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Bible teacher Jen Wilkin voices her concerns about Bible illiteracy among the body of Christ.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-03-09.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Author and Bible study leader, Jen Wilkin, remembers the day that she realized she needed to start taking Bible study more seriously and start approaching her Bible study in a whole new way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> I had my first child. I think it\u2019s a time when, for a lot of women, you suddenly see the extent of your need. You realize: \u201cI don\u2019t know the Bible like I need to. Not only do I not know it well enough to sustain <em>me<\/em> through all of the interesting portions of new motherhood, but now I\u2019m supposed to hand this spiritual legacy over to another human being. If I don\u2019t own it, how can I ask anybody else to?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Monday, March 9<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk today to Jen Wilkin. She believes that it\u2019s time for women\u2019s ministry leaders to start leading women into a deeper understanding of God\u2019s Word. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re going to be talking today to people who love God\u2019s Word but don\u2019t take it seriously.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why don\u2019t you cut to the chase on the broadcast; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I thought we could. There are folks who really do love the Bible but don\u2019t take it as seriously as they ought to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And we\u2019re going to equip them to know how to take it seriously\u2014and even better\u2014to know how to allow it to live inside you and through you to reach a lost world. We have Jen Wilkin joining us on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> Jen\u2014welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Thank you for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She\u2019s written a book called <em>Women of the Word.<\/em> There\u2019s a reason why she\u2019s written this book. It\u2019s subtitled <em>How to Study the Bible with Both Our Hearts and Our Minds.<\/em> She has led a number of Bible studies. How many do you suppose you have led, in terms of teaching women to study the Scriptures?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> I have probably been teaching for almost 15 years now. It started as a women\u2019s Sunday school class, at my last church, before we moved up to the Dallas area. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I was teaching that weekly and, then, started teaching weekday Bible studies as well. I don\u2019t know if I can count how many. I\u2019ve probably written 10 or 11 curriculums\u2014if not more than that\u2014just constantly feeding the content needs of the Bible studies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are a lot of men, listening right now, who are thinking, \u201cOh this is going to be a program for how women can study the Bible.\u201d Let me tell you something\u2014you will benefit if you\u2019ll listen to what Jen has done here. Now, she and her husband have been married for 21 years. They have four children, and they live in the giant city of Flower Mound, Texas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. [Laughing]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love it\u2014I love it\u2014it\u2019s great. You begin the book by talking about a mountain to climb\u2014that you were climbing a mountain, as a young lady. Explain what you meant by that to our listeners.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Well, I mention in the book how, at first, I wasn\u2019t even aware that the mountain was there. I was a child of many denominations, growing up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went around from church to church during my childhood and, then, even into my early adult years. And so I was in many different environments, and heard many people speaking from the platform with authority, and realizing that they weren\u2019t all saying the same things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then I had the blessing of being in a Bible church, when I was in late elementary towards middle school, and was actually given some tools to read and study on my own and began to realize that, if we don\u2019t know just what the Bible says, then we\u2019re not going to be able to discern between who is speaking truth and who is speaking error.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There are a lot of people today, though, who you would say fit that exact description\u2014people who have been in the church their whole lives. They may know a lot of verses\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014or a lot of principles, but they don\u2019t understand the Bible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. You call it biblical illiteracy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s a tough statement\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but it\u2019s true; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Well, you know, Bible illiteracy lives within a bigger issue that we have. We don\u2019t just have a Bible literacy crisis. You could argue we have a literacy crisis that then compounds issues that we have within the church. I think we\u2019re losing, collectively, our value for being literate in general; and it is impacting the church, which says that we hold to a book as our standard of truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it\u2019s not just always an issue of building Bible literacy. It\u2019s just a flat-out literacy issue. I talk about that in the book some\u2014that many of the things that I want women to understand are good and right to do with your Bible are things that we should have learned in high school English, but many of us didn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When did this click for you? When did you start to say, \u201cI need to read my Bible differently than the way I\u2019ve been reading it all through my growing up years\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> I think it started, for me, when I hit motherhood. I had my first child. I think it\u2019s a time when, for a lot of women, you suddenly see the extent of your need. You realize: \u201cI don\u2019t know the Bible like I need to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u201c<\/strong>Not only do I not know it well enough to sustain <em>me<\/em> through all of the interesting portions of new motherhood but, now, I\u2019m supposed to hand this spiritual legacy over to another human being. And if I don\u2019t own it, how can I ask anybody else to?