{"id":303427,"date":"2015-03-19T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-03-19T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter\/"},"modified":"2015-03-19T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-03-19T15:00:00","slug":"its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter\/","title":{"rendered":"It&#8217;s Beginning to Look a Lot Like &#8230; Easter"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Barbara Rainey reminds listeners that you can go deeper into this holiday than you ever imagined.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-03-19.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.82M","filesize_raw":"23927608","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2824],"tags":[5625,5330,2699,4111,5627,5626],"podcast_series":[8070],"cwp_profile":[3052],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303427","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-easter-and-lent","tag-easter-holiday","tag-forgive","tag-forgiveness","tag-repentance","tag-what-is-lent","tag-when-does-lent-start","podcast_series-reclaiming-easter","cwp_profile-barbara-rainey","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303427\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303427\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"dkZc1D2PGP\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter\/\">It&#8217;s Beginning to Look a Lot Like &#8230; Easter<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-beginning-to-look-a-lot-like-easter\/embed\/#?secret=dkZc1D2PGP\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;It&#8217;s Beginning to Look a Lot Like &#8230; Easter&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"dkZc1D2PGP\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Here\u2019s Barbara Rainey. <br><br><strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of those little pieces in the story of Easter that, every time I read it, I get chills because it says, at the moment that Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple was torn, from top to bottom. Now, think about a curtain that is four to six inches thick and sixty to ninety inches tall\u2014and all of a sudden, there is this thunderous sound; and the curtain is being torn in two\u2014and it was the moment that Christ breathed His last. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, March 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 There are a lot of little details in the story of Jesus\u2019s death, and burial, and resurrection; and all of them are important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk more today about how we can dig deeper into the biblical account of the greatest moment in all of human history. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Just found myself, this week, kind of thinking [Singing], \u201cIt\u2019s beginning to look a lot like Easter.\u201d\u00a0 I guess\u2014haven\u2019t you wanted to sing a few Easter carols? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Why don\u2019t you write us a song that would kind of capture that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have some songs\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve written all kinds of songs\u2014Legacy Partner songs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have written those, but I think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, by the way, I just want to give a shout out to Legacy Partners. Thanks for standing with us. This is an important ministry to you and your family, but it\u2019s also an important ministry to our nation. I think our nation needs all the help it can get when it comes to marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>We are focused this week on the coming celebration of Easter. It\u2019s just right around the corner\u2014trying to help families get in the Easter mood and not just wait until the week before and go: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOh, yes, Easter is coming up. I guess we should do something about it,\u201d but be in the mindset here, weeks in front of the holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re very intentional about Christmas. We spend <em>lots<\/em> of time making our lists and just countless things that we do to be intentional at Christmas. I think we need to capture some of that intentionality and use it toward Easter. My hope is that we can help you and your family find some ways to be intentional this year so that Easter for you and your family, this year, is much more meaningful than it ever has been in the past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Millions of our listeners know that\u2019s the voice of my wife, Barbara. There are probably two that didn\u2019t recognize it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Two people who are going, \u201cWho\u2019s she?\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But she\u2019s back, again, today on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back, Sweetheart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Earlier, Bob kind of came into the studio and he remarked about what you see on the table. It really is the result of close to three years of work that you\u2019ve been at\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014trying to bring great teachings of the Scripture to people\u2019s homes, around the major Christian holidays that we celebrate\u2014to help families prepare both their home and their hearts for the reason for the season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I know there is so much more to the Easter story\u2014in fact, to all of the stories in the Bible\u2014than we know and appreciate. One of the things that I am hoping to do is to help families understand more of the story. I think, because we\u2019re so familiar with it, we think it\u2019s kind of old hat, or it\u2019s boring, or \u201cOh, I know this story.\u201d\u00a0 And yet, there is so much more to it than we know. I think it helps elevate our celebration when we know more about what happened on the cross and all of the events that surrounded the first Easter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Over the years, you\u2019ve designed decorative elements that can be used in the home, whether it\u2019s a banner you can put on your front door that says, \u201cI am the Resurrection and the Life,\u201d a chain garland that can hold cards that talk about the \u201cI Am\u201d statements from John: \u201cI am the Door,\u201d \u201cI am the Good Shepherd,\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI am the Bread of Life,\u201d \u201cI am the Light of the World.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year, one of the new things you\u2019ve developed is what you are referring to as conversation cards. Explain what these are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, I think that all of us\u2014women especially\u2014when we go to the trouble to set a really nice table, we\u2019re hoping that we can have a meaningful meal. We go to that trouble because we are <em>hoping<\/em> that we can capture something that will be memorable\u2014something that will kind of hang with us. That\u2019s why we do traditions. That\u2019s why we repeat recipes and all of that. It\u2019s a way of binding us together, as a family, and it knits our hearts together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that I wanted to do was help families, help couples, help moms and dads initiate meaningful conversation around your Easter brunch, or your Easter lunch, or Easter dinner because\u2014we can set a beautiful table but, then, if we sit and talk about sports, or we talk about homework, or we\u2014the kids break into a fight, we lost it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe lost that element that we were trying to create. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, sometimes, we all need prompts \/ we need reminders. We need some kind of a little nudge to help us have a meaningful conversation or to help us talk about things that <em>really matter<\/em> because we want to\u2014we just don\u2019t know how to get there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A few years ago, you created napkin ties that had a question on them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that folks can\u2014you called it Untie Your Story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you would take one of these napkin ties and untie the silverware. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got one here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got one too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Mine says: \u201cBeing grateful is not always easy. What makes it so difficult at times?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mine says, \u201cDescribe one of your favorite teachers, as a child, and what made him or her remarkable.\u201d\u00a0 The idea is just: \u201cHere is a question that takes the conversation beyond the mundane\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014into something that\u2019s a little more meaningful.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But now, the conversation cards take it even a step farther; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right because the conversation cards\u2014there are eight of them that come in a package, and there are two ways you can do them. I designed them so that you would put one on each plate. You may have more than eight people so you can share\u2014however you want to do it\u2014but the idea is to read these around the table and talk about some of these lesser-known stories about the first Easter to help us spark conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut they are also designed to help us worship more for what Christ did for us on the cross because, again, I think we can become complacent and we can become dull to the story. So, when you hear more about what really happened, it opens your eyes and there is more of a sense of wonder and awe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Each of these cards is, basically, a 60-second devotional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Very quick. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can read what\u2019s on the card, and then, there may be a discussion question or something that you can follow up on it with. But, again, it\u2019s the idea to have something spiritually significant\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a part of your Easter meal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is where I think a lot of us fail. In fact, we don\u2019t know how to bridge from good food and from talk of the weather and the latest thing that\u2019s happened with your sports team that\u2019s going well or not going so well. We don\u2019t know how to get to the real message of Easter. What Barbara has done\u2014you used the word, \u201cprompt.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s really a prompt\u2014it will engage each person as they read it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike this first one is \u201cLight of the World.\u201d\u00a0 And I\u2019ll just read it here\u2014this is how it happened. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhile Jesus lived on earth, a grand and glorious Temple stood in the center of Jerusalem as the heart of the Jewish city life. Within the Court of Women, stood four sumptuously-gilded candelabra, over 70 feet in height. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the evenings, during feast times, a lamp-lighting ceremony reminded the people that God, Himself, created light and separated it from darkness, just as His presence did for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIlluminating even the neighborhood courtyards around the Temple, the lamps were also burning reminders of God\u2019s guidance of His people by a nightly pillar of fire ensuring protection from enemies and lighting their path. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTwice Jesus declared Himself to be the Light of the World\u2014once in the temple to a curious audience of disciples and Pharisees and, a short time later, on the south steps of the Temple, just before miraculously giving the light of sight to a man born blind. Both announcements were signs of His deity. His bold revelation, \u201cI am the Light of the World,\u201d alluded to, again, in Isaiah\u2019s prophecy about Him: \u201cThe people who walk in darkness will see a great light.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring every Passover mal, the honor of a candle-lighting belongs to the mother of the house, honoring all women, for it was through Mary that God chose to give us the light of the nations\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsaiah 49:6. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd at the bottom of the card, Barbara has: \u201cIf you are reading these stories at your Resurrection Day meal, the women or the mother of the family can light the candles now.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019d be a great moment in a family to honor women for having given birth to our Savior, and at the same time, honor your mom in the process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>A part of what I like about these stories is that it ties what we know about the resurrection, and the cross, and Good Friday, and all of those things that we celebrate at Easter\u2014but these cards tie all of those events back to the Jewish traditions and the Jewish feasts that Jesus, Himself, celebrated when He was on earth because there are links, there are parallels, and there are connections\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014between what God instituted for the nation of Israel, that they actually went through \/ that Jesus actually participated in\u2014and what we celebrate today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I think it\u2019s helpful for folks to realize that Jesus didn\u2019t just stand up and, in no context, say, \u201cI\u2019m the Light of the World,\u201d where everybody is like, \u201cWhere did that come from?\u201d\u00a0 No, He stood up in the midst of the Temple, where these lights were being lit, giving light to the neighborhoods, as you describe on the card. It was there He said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m the Light of the World.\u201d\u00a0 Everybody kind of like\u2014looking at Him, going, \u201cIn the midst of all this flaming light, you\u2019re saying \u2018You\u2019re the Light of the World\u2019?\u201d\u00a0 It was a revolutionary statement He was making\u2014<em>not<\/em> just some kind of esoteric human philosophy that He was offering\u2014again, with no context. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It was also fulfillment of prophecy, too, because, as you read that, there is the verse in Isaiah that said, \u201cA light will come;\u201d and He\u2019s saying, \u201cI\u2019m the Light\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cI\u2019m the Light of the World that God promised.