{"id":303363,"date":"2015-01-27T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2015-01-27T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-college-years\/"},"modified":"2015-01-27T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2015-01-27T17:00:00","slug":"the-college-years","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-college-years\/","title":{"rendered":"The College Years"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Time doesn&#8217;t stand still, and neither do our lives. Barbara Rainey talks about student life at the University of Arkansas and the events that lead to meeting fellow student Dennis Rainey, who would later become her husband. Though Barbara&#8217;s major was history, her passion was, she admits, following Christ. 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I knew that God had more for me. I knew what He had was going to be healthy and right and better than I\u2019d ever dreamed of. I was determined I wasn\u2019t going to get in God\u2019s way. If that was a part of His plan for me, great; and if it wasn\u2019t, then I knew what He had\u2014if I was single for the next ten years\u2014that that was going to be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, January 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How do you cultivate contentment in life when it seems that God\u2019s plan is different than your plan? We\u2019ll explore that with Barbara Rainey today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re spending some time this week exploring the seasons \/ the chapters\u2014the evolution of a woman\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Evolution?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, well, our lives evolve.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re not talking about a woman turning from a monkey into a human. That\u2019s not what I meant by that. [Laughter] We\u2019re talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wasn\u2019t thinking about that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay. I just want to make sure Ken Ham understands that we\u2019re on the right page here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re exploring the fact that, in different seasons, priorities can shift \/ purpose can be adjusted and that, over a lifetime, you can experience a lot of what God has for you. It doesn\u2019t all have to be crammed into a couple of years; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It doesn\u2019t. I think what my wife\u2019s story\u2014who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014welcome back, honey\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014what her story illustrates is that you can be brought up in a home that goes to church and, maybe, tries to introduce a child to God but may not get the job done because of timing in the child\u2019s life. We, as parents, need to really pay attention to the spiritual dimension of our children and do our best to raise our children to understand who God is\u2014how we\u2019re accountable to Him and how we can come into a right relationship with Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I think teenagers and young adults are asking those kinds of big questions, all the time: \u201cWhere did I come from?\u201d \u201cWhy am I here?\u201d \u201cWhere am I going?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s life all about?\u201d They\u2019re chewing on that kind of stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They are and, as we heard earlier from Barbara, this decision to receive Christ that she made was life-determinative. I mean, we are where we are today because of the decision she made. I don\u2019t think I would have married her if she hadn\u2019t made this decision, nor would she have married me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you weren\u2019t on the same page, spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, we\u2019ve had a chance, this week, as well to get an update on some of what you\u2019re working on currently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re involved in developing discipleship resources for parents that can be used in the home that are beautiful but that also have some spiritual significance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the things we haven\u2019t really talked about is a resource you designed for the Lenten season to help prepare people for the celebration of Easter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of Protestants have shied away from Lent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They think of it as something that Roman Catholics do or Eastern Orthodox people do\u2014something that Protestants <em>don\u2019t do<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you, in recent years, started kind of getting your mind and heart ready for Easter by doing some Lenten practices; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. I think it\u2019s been very interesting to see that the Protestant Christian community is opening their eyes and hearts to the benefits of preparing ourselves to celebrate Easter. In much the same way that we do Advent to prepare to celebrate Christmas, I think Lent is a time to prepare to celebrate the crucifixion of Christ and His resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, one of my favorite products that we\u2019ve created\u2014one of the <em>best resources<\/em>, I think, that we\u2019ve done\u2014is this one for Lent. It\u2019s called \u201cMessiah Mystery.\u201d It\u2019s a journal book that has six lessons, for lack of a better word, that you can do with your family\u2014one each week for the six weeks of Lent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat it does is\u2014it takes you from Genesis, where the promise of Christ was first given, and then, for the next six weeks, you study when Isaac was supposed to be sacrificed and how God intervened. Then you talk about the Passover: \u201cWhy did God even start the Passover? Why do the Jews celebrate the Passover every year? What does it mean? What is its connection with Easter?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the course of six weeks, you walk your way through the Old Testament and you discover, as a family, all of these clues that God hid in the Old Testament. As a family, you can discover them together. It\u2019s a way for moms and dads to teach their children some really profound biblical truth from the Old Testament; but it\u2019s also a way for moms and dads to learn, too, because, as moms and dads, we always learn more when we\u2019re teaching our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I have to say\u2014what I think I said the first year when we sold out of all of these when we offered them, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>: \u201cI\u2019ll give you your money back if you don\u2019t learn something that you didn\u2019t know about the Savior from this study.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is really a fun\/entertaining, but rich, study of the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>As you lead your kids through it, you\u2019re going to turn to each other\u2014I know because I went to seminary and I turned to Barbara, at one point after she had written this thing\u2014and I said, \u201cI didn\u2019t know that!\u201d [Laughter] It was really kind of fun to have those discussions, though. There\u2019s a magnifying glass that goes with this\u2014there are clues. It is entertaining\u2014while, at the same time, enriching.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage listeners: \u201cIf you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d you can see some of what Barbara has been working on. There\u2019s a link there for Ever Thine Home. Click the Ever Thine Home link and all of the resources that Barbara has been developing are available there.