one last story, Jim, I want you to tell. It\u2019s about Jack. He\u2019s one of your staff members\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who went through <em>Stepping Up<\/em> with the homeless guys. In Session 10, God had something very specific He wanted to convict him of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>We were watching the story about Brother Paul, and I\u2019m in the room with him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s in the small group that we\u2019re going through it together with. All of a sudden, he just starts weeping uncontrollably. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, before you tell what happened there\u2014Bob, explain the story of Brother Paul that\u2019s in Session 15. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, Brother Paul tells about his own dad\u2014who grew up as an amateur boxer and as a fire-fighter \/ grew up in the cotton fields of Arkansas\u2014and grew up racially prejudiced. Although he had black friends, he had a sense that whites were superior to blacks. By the time he was a fire-fighter, he was at a fire station right outside of Central High School in Little Rock when\u2014a lot of listeners will know\u2014Little Rock\u2019s Central High School was a scene where integration happened in the late 1950\u2019s. There were a lot of white folks who were not happy with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And Brother Paul\u2019s dad was at the fire station that day, watching the unrest take place. He saw one of his old friends that he had grown up with\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014an African American friend\u2014who came up to him and saw him at the fire station\u2014put out his hand and said, \u201cMr. Paul.\u201d\u00a0 And Paul Holderfield said, to his shame, he would not put out his hand\u2014he put it behind his back. He was afraid what the other fire-fighters were going to think if they saw him shaking the hand of a black person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat man walked away, obviously, disappointed that a guy he thought was his friend had snubbed him like that. It\u2019s a powerful story because ultimately Paul Holderfield went back and reconciled with that man\u2014sought him out, asked for forgiveness, and then gave his life to caring for the needs of anyone who was in need by developing a homeless ministry in a food kitchen and taking care of these folks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe really present him, in the series, as an example of a guy whose life was touched by Christ; and he became a patriarch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes, and so, for Jack\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014he\u2019s watching this. All of a sudden, this weeping starts. And I\u2019m wondering: \u201cWhat\u2019s happening?\u201d to be honest with you\u2014and he doesn\u2019t stop. It ends; and Jack says, \u201cI grew up\u2014my whole family, including myself, was a racist.\u201d\u00a0 And he starts crying again.\u00a0 He says: \u201cUntil I came to the mission and went through the program, for the first time in my life, I really realized blacks and whites\u2014we are all brothers. But the rest of my family is still racists.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, in our study\u2014had another guy on our staff, who is African American, who looked at him and said, \u201cJack, you can\u2019t change the past, but you can change the future,\u201d\u2014and really gave him freedom. Then, that incredible night, Dennis, when you and Brother Paul came\u2014which we didn\u2019t expect\u2014I had the chance to introduce Jack to Brother Paul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, it may be that some of our listeners would be interested in seeing what Jack saw\u2014see Brother Paul share his story about his dad from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series. We\u2019ve got that clip available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. Go to the website and click the link in the upper left-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The clip from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series is available right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is also information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series. This may be something you\u2019d like to take a group of guys through\u2014whether it\u2019s fathers and sons, a small group that you get together with on a regular basis\u2014maybe, there is a ministry opportunity near you with guys who would benefit from having someone take them through this ten-week video series. Find out more about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> material when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d in the upper left-hand corner of the screen; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about the series. Ask about <em>Stepping Up<\/em> when you get in touch with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think it is appropriate today to again say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to our Legacy Partners and other friends of this ministry who, through the years, have supported what we do. You\u2019ve made things like the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series possible. You make this daily radio program possible with your faithful support to keep this ministry on the air in your community. We are grateful for the partnership we have with you in this work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I wanted to let you know that, during the month of May, something exciting is happening here. We\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry who have agreed that they will match every donation we receive this month, on a dollar-for-dollar basis, up to a total of $300,000. So, as listeners have been calling this month and saying, \u201cI\u2019d like to give $30 dollars,\u201d \u201cI\u2019d like to give $50,\u201d \u201c\u2026$100,\u201d\u2014whatever you are able to donate in support of the ministry\u2014each of those donations has been doubled in its impact because of the matching-gift fund that has been established. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould you consider making a donation today? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI CARE.\u201d You can make an online donation there. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. Or mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s been our privilege to have a couple of kindred spirit warriors with us here this week\u2014Jim Reese and Ricky Hall. And Ricky, I told you I was going to give you a great privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Yes, sir. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve been talking about the strength of the family you came from. I\u2019m going to seat your parents across the table from you, right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, we don\u2019t have them out here in the hall\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>I know\u2014I\u2019ve got it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014a little theater of the mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>I understand that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Alright?\u00a0 But you have an opportunity to give them a verbal tribute. I wrote a book one time called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s about writing your parents a tribute and then reading it to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I know you haven\u2019t written this down, but it is written on your heart. What I want you to do is speak to them by their names of what you called them when you grew up, as a young man. I want you to honor them here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, for the parents they were. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Wow!\u00a0 Indeed, this is a great, great honor for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMom \/ Dad, I don\u2019t even know where to start. You guys have given me everything that any son could ever want in life. You didn\u2019t have large sums of money in the bank to give me. You didn\u2019t have things that other people value, but you gave me what was the most important\u2014your love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou taught me to fear God. You taught me to love my family and to be a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, you\u2019re the greatest man I know. Mom, you\u2019re the greatest woman that I know. And I know that other people have told you; but your son is telling you that I love you, and I respect you, and I thank God for you every single day. And you are the finest people that I\u2019ve ever been around. I just want you to know that I love you <em>so much<\/em> and thank God that you\u2019re my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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It all goes back to the family. Here\u2019s Jim Reese. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Eighty-five to ninety percent of our men are going to have no dad. In fact, I\u2019d say, in that range, no positive male influence. If you ask them, \u201cWho really raised you at all?\u201d it would be a mom, at best\u2014could be a grandmother, could be an aunt, could be a neighbor. They\u2019ve not seen what family looks like in a real sense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, May 20<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. How can you help someone who is an adult and has never had a picture of what a healthy family is supposed to look like?\u00a0 We\u2019ll talk about that today. 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Ricky Hall and Jim Reese join us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Jim, Ricky, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ricky heads up Spiritual Life at the Atlanta Mission, and Jim, you are the CEO of that mission. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat did you think about taking a group of homeless guys through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series?\u00a0 <br><br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Dennis, it didn\u2019t meet it\u2014it <em>far<\/em> exceeded. I think\u2014you know, my heart and, clearly, the work of this was that men want to be men. Men want to be <em>called <\/em>to be men. And to just even start a series that was calling a homeless man\u2014a man who had been addicted \/ a man who thought he was nothing\u2014to believe he could be a courageous man opened the door for people to really feel like their life could be different. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we started it and watched men\u2014I just remember walking the halls, after we did the one on courage\u2014and hearing the men talk about \u201cI didn\u2019t know I could be courageous by taking care of my family.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, tell them about the guy who said he had no idea what courage was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes, he had literally no idea what courage was until he saw that because he felt like, for him\u2014well\u2014courage is what everyone else did\u2014not what he did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe picture of: \u201cI could be courageous by taking care of my family,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my wife,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my son,\u201d or \u201c\u2026my daughter,\u201d was a picture that none of them had had. And so, to be able to share that and begin to talk about that just started them on a whole different journey of expectation of: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I could be this man. I really could be this man. And I think, even though everyone tells me and have told me most of my life I can\u2019t, somebody believes.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, Ricky, I think about my own spiritual journey. There have been in my life some of those mountaintop times that are significant. You point back to them, years later, and you say, \u201cGod showed up here big, and there was catalytic change that happened in my life.