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a way of Him saying to the people, who had been looking for the Messiah to come\u2014\u201cI am He.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, if you were having your brother, and his wife, and their kids over for Easter dinner\u2014and they go to church on Easter, and they go to church on Christmas, and that\u2019s about it\u2014and they come in and see crosses on your table and conversation cards about Jesus is the Light of the World, would you put all of that out if you were having nominal folks come over?\u00a0 Or would you\u2014how would you handle that\u2014do you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It would really depend on who it was\u2014and in your family, you sort of know. You might not want to read them all. You might want to read them all ahead of time and pick out one that you would read, sort of as a little introduction to the meal, but have them all out so that everybody\u2014Uncle George, who hasn\u2019t darkened the door of a church in 10 years\u2014but he still has one and he can pick it up and he can look at it\u2014so that it exposes them but in a smaller dose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and there is some symbolism to this, Bob, that you wouldn\u2019t necessarily have to read. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tExplain to them, Barbara\u2014and this is one that you\u2019d read\u2014it\u2019s called \u201cHidden Bread.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s the second one that you would read. Explain how the Passover meal, really, symbolized the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Jews celebrated the Passover meal for centuries, and Jews today still celebrate Passover. One of the steps of the Passover meal, for the Jewish people today, is when they take the bread\u2014it\u2019s called <em>matzah<\/em>\u2014and it\u2019s prepared, and always has been prepared, in sections. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Jewish <em>matzah<\/em> bread has three pieces. It\u2019s divided into three pieces; and it\u2019s like: \u201cWhy is it divided into three pieces?\u201d\u00a0 And then, each of those pieces has all kinds of little holes marked into it. And a part of the Jewish tradition is\u2014is that the father breaks that bread into the three pieces. He takes the middle one\u2014he wraps it in a linen napkin or a linen cloth and then he hides it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the Jewish children, then, all go on a search to find it. The one who finds it brings it to the father, and the father pays him in silver coins for that piece. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>There is so much symbolism!\u00a0 There is so much history interwoven with the Jewish tradition of Passover, and what Jews actually practice today, and what we <em>know<\/em> about the story of Jesus\u2014that you could read some of those pieces with people who may or may not be friendly to your faith. Yet, it\u2019s almost like a history lesson\u2014they might go, \u201cOh, I didn\u2019t know that.\u201d\u00a0 It might make it more interesting and appealing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and simply to review with them\u2014say: \u201cFor centuries, Jewish families celebrated the dinner. They had this time when they broke that bread\u2014the <em>matzah<\/em>\u2014in thirds and then hid the one that was wrapped in a napkin.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s like\u2014we think, as followers of Christ, that what God was doing was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014He was showing us what the resurrection was going to look like\u2014that Jesus was going to be crucified, He was going to be wrapped in linen cloth and buried, and then, on the third day, He rose from the dead. I think it would cause an interesting discussion, even with people who aren\u2019t people of faith\u2014just to cause them to begin to wonder, \u201cIs there really something to this man\u2014this God-man named Jesus Christ?\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s what you really want to create around the table; isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I want to create interest \/ I want to create conversation. I\u2019m hoping that families can talk about some of these lesser-known details because one of the things that I\u2019ve discovered through the years of studying the Bible is that the details <em>matter. <\/em>God doesn\u2019t overlook the small stuff. So, <em>every<\/em> detail of the Passover meal, <em>every<\/em> detail of every feast that He instituted, and <em>every<\/em> detail of the Temple that was in Israel\u2014<em>all of that<\/em> pointed to Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe don\u2019t know enough about that, as Gentiles \/ as people in the Christian church today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe more we learn about Jewish history and culture, as God instituted it, the more it makes our faith more meaningful. And I think that\u2019s what so many of us are looking for in our families and in our celebration of Easter\u2014is a way to make it more meaningful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Each of these conversation cards has artwork on the other side of the card. Do you want to tell us about the artwork?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>The artwork is exceptionally beautiful, I think. And the story behind that is that I found a book at a garage sale, a number of years ago, and it\u2019s a book that was written by Peter Marshall. It was a sermon he gave on Easter Sunday; and it\u2019s a phenomenal little book. But it was <em>full<\/em> of these pen-and-ink drawings. The drawings are all about Christ and the resurrection. Each one of them\u2014each of the cards has a beautiful pen-and-ink drawing on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the other stories you tell, that I didn\u2019t know anything about until you did the research on this, was the story of the curtain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, you may remember, when Christ died on the cross, at that moment, obviously, there was an earthquake. It was dark, and there was something that took place in the Temple that was symbolic of what God had done through His Son, Jesus Christ. Explain what that was, Barbara, and what happened to the curtain in the Temple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, the Jewish Temple had a perfectly square room that was at the back of the Temple. It was closed off by this really thick curtain. Nobody knows <em>precisely<\/em> what it looked like or <em>precisely<\/em> how big it was, but the research that I did said that the curtain was between 60 and 90 feet tall\u2014that\u2019s really tall\u2014I mean, that\u2019s a really big curtain. None of us have curtains anywhere near that big in our house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And it wasn\u2019t a sheer curtain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>And it wasn\u2019t a sheer curtain. It was between four and six inches <em>thick<\/em>. I would like to know how they even <em>made<\/em> it\u2014I would like to know how it was woven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWas it just a whole bunch of curtains that were then tied together?\u00a0 I mean, how do you weave anything that is four to six inches thick and that tall?