\u201d Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the \u201cGO DEEPER\u201d link and then the Ever Thine Home link. You can see all that Barbara has been working on and order some of these resources, if you\u2019d like, as you get ready for Lent and for Easter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we asked you to come this week, Barbara, so that we could talk about the different seasons of a woman\u2019s life and really start to explore: \u201cWhat should be a woman\u2019s priorities in the various seasons or chapters of life?\u201d We\u2019ve already talked about your teenage years and about your college years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve heard about how you came to faith in Christ during your sophomore year of college. That really was a pivot time for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You started to think about life differently as a result.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Very differently! By the time I got to be a junior in college\u2014you know, after those two years of my sophomore and junior year, I was really majoring in Christianity and in Christ. I was not majoring in history anymore. Now, I went to class\u2014I studied \/ I made decent grades\u2014but what I was living for was not graduation. I was not living for what my history degree was going to get me\u2014I was living for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, all my spare time \/ all of my free time, I was in Bible studies. I was talking to other girls and guys on campus. I was going on retreats. It was my passion \/ it was my focus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you tell your mom and dad that you\u2019d had this spiritual transformation? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I did. I was so <em>amazed<\/em> that I had never heard this before! Where did I miss this? So I went home, and I started telling my parents all about this. My brothers\u2014I\u2019m the oldest and have three brothers\u2014they all heard it. I\u2019m telling you\u2014they all heard it because I came home, and I was really zealous. The word, \u201czealous,\u201d really applies. I <em>wanted<\/em> my family\u2014because I love them\u2014I wanted them to know this Good News that I had never heard before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And your zeal may not have been tempered with grace?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It probably wasn\u2019t because I was young. I just didn\u2019t know\u2014I really didn\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve said, though, that this was a transition point; and you started to major in Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You also met Dennis Rainey during this time; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I did meet him. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell us when and how you met Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s funny. Both of us have tried to figure out when it happened, and we can\u2019t remember. But I know that it was sometime in the fall of my sophomore year. Within a couple of months of my receiving Christ, I met him at one of the big group meetings that we had every week\u2014wasn\u2019t it?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014every week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were pretty immediately smitten by him; weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Not long after that I started kind of noticing him, I think he called. We talked on the phone a few times. I thought: \u201cThis is kind of a nice guy. I\u2019d like to go out with him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But I\u2019d never ask her out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But he wouldn\u2019t ever ask me out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why didn\u2019t you ever ask her out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He was ornery. [Laughter] No, that\u2019s not really it, I don\u2019t think; but it is part of it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That might be it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I don\u2019t know. The reality is\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because you were asking girls out, right and left; weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Now don\u2019t say that\u2014because you\u2019ve told me that you knew I kind of wanted you to ask me out. So, because you knew that \/ you sensed that I wanted to go out with you, you weren\u2019t going to ask me. So, he was ornery! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The truth is\u2014I dated nearly half of her sorority. [Laughter] I took about\u2014who knows?\u201420 or 30\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know, but you did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014of those women out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you just left her alone!?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did. I, to this day, really can\u2019t explain that other than it was timing\u2014it just wasn\u2019t the right time. We did go out one night, however, to\u2014as I recall\u2014an Italian restaurant somewhere and really had a delightful conversation. The natural thing for me to have done, after that meal, would have been for me to call her up and say, \u201cWould you like to do that again?\u201d But I didn\u2019t do that. [Laughter] I don\u2019t know if I was playing hard to get or not; but the scales kind of fell off my eyes, I guess, a couple of years later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You guys were friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, we were friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you more than acquaintances? I mean, did you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh! Let me tell you what we did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, we formed an underground Christian revolutionary group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe weren\u2019t blowing up anything\u2014nothing like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But there were students in that generation who were blowing up buildings and who were doing physical damage. We wanted to provide a counter-offensive\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Peaceful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014kind of\u2014that was a spiritual push, onto the campus, to be the opposite side of that negativity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, during student body elections, we ran \u201cChrist for Student Body President and Resident of Your Life.\u201d We created a little\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014a little flyer that was printed on both sides.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Barbara designed it\u2014she used her art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We walked all over campus, handing those out to every kid that would take one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. 5,000 of them! We wanted to make Jesus Christ the issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You did an underground newspaper; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We printed several copies. We called ourselves \u201cThe Liberators.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And are you going to tell the listeners how many of us there were in this top-secret group? [Laughter] Oh, they\u2019ll enjoy it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was a movement\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014okay, it was a movement of three. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and Barbara, and who was the third one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> His roommate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> My roommate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And we just felt like: \u201cIf Jesus is who He claimed to be,\u201d\u2014and He is!