{"id":303455,"date":"2015-04-08T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-04-08T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-magnificent-obsession\/"},"modified":"2015-04-08T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-04-08T15:00:00","slug":"the-magnificent-obsession","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-magnificent-obsession\/","title":{"rendered":"The Magnificent Obsession"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gary Thomas, author of &#8220;A Lifelong Love,&#8221; encourages every couple to discover their magnificient obsession-something they love to do for the glory of God.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-04-08.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.62M","filesize_raw":"23717203","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2809],"tags":[2877],"podcast_series":[8072],"cwp_profile":[3158],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303455","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-commitment","tag-marriage","podcast_series-discovering-a-lifelong-love","cwp_profile-gary-thomas","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303455\/the-magnificent-obsession","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303455\/the-magnificent-obsession","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"oYjltOgSba\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-magnificent-obsession\/\">The Magnificent Obsession<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-magnificent-obsession\/embed\/#?secret=oYjltOgSba\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Magnificent Obsession&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"oYjltOgSba\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What does it look like to live in a marriage and family with eternity in view? We\u2019ll explore that today with Gary Thomas. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I have to tell you\u2014I was looking at one of the themes that is addressed in Gary Thomas\u2019 book, <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em>\u2014and Gary\u2019s back with us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Gary, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> It\u2019s so good to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the theme, Dennis, is the theme of husbands and wives being on mission together. In fact, Gary quotes a guest we had on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, more than two decades ago\u2014Kevin Miller\u2014you remember?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014wrote a book called <em>More Than You and Me<\/em> about husbands and wives being on mission together. I came across that section and I thought, \u201cDennis is going to be all over this,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I just <em>knew<\/em> you would be pounding the table on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor some of our listeners, who don\u2019t know Gary Thomas\u2014he is a prolific writer, preacher from Second Baptist church. He and his wife Lisa live in Houston, Texas, where Second Baptist is located. You talk about, in your book, <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em>, about a magnificent obsession. I have to tell you\u2014when I read that in your book, I went, \u201cThat\u2019s a great way to put it!\u201d Every couple <em>needs<\/em> a magnificent obsession. You do use the illustration of Kevin Miller and his wife\u2014and how they wandered about for a while but how they have finely found that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> They just experienced what most couples would experience after the infatuation begins to die down. All of a sudden, they\u2019re like: \u201cIs this all it is? I mean, it\u2019s become routine.\u201d In his case, he took over a youth group that had a number of, let\u2019s just say, unruly kids, at best, and\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was one of them, by the way!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Could have been! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> The thing that astonished them is they found it began to pull their marriage together. Suddenly, they were <em>forced<\/em> to pray as they\u2019d never prayed before. They felt like they were in over their heads. They were in a place where they <em>knew<\/em> they couldn\u2019t just do this on their own. There were something about being together now\u2014facing this together \/ working together\u2014they started to have more conversations because they had something to have conversations about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey had a purpose bigger than themselves that drew them together. The irony is that giving themselves to a ministry renewed their marriage and gave them sort of a second wind to appreciate each other, to enjoy each other, and feel closer together. I quote them in my book, where Kevin\u2019s wife, Karen, says this: \u201cWe hunger for this today\u201d\u2014speaking of joint mission\u2014\u201ccooperating together, meshing, working like a mountain climbing team ascending the peak of our dream, and then holding each other at the end of the day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has planted this hunger deep within every married couple. It\u2019s more than a hunger for companionship. It\u2019s more than a hunger to create new life. It\u2019s a third hunger\u2014a hunger to do something significant together. According to God\u2019s Word, we were joined to make a difference\u2014we were married for a mission.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Ephesians 2:10 is what I like to preach and share with folks when I come to this subject right here\u2014we were created by God: \u201cWe are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, for good works\u2026\u201d You have been designed by God for good works\u2014which it says: \u201cHe has prepared beforehand that you should walk in them.\u201d This is a transcendent mission \/ a transcendent work that each of you have, as individuals, but also, because you\u2019re husband and wife and you are joined together, you have a mission, as a couple. The question is: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> What that Ephesians passage tells us is, Dennis\u2014that if you have a couple that are having date nights, having regular times of intimacy, enjoying themselves, creating good meals, but they\u2019re not waking up, saying, \u201cWhat good works can we do?\u201d there\u2019re not doing what God created them to do. We were created, in Christ Jesus, to do <em>good works<\/em>. A couple that is living for themselves is not doing what God created them to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> My wife and I\u2014I think, if we were to look back on the first two-and-a-half, maybe three decades of our marriage together, and I was to say, \u201cWhat was our common mission that we had, as a couple?