\u201d\u00a0 And then, there are other times where the growth has been more incremental \/ more plodding\u2014it\u2019s just one foot in front of the other\u2014but you\u2019re still getting somewhere. It just isn\u2019t as obvious in a concentrated period of time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, I\u2019m wondering\u2014you\u2019re now several months passed the graduation\u2014I guess I\u2019m wondering: \u201cHow much of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series was one of those mountaintop moments that guys come back down\u2014they\u2019ve got to live in the day-to-day\u2014or how much of it has continued to kind of recycle its way through these guys\u2019 lives?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>The guys that come to us that we serve\u2014that we are blessed to serve\u2014literally come in the worst day of their life. They really come at a moment where really things are really bad. We\u2019ve had men come to the program out of the police car, in shackles, and they are ordered by the courts to come. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s happened is\u2014is because they\u2019ve had a message of hope, and had a picture that life could be different, and then found a relationship in Jesus Christ that God promises through His Word that He would empower them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014they have a vision of a different future than they had when they came in. So, the message is resonating\u2014that guys now are planning\u2014okay\u2014about marriage. They are thinking about spending time with their children. They are going home on Christmas pass and spending time with their family rather than that time being personal time and the immaturity that sometimes men can fall into. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Because of <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, the message is being lived out as they, even now, in a program; but they are beginning to live that message out, and we believe that God will allow that to carry on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you\u2019ll still see guys or hear guys referring back to things they learned months ago in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014that\u2019s still marked their life in some way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Of course; of course. And how they behave towards their family, and the letters that they write, and the things they want to do is a clear sign that God is using this message; and they are living it out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell you\u2014as I shook these guys\u2019 hands and they told me their stories\u2014over, and over, and over again\u2014guys would tell me: \u201cI\u2019ve been estranged from my wife,\u201d \u201cI haven\u2019t talked to my kids, not just in months, but in years.\u201d\u00a0 I mean, we\u2019re talking about\u2014you start talking about men in shackles. Well, there are some other kinds of shackles that they are wearing, as well, where they have completely given up all their responsibility and haven\u2019t been the husband \/ the father. And guys would come up and say: \u201cI realized I\u2019m the only one that can be the dad to my son,\u201d \u201c\u2026the protector of my daughter.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>I can still remember\u2014about midway through, a guy who had never talked\u2014ever talked to his 12-year-old daughter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Never said a word?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Never said a word\u2014had never called. He called her while he was halfway, going through the program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a Christian and showed him so much love on that phone that he connected the dots of that series to how much God would love him and how much she loved him. All he could do was beam to say, \u201cHe was scared to death to call her, but there she was.\u201d\u00a0 Those were the stories. So, the family stories, in particular\u2014reaching back to a wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>\u2014you know, that: \u201cNow, I can call her. I\u2019m going to call her and talk to her;\u201d or I shared with you the young man who came back and said he was going to give to his mom the certificate that he had graduated because for the first time in his life he had completed something. He knew that his mom would be so proud of him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, as you looked at those men\u2014or I\u2019ve got a young guy who is probably in his early 20\u2019s with two kids\u2014didn\u2019t know the Lord\u2014came to know the Lord at the mission. He shared with me that for the first time in his life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014his mom left\u2014would leave his house when he was eight. He was taking care of his younger brother. He now had a new picture\u2014and for the first time in his life\u2014a picture of what it meant to be a dad to that little three-year-old and one-year-old that he had at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He had been the head of his house\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>\u2014when he was nine years old \/ eight years old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Never had a father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Never had a father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to show him the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Was in gangs at 12\u2014selling drugs at 15. Now, he sat there\u2014and I think that the power of the series, in particular, for our men was it gave them a picture of what they could be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>The guys that you took through this series are guys who are in a particular program at the Atlanta Mission. It\u2019s a program for guys who have dealt with or are dealing with substance abuse; right?\u2014drug\/alcohol\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Or just really even life-controlling issues. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How long are these guys in a program like that, and what\u2019s the long-term impact?\u00a0 How many of these guys go through it and stay sober? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many of them slip?