\u2014\u201cthen everybody on campus needs to know.\u201d I\u2019ll be honest with you\u2014I don\u2019t think there were many people, out of the 10,000 folks who attended the University of Arkansas, back in the late \u201860s, who didn\u2019t hear\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because we were in the student newspaper, kind of debating popular atheists\u2014and, again, trying to make Christ\u2019s claims about individual people\u2019s lives\u00a0 known to people so they could make a commitment to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, so I\u2019m going to go back\u2014now it\u2019s the junior year in college. I\u2019m having lunch with you on the campus at the University of Arkansas. I\u2019m asking you the same questions about: \u201cWhat are your dreams for life? What are you hoping to do?\u201d You were starting to formulate some thoughts. You were a year away from graduating, and you started thinking about what the next chapter of life would look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, she was thinking about marrying me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Hardly. [Laughter] No, I was starting to think about what I wanted to do with my life. The timeframe in which this happened was, not only the timeframe of a lot of student revolt on other campuses\u2014not ours but on other campuses\u2014it was also the time that Hal Lindsey wrote his book, <em>The Late Great Planet Earth<\/em>, in which he talked about the second coming of Christ. Of course, that was new information to me too\u2014all of it was\u2014but I was reading everything I could get my hands on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was convinced that he was absolutely right, as were all of the rest of us students. We were all convinced. It <em>never<\/em> occurred to me that it might not be imminent. We thought it was going to be tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day, but not as many years as it\u2019s been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what I remember from those days\u2014I remember that Israel had been formed in 1948. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thought was that Jesus would come back within a generation of the reformation of Israel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And a generation is 30\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201440 years\u201430 to 40 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I remember. So, 1978 was kind of the outer marker; and then, it got to be 1988.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then we kind of thought, \u201cWell, maybe we didn\u2019t understand that as fully as we thought we did.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201cWe don\u2019t know what a generation means,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I finally decided.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But because of all of that, my purpose in life became to live my life for Christ. I didn\u2019t know what He wanted me to do\u2014I didn\u2019t know what that meant. I didn\u2019t know where He wanted me to go, but I was fully convinced that the only choice\u2014and the very best choice\u2014was for me to live my life according to His plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had decided, by the time I was a junior, I wanted to go into ministry \/ I wanted to go onto the mission field. At that time, the most logical choice for me was to go on with Campus Crusade because that was the ministry that I was involved with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you had started college and you were a history major, were you thinking you would teach high school history, at some point? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I was just majoring in something because I had to major in something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, but you liked history\u2014you\u2019ve always liked history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I liked history; yes. I mean, I started out doing art and then switched to history. But, no, I didn\u2019t have any visions of what I was going to do with my degree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you had this spiritual transformation, now you kind of had a sense that, \u201cOkay, this is what life is supposed to be about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cfull-time, talking to folks about Jesus \/ joining the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ.\u201d Again, how did that conversation go over back home, when you told Mom and Dad that you were going to join a ministry, full-time? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it wasn\u2019t as difficult or dramatic because I\u2019d been doing it now for three years. I think they\u2019d kind of gotten used to the fact that this was what I really cared about now. They still didn\u2019t understand it because going into the ministry\u2014in their perception and, again, based on their background, which was also mine\u2014was that to be in the ministry you had to work for a church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So you were a pastor or you were employed by the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So, for me to go into a ministry, where I had to raise my own financial support and then I was going to go work on a college campus was a very new and foreign concept. But, again, they\u2019d heard me talk about it enough over those three years that, I think by then, they were just kind of resigned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ll bet her dad did research\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019m sure he did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014on Campus Crusade for Christ to make sure it wasn\u2019t a cult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think he googled it back then? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think he googled it; but if I was a betting man, I would bet your father\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because he really loved his daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think the natural tendency, back then, was to think: \u201cThis kind of seems like a cult. What\u2019s going on here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, and there were a lot of people that did think it was. But, to my parents\u2019 credit\u2014even though they didn\u2019t understand what I was doing, they were very supportive. When I would go have meetings around town and share with people that I was raising financial support to go into the ministry and I told my story, they came and listened. My mom helped bring refreshments and my dad helped set up tables. They were very supportive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think they were scratching their heads and thinking, \u201cWhere did this come from?\u201d because they never saw it coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But they were very supportive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is the late \u201860s and early \u201870s that we\u2019re talking about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Early \u201870s; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where was marriage on your radar screen? I mean, most girls in college are, at least, asking the question, \u201cI wonder when a boy will want to marry me?\u201d Were you asking that question?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I was because I was dating the third member of our group.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, the roommate!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> The roommate!