\u201d We were involved in a discipleship ministry with five individuals that we were discipling on a daily basis; okay? Those five have now grown and are out of our house. Four of the five are married to spouses. Honestly, our common mission, for years, was the discipleship of those kids. Don\u2019t you think that\u2019s the center of most couples\u2019 marriages, and is that a sufficient mission for a husband and wife?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s an <em>essential <\/em>mission\u2014let me begin with that. One of the best gifts any married person can give to the church, and to God\u2019s kingdom, are men and women raised in the faith\u2014raised in a stable home that honors God\u2014that grows up with the sense of mission. It\u2019s really one of the best things that we can do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the way Elton Trueblood talked about this when he said we live our life in chapters. You have the chapter of your life as a single person, the chapter of being a young married, the chapter of raising kids, the chapter of your empty nest years, and the chapter of your retirement years and beyond. You don\u2019t look at your life according to one chapter\u2014your life is this one long story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I do think that\u2019s a significant mission; but I would say this Bob\u2014it still needs to be a view of mission, as you raise your kids. We\u2019re not raising our kids just to be happy, just to be successful, just to look good at the end-of-the-year Christmas letter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re raising them with that sense of mission. We\u2019re raising them to believe in good works, which is why I don\u2019t think it\u2019s sufficient, in its own, in this sense. If they don\u2019t see us doing good works, when will they learn that God created me to do good works? How do we teach Ephesians 2 if we\u2019re not living it out in front of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, the reality of it is that the discipleship ministry does come with something of an expiration date or, at least, a period where it wanes at the end of life. If you haven\u2019t been doing anything else, other than discipling your kids, when that hits\u2014a lot of husbands and wives look at each other and say: \u201cWho are you?\u201d and \u201cDo we have any purpose together anymore?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I cry just about every time one of my kids goes back to the airport. A few days ago, after vacation, I dropped my oldest daughter off. I thought leaving was a onetime thing\u2014you cry when your kid goes away to college or you cry at the wedding. The reality is\u2014because of the life that God has given to Lisa and me\u2014in many ways, life is easier because He\u2019s given us so much more to focus on and so much more to do.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just so grateful for the purpose we have that fills that hole of our kids leaving the home. There might be some couples that have been caught by surprise. They became empty nesters and: \u201cIs this really all there is? I mean, is there really nothing more?\u201d That\u2019s when you can double down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I mention in <em>A<\/em> <em>Lifelong Love<\/em> is the story of William Tyndale, who was burned for\u2014and this will <em>shock<\/em> people\u2014<em>by the church<\/em> for translating the Bible. At the time, that was considered a treasonous offence. His life mission was this\u2014he boldly told the clergymen, \u201cIf God spare my life, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the Scripture than you do.\u201d God used Tyndale to launch, ultimately, you could argue, what became the Reformation\u2014and what we take for granted today\u2014that there\u2019s a Bible in just about every Christian home and in many non-Christian homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a helpful exercise\u2014it\u2019d be a <em>great <\/em>date-night exercise, for couples listening, to just get away at a restaurant and say: \u201cHow would we finish this sentence? If God spares our life\u2026what will be different about the world?\u201d Maybe it\u2019ll have to do with coaching athletics. Maybe it will be the testimony we have about building a business together\u2014who we hire and how \/ what we do with the profits. Maybe it\u2019ll be about education, or the arts, or working with the local church. \u201cWhat do you think God is uniquely called you together to do, and gifted you to do, so that the world will be a different place because you lived?\u201d Ultimately\u2014here\u2019s the irony\u2014that will give you the happiest life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re really talking about passion\u2014what fuels our imagination? What gets us out of bed in the morning? I think, for a lot of couples, what you\u2019re asking them to do, right now\u2014I think it\u2019s a hard question because they haven\u2019t pulled back and evaluated\u2014over their period of being married together, whether that be a few years or many years: \u201cWhat have we found ourselves pounding the table about, as a couple? What have we found ourselves going, \u2018Somebody has got to do something!\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019ve got to address <em>all<\/em> of the burning fires in the culture. It just means you have to find <em>one.<\/em> Find your fire that you\u2019re supposed to put out and extinguish, or something you\u2019re supposed to build, or do, or create; and then go do it together. Any other advice you\u2019d have for a couple that\u2019s starting down this journey, trying to determine, \u201cWhat is our mission together, as a couple?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019ve seen that work in a lot of different ways. Sometimes, I see people working, side by side. A couple we knew\u2014one was a coach at a high school athletic team and his wife was sort of his right-hand person. They did it together. She wasn\u2019t officially a coach but, in all practicality, she was\u2014and they had this together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve seen some\u2014where the woman took the lead\u2014a writer and speaker, where her husband was the support \/ he took care of the business end. He made everything work so that she could go and do the ministry she did. I\u2019ve seen that reversed, where the husband did it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think God is very creative in calling couples together. The important thing is to support each other \/ to encourage each other. I couldn\u2019t agree with you more, Dennis\u2014it\u2019s about the passion that God has given you. It\u2019s about the passion that you feel like you can have together\u2014fulfilling that. What keeps you up, at night, thinking: \u201cWhat can we do tomorrow to make it happen? We need a reason to wake up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want all the listeners, who are listening to us right now, to jump on this; but I am looking for about a million. I am looking for about a million who raise their hand and say: \u201cYou know what? I agree with you.