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo then, I went to a women\u2019s Bible study at my church. Honestly, a lot of it was just that I needed to get out of the house and actually clothe myself and be in my right mind for a few hours. I went and began to be exposed to the anomaly that is women\u2019s Bible study in the evangelical church. I had some positive experiences; and then I had some experiences where I thought: \u201cMaybe I\u2019m just not good at this,\u201d or \u201cI don\u2019t understand what women\u2019s Bible study is supposed to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver a course of time, I came to be the Women\u2019s Ministry Director at my previous church. One of my jobs was to vet curriculum for about 13 different Bible studies at any given semester. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was then that I really became alarmed because there were so many things that we were calling a Bible study that were actually a study of a book that someone had written about the Bible\u2014which is fine \/ we need those kinds of things \/ we need topical studies that are going to integrate broad concepts for us\u2014but I began to recognize, more and more, that the environments where we were simply learning God\u2019s Word, line upon line \/ going through a book from the beginning to the end\u2014that those environments were, in many cases, vanishing from churches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jen, you may not know this\u2014but FamilyLife was actually started because of engaged couples or single folks, who were thinking about marriage and didn\u2019t have the biblical blueprints. They didn\u2019t have the big picture of marriage in mind. So, we created a ministry that was a marriage preparation conference\u2014that was about really taking the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and laying out the big picture, from Scripture, of what God had in mind when He made marriage and the family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTaking a step back from it all, there are really two key points in our lifetimes, where we become\u2014and you just described them\u2014when we become incredibly teachable. One is when we say, \u201cI do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay?\u2014because, now, reality is commencing but then reality, exponentially, increases when they place a baby in your arms.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A live human being\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014of your own making.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s like: \u201cYou, Jen,\u201d\u2014or in our case\u2014\u201cYou, Barbara and Dennis, are responsible for the spiritual well-being\u2014to nurture, to train, to disciple,\u201d\u2014at that moment, people become very teachable. For me, the guy who whetted my appetite for Bible study was Dr. Howard Hendricks. He taught a Bible study class called \u201cBible Study Methods.\u201d Now, you\u2019d think that would be the driest course imaginable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This was at seminary\u2014for seminary students on how to study the Bible; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right, and yet it was one of the\u2014if not <em>the<\/em> most popular class because, here, he took a bunch of seminary students and he taught an entire semester in how to approach the book\u2014but do it within context, understand the bigger picture, and then begin to apply it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we started our ministry, Dr. Hendricks made a statement that is, now, I think, included at the beginning of all our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> marriage conference manuals. He made a statement\u2014he said, \u201cThe body of Christ is suffering from vitamin A deficiency. It is knowing the Bible and <em>applying<\/em> it\u2014vitamin A.\u201d He didn\u2019t just study the Bible or train us to study the Bible for head knowledge\u2014he actually challenged us to move our knowledge to our feet and make it an application. That\u2019s what you\u2019re doing in your book, <em>Women of the Word.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. I would nuance it a little further because I think that what I saw, as I was looking at women\u2019s curricula, is that so often we would rush to the application piece <em>before<\/em> we had tried to understand what the text was trying to say and what the text meant. I think it\u2019s not unique just to women\u2019s resources. I think that you see that other places as well. Life moves fast. We\u2019re like: \u201cGive me what I need for the day.\u201d I think that we have lapsed into taking a very short-term approach to the way that we spend time in the Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You said, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to eat your veggies before you get to the dessert\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. Also, you need to read the label to see what the nutritional content is of what it is that you\u2019re eating. I think that we have become maybe not as discriminatory as we ought to be about the way that we are approaching Scripture and the tools that we\u2019re using to get into it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, in light of approaching the Bible in a fresh way\u2014you said that, as we study the Bible, there are two approaches that people make when it comes to studying the Scriptures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. I think often, when we get two things backwards: First, what we tend to do\u2014and it\u2019s related to that issue of wanting to rush to application\u2014is that we approach the Bible as though it is a book that is about <em>us<\/em>. We ask the wrong question of it\u2014we ask it: \u201cWhat should I do?\u201d or \u201cWho should I be?