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Which is a part of the reason I was part of the group, I think. [Laughter] It wasn\u2019t just my artistic skills. So, I was dating Dennis\u2019s roommate. That was part of the reason we were a trio\u2014and we really were a trio. We did almost everything together. That\u2019s part of the way I got to know Dennis because he was just a really, really good friend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was wondering, in the back of my mind, my junior and senior year, if marriage to this other guy was God\u2019s will; but I was still committed, no matter what, to figuring out what God\u2019s will was for my life because that was more important to me than marriage was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf marriage was a part of God\u2019s will, then I was going to go that way; but doing what God wanted me to do was more important than anything. I didn\u2019t know, for sure, if that included marriage; but it could have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you could have been content, as a single person? You were not so caught up in the priority of marriage that\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No, I wasn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that you would have been unhappy, as a single?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t know. I probably would have been unhappy, at points, had I stayed single for a long time; but I remember very clearly, my first year on staff with Campus Crusade, having this thought process go through my head. I had since called off the relationship with this boyfriend because it was very obvious to me that it was not God\u2019s will. So, I had walked away from that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking that year: \u201cYou know, relationships are just <em>really <\/em>complicated. I really don\u2019t want to go through another dating relationship unless I know, for sure, it\u2019s the man God wants me to marry.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI kind of made this deal with God; and I said: \u201cLord, I want to do whatever You want me to do. If I\u2019m single until I\u2019m 30, then that is fine with me because I only want to do what you want to do.\u201d I was <em>determined<\/em> that I wasn\u2019t going to get in God\u2019s way. If that was a part of His plan for me, great; and if it wasn\u2019t, then I knew what He had\u2014if I was single for the next ten years\u2014that that was going to be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To that\u2014I would like to say what I say to my grandkids when I tell them what is called, \u201cA Continue Story.\u201d You\u2019ll have to wait\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughter] \u2014\u201cto hear the rest of the story!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to hear the rest of the story. To which my grandkids say: \u201cOhhhhhh, Papa! Oh, noooo. You can\u2019t do that! It\u2019s on the edge of the cliff!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I think it\u2019s helpful to reflect back on the fact that this priority of serving Christ was really allowing you to be content in every area of life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because so many people, who are discontented with where they are in life, are discontented because they\u2019ve made the wrong thing the priority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; and Paul said, \u201cIn whatever state you\u2019re in, to be content.\u201d There are days when that is not easy to do\u2014but he is saying what I said\u2014which is that: \u201cGod\u2019s plan is better than your plan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And if you can recognize that where He has you is the best place for you to be, then you can be content.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright, we\u2019re going to have to ask our listeners to just put this story on pause for 24 hours. We\u2019ll pick it back up when we get back together tomorrow, but I do want to encourage our listeners to check out what you\u2019ve been working on with the resources you\u2019re developing in the Ever Thine Home collection. Some of these resources are appropriate to this particular season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve got a Valentine\u2019s resource called \u201cHow Do I Love Thee?\u201d where families can explore what real love looks like by looking together at 1 Corinthians, Chapter 13. It\u2019s done in the form of a garland that you can hang in the home\u2014in the kitchen \/ wherever it fits in your house. Each day, you can read about a different aspect of what godly love looks like\u2014that\u2019s just one of the resources. There are Lenten resources, like the \u201cMessiah Mystery.\u201d You\u2019ve got resources for Easter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tProbably the easiest thing for folks to do is just go directly to EverThineHome.com to see what you\u2019ve been working on. Again, the website for Barbara\u2019s resources is called EverThineHome.com. You can go there and see all that she\u2019s been working on. You can order directly from her website if you\u2019d like. If you have any questions about Barbara\u2019s resources, call us, toll-free, at 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d\u20141-800-FL-TODAY is our toll-free number.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know\u2014our goal, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is to provide help for relationships\u2014that\u2019s with your extended family; if you\u2019re married, it\u2019s your relationship with your husband; if you have children, your relationship with your children; extended family members; friends. We want to provide practical biblical help for what Jesus said is the second-most important commandment. After loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, the second commandment is to love others as you love yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s our focus, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014to help you understand what the Bible has to say about how we are to love one another. It\u2019s always encouraging for us to hear from listeners who let us know that God is using this ministry in your life, in your marriage, and in your family. We want to offer a word of thanks, on your behalf, to the folks who make this daily radio program possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are listener-supported. It is listeners, like you, who pitch in, from time to time, to help cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program. They are our partners in the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re grateful for that partnership. If you can make a donation to help support this ministry today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Dennis and Barbara\u2019s daily devotional guide for couples called <em>Moments with You. <\/em>It\u2019s 365 devotions designed to give you a Scripture to read each day, a brief devotion you can read each day, some questions for conversation, and then something you can pray together about each day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s our gift to you, here in the new year, as you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Do that by going online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014you can make a donation over the phone. Be sure to ask for the <em>Moments with You<\/em> devotional when you do that. Or send your request for the devotional, along with your donation, to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to pick up Barbara Rainey\u2019s story and hear how she went from being a contented single to a surprised bride-to-be. It was a little bit of a surprise. You\u2019ll hear the story if you can join us tomorrow. I hope you can tune in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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Rainey talks about the events that lead to meeting Dennis Rainey, who would later become her husband. Though Barbara's major was history, her passion was, she admits, following Christ.