\u201d Here\u2019s what it is\u2014marriage and family are under attack today as never before in our nation, at any point in our country\u2019s history. It\u2019s under attack. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can easily say: \u201cOh that\u2019s FamilyLife\u2019s problem,\u201d \u201cOh that\u2019s another organizations problem,\u201d \u201cOh, that\u2019s another group\u2019s responsibility.\u201d Instead, I think the solution to the problem is for many hands, all across the nation\u2014just like Nehemiah called the people to rebuild the broken wall. That\u2019s what the family is\u2014it\u2019s a broken wall that\u2019s down right now. It needs to be rebuilt because, like a wall, a family protects a nation from the outside invasions that can come at it. So, what I\u2019m looking for is about a million people, who\u2019ll say: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019d like to start an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> small group Bible study in our home,\u201d \u201c\u2026.in our church,\u201d \u201c\u2026.at our place of work for our employees,\u201d\u2014maybe\u2014\u201c\u2026.for some of the parents of the kids your kids go to school with.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you decide: \u201cYou know what? You guys have created a tool that makes it very easy. I don\u2019t have to go to seminary \/ I don\u2019t have to go away and get trained.\u201d This is a plug-and-play small group study. If you can lead a conversation, you can lead a small group through the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Or maybe it\u2019s the <em>Art of Marriage Connect<\/em>\u2014a small group Bible study that many have started after they\u2019ve been through the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Maybe you\u2019re familiar with it around the title <em>Homebuilders<\/em>. We\u2019ve had over three million people go through the <em>Homebuilders<\/em> Bible study since 1986. We\u2019ve redesigned it and shortened it for this generation of folks. There are eight different books that all talk about various needs\u2014communication, responsibilities of a husband\/a wife, building your mate\u2019s self esteem\u2014different topics that you can grab hold of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe issue is: \u201cWhat\u2019s your passion? What are you going to do, as a couple?\u201d If marriage and family are yours, you know what we\u2019d like to do? We\u2019d like to empower <em>you<\/em> to make a difference where you live. This is not about us doing it\u2014it\u2019s a matter of us helping <em>you<\/em> be effective in doing it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019m a huge fan of the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> series. Here\u2019s the thing\u2014I believe biblical counseling is so important; but many times the best defense is a good offense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I believe there are a lot of couples out there\u2014the best thing they can do for a listless struggling marriage is to go on the offense\u2014sponsor\u2014like you said, it\u2019s laid out. You don\u2019t need to feel intimidated\u2014it\u2019s right there. You lead a discussion, you plug it in, you turn it on, and you have the coffee ready to go. That will actually do more, I believe, to restore, not only the marriages of people who you are trying to reach, but the people who are sponsoring it\u2014doing something together\/praying for the people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know why it works but, when you join around a mission\u2014it\u2019s what happens. It happened to me, in high school, in cross country teams\u2014those guys\u2014even though I haven\u2019t talked to some in a couple of decades\u2014when you face that contest together\u2014it happens when men go to battle together. There\u2019s something about joining around a purpose greater than yourself that creates a sense of loyalty and intimacy that nothing else can really match. That\u2019s what this mission can do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Those couples that don\u2019t have what you\u2019re talking about\u2014that don\u2019t have a common mission\u2014they\u2019ll get to a point in life, where they\u2019re just kind of looking at each other and going: \u201cWhy are you here? Why am I here?\u201d and the life goes out of their marriage; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> It does. Sometimes, I read obituaries. I don\u2019t want to sound judgmental\u2014but one of the saddest ones was just an obituary of a guy. It talked about how he was buried with one of his favorite clubs, and he had a 3 handicap, which he played a lot. I\u2019ve golfed\u2014I think everybody needs their recreation\u2014but I just thought: \u201cYou know, if that\u2019s the story of your life, and your handicap dies with you, what are you leaving behind? You get deleted from the computer\u2014now the handicap no longer matters.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing about some marriages. You live for your happiness\u2014okay then, fine\u2014you die and what is left? I do believe the day\u2019s going to come when you\u2019re going to wake up and say, \u201cIsn\u2019t there really more to life than this?\u201d I think what we\u2019re saying is, \u201cYes, there is much more!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If fact, you say, in the book\u2014that if a couple will live with the perspective that there is a final day coming, that will have a dramatic impact on how they live together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>Second Corinthians 5:10 should drive every Christian\u2019s life. Paul says we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. Now, that word, \u201cbad,\u201d in the Greek probably would better be translated \u201cworthless.\u201d There\u2019s a different word Paul could have used if he meant evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the Bema Seat\u2014that theologians would say. It\u2019s not the judgments of Christians or non-Christians\u2014that\u2019s a whole different thing\u2014that\u2019s the finished work of Christ that takes care of that. This is the Judgment Seat of Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Paul says each one of us will appear where God will reward us according to what we have done with the faith. That has transformed my view of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we go back to yesterday\u2019s discussion about love, how relevant this is\u2014on that day\u2014when I\u2019m facing Jesus, He won\u2019t ask me: \u201cGary, did Lisa know your love language, and use it? Did she know, as a man, you need respect and respect you? Did she know your needs and seek to meet them?