\u00a0 I mean, do you have any sense of that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>They can stay up to a year\u2014I mean, most will stay up to a year. The rate is anywhere from 25-50 percent are going to make it; but again, I think [there are] incremental steps of making it. So, you know, a fall-back doesn\u2019t mean a fall to the end. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>And so, I think that the belief\u2014at least, from what I saw in this\u2014going back home with a picture of being a dad, that they\u2019ve never had in their life, or a husband. I am anxious to see how many will do better because\u2014what I realized, as we were going through this was, <em>none <\/em>had a picture of what that looked like. Well, they are going back now, at least, with a tool to say, \u201cI want to be that man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, one of the men said to me: \u201cYou know, Jim, what I learned\u2014what was the biggest thing I learned?\u00a0 I got to step up every day.\u201d\u00a0 So, you know, your question of: \u201cWhat\u2019s the longevity\u2014what does it look like?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe came away with a great picture of: \u201cThis isn\u2019t what I\u2019m getting\u2014I\u2019ll come in and out of this. I\u2019ve got to step up. I\u2019ve got to think about and live with intentionality as I start every day.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There are two short films that we include in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series that I have to tell you\u2014when we were putting it together, we wondered if this was going to be pushing the boundaries too much. One is a story that has a guy going in for a job interview. He winds up going to a bar at 9:30 in the morning. You know this story\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014I\u2019m talking about. And the bartender says, \u201cWell, you need to man up a little bit,\u201d and starts pushing beer at him; right?\u00a0 And he winds up drinking too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is another story where a son\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014is supposed to be home\u2014he\u2019s not home. Dad goes out looking for him to try to get him home \/ get him to\u2014and Dad winds up playing pool and doing shots with his son. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I remember as we were putting this together\u2014I\u2019m thinking: \u201cYou know?\u00a0 I don\u2019t know that our church-going audience is going to really resonate.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019ve gotten some letters, over the years, from folks saying, \u201cWhy did you include drinking in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series?\u201d I\u2019ve talked to some of these folks; and I\u2019ve said: \u201cWell, we never showed drinking in a positive light\u2014never showed it as something that was noble \/ honorable. We\u2019ll leave that for folks\u2014that drinking in moderation question\u2014we\u2019ll leave that for their own conscience.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just curious: \u201cAs you are dealing with guys with substance abuse, and we\u2019ve got a couple scenes like that, were there any comments about that?\u00a0 Any thoughts about that?\u2014do you remember?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Our guys really just associated that with real life. This is what real men deal with. It brought a sense of reality to the series and that it wasn\u2019t just something that was kind of in a foreign world to them. This is real life \/ this is what men do\u2014this is what they deal with. So, for our guys, it was no issue whatsoever. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pretty tame, maybe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Right. And I think it gave them a picture, too, of a way to laugh at the foolishness of some of the decisions they\u2019d made.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jim: <\/strong>They know that there have been times where they either did drugs or alcohol that they maybe messed up one of the most important days in their life. And so, I think it gave them a chance to look at that, but not be so self-critical. I think that was one of the things about the series\u2014it wasn\u2019t about what you <em>shouldn\u2019t do<\/em>\u2014it was about what you <em>should do<\/em>. That\u2019s what our guys loved\u2014it was not: \u201cDon\u2019t do this,\u201d\u2014it was: \u201cBe this.\u201d\u00a0 And I think what they took away was, not only a call to a different life, but a picture of a different life they had never seen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, I\u2019m thinking of a guy\u2014and I told you about this earlier. I was eating dinner and went and sat down at a table with two other guys. One of the guys, across the table\u2014I forget his name\u2014but he looked at me and said: \u201cMr. Rainey, when I was six years old, my mom would leave for days\/weeks. My dad has always been in prison.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI had no picture of what it looked like to be a man. I\u2019ve met my dad twice.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd he said, \u201cI was in charge of the family at six.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cI would get all this advice from one side and then other advice from another group of people, and I was confused. I didn\u2019t know what was right\u2014what the real picture was. And what has happened in <em>Stepping Up<\/em> is\u2014I realized that the Bible\u2014this is the standard. This is going to help me think square about how to be a man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was married; but he had really gotten hope because he had seen, biblically, what is expected of a man and how the Bible will equip a man, even who comes from the most horrific background. I mean, his slate of what it looks like to be a man was blank\u2014he had no picture there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve seen other men in this same situation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>That, to me, Dennis\u2014it painted a picture. And I think the belief that Christ could really allow them to live that life was really one of the biggest things of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so, they didn\u2019t walk with a lack of confidence; but they didn\u2019t, also, walk with confidence in themselves. They walked out knowing, \u201cI couldn\u2019t do this alone, but I could do this with Christ.