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2015-01-27.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There was a point in Barbara Rainey\u2019s life when, as a college student, she broke up with her boyfriend and had to face the possibility that God\u2019s plan for her might be a lifetime of singleness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That relationship was not a good relationship. I knew that God had more for me. I knew what He had was going to be healthy and right and better than I\u2019d ever dreamed of. I was determined I wasn\u2019t going to get in God\u2019s way. If that was a part of His plan for me, great; and if it wasn\u2019t, then I knew what He had\u2014if I was single for the next ten years\u2014that that was going to be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, January 27<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. How do you cultivate contentment in life when it seems that God\u2019s plan is different than your plan? We\u2019ll explore that with Barbara Rainey today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. We\u2019re spending some time this week exploring the seasons \/ the chapters\u2014the evolution of a woman\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Evolution?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, well, our lives evolve.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> They change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re not talking about a woman turning from a monkey into a human. That\u2019s not what I meant by that. [Laughter] We\u2019re talking about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I wasn\u2019t thinking about that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay. I just want to make sure Ken Ham understands that we\u2019re on the right page here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019re exploring the fact that, in different seasons, priorities can shift \/ purpose can be adjusted and that, over a lifetime, you can experience a lot of what God has for you. It doesn\u2019t all have to be crammed into a couple of years; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It doesn\u2019t. I think what my wife\u2019s story\u2014who joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014welcome back, honey\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014what her story illustrates is that you can be brought up in a home that goes to church and, maybe, tries to introduce a child to God but may not get the job done because of timing in the child\u2019s life. We, as parents, need to really pay attention to the spiritual dimension of our children and do our best to raise our children to understand who God is\u2014how we\u2019re accountable to Him and how we can come into a right relationship with Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I think teenagers and young adults are asking those kinds of big questions, all the time: \u201cWhere did I come from?\u201d \u201cWhy am I here?\u201d \u201cWhere am I going?\u201d \u201cWhat\u2019s life all about?\u201d They\u2019re chewing on that kind of stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They are and, as we heard earlier from Barbara, this decision to receive Christ that she made was life-determinative. I mean, we are where we are today because of the decision she made. I don\u2019t think I would have married her if she hadn\u2019t made this decision, nor would she have married me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014if you weren\u2019t on the same page, spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, we\u2019ve had a chance, this week, as well to get an update on some of what you\u2019re working on currently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re involved in developing discipleship resources for parents that can be used in the home that are beautiful but that also have some spiritual significance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the things we haven\u2019t really talked about is a resource you designed for the Lenten season to help prepare people for the celebration of Easter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of Protestants have shied away from Lent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They think of it as something that Roman Catholics do or Eastern Orthodox people do\u2014something that Protestants <em>don\u2019t do<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you, in recent years, started kind of getting your mind and heart ready for Easter by doing some Lenten practices; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. I think it\u2019s been very interesting to see that the Protestant Christian community is opening their eyes and hearts to the benefits of preparing ourselves to celebrate Easter. In much the same way that we do Advent to prepare to celebrate Christmas, I think Lent is a time to prepare to celebrate the crucifixion of Christ and His resurrection.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHonestly, one of my favorite products that we\u2019ve created\u2014one of the <em>best resources<\/em>, I think, that we\u2019ve done\u2014is this one for Lent. It\u2019s called \u201cMessiah Mystery.\u201d It\u2019s a journal book that has six lessons, for lack of a better word, that you can do with your family\u2014one each week for the six weeks of Lent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat it does is\u2014it takes you from Genesis, where the promise of Christ was first given, and then, for the next six weeks, you study when Isaac was supposed to be sacrificed and how God intervened. Then you talk about the Passover: \u201cWhy did God even start the Passover? Why do the Jews celebrate the Passover every year? What does it mean? What is its connection with Easter?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the course of six weeks, you walk your way through the Old Testament and you discover, as a family, all of these clues that God hid in the Old Testament. As a family, you can discover them together. It\u2019s a way for moms and dads to teach their children some really profound biblical truth from the Old Testament; but it\u2019s also a way for moms and dads to learn, too, because, as moms and dads, we always learn more when we\u2019re teaching our kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I have to say\u2014what I think I said the first year when we sold out of all of these when we offered them, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>: \u201cI\u2019ll give you your money back if you don\u2019t learn something that you didn\u2019t know about the Savior from this study.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is really a fun\/entertaining, but rich, study of the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>As you lead your kids through it, you\u2019re going to turn to each other\u2014I know because I went to seminary and I turned to Barbara, at one point after she had written this thing\u2014and I said, \u201cI didn\u2019t know that!\u201d [Laughter] It was really kind of fun to have those discussions, though. There\u2019s a magnifying glass that goes with this\u2014there are clues. It is entertaining\u2014while, at the same time, enriching.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage listeners: \u201cIf you go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d you can see some of what Barbara has been working on. There\u2019s a link there for Ever Thine Home. Click the Ever Thine Home link and all of the resources that Barbara has been developing are available there.