\u00a0 It\u2019s just impossible to even imagine what it looked like to start off with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But what is so <em>remarkable<\/em>\u2014and it\u2019s one of those little pieces in the story of Easter that, every time I read it, I get chills because it says, at the moment that Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple was torn, from top to bottom. Now, think about a curtain that is four to six inches thick\u2014that\u2019s almost more than you can put your hand around\u2014and sixty to ninety feet tall\u2014and it says, in Scripture, it was torn from top to bottom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A body builder can do a phone book, but this curtain is thicker than a phone book; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, and so, you\u2019ve got something\u2014and it\u2019s the hand of God, of course\u2014but you\u2019ve got the hand of God, at the top of that thing, just ripping it in half. If you\u2019ve ever torn a piece of fabric\u2014which probably neither one of you have\u2014but my mother was a seamstress. I learned, early on, that the best way to get a straight line in fabric is to rip it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you make a snip in the edge of the fabric, you get your hands on either side of that little snip, and you really quickly\u2014you tear it in half. It makes a really loud sound. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s just on a piece of thin fabric, but imagine the sound that probably occurred with a four-inch thick, ninety-feet tall piece of fabric\u2014or whatever it was\u2014being ripped in half. I just imagine that the sound alone was stunning to all the priests and the people who were in there\u2014and they were busy with this business of doing the Passover sacrifices\u2014and all of a sudden, there is this thunderous sound and the curtain is being torn in two. It was the moment that Christ breathed His last. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the curtain had separated the people from the Holy of Holies\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly, that\u2019s why it was there!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the dwelling place of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014in the Temple. This was the place where they believed God dwelled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>The priest would go in once a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here is this dwelling place of God, and the death of Christ tears open that curtain so that we can be in the presence of God\u2014again, because of what Christ has done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. So, the tearing of the curtain symbolized\u2014for all who saw and understood and for those of us, now, who know\u2014that the way to God was now opened. It was now free access. We can come to Him, as Hebrews said, \u201c\u2026anytime come before the throne of God.\u201d\u00a0 So, it was a visual statement that God made, on behalf of Christ and what He had done, that the way to Him was now open. We didn\u2019t need priests anymore. We don\u2019t need bloody sacrifices because Christ did it all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if I had been alive during that day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I know!\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t that be something?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014it would have been really remarkable to go back to the Temple and interview the priests, going, \u201cWell, what do you think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cof what happened?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat happened?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cWell, the curtain\u2019s ripped! It\u2019s no longer there!\u00a0 It\/that separated us from the Holy of Holies!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, now, all the people could see into the Holy of Holies. Nobody had seen it before, other than the high priest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. And we all know, today, if you go to Israel, you\u2019re not going to find a Temple. You\u2019re not going to find the Holy of Holies because it\u2019s not there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, there was One who came to get God into man, and it starts from the top down. He took on flesh\u2014became a human being\u2014lived a perfect life, died the perfect death, even though He bore our sins on His body, and defeated death. And because He defeated death, He can offer you eternal life. Now, that is the greatest story ever told. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and maybe, because of the work that you\u2019ve done, Barbara, there\u2019ll be some families that\u2019ll have a little richer, deeper understanding of what it is that we celebrate at Easter this year and in the years to come. Easter will be more meaningful than it\u2019s been for families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, I hope so because I think that we undervalue what Christ has done for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy prayer is that we would grow in our appreciation for the sacrifice and the <em>price<\/em> that He paid to redeem us. So, that is my prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are two places on the planet where that needs to be taking place: One\u2019s at church \/ the other is in a family\u2014what better place to communicate the reality of who Jesus Christ is and what He did on our behalf?\u00a0 What a privilege we, as parents\/ grandparents, have to introduce our children to the Messiah, the Great High Priest, and the Mediator. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and everything Barbara has been working on is designed to help make that easier for moms and dads to do, while at the same time, making your home a place that declares the glory of God \/ the majesty of Christ. <br><br>And I want to encourage our listeners\u2014take a look at the resources that Barbara has designed for us, here at FamilyLife, as part of the Ever Thine Home<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> collection of resources. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to the website, EverThineHome.com. Everything that Barbara has designed for Easter is available right there for you to look at. Again, it\u2019s EverThineHome.com. Look for the banner that you can hang on your front door at Easter or for the Savior names\u2014the crosses that can be displayed as a table decoration\u2014the cards we\u2019ve talked about today that you can use at the dinner table\u2014conversation and devotion around your Easter dinner table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe website, again, is EverThineHome.com; or if you have any questions, you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. We can answer whatever questions you have or make arrangements to send some of these resources your direction. Again, the toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY; and the website is EverThineHome.