\u201d\u00a0 And I think <em>that <\/em>was what gave them hope: \u201cI know I can\u2019t do this, but it\u2019s a different picture. And with Christ, you know what? All things really are possible; and I could do this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Our mission, here at FamilyLife, is to effectively develop godly families because we believe that if you have strong, intact, healthy families, that\u2019ll change your life \/ it\u2019ll change the culture. It\u2019ll change the world, eventually. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just curious\u2014I don\u2019t know if you have statistics or if you just anecdotally\u2014if you\u2019ve got a thousand people you\u2019re serving every day at the Atlanta Mission, any idea how many of those thousand grew up in a family where there was both a mom and a dad in the home, and it was intact, and they had some stability in their home?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Eight-five to ninety percent of our men are going to have no dad. In fact, I\u2019d say, in that range, no positive male influence. If you asked them: \u201cWho really raised them at all?\u201d it would be a mom, at best\u2014could be a grandmother, could be an aunt, could be a neighbor \/ or women with our kids\u2014same situation, Bob. They\u2019ve not seen what family looks like in a real sense at all. Now, there are some that have, obviously. There are some that grew up in good families and had that; but that\u2019s 10\/15 percent, maximum. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If we wanted to make a dent in the homeless population in America\u2014if we could somehow get moms and dads to love each other, stay together, and take care of the kids, that would have an impact; wouldn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. You know, I think that we\u2019re cleaning up the mess. If we could keep families together\u2014start with families\u2014we could get us out of business. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, let\u2019s start with families\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>It starts with families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014with a mom and a dad together. Let\u2019s not be having babies where single parent moms are trying to do this by themselves\u2014they\u2019re heroic\u2014but little boys \/ little girls need a dad. You had a great one, Ricky. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Indeed. And I tell you\u2014it\u2019s been the treasure of my life. I thank God many a day that I have my parents, but it\u2019s made the difference. And without them, my life would have followed a much different path\u2014I\u2019m sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, before we\u2019re done here today, I\u2019m going to give you a very unique opportunity. Before I give you that opportunity, there is one last story, Jim, I want you to tell. It\u2019s about Jack. He\u2019s one of your staff members\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who went through <em>Stepping Up<\/em> with the homeless guys. In Session 10, God had something very specific He wanted to convict him of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>We were watching the story about Brother Paul, and I\u2019m in the room with him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s in the small group that we\u2019re going through it together with. All of a sudden, he just starts weeping uncontrollably. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, before you tell what happened there\u2014Bob, explain the story of Brother Paul that\u2019s in Session 15. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, Brother Paul tells about his own dad\u2014who grew up as an amateur boxer and as a fire-fighter \/ grew up in the cotton fields of Arkansas\u2014and grew up racially prejudiced. Although he had black friends, he had a sense that whites were superior to blacks. By the time he was a fire-fighter, he was at a fire station right outside of Central High School in Little Rock when\u2014a lot of listeners will know\u2014Little Rock\u2019s Central High School was a scene where integration happened in the late 1950\u2019s. There were a lot of white folks who were not happy with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And Brother Paul\u2019s dad was at the fire station that day, watching the unrest take place. He saw one of his old friends that he had grown up with\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014an African American friend\u2014who came up to him and saw him at the fire station\u2014put out his hand and said, \u201cMr. Paul.\u201d\u00a0 And Paul Holderfield said, to his shame, he would not put out his hand\u2014he put it behind his back. He was afraid what the other fire-fighters were going to think if they saw him shaking the hand of a black person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat man walked away, obviously, disappointed that a guy he thought was his friend had snubbed him like that. It\u2019s a powerful story because ultimately Paul Holderfield went back and reconciled with that man\u2014sought him out, asked for forgiveness, and then gave his life to caring for the needs of anyone who was in need by developing a homeless ministry in a food kitchen and taking care of these folks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe really present him, in the series, as an example of a guy whose life was touched by Christ; and he became a patriarch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim: <\/strong>Yes, and so, for Jack\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014he\u2019s watching this. All of a sudden, this weeping starts. And I\u2019m wondering: \u201cWhat\u2019s happening?