\u201d Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the \u201cGO DEEPER\u201d link and then the Ever Thine Home link. You can see all that Barbara has been working on and order some of these resources, if you\u2019d like, as you get ready for Lent and for Easter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we asked you to come this week, Barbara, so that we could talk about the different seasons of a woman\u2019s life and really start to explore: \u201cWhat should be a woman\u2019s priorities in the various seasons or chapters of life?\u201d We\u2019ve already talked about your teenage years and about your college years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve heard about how you came to faith in Christ during your sophomore year of college. That really was a pivot time for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You started to think about life differently as a result.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Very differently! By the time I got to be a junior in college\u2014you know, after those two years of my sophomore and junior year, I was really majoring in Christianity and in Christ. I was not majoring in history anymore. Now, I went to class\u2014I studied \/ I made decent grades\u2014but what I was living for was not graduation. I was not living for what my history degree was going to get me\u2014I was living for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, all my spare time \/ all of my free time, I was in Bible studies. I was talking to other girls and guys on campus. I was going on retreats. It was my passion \/ it was my focus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you tell your mom and dad that you\u2019d had this spiritual transformation? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I did. I was so <em>amazed<\/em> that I had never heard this before! Where did I miss this? So I went home, and I started telling my parents all about this. My brothers\u2014I\u2019m the oldest and have three brothers\u2014they all heard it. I\u2019m telling you\u2014they all heard it because I came home, and I was really zealous. The word, \u201czealous,\u201d really applies. I <em>wanted<\/em> my family\u2014because I love them\u2014I wanted them to know this Good News that I had never heard before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And your zeal may not have been tempered with grace?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> It probably wasn\u2019t because I was young. I just didn\u2019t know\u2014I really didn\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve said, though, that this was a transition point; and you started to major in Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You also met Dennis Rainey during this time; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I did meet him. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell us when and how you met Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s funny. Both of us have tried to figure out when it happened, and we can\u2019t remember. But I know that it was sometime in the fall of my sophomore year. Within a couple of months of my receiving Christ, I met him at one of the big group meetings that we had every week\u2014wasn\u2019t it?\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014every week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You were pretty immediately smitten by him; weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Not long after that I started kind of noticing him, I think he called. We talked on the phone a few times. I thought: \u201cThis is kind of a nice guy. I\u2019d like to go out with him.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But I\u2019d never ask her out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But he wouldn\u2019t ever ask me out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why didn\u2019t you ever ask her out?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> He was ornery. [Laughter] No, that\u2019s not really it, I don\u2019t think; but it is part of it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That might be it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I don\u2019t know. The reality is\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because you were asking girls out, right and left; weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Now don\u2019t say that\u2014because you\u2019ve told me that you knew I kind of wanted you to ask me out. So, because you knew that \/ you sensed that I wanted to go out with you, you weren\u2019t going to ask me. So, he was ornery! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The truth is\u2014I dated nearly half of her sorority. [Laughter] I took about\u2014who knows?\u201420 or 30\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know, but you did!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014of those women out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you just left her alone!?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I did. I, to this day, really can\u2019t explain that other than it was timing\u2014it just wasn\u2019t the right time. We did go out one night, however, to\u2014as I recall\u2014an Italian restaurant somewhere and really had a delightful conversation. The natural thing for me to have done, after that meal, would have been for me to call her up and say, \u201cWould you like to do that again?\u201d But I didn\u2019t do that. [Laughter] I don\u2019t know if I was playing hard to get or not; but the scales kind of fell off my eyes, I guess, a couple of years later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You guys were friends. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, we were friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Were you more than acquaintances? I mean, did you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh! Let me tell you what we did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, we formed an underground Christian revolutionary group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe weren\u2019t blowing up anything\u2014nothing like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But there were students in that generation who were blowing up buildings and who were doing physical damage. We wanted to provide a counter-offensive\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Peaceful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014kind of\u2014that was a spiritual push, onto the campus, to be the opposite side of that negativity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, during student body elections, we ran \u201cChrist for Student Body President and Resident of Your Life.\u201d We created a little\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u2014a little flyer that was printed on both sides.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Barbara designed it\u2014she used her art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> We walked all over campus, handing those out to every kid that would take one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. 5,000 of them! We wanted to make Jesus Christ the issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You did an underground newspaper; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We printed several copies. We called ourselves \u201cThe Liberators.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes; okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And are you going to tell the listeners how many of us there were in this top-secret group? [Laughter] Oh, they\u2019ll enjoy it!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was a movement\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014okay, it was a movement of three. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You and Barbara, and who was the third one?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> His roommate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> My roommate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And we just felt like: \u201cIf Jesus is who He claimed to be,\u201d\u2014and He is!