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I was obsessed with, as a young husband. Instead, on that day, which will stamp my eternity, Jesus will say: \u201cGary, did you know Lisa, My daughter\u2019s, love language and meet it? Did you know, as a woman, she needed to be adored and cherished? Did you adore and cherish her? Did you know her needs and seek to bless her according to those needs?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to think a good day was when I was noticed, and appreciated, and thanked; but that\u2019s living for this life. If I live for the Bema Seat of Christ, a good day\u2019s when I can notice, when I can appreciate, when I can serve. It begins with marriage but it goes out into communities. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother way of looking at this is sort of like when you do your taxes at the end of the year. As a speaker\/as a writer, I get different checks from different places. I always rejoice, \u201cAnother check\u2014good, we have bills to pay.\u201d Then I try to be a cheerful giver but, sometimes, there\u2019s a little bit of wincing, \u201cI\u2019m giving this\u2014we could use this for that,\u201d or whatnot. At the end of the year, it\u2019s entirely different because I\u2019m adding up how much I\u2019ve earned and I\u2019m like, \u201cMore and more taxes.\u201d Then I add up how much I\u2019ve given and it is like, \u201cOkay, the tax break!\u201d I am rejoicing over what I was frustrated with, and I\u2019m frustrated over what I was rejoicing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the Judgment Seat of Christ will be like that. We might say: \u201cMan! I really want to watch that game\u2014I\u2019m going to go paint that widow\u2019s fence.\u201d At the Judgment Seat of Christ, we\u2019ll say, \u201cI\u2019m so glad I made that choice!\u201d or \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI really wanted to buy that new set of clubs. Instead, I helped out a single mom.\u201d At the Judgment Seat of Christ, we\u2019re going to say, \u201cThat was the best use of that money.\u201d That\u2019s reality\u2014the Judgment Seat will happen. It is so emphatic in the Greek\u2014each one of us <em>must appear<\/em> before the Judgment Seat of Christ\u2014so that <em>each one<\/em>\u2014it will happen. Paul urges us: \u201cLive for <em>that<\/em> day, not this day\u201d; and that\u2019s what mission is all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There will be an appointment\u2014there really will be\u2014and there is a conclusion to it. I have to say two things in finishing up today. Number one: When I die, they will bury my clubs but not with me. They don\u2019t belong in my casket because I wasn\u2019t very good at using them when I was alive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I bury my clubs in the lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If they still exist by then. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other observation I\u2019d make is: There isn\u2019t a couple, listening to us today, or a single, for that matter, who doesn\u2019t need to lift their view of marriage out of the cultural definitions and the way the culture has dumbed this whole thing down\u2014and how even the Christian community has contributed to this, frankly\u2014talking about happy marriages. They need to recalibrate. They need to think about marriage as God designed it and as you\u2019ve exhorted us to do here\u2014to know how to really love the other person well, to be on task, to be on mission to fulfill the assignment God\u2019s given you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd to do that, they need to read their Bible; but it would be good if, right next to their Bible, as they read it, they had a copy of your book, Gary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> At least for a week or so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019m not sure they\u2019d need it put there all the time\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Not there all of the time\u2014not permanently. Well, they may\u2014some may have come from situations, where they feel like: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I need to review this for more than a week.\u201d You\u2019ve done a great job on this. You\u2019re a great friend and appreciate you coming on our broadcast. Hope you\u2019ll come back soon and join us again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Thank you so much, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We do have copies of Gary\u2019s book <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today <\/em>Resource Center. We hope that our listeners will get a copy. You can go to FamilyLIfeToday.com and click in the upper left-hand corner of the screen, where it says, GO DEEPER.\u201d That\u2019ll take you right to the spot where you can order a copy of Gary\u2019s book from us, online. Again, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014click the link in the upper left-hand corner that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d and order <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em> from Gary Thomas; or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, throughout our conversation today Dennis, I\u2019ve been thinking about a question that you asked me, back at the very beginning \/ back more than 22 years ago. We were talking about marriage and family and \u201cHow important is it?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember you used to like to ask people: \u201cDoes marriage and family\u2014does it make you weep and pound the table? Is it something that you get passionate about?\u201d I answered that question when you asked me\u2014I said: \u201cWhat\u2019s on the heart of God is what makes me weep and pound the table. So, to the extent that marriage and family is on the heart of God, yes, it makes me weep and pound the table.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I didn\u2019t realize, at the time, I don\u2019t think, is how much marriage and family is on the heart of God\u2014how central it is to everything that God has for us. Everybody comes into the world in the context of some kind of family structure. Family is how we relate to one another in life. If we\u2019re going to love our neighbor, it has to start with our husband\/our wife, our brothers\/our sisters, our moms\/our dads. That\u2019s what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is all about\u2014we want to help people effectively develop <em>godly<\/em> marriages and families. We want to see every home become a godly home. We hope that these daily programs help you get a different vision for your marriage and your family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, these programs are made possible by folks, just like you, who believe this is important, along with us. They help support this ministry by donating to help us cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program and help support the other outreaches of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re grateful for those of you who do partner with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to ask those of you, who\u2019ve never made a donation: \u201cWould you consider going, online, today? Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u2018I CARE,\u2019 and make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and say: \u2018I\u2019m in. 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What does it look like to live in a marriage and family with eternity in view? We\u2019ll explore that today with Gary Thomas. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I have to tell you\u2014I was looking at one of the themes that is addressed in Gary Thomas\u2019 book, <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em>\u2014and Gary\u2019s back with us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Gary, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> It\u2019s so good to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the theme, Dennis, is the theme of husbands and wives being on mission together. In fact, Gary quotes a guest we had on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, more than two decades ago\u2014Kevin Miller\u2014you remember?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014wrote a book called <em>More Than You and Me<\/em> about husbands and wives being on mission together. I came across that section and I thought, \u201cDennis is going to be all over this,\u201d\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I just <em>knew<\/em> you would be pounding the table on this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor some of our listeners, who don\u2019t know Gary Thomas\u2014he is a prolific writer, preacher from Second Baptist church. He and his wife Lisa live in Houston, Texas, where Second Baptist is located. You talk about, in your book, <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em>, about a magnificent obsession. I have to tell you\u2014when I read that in your book, I went, \u201cThat\u2019s a great way to put it!\u201d Every couple <em>needs<\/em> a magnificent obsession. You do use the illustration of Kevin Miller and his wife\u2014and how they wandered about for a while but how they have finely found that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> They just experienced what most couples would experience after the infatuation begins to die down. All of a sudden, they\u2019re like: \u201cIs this all it is? I mean, it\u2019s become routine.\u201d In his case, he took over a youth group that had a number of, let\u2019s just say, unruly kids, at best, and\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was one of them, by the way!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Could have been! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> The thing that astonished them is they found it began to pull their marriage together. Suddenly, they were <em>forced<\/em> to pray as they\u2019d never prayed before. They felt like they were in over their heads. They were in a place where they <em>knew<\/em> they couldn\u2019t just do this on their own. There were something about being together now\u2014facing this together \/ working together\u2014they started to have more conversations because they had something to have conversations about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey had a purpose bigger than themselves that drew them together. The irony is that giving themselves to a ministry renewed their marriage and gave them sort of a second wind to appreciate each other, to enjoy each other, and feel closer together. I quote them in my book, where Kevin\u2019s wife, Karen, says this: \u201cWe hunger for this today\u201d\u2014speaking of joint mission\u2014\u201ccooperating together, meshing, working like a mountain climbing team ascending the peak of our dream, and then holding each other at the end of the day.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod has planted this hunger deep within every married couple. It\u2019s more than a hunger for companionship. It\u2019s more than a hunger to create new life. It\u2019s a third hunger\u2014a hunger to do something significant together. According to God\u2019s Word, we were joined to make a difference\u2014we were married for a mission.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Ephesians 2:10 is what I like to preach and share with folks when I come to this subject right here\u2014we were created by God: \u201cWe are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus, for good works\u2026\u201d You have been designed by God for good works\u2014which it says: \u201cHe has prepared beforehand that you should walk in them.\u201d This is a transcendent mission \/ a transcendent work that each of you have, as individuals, but also, because you\u2019re husband and wife and you are joined together, you have a mission, as a couple. The question is: \u201cWhat is it?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> What that Ephesians passage tells us is, Dennis\u2014that if you have a couple that are having date nights, having regular times of intimacy, enjoying themselves, creating good meals, but they\u2019re not waking up, saying, \u201cWhat good works can we do?\u201d there\u2019re not doing what God created them to do. We were created, in Christ Jesus, to do <em>good works<\/em>. A couple that is living for themselves is not doing what God created them to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> My wife and I\u2014I think, if we were to look back on the first two-and-a-half, maybe three decades of our marriage together, and I was to say, \u201cWhat was our common mission that we had, as a couple?\u201d We were involved in a discipleship ministry with five individuals that we were discipling on a daily basis; okay? Those five have now grown and are out of our house. Four of the five are married to spouses. Honestly, our common mission, for years, was the discipleship of those kids. Don\u2019t you think that\u2019s the center of most couples\u2019 marriages, and is that a sufficient mission for a husband and wife?