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I know a lot of our listeners, over the years have used one of the resources that FamilyLife developed, years ago, to help celebrate the Easter season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a tool called Resurrection Eggs<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, where you can share the story of Easter with young children in a way that makes it memorable for them. It\u2019s interactive, and kids love it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe thought, this year, we\u2019d like to make that tool available to anyone who would like a set. All we\u2019re asking is that you help us with a donation to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re listener-supported. So, your donation is what helps defray the cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program. And if you\u2019d like to help support us, we\u2019d be happy to send you a set of Resurrection Eggs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSimply go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI CARE.\u201d\u00a0 You can make an online donation there and request the Resurrection Eggs. Or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone and, again, request a set of Resurrection Eggs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019ve got a guy\u2014a friend of ours\u2014who has just been\u2014he\u2019s been pestering us. He wants to come on the radio and talk about Easter. He\u2019s a friend\u2014so, we\u2019re going to let him do it. Tune in tomorrow, and we\u2019ll introduce our guest to you. I hope you can do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Here\u2019s Barbara Rainey. <br><br><strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of those little pieces in the story of Easter that, every time I read it, I get chills because it says, at the moment that Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple was torn, from top to bottom. Now, think about a curtain that is four to six inches thick and sixty to ninety inches tall\u2014and all of a sudden, there is this thunderous sound; and the curtain is being torn in two\u2014and it was the moment that Christ breathed His last. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, March 19<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 There are a lot of little details in the story of Jesus\u2019s death, and burial, and resurrection; and all of them are important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk more today about how we can dig deeper into the biblical account of the greatest moment in all of human history. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. Just found myself, this week, kind of thinking [Singing], \u201cIt\u2019s beginning to look a lot like Easter.\u201d\u00a0 I guess\u2014haven\u2019t you wanted to sing a few Easter carols? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Why don\u2019t you write us a song that would kind of capture that?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>We have some songs\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve written all kinds of songs\u2014Legacy Partner songs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I have written those, but I think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, by the way, I just want to give a shout out to Legacy Partners. Thanks for standing with us. This is an important ministry to you and your family, but it\u2019s also an important ministry to our nation. I think our nation needs all the help it can get when it comes to marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>We are focused this week on the coming celebration of Easter. It\u2019s just right around the corner\u2014trying to help families get in the Easter mood and not just wait until the week before and go: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOh, yes, Easter is coming up. I guess we should do something about it,\u201d but be in the mindset here, weeks in front of the holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, we\u2019re very intentional about Christmas. We spend <em>lots<\/em> of time making our lists and just countless things that we do to be intentional at Christmas. I think we need to capture some of that intentionality and use it toward Easter. My hope is that we can help you and your family find some ways to be intentional this year so that Easter for you and your family, this year, is much more meaningful than it ever has been in the past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Millions of our listeners know that\u2019s the voice of my wife, Barbara. There are probably two that didn\u2019t recognize it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Two people who are going, \u201cWho\u2019s she?\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But she\u2019s back, again, today on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back, Sweetheart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Earlier, Bob kind of came into the studio and he remarked about what you see on the table. It really is the result of close to three years of work that you\u2019ve been at\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014trying to bring great teachings of the Scripture to people\u2019s homes, around the major Christian holidays that we celebrate\u2014to help families prepare both their home and their hearts for the reason for the season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I know there is so much more to the Easter story\u2014in fact, to all of the stories in the Bible\u2014than we know and appreciate. One of the things that I am hoping to do is to help families understand more of the story. I think, because we\u2019re so familiar with it, we think it\u2019s kind of old hat, or it\u2019s boring, or \u201cOh, I know this story.\u201d\u00a0 And yet, there is so much more to it than we know. I think it helps elevate our celebration when we know more about what happened on the cross and all of the events that surrounded the first Easter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Over the years, you\u2019ve designed decorative elements that can be used in the home, whether it\u2019s a banner you can put on your front door that says, \u201cI am the Resurrection and the Life,\u201d a chain garland that can hold cards that talk about the \u201cI Am\u201d statements from John: \u201cI am the Door,\u201d \u201cI am the Good Shepherd,\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cI am the Bread of Life,\u201d \u201cI am the Light of the World.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis year, one of the new things you\u2019ve developed is what you are referring to as conversation cards. Explain what these are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, I think that all of us\u2014women especially\u2014when we go to the trouble to set a really nice table, we\u2019re hoping that we can have a meaningful meal. We go to that trouble because we are <em>hoping<\/em> that we can capture something that will be memorable\u2014something that will kind of hang with us. That\u2019s why we do traditions. That\u2019s why we repeat recipes and all of that. It\u2019s a way of binding us together, as a family, and it knits our hearts together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that I wanted to do was help families, help couples, help moms and dads initiate meaningful conversation around your Easter brunch, or your Easter lunch, or Easter dinner because\u2014we can set a beautiful table but, then, if we sit and talk about sports, or we talk about homework, or we\u2014the kids break into a fight, we lost it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe lost that element that we were trying to create. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, sometimes, we all need prompts \/ we need reminders. We need some kind of a little nudge to help us have a meaningful conversation or to help us talk about things that <em>really matter<\/em> because we want to\u2014we just don\u2019t know how to get there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A few years ago, you created napkin ties that had a question on them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that folks can\u2014you called it Untie Your Story. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, you would take one of these napkin ties and untie the silverware. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got one here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ve got one too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Mine says: \u201cBeing grateful is not always easy. What makes it so difficult at times?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mine says, \u201cDescribe one of your favorite teachers, as a child, and what made him or her remarkable.\u201d\u00a0 The idea is just: \u201cHere is a question that takes the conversation beyond the mundane\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014into something that\u2019s a little more meaningful.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>But now, the conversation cards take it even a step farther; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right because the conversation cards\u2014there are eight of them that come in a package, and there are two ways you can do them. I designed them so that you would put one on each plate. You may have more than eight people so you can share\u2014however you want to do it\u2014but the idea is to read these around the table and talk about some of these lesser-known stories about the first Easter to help us spark conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut they are also designed to help us worship more for what Christ did for us on the cross because, again, I think we can become complacent and we can become dull to the story. So, when you hear more about what really happened, it opens your eyes and there is more of a sense of wonder and awe. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Each of these cards is, basically, a 60-second devotional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Very quick. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can read what\u2019s on the card, and then, there may be a discussion question or something that you can follow up on it with. But, again, it\u2019s the idea to have something spiritually significant\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014that\u2019s a part of your Easter meal. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is where I think a lot of us fail. In fact, we don\u2019t know how to bridge from good food and from talk of the weather and the latest thing that\u2019s happened with your sports team that\u2019s going well or not going so well. We don\u2019t know how to get to the real message of Easter. What Barbara has done\u2014you used the word, \u201cprompt.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s really a prompt\u2014it will engage each person as they read it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike this first one is \u201cLight of the World.\u201d\u00a0 And I\u2019ll just read it here\u2014this is how it happened. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhile Jesus lived on earth, a grand and glorious Temple stood in the center of Jerusalem as the heart of the Jewish city life. Within the Court of Women, stood four sumptuously-gilded candelabra, over 70 feet in height. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the evenings, during feast times, a lamp-lighting ceremony reminded the people that God, Himself, created light and separated it from darkness, just as His presence did for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIlluminating even the neighborhood courtyards around the Temple, the lamps were also burning reminders of God\u2019s guidance of His people by a nightly pillar of fire ensuring protection from enemies and lighting their path. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTwice Jesus declared Himself to be the Light of the World\u2014once in the temple to a curious audience of disciples and Pharisees and, a short time later, on the south steps of the Temple, just before miraculously giving the light of sight to a man born blind. Both announcements were signs of His deity. His bold revelation, \u201cI am the Light of the World,\u201d alluded to, again, in Isaiah\u2019s prophecy about Him: \u201cThe people who walk in darkness will see a great light.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring every Passover mal, the honor of a candle-lighting belongs to the mother of the house, honoring all women, for it was through Mary that God chose to give us the light of the nations\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIsaiah 49:6. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd at the bottom of the card, Barbara has: \u201cIf you are reading these stories at your Resurrection Day meal, the women or the mother of the family can light the candles now.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019d be a great moment in a family to honor women for having given birth to our Savior, and at the same time, honor your mom in the process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>A part of what I like about these stories is that it ties what we know about the resurrection, and the cross, and Good Friday, and all of those things that we celebrate at Easter\u2014but these cards tie all of those events back to the Jewish traditions and the Jewish feasts that Jesus, Himself, celebrated when He was on earth because there are links, there are parallels, and there are connections\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014between what God instituted for the nation of Israel, that they actually went through \/ that Jesus actually participated in\u2014and what we celebrate today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I think it\u2019s helpful for folks to realize that Jesus didn\u2019t just stand up and, in no context, say, \u201cI\u2019m the Light of the World,\u201d where everybody is like, \u201cWhere did that come from?\u201d\u00a0 No, He stood up in the midst of the Temple, where these lights were being lit, giving light to the neighborhoods, as you describe on the card. It was there He said, \u201cHey, I\u2019m the Light of the World.\u201d\u00a0 Everybody kind of like\u2014looking at Him, going, \u201cIn the midst of all this flaming light, you\u2019re saying \u2018You\u2019re the Light of the World\u2019?\u201d\u00a0 It was a revolutionary statement He was making\u2014<em>not<\/em> just some kind of esoteric human philosophy that He was offering\u2014again, with no context. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It was also fulfillment of prophecy, too, because, as you read that, there is the verse in Isaiah that said, \u201cA light will come;\u201d and He\u2019s saying, \u201cI\u2019m the Light\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Barbara: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cI\u2019m the Light of the World that God promised.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was a way of Him saying to the people, who had been looking for the Messiah to come\u2014\u201cI am He.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, if you were having your brother, and his wife, and their kids over for Easter dinner\u2014and they go to church on Easter, and they go to church on Christmas, and that\u2019s about it\u2014and they come in and see crosses on your table and conversation cards about Jesus is the Light of the World, would you put all of that out if you were having nominal folks come over?