\u2014\u201cthen everybody on campus needs to know.\u201d I\u2019ll be honest with you\u2014I don\u2019t think there were many people, out of the 10,000 folks who attended the University of Arkansas, back in the late \u201860s, who didn\u2019t hear\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because we were in the student newspaper, kind of debating popular atheists\u2014and, again, trying to make Christ\u2019s claims about individual people\u2019s lives\u00a0 known to people so they could make a commitment to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay, so I\u2019m going to go back\u2014now it\u2019s the junior year in college. I\u2019m having lunch with you on the campus at the University of Arkansas. I\u2019m asking you the same questions about: \u201cWhat are your dreams for life? What are you hoping to do?\u201d You were starting to formulate some thoughts. You were a year away from graduating, and you started thinking about what the next chapter of life would look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, she was thinking about marrying me. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Hardly. [Laughter] No, I was starting to think about what I wanted to do with my life. The timeframe in which this happened was, not only the timeframe of a lot of student revolt on other campuses\u2014not ours but on other campuses\u2014it was also the time that Hal Lindsey wrote his book, <em>The Late Great Planet Earth<\/em>, in which he talked about the second coming of Christ. Of course, that was new information to me too\u2014all of it was\u2014but I was reading everything I could get my hands on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was convinced that he was absolutely right, as were all of the rest of us students. We were all convinced. It <em>never<\/em> occurred to me that it might not be imminent. We thought it was going to be tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day, but not as many years as it\u2019s been.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s what I remember from those days\u2014I remember that Israel had been formed in 1948. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The thought was that Jesus would come back within a generation of the reformation of Israel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And a generation is 30\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201440 years\u201430 to 40 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I remember. So, 1978 was kind of the outer marker; and then, it got to be 1988.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And then we kind of thought, \u201cWell, maybe we didn\u2019t understand that as fully as we thought we did.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> \u201cWe don\u2019t know what a generation means,\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what I finally decided.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But because of all of that, my purpose in life became to live my life for Christ. I didn\u2019t know what He wanted me to do\u2014I didn\u2019t know what that meant. I didn\u2019t know where He wanted me to go, but I was fully convinced that the only choice\u2014and the very best choice\u2014was for me to live my life according to His plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had decided, by the time I was a junior, I wanted to go into ministry \/ I wanted to go onto the mission field. At that time, the most logical choice for me was to go on with Campus Crusade because that was the ministry that I was involved with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When you had started college and you were a history major, were you thinking you would teach high school history, at some point? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I was just majoring in something because I had to major in something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, but you liked history\u2014you\u2019ve always liked history.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I liked history; yes. I mean, I started out doing art and then switched to history. But, no, I didn\u2019t have any visions of what I was going to do with my degree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you had this spiritual transformation, now you kind of had a sense that, \u201cOkay, this is what life is supposed to be about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cfull-time, talking to folks about Jesus \/ joining the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ.\u201d Again, how did that conversation go over back home, when you told Mom and Dad that you were going to join a ministry, full-time? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, it wasn\u2019t as difficult or dramatic because I\u2019d been doing it now for three years. I think they\u2019d kind of gotten used to the fact that this was what I really cared about now. They still didn\u2019t understand it because going into the ministry\u2014in their perception and, again, based on their background, which was also mine\u2014was that to be in the ministry you had to work for a church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So you were a pastor or you were employed by the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> So, for me to go into a ministry, where I had to raise my own financial support and then I was going to go work on a college campus was a very new and foreign concept. But, again, they\u2019d heard me talk about it enough over those three years that, I think by then, they were just kind of resigned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ll bet her dad did research\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Oh, I\u2019m sure he did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014on Campus Crusade for Christ to make sure it wasn\u2019t a cult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think he googled it back then? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think he googled it; but if I was a betting man, I would bet your father\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because he really loved his daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think the natural tendency, back then, was to think: \u201cThis kind of seems like a cult. What\u2019s going on here?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, and there were a lot of people that did think it was. But, to my parents\u2019 credit\u2014even though they didn\u2019t understand what I was doing, they were very supportive. When I would go have meetings around town and share with people that I was raising financial support to go into the ministry and I told my story, they came and listened. My mom helped bring refreshments and my dad helped set up tables. They were very supportive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think they were scratching their heads and thinking, \u201cWhere did this come from?\u201d because they never saw it coming.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> But they were very supportive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is the late \u201860s and early \u201870s that we\u2019re talking about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Early \u201870s; yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where was marriage on your radar screen? I mean, most girls in college are, at least, asking the question, \u201cI wonder when a boy will want to marry me?\u201d Were you asking that question?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes, I was because I was dating the third member of our group.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Oh, the roommate!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> The roommate!