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s an <em>essential <\/em>mission\u2014let me begin with that. One of the best gifts any married person can give to the church, and to God\u2019s kingdom, are men and women raised in the faith\u2014raised in a stable home that honors God\u2014that grows up with the sense of mission. It\u2019s really one of the best things that we can do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI love the way Elton Trueblood talked about this when he said we live our life in chapters. You have the chapter of your life as a single person, the chapter of being a young married, the chapter of raising kids, the chapter of your empty nest years, and the chapter of your retirement years and beyond. You don\u2019t look at your life according to one chapter\u2014your life is this one long story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I do think that\u2019s a significant mission; but I would say this Bob\u2014it still needs to be a view of mission, as you raise your kids. We\u2019re not raising our kids just to be happy, just to be successful, just to look good at the end-of-the-year Christmas letter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re raising them with that sense of mission. We\u2019re raising them to believe in good works, which is why I don\u2019t think it\u2019s sufficient, in its own, in this sense. If they don\u2019t see us doing good works, when will they learn that God created me to do good works? How do we teach Ephesians 2 if we\u2019re not living it out in front of them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, the reality of it is that the discipleship ministry does come with something of an expiration date or, at least, a period where it wanes at the end of life. If you haven\u2019t been doing anything else, other than discipling your kids, when that hits\u2014a lot of husbands and wives look at each other and say: \u201cWho are you?\u201d and \u201cDo we have any purpose together anymore?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I cry just about every time one of my kids goes back to the airport. A few days ago, after vacation, I dropped my oldest daughter off. I thought leaving was a onetime thing\u2014you cry when your kid goes away to college or you cry at the wedding. The reality is\u2014because of the life that God has given to Lisa and me\u2014in many ways, life is easier because He\u2019s given us so much more to focus on and so much more to do.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just so grateful for the purpose we have that fills that hole of our kids leaving the home. There might be some couples that have been caught by surprise. They became empty nesters and: \u201cIs this really all there is? I mean, is there really nothing more?\u201d That\u2019s when you can double down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I mention in <em>A<\/em> <em>Lifelong Love<\/em> is the story of William Tyndale, who was burned for\u2014and this will <em>shock<\/em> people\u2014<em>by the church<\/em> for translating the Bible. At the time, that was considered a treasonous offence. His life mission was this\u2014he boldly told the clergymen, \u201cIf God spare my life, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the Scripture than you do.\u201d God used Tyndale to launch, ultimately, you could argue, what became the Reformation\u2014and what we take for granted today\u2014that there\u2019s a Bible in just about every Christian home and in many non-Christian homes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a helpful exercise\u2014it\u2019d be a <em>great <\/em>date-night exercise, for couples listening, to just get away at a restaurant and say: \u201cHow would we finish this sentence? If God spares our life\u2026what will be different about the world?\u201d Maybe it\u2019ll have to do with coaching athletics. Maybe it will be the testimony we have about building a business together\u2014who we hire and how \/ what we do with the profits. Maybe it\u2019ll be about education, or the arts, or working with the local church. \u201cWhat do you think God is uniquely called you together to do, and gifted you to do, so that the world will be a different place because you lived?\u201d Ultimately\u2014here\u2019s the irony\u2014that will give you the happiest life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re really talking about passion\u2014what fuels our imagination? What gets us out of bed in the morning? I think, for a lot of couples, what you\u2019re asking them to do, right now\u2014I think it\u2019s a hard question because they haven\u2019t pulled back and evaluated\u2014over their period of being married together, whether that be a few years or many years: \u201cWhat have we found ourselves pounding the table about, as a couple? What have we found ourselves going, \u2018Somebody has got to do something!\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019ve got to address <em>all<\/em> of the burning fires in the culture. It just means you have to find <em>one.<\/em> Find your fire that you\u2019re supposed to put out and extinguish, or something you\u2019re supposed to build, or do, or create; and then go do it together. Any other advice you\u2019d have for a couple that\u2019s starting down this journey, trying to determine, \u201cWhat is our mission together, as a couple?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019ve seen that work in a lot of different ways. Sometimes, I see people working, side by side. A couple we knew\u2014one was a coach at a high school athletic team and his wife was sort of his right-hand person. They did it together. She wasn\u2019t officially a coach but, in all practicality, she was\u2014and they had this together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve seen some\u2014where the woman took the lead\u2014a writer and speaker, where her husband was the support \/ he took care of the business end. He made everything work so that she could go and do the ministry she did. I\u2019ve seen that reversed, where the husband did it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think God is very creative in calling couples together. The important thing is to support each other \/ to encourage each other. I couldn\u2019t agree with you more, Dennis\u2014it\u2019s about the passion that God has given you. It\u2019s about the passion that you feel like you can have together\u2014fulfilling that. What keeps you up, at night, thinking: \u201cWhat can we do tomorrow to make it happen? We need a reason to wake up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t want all the listeners, who are listening to us right now, to jump on this; but I am looking for about a million. I am looking for about a million who raise their hand and say: \u201cYou know what? I agree with you.\u201d Here\u2019s what it is\u2014marriage and family are under attack today as never before in our nation, at any point in our country\u2019s history. It\u2019s under attack. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can easily say: \u201cOh that\u2019s FamilyLife\u2019s problem,\u201d \u201cOh that\u2019s another organizations problem,\u201d \u201cOh, that\u2019s another group\u2019s responsibility.