\u00a0 Or would you\u2014how would you handle that\u2014do you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>It would really depend on who it was\u2014and in your family, you sort of know. You might not want to read them all. You might want to read them all ahead of time and pick out one that you would read, sort of as a little introduction to the meal, but have them all out so that everybody\u2014Uncle George, who hasn\u2019t darkened the door of a church in 10 years\u2014but he still has one and he can pick it up and he can look at it\u2014so that it exposes them but in a smaller dose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and there is some symbolism to this, Bob, that you wouldn\u2019t necessarily have to read. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tExplain to them, Barbara\u2014and this is one that you\u2019d read\u2014it\u2019s called \u201cHidden Bread.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s the second one that you would read. Explain how the Passover meal, really, symbolized the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Jews celebrated the Passover meal for centuries, and Jews today still celebrate Passover. One of the steps of the Passover meal, for the Jewish people today, is when they take the bread\u2014it\u2019s called <em>matzah<\/em>\u2014and it\u2019s prepared, and always has been prepared, in sections. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Jewish <em>matzah<\/em> bread has three pieces. It\u2019s divided into three pieces; and it\u2019s like: \u201cWhy is it divided into three pieces?\u201d\u00a0 And then, each of those pieces has all kinds of little holes marked into it. And a part of the Jewish tradition is\u2014is that the father breaks that bread into the three pieces. He takes the middle one\u2014he wraps it in a linen napkin or a linen cloth and then he hides it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the Jewish children, then, all go on a search to find it. The one who finds it brings it to the father, and the father pays him in silver coins for that piece. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>There is so much symbolism!\u00a0 There is so much history interwoven with the Jewish tradition of Passover, and what Jews actually practice today, and what we <em>know<\/em> about the story of Jesus\u2014that you could read some of those pieces with people who may or may not be friendly to your faith. Yet, it\u2019s almost like a history lesson\u2014they might go, \u201cOh, I didn\u2019t know that.\u201d\u00a0 It might make it more interesting and appealing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and simply to review with them\u2014say: \u201cFor centuries, Jewish families celebrated the dinner. They had this time when they broke that bread\u2014the <em>matzah<\/em>\u2014in thirds and then hid the one that was wrapped in a napkin.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s like\u2014we think, as followers of Christ, that what God was doing was\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014He was showing us what the resurrection was going to look like\u2014that Jesus was going to be crucified, He was going to be wrapped in linen cloth and buried, and then, on the third day, He rose from the dead. I think it would cause an interesting discussion, even with people who aren\u2019t people of faith\u2014just to cause them to begin to wonder, \u201cIs there really something to this man\u2014this God-man named Jesus Christ?\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s what you really want to create around the table; isn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I want to create interest \/ I want to create conversation. I\u2019m hoping that families can talk about some of these lesser-known details because one of the things that I\u2019ve discovered through the years of studying the Bible is that the details <em>matter. <\/em>God doesn\u2019t overlook the small stuff. So, <em>every<\/em> detail of the Passover meal, <em>every<\/em> detail of every feast that He instituted, and <em>every<\/em> detail of the Temple that was in Israel\u2014<em>all of that<\/em> pointed to Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe don\u2019t know enough about that, as Gentiles \/ as people in the Christian church today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe more we learn about Jewish history and culture, as God instituted it, the more it makes our faith more meaningful. And I think that\u2019s what so many of us are looking for in our families and in our celebration of Easter\u2014is a way to make it more meaningful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Each of these conversation cards has artwork on the other side of the card. Do you want to tell us about the artwork?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>The artwork is exceptionally beautiful, I think. And the story behind that is that I found a book at a garage sale, a number of years ago, and it\u2019s a book that was written by Peter Marshall. It was a sermon he gave on Easter Sunday; and it\u2019s a phenomenal little book. But it was <em>full<\/em> of these pen-and-ink drawings. The drawings are all about Christ and the resurrection. Each one of them\u2014each of the cards has a beautiful pen-and-ink drawing on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the other stories you tell, that I didn\u2019t know anything about until you did the research on this, was the story of the curtain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, you may remember, when Christ died on the cross, at that moment, obviously, there was an earthquake. It was dark, and there was something that took place in the Temple that was symbolic of what God had done through His Son, Jesus Christ. Explain what that was, Barbara, and what happened to the curtain in the Temple. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, the Jewish Temple had a perfectly square room that was at the back of the Temple. It was closed off by this really thick curtain. Nobody knows <em>precisely<\/em> what it looked like or <em>precisely<\/em> how big it was, but the research that I did said that the curtain was between 60 and 90 feet tall\u2014that\u2019s really tall\u2014I mean, that\u2019s a really big curtain. None of us have curtains anywhere near that big in our house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And it wasn\u2019t a sheer curtain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>And it wasn\u2019t a sheer curtain. It was between four and six inches <em>thick<\/em>. I would like to know how they even <em>made<\/em> it\u2014I would like to know how it was woven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWas it just a whole bunch of curtains that were then tied together?\u00a0 I mean, how do you weave anything that is four to six inches thick and that tall?