\u201d These are good questions that the Bible does want to answer, but the Bible answers them only through the lens of telling us who God is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, a fundamental thing that I am always asking women to do is\u2014to go back to understanding that we read the Bible, first, to discover who it tells us God is and, then, we see ourselves in relation to what it tells us about God. This is how we begin to be transformed because, as long as I can just see myself in relation to other people\u2014like as long as I\u2019m looking at Bob and trying to be more righteous than Bob\u2014I can maybe feel pretty good about myself; right, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can\u2014trust me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. But, as soon as I\u2019m looking into Scripture and seeing what it means that God is just\u2014then my definition of myself, as a person who is either just or unjust, is now thrown into sharp relief. That\u2019s when I begin to see the distance between who I am and who I would be if I were more conformed to the image of God. My heart breaks over the distance, and then I\u2019m transformed\u2014I begin to long for the better thing instead of longing to just be better than Bob\u2014I long to be more like my Heavenly Father and, then, I begin to be changed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, there are people, though, who say: \u201cYou\u2019re talking about theology. Theology is dry, and it\u2019s boring, and it\u2019s dusty. I don\u2019t want just a bunch of head knowledge. I want something that lives.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Right. I totally agree. I think it was R.C. Sproul, who said, \u201cEveryone is a theologian.\u201d So, you are a theologian whether you acknowledge that you are or not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you\u2019ve reached to the second thing that we tend to get backwards, and that is that our first approach to Scripture ought to be with our hearts \/ it ought to be with our emotions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI always want to be really careful when I talk about this. My intent is never to tell people that \u201cYour approach to Scripture should be unemotional.\u201d I actually don\u2019t think that. I think, just as Howard Hendricks taught your class and you were deeply moved and invigorated by the way that he presented Scripture, that that\u2019s what Bible study ought to do for us. It ought to make our emotions come alive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I want us to return to an understanding of how transformation happens. If you look at Romans 12:2, it says, \u201cDon\u2019t be conformed any longer to the pattern of this world,\u201d\u2014which we want. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> We don\u2019t want to conform. What do we all want?\u2014we want to be transformed. That\u2019s what it tells us about\u2014\u201cby the renewing of your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cmind.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cmind,\u201d\u2014not your heart. It doesn\u2019t mean that your heart isn\u2019t a part of the process, but it means that the path to a changed heart is through the mind. So the way I usually articulate that is\u2014that the heart cannot love what the mind does not know. We may profess that we love God\u2014and for women, in particular \/ it\u2019s probably the same for men\u2014we want to feel deeply our love for the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe gauge the strength of our faith on how strongly we <em>feel<\/em> about Him. We speak about feeling like He\u2019s far away or He\u2019s near. It can be a roller coaster ride\u2014particularly when you hit a crisis point; right?\u2014because then you\u2019re looking to your emotions to give you a reliable gauge of what reality is. No; you can\u2019t\u2014they\u2019re all over the map. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s when you\u2019re in crisis, in particular, that you recognize how much your faith is grounded in the fact of who God says He is, or in the feelings that you have for Him; of course, the two are related. My contention is that the more that we <em>know<\/em> God \/ the more we behold Him in His Word, the more we <em>will<\/em> love Him. Those emotions <em>will<\/em> increase, because He is eminently loveable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and once you get to know Him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and find out who He is, and how He loves\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ll never forget, to your point, a comment in class one day. Dr. Hendricks was amazing in this class. He was so motivational to get you in the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said, \u201cGentlemen,\u201d\u2014this was back when Dallas Seminary only had men \/ today, they have men and women\u2014but he said, \u201cGentlemen, I want to dust your minds with itching powder.\u201d [Laughter] You\u2019re sitting out there\u2014and just the picture of that\u2014of him walking around the class with a shaker \/ a salt shaker, dusting you with itching powder, wanting you to hunger more\u2014for more knowledge of who God was and an experience of God\u2014not just to leave it in the head but, as you\u2019ve just said, to move it to the heart and to make it an experience of God. That\u2019s what all of us went to seminary for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting because I\u2019ve heard Tim Keller, the pastor at Redeemer Presbyterian Church in New York, say that, ultimately, as a preacher, what he\u2019s aiming for is a person\u2019s will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He wants you to be living differently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But he says the only way to get to the will is by touching both mind and heart to get there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He said if all you\u2019re doing is touching heart, there is no rootedness that\u2019s going to last. If all you\u2019re doing is touching mind, and the emotions don\u2019t get engaged, then there\u2019s no motivation for it. So, you have to have mind and heart, fully engaged, in order for the will to be transformed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Right. You just learn to want the better thing. I compare it to how nobody is wrong to think that Cheetos are delicious\u2014Cheetos are <em>delicious<\/em>!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Put it up, sister\u2014right here. Put it up\u2014I\u2019m with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes. High five to you\u2014okay. Preach; right? [Laughter] So, Cheetos taste fantastic! It\u2019s not until someone sits us down and says, \u201cHave you actually read what\u2019s in Cheetos?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let\u2019s not go there! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> And then what happens? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is why I put cheese on it\u2014it makes them healthy. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> So good. We\u2019re going to get along so great! Once you read the package, then, all of a sudden, you\u2019re like, \u201cOh, no!\u201d\u2014right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt hits your head; but it takes a while for that to translate into the way you <em>feel <\/em>about the Cheeto because you\u2019ve <em>loved<\/em> the Cheeto for a long, long time, with a dedicated and strong love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> So then, it begins to hit your heart; and then what happens? Your decision-making changes. You choose the better thing, but it\u2019s not just\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Not yet\u2014not yet! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> We\u2019re in a hypothetical here. But it\u2019s not just that you look at the Cheetos package and say \u201cThat\u2019s not what I need to eat.\u201d It\u2019s that you read the ingredients on the mixed greens and you say, \u201cThis is the better thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think part of the problem that we run up against is just like with junk food\u2014how, when you eat junk food, it satisfies your sense of hunger; but it doesn\u2019t nourish you. I think that\u2019s where we are, a lot of times, with women\u2019s Bible study. We want the feeling of satisfaction, and we don\u2019t care how we get it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that I always push women on is that: \u201cDon\u2019t come to your quiet time or your Bible study asking that, by the end of it, you\u2019re going to leave satisfied. Come to it hoping that, by the end of it, you\u2019re going to actually have an increased hunger for what\u2019s next.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s a totally different approach.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to spend some time on this on another broadcast, but I just want to dip into this for a second. We started this with what kind of brought you to your own \u201caha moment,\u201d and that was becoming a mom\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and realizing these beady little eyes were looking up at you\u2014and you had to have the real disease; alright? What would you just give a mom \/ and for that matter, a dad, right now, as they\u2019re listening, as an exhortation as they think of their responsibility and the mantle of parenthood?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> When I get asked about parenting advice, one of the most frequent questions that I get is, \u201cHow did you train your children to study the Bible?\u201d That\u2019s what people want to know. The way that it worked out in our home was it was modeled. It\u2019s not that we never built any structure around it for the children\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:<\/strong>00\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014but far and away the biggest contributing factor to whether our children wanted to spend time in the Word or not was whether they saw their mom and their dad doing it and loving it and talking to each other about it in animated tones. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot once did we ever say to the kids, \u201cOkay, you\u2019re at an age now where you need to sit down and have a personal quiet time.\u201d I had some baggage around that\u2014I\u2019ll just be real up front\u2014from my upbringing in the church. We wanted it to be organic, if at all possible\u2014that\u2019s very much our parenting style. I don\u2019t lay that out for everyone, as an example; but our children do sit down and study the Word, and love it, and dialogue about it. I have to think that that example that was set \/ just the modeling\u2014praise God that He gave us a desire for His Word and that the kids saw it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. What you\u2019ve reminded us is that the Bible is alive\u2014it is a living book. Hebrews 4:12 says: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cFor the Word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of the soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the Bible\u2014first you get it in you and then it begins to work within you and change your life. It becomes what you feed off of, all day long, in making your decisions, and knowing how to trust God \/ walk by faith, and how to handle circumstances, where you may not know what to do. The Scriptures\u2014if they\u2019re there \/ if you do have some literacy in the Bible\u2014will guide you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is\u2014frankly, what you\u2019re talking about here is one of our biggest concerns, here at FamilyLife\u2014is that we have a generation of young families that are starting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Bible literacy issue is going to cost them\u2014not only in their marriage but also in their family, and their children, and their grandchildren\u2014if this isn\u2019t addressed. I just encourage any woman, who is sensing a need to grow and to know Him more intimately, to get a copy of your book. Maybe dig into it with some other women\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jen:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and then start doing it together\u2014what you\u2019re talking about\u2014and your life will never be the same.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It could just be that you\u2019ve never been taught how to study the Bible. When we understand how to study it, it\u2019s a whole different book. Jen, that\u2019s what you\u2019re doing in your book, <em>Women of the Word,<\/em> which, by the way, I have recommended to so many folks. In fact, I\u2019ve recommended to pastors\u2014that they need to have both men and women in their congregation read this book\u2014because you really do a great job of helping get us oriented on how we are to approach God\u2019s Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. Our listeners can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper left-hand corner that says \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d You will see a block there for Jen\u2019s book. You can click on that and order, online, if you\u2019d like. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper left corner that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d Then click on for information about Jen Wilkin\u2019s book. 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