\u201d Instead, I think the solution to the problem is for many hands, all across the nation\u2014just like Nehemiah called the people to rebuild the broken wall. That\u2019s what the family is\u2014it\u2019s a broken wall that\u2019s down right now. It needs to be rebuilt because, like a wall, a family protects a nation from the outside invasions that can come at it. So, what I\u2019m looking for is about a million people, who\u2019ll say: \u201cYou know what? I\u2019d like to start an <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> small group Bible study in our home,\u201d \u201c\u2026.in our church,\u201d \u201c\u2026.at our place of work for our employees,\u201d\u2014maybe\u2014\u201c\u2026.for some of the parents of the kids your kids go to school with.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you decide: \u201cYou know what? You guys have created a tool that makes it very easy. I don\u2019t have to go to seminary \/ I don\u2019t have to go away and get trained.\u201d This is a plug-and-play small group study. If you can lead a conversation, you can lead a small group through the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Or maybe it\u2019s the <em>Art of Marriage Connect<\/em>\u2014a small group Bible study that many have started after they\u2019ve been through the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. Maybe you\u2019re familiar with it around the title <em>Homebuilders<\/em>. We\u2019ve had over three million people go through the <em>Homebuilders<\/em> Bible study since 1986. We\u2019ve redesigned it and shortened it for this generation of folks. There are eight different books that all talk about various needs\u2014communication, responsibilities of a husband\/a wife, building your mate\u2019s self esteem\u2014different topics that you can grab hold of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe issue is: \u201cWhat\u2019s your passion? What are you going to do, as a couple?\u201d If marriage and family are yours, you know what we\u2019d like to do? We\u2019d like to empower <em>you<\/em> to make a difference where you live. This is not about us doing it\u2014it\u2019s a matter of us helping <em>you<\/em> be effective in doing it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019m a huge fan of the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> series. Here\u2019s the thing\u2014I believe biblical counseling is so important; but many times the best defense is a good offense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I believe there are a lot of couples out there\u2014the best thing they can do for a listless struggling marriage is to go on the offense\u2014sponsor\u2014like you said, it\u2019s laid out. You don\u2019t need to feel intimidated\u2014it\u2019s right there. You lead a discussion, you plug it in, you turn it on, and you have the coffee ready to go. That will actually do more, I believe, to restore, not only the marriages of people who you are trying to reach, but the people who are sponsoring it\u2014doing something together\/praying for the people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know why it works but, when you join around a mission\u2014it\u2019s what happens. It happened to me, in high school, in cross country teams\u2014those guys\u2014even though I haven\u2019t talked to some in a couple of decades\u2014when you face that contest together\u2014it happens when men go to battle together. There\u2019s something about joining around a purpose greater than yourself that creates a sense of loyalty and intimacy that nothing else can really match. That\u2019s what this mission can do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Those couples that don\u2019t have what you\u2019re talking about\u2014that don\u2019t have a common mission\u2014they\u2019ll get to a point in life, where they\u2019re just kind of looking at each other and going: \u201cWhy are you here? Why am I here?\u201d and the life goes out of their marriage; doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> It does. Sometimes, I read obituaries. I don\u2019t want to sound judgmental\u2014but one of the saddest ones was just an obituary of a guy. It talked about how he was buried with one of his favorite clubs, and he had a 3 handicap, which he played a lot. I\u2019ve golfed\u2014I think everybody needs their recreation\u2014but I just thought: \u201cYou know, if that\u2019s the story of your life, and your handicap dies with you, what are you leaving behind? You get deleted from the computer\u2014now the handicap no longer matters.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the thing about some marriages. You live for your happiness\u2014okay then, fine\u2014you die and what is left? I do believe the day\u2019s going to come when you\u2019re going to wake up and say, \u201cIsn\u2019t there really more to life than this?\u201d I think what we\u2019re saying is, \u201cYes, there is much more!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If fact, you say, in the book\u2014that if a couple will live with the perspective that there is a final day coming, that will have a dramatic impact on how they live together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary: <\/strong>Second Corinthians 5:10 should drive every Christian\u2019s life. Paul says we must all appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad. Now, that word, \u201cbad,\u201d in the Greek probably would better be translated \u201cworthless.\u201d There\u2019s a different word Paul could have used if he meant evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s the Bema Seat\u2014that theologians would say. It\u2019s not the judgments of Christians or non-Christians\u2014that\u2019s a whole different thing\u2014that\u2019s the finished work of Christ that takes care of that. This is the Judgment Seat of Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Paul says each one of us will appear where God will reward us according to what we have done with the faith. That has transformed my view of marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we go back to yesterday\u2019s discussion about love, how relevant this is\u2014on that day\u2014when I\u2019m facing Jesus, He won\u2019t ask me: \u201cGary, did Lisa know your love language, and use it? Did she know, as a man, you need respect and respect you? Did she know your needs and seek to meet them?\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I was obsessed with, as a young husband. Instead, on that day, which will stamp my eternity, Jesus will say: \u201cGary, did you know Lisa, My daughter\u2019s, love language and meet it? Did you know, as a woman, she needed to be adored and cherished? Did you adore and cherish her? Did you know her needs and seek to bless her according to those needs?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI used to think a good day was when I was noticed, and appreciated, and thanked; but that\u2019s living for this life. If I live for the Bema Seat of Christ, a good day\u2019s when I can notice, when I can appreciate, when I can serve. It begins with marriage but it goes out into communities. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother way of looking at this is sort of like when you do your taxes at the end of the year. As a speaker\/as a writer, I get different checks from different places. I always rejoice, \u201cAnother check\u2014good, we have bills to pay.\u201d Then I try to be a cheerful giver but, sometimes, there\u2019s a little bit of wincing, \u201cI\u2019m giving this\u2014we could use this for that,\u201d or whatnot. At the end of the year, it\u2019s entirely different because I\u2019m adding up how much I\u2019ve earned and I\u2019m like, \u201cMore and more taxes.\u201d Then I add up how much I\u2019ve given and it is like, \u201cOkay, the tax break!\u201d I am rejoicing over what I was frustrated with, and I\u2019m frustrated over what I was rejoicing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the Judgment Seat of Christ will be like that. We might say: \u201cMan! I really want to watch that game\u2014I\u2019m going to go paint that widow\u2019s fence.\u201d At the Judgment Seat of Christ, we\u2019ll say, \u201cI\u2019m so glad I made that choice!\u201d or \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI really wanted to buy that new set of clubs. Instead, I helped out a single mom.\u201d At the Judgment Seat of Christ, we\u2019re going to say, \u201cThat was the best use of that money.\u201d That\u2019s reality\u2014the Judgment Seat will happen. It is so emphatic in the Greek\u2014each one of us <em>must appear<\/em> before the Judgment Seat of Christ\u2014so that <em>each one<\/em>\u2014it will happen. Paul urges us: \u201cLive for <em>that<\/em> day, not this day\u201d; and that\u2019s what mission is all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There will be an appointment\u2014there really will be\u2014and there is a conclusion to it. I have to say two things in finishing up today. Number one: When I die, they will bury my clubs but not with me. They don\u2019t belong in my casket because I wasn\u2019t very good at using them when I was alive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I bury my clubs in the lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> If they still exist by then. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other observation I\u2019d make is: There isn\u2019t a couple, listening to us today, or a single, for that matter, who doesn\u2019t need to lift their view of marriage out of the cultural definitions and the way the culture has dumbed this whole thing down\u2014and how even the Christian community has contributed to this, frankly\u2014talking about happy marriages. They need to recalibrate. They need to think about marriage as God designed it and as you\u2019ve exhorted us to do here\u2014to know how to really love the other person well, to be on task, to be on mission to fulfill the assignment God\u2019s given you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd to do that, they need to read their Bible; but it would be good if, right next to their Bible, as they read it, they had a copy of your book, Gary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> At least for a week or so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> I\u2019m not sure they\u2019d need it put there all the time\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Not there all of the time\u2014not permanently. Well, they may\u2014some may have come from situations, where they feel like: \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 I need to review this for more than a week.\u201d You\u2019ve done a great job on this. You\u2019re a great friend and appreciate you coming on our broadcast. Hope you\u2019ll come back soon and join us again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Gary:<\/strong> Thank you so much, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We do have copies of Gary\u2019s book <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em> in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today <\/em>Resource Center. We hope that our listeners will get a copy. You can go to FamilyLIfeToday.com and click in the upper left-hand corner of the screen, where it says, GO DEEPER.\u201d That\u2019ll take you right to the spot where you can order a copy of Gary\u2019s book from us, online. Again, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014click the link in the upper left-hand corner that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d and order <em>A Lifelong Love<\/em> from Gary Thomas; or call to order: 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, throughout our conversation today Dennis, I\u2019ve been thinking about a question that you asked me, back at the very beginning \/ back more than 22 years ago. We were talking about marriage and family and \u201cHow important is it?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember you used to like to ask people: \u201cDoes marriage and family\u2014does it make you weep and pound the table? Is it something that you get passionate about?\u201d I answered that question when you asked me\u2014I said: \u201cWhat\u2019s on the heart of God is what makes me weep and pound the table. So, to the extent that marriage and family is on the heart of God, yes, it makes me weep and pound the table.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I didn\u2019t realize, at the time, I don\u2019t think, is how much marriage and family is on the heart of God\u2014how central it is to everything that God has for us. Everybody comes into the world in the context of some kind of family structure. Family is how we relate to one another in life. If we\u2019re going to love our neighbor, it has to start with our husband\/our wife, our brothers\/our sisters, our moms\/our dads. That\u2019s what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is all about\u2014we want to help people effectively develop <em>godly<\/em> marriages and families. We want to see every home become a godly home. We hope that these daily programs help you get a different vision for your marriage and your family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, these programs are made possible by folks, just like you, who believe this is important, along with us. They help support this ministry by donating to help us cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program and help support the other outreaches of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re grateful for those of you who do partner with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019d like to ask those of you, who\u2019ve never made a donation: \u201cWould you consider going, online, today? Go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u2018I CARE,\u2019 and make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and say: \u2018I\u2019m in. 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