\u00a0 It\u2019s just impossible to even imagine what it looked like to start off with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>But what is so <em>remarkable<\/em>\u2014and it\u2019s one of those little pieces in the story of Easter that, every time I read it, I get chills because it says, at the moment that Jesus died, the curtain in the Temple was torn, from top to bottom. Now, think about a curtain that is four to six inches thick\u2014that\u2019s almost more than you can put your hand around\u2014and sixty to ninety feet tall\u2014and it says, in Scripture, it was torn from top to bottom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A body builder can do a phone book, but this curtain is thicker than a phone book; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Yes, and so, you\u2019ve got something\u2014and it\u2019s the hand of God, of course\u2014but you\u2019ve got the hand of God, at the top of that thing, just ripping it in half. If you\u2019ve ever torn a piece of fabric\u2014which probably neither one of you have\u2014but my mother was a seamstress. I learned, early on, that the best way to get a straight line in fabric is to rip it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you make a snip in the edge of the fabric, you get your hands on either side of that little snip, and you really quickly\u2014you tear it in half. It makes a really loud sound. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that\u2019s just on a piece of thin fabric, but imagine the sound that probably occurred with a four-inch thick, ninety-feet tall piece of fabric\u2014or whatever it was\u2014being ripped in half. I just imagine that the sound alone was stunning to all the priests and the people who were in there\u2014and they were busy with this business of doing the Passover sacrifices\u2014and all of a sudden, there is this thunderous sound and the curtain is being torn in two. It was the moment that Christ breathed His last. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the curtain had separated the people from the Holy of Holies\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly, that\u2019s why it was there!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014the dwelling place of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014in the Temple. This was the place where they believed God dwelled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>The priest would go in once a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here is this dwelling place of God, and the death of Christ tears open that curtain so that we can be in the presence of God\u2014again, because of what Christ has done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Exactly. So, the tearing of the curtain symbolized\u2014for all who saw and understood and for those of us, now, who know\u2014that the way to God was now opened. It was now free access. We can come to Him, as Hebrews said, \u201c\u2026anytime come before the throne of God.\u201d\u00a0 So, it was a visual statement that God made, on behalf of Christ and what He had done, that the way to Him was now open. We didn\u2019t need priests anymore. We don\u2019t need bloody sacrifices because Christ did it all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if I had been alive during that day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>I know!\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t that be something?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014it would have been really remarkable to go back to the Temple and interview the priests, going, \u201cWell, what do you think\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cof what happened?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cwhat happened?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cWell, the curtain\u2019s ripped! It\u2019s no longer there!\u00a0 It\/that separated us from the Holy of Holies!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, now, all the people could see into the Holy of Holies. Nobody had seen it before, other than the high priest. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. And we all know, today, if you go to Israel, you\u2019re not going to find a Temple. You\u2019re not going to find the Holy of Holies because it\u2019s not there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, there was One who came to get God into man, and it starts from the top down. He took on flesh\u2014became a human being\u2014lived a perfect life, died the perfect death, even though He bore our sins on His body, and defeated death. And because He defeated death, He can offer you eternal life. Now, that is the greatest story ever told. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and maybe, because of the work that you\u2019ve done, Barbara, there\u2019ll be some families that\u2019ll have a little richer, deeper understanding of what it is that we celebrate at Easter this year and in the years to come. Easter will be more meaningful than it\u2019s been for families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara: <\/strong>Well, I hope so because I think that we undervalue what Christ has done for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy prayer is that we would grow in our appreciation for the sacrifice and the <em>price<\/em> that He paid to redeem us. So, that is my prayer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are two places on the planet where that needs to be taking place: One\u2019s at church \/ the other is in a family\u2014what better place to communicate the reality of who Jesus Christ is and what He did on our behalf?\u00a0 What a privilege we, as parents\/ grandparents, have to introduce our children to the Messiah, the Great High Priest, and the Mediator. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and everything Barbara has been working on is designed to help make that easier for moms and dads to do, while at the same time, making your home a place that declares the glory of God \/ the majesty of Christ. <br><br>And I want to encourage our listeners\u2014take a look at the resources that Barbara has designed for us, here at FamilyLife, as part of the Ever Thine Home<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> collection of resources. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to the website, EverThineHome.com. Everything that Barbara has designed for Easter is available right there for you to look at. Again, it\u2019s EverThineHome.com. Look for the banner that you can hang on your front door at Easter or for the Savior names\u2014the crosses that can be displayed as a table decoration\u2014the cards we\u2019ve talked about today that you can use at the dinner table\u2014conversation and devotion around your Easter dinner table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe website, again, is EverThineHome.com; or if you have any questions, you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. We can answer whatever questions you have or make arrangements to send some of these resources your direction. Again, the toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY; and the website is EverThineHome.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I know a lot of our listeners, over the years have used one of the resources that FamilyLife developed, years ago, to help celebrate the Easter season. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a tool called Resurrection Eggs<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, where you can share the story of Easter with young children in a way that makes it memorable for them. It\u2019s interactive, and kids love it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe thought, this year, we\u2019d like to make that tool available to anyone who would like a set. All we\u2019re asking is that you help us with a donation to support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re listener-supported. 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