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Which is a part of the reason I was part of the group, I think. [Laughter] It wasn\u2019t just my artistic skills. So, I was dating Dennis\u2019s roommate. That was part of the reason we were a trio\u2014and we really were a trio. We did almost everything together. That\u2019s part of the way I got to know Dennis because he was just a really, really good friend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was wondering, in the back of my mind, my junior and senior year, if marriage to this other guy was God\u2019s will; but I was still committed, no matter what, to figuring out what God\u2019s will was for my life because that was more important to me than marriage was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf marriage was a part of God\u2019s will, then I was going to go that way; but doing what God wanted me to do was more important than anything. I didn\u2019t know, for sure, if that included marriage; but it could have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you could have been content, as a single person? You were not so caught up in the priority of marriage that\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> No, I wasn\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014that you would have been unhappy, as a single?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Well, I don\u2019t know. I probably would have been unhappy, at points, had I stayed single for a long time; but I remember very clearly, my first year on staff with Campus Crusade, having this thought process go through my head. I had since called off the relationship with this boyfriend because it was very obvious to me that it was not God\u2019s will. So, I had walked away from that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember thinking that year: \u201cYou know, relationships are just <em>really <\/em>complicated. I really don\u2019t want to go through another dating relationship unless I know, for sure, it\u2019s the man God wants me to marry.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI kind of made this deal with God; and I said: \u201cLord, I want to do whatever You want me to do. If I\u2019m single until I\u2019m 30, then that is fine with me because I only want to do what you want to do.\u201d I was <em>determined<\/em> that I wasn\u2019t going to get in God\u2019s way. If that was a part of His plan for me, great; and if it wasn\u2019t, then I knew what He had\u2014if I was single for the next ten years\u2014that that was going to be better.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To that\u2014I would like to say what I say to my grandkids when I tell them what is called, \u201cA Continue Story.\u201d You\u2019ll have to wait\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Laughter] \u2014\u201cto hear the rest of the story!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to hear the rest of the story. To which my grandkids say: \u201cOhhhhhh, Papa! Oh, noooo. You can\u2019t do that! It\u2019s on the edge of the cliff!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I think it\u2019s helpful to reflect back on the fact that this priority of serving Christ was really allowing you to be content in every area of life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014because so many people, who are discontented with where they are in life, are discontented because they\u2019ve made the wrong thing the priority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yes; and Paul said, \u201cIn whatever state you\u2019re in, to be content.\u201d There are days when that is not easy to do\u2014but he is saying what I said\u2014which is that: \u201cGod\u2019s plan is better than your plan.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> And if you can recognize that where He has you is the best place for you to be, then you can be content.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alright, we\u2019re going to have to ask our listeners to just put this story on pause for 24 hours. We\u2019ll pick it back up when we get back together tomorrow, but I do want to encourage our listeners to check out what you\u2019ve been working on with the resources you\u2019re developing in the Ever Thine Home collection. Some of these resources are appropriate to this particular season.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019ve got a Valentine\u2019s resource called \u201cHow Do I Love Thee?\u201d where families can explore what real love looks like by looking together at 1 Corinthians, Chapter 13. It\u2019s done in the form of a garland that you can hang in the home\u2014in the kitchen \/ wherever it fits in your house. Each day, you can read about a different aspect of what godly love looks like\u2014that\u2019s just one of the resources. There are Lenten resources, like the \u201cMessiah Mystery.\u201d You\u2019ve got resources for Easter. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tProbably the easiest thing for folks to do is just go directly to EverThineHome.com to see what you\u2019ve been working on. Again, the website for Barbara\u2019s resources is called EverThineHome.com. You can go there and see all that she\u2019s been working on. You can order directly from her website if you\u2019d like. If you have any questions about Barbara\u2019s resources, call us, toll-free, at 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d\u20141-800-FL-TODAY is our toll-free number.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know\u2014our goal, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is to provide help for relationships\u2014that\u2019s with your extended family; if you\u2019re married, it\u2019s your relationship with your husband; if you have children, your relationship with your children; extended family members; friends. We want to provide practical biblical help for what Jesus said is the second-most important commandment. After loving the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, the second commandment is to love others as you love yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s our focus, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014to help you understand what the Bible has to say about how we are to love one another. It\u2019s always encouraging for us to hear from listeners who let us know that God is using this ministry in your life, in your marriage, and in your family. We want to offer a word of thanks, on your behalf, to the folks who make this daily radio program possible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are listener-supported. It is listeners, like you, who pitch in, from time to time, to help cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program. They are our partners in the work of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We\u2019re grateful for that partnership. If you can make a donation to help support this ministry today, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a copy of Dennis and Barbara\u2019s daily devotional guide for couples called <em>Moments with You. <\/em>It\u2019s 365 devotions designed to give you a Scripture to read each day, a brief devotion you can read each day, some questions for conversation, and then something you can pray together about each day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s our gift to you, here in the new year, as you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Do that by going online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014you can make a donation over the phone. Be sure to ask for the <em>Moments with You<\/em> devotional when you do that. Or send your request for the devotional, along with your donation, to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to pick up Barbara Rainey\u2019s story and hear how she went from being a contented single to a surprised bride-to-be. It was a little bit of a surprise. You\u2019ll hear the story if you can join us tomorrow. I hope you can tune in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. 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