\u201d to be honest with you\u2014and he doesn\u2019t stop. It ends; and Jack says, \u201cI grew up\u2014my whole family, including myself, was a racist.\u201d\u00a0 And he starts crying again.\u00a0 He says: \u201cUntil I came to the mission and went through the program, for the first time in my life, I really realized blacks and whites\u2014we are all brothers. But the rest of my family is still racists.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, in our study\u2014had another guy on our staff, who is African American, who looked at him and said, \u201cJack, you can\u2019t change the past, but you can change the future,\u201d\u2014and really gave him freedom. Then, that incredible night, Dennis, when you and Brother Paul came\u2014which we didn\u2019t expect\u2014I had the chance to introduce Jack to Brother Paul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, it may be that some of our listeners would be interested in seeing what Jack saw\u2014see Brother Paul share his story about his dad from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series. We\u2019ve got that clip available on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com. Go to the website and click the link in the upper left-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The clip from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series is available right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is also information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series. This may be something you\u2019d like to take a group of guys through\u2014whether it\u2019s fathers and sons, a small group that you get together with on a regular basis\u2014maybe, there is a ministry opportunity near you with guys who would benefit from having someone take them through this ten-week video series. Find out more about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> material when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d in the upper left-hand corner of the screen; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about the series. Ask about <em>Stepping Up<\/em> when you get in touch with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think it is appropriate today to again say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to our Legacy Partners and other friends of this ministry who, through the years, have supported what we do. You\u2019ve made things like the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series possible. You make this daily radio program possible with your faithful support to keep this ministry on the air in your community. We are grateful for the partnership we have with you in this work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I wanted to let you know that, during the month of May, something exciting is happening here. We\u2019ve had some friends of the ministry who have agreed that they will match every donation we receive this month, on a dollar-for-dollar basis, up to a total of $300,000. So, as listeners have been calling this month and saying, \u201cI\u2019d like to give $30 dollars,\u201d \u201cI\u2019d like to give $50,\u201d \u201c\u2026$100,\u201d\u2014whatever you are able to donate in support of the ministry\u2014each of those donations has been doubled in its impact because of the matching-gift fund that has been established. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWould you consider making a donation today? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI CARE.\u201d You can make an online donation there. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make a donation over the phone. Or mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s been our privilege to have a couple of kindred spirit warriors with us here this week\u2014Jim Reese and Ricky Hall. And Ricky, I told you I was going to give you a great privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Yes, sir. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve been talking about the strength of the family you came from. I\u2019m going to seat your parents across the table from you, right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Oh, wow!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, we don\u2019t have them out here in the hall\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>I know\u2014I\u2019ve got it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014a little theater of the mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>I understand that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Alright?\u00a0 But you have an opportunity to give them a verbal tribute. I wrote a book one time called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s about writing your parents a tribute and then reading it to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I know you haven\u2019t written this down, but it is written on your heart. What I want you to do is speak to them by their names of what you called them when you grew up, as a young man. I want you to honor them here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, for the parents they were. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Ricky: <\/strong>Wow!\u00a0 Indeed, this is a great, great honor for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMom \/ Dad, I don\u2019t even know where to start. You guys have given me everything that any son could ever want in life. You didn\u2019t have large sums of money in the bank to give me. You didn\u2019t have things that other people value, but you gave me what was the most important\u2014your love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou taught me to fear God. You taught me to love my family and to be a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, you\u2019re the greatest man I know. Mom, you\u2019re the greatest woman that I know. And I know that other people have told you; but your son is telling you that I love you, and I respect you, and I thank God for you every single day. And you are the finest people that I\u2019ve ever been around. I just want you to know that I love you <em>so much<\/em> and thank God that you\u2019re my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2015 FamilyLife. 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