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They\u2019ve been married 66 years now. He says he was interested in dating, but she had something higher\u2014something more significant on her mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>I wanted to talk about other things, but she talked about Jesus. It was personal for her, and she talked about Him as though He were alive and well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, one night, I went walking alone\u2014said: \u201cGod, what\u2019s this all about?\u00a0 I\u2019ve grown up in the church\u2014had all these pins in Sunday school and know all the stories\u2014but I don\u2019t know what it means.\u201d\u00a0 And Jesus\u2019s words came to me\u2014I don\u2019t know where I learned them\u2014Jesus said: \u201cI am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.\u201d\u00a0 That night, I invited Christ into my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, December 23<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll talk today to Carl Wilson. We\u2019ll hear a love story that goes back more than six decades. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition. This was kind of an unexpected treat for you this year\u2014to get to sit down with somebody you hadn\u2019t seen in decades; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Really; yes. Carl Wilson was instrumental in my life in terms of really setting Barbara and me out on a good, healthy spiritual path within the first four months of our marriage. But I don\u2019t want to steal that story just yet. He\u2019s the guy who had the conversation with me about praying with my wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI do want to say something to the listeners\u2014I know it is Christmas week here and you are busy finishing\u2014probably, some of you\u2014gift purchasing, and gift wrapping, and preparation for the holidays. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I\u2019d like you to just, perhaps, stop and think about what <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> has meant to you this past year\u2014perhaps, how we\u2019ve helped you in resolving conflict in your marriage, or with your children, or with your adult children, or maybe with your parents, as an adult. Maybe, we\u2019ve helped you, as a single person, prepare for marriage or, perhaps, give you a healthier perspective of what marriage and family are all about, according to a noble purpose out of the Bible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe, we\u2019ve helped you develop more of a biblical approach to raising children and tackling some of the touchy cultural issues that are coming at parents today\u2014that, frankly, they are bewildered by \/ they\u2019re confused by. They are not sure how to answer the question. We\u2019ve tried to help you answer those questions and raise your children to follow Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ve benefitted, I\u2019d just like to challenge you\u2014I\u2019d like to ask you to join with us, if you\u2019ve not given yet, to our end-of-year matching challenge. We\u2019ve got a large gift that has been established by a number of families, and we\u2019re still short. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe need more donors to step up and say, \u201cI want to make sure we take full advantage of that, and I want to make sure we keep <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on the air on this station and all across the country\u201d\u2014because as you know, Bob, we are touching all 50 states. If there has ever been a time when there needed to be practical biblical help and hope for marriage and family, it\u2019s today. <br><br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and as you mentioned, there is a matching-gift fund that has been established. Every time a listener makes a donation\u2014if you make a $50 donation, it becomes a $100 donation\u2014just like that. We are able to draw on those funds as soon as the gift arrives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, would you consider going to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014clicking in the upper right-hand corner of our website, where it says, \u201cI Care\u201d?\u2014you can make an online donation that way. Or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can make your donation over the phone, and you can send us a Christmas card with a donation in it if you like. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you have a few leftover Christmas cards, just send one to us and mail it to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. We want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for your financial support. We appreciate you, and we do hope to hear from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we\u2019re going to listen in on a conversation that took place, a while back, as your friend, Carl Wilson, came to Little Rock and spent some time with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What a sweet guy!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And we talked with him about some of his life lessons around marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is a real veteran of marriage. So, listen up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s ever occurred to you that maybe one of the reasons they\u2019ve been married as long as they\u2019ve been married is because they both have degrees in chemistry; huh?\u00a0 Did you ever think about that\u2014[Laughter]\u2014Carl and Sara Jo, both with degrees in chemistry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. No doubt about it. I didn\u2019t know that about you, Carl. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really interesting to read your\u2014really all your accomplishments\u2014all those grandkids\/great grandkids and married since 1948\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to Sara Jo. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Sixty-six years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Glad you\u2019re here!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Good to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Carl, I\u2019ve been here since 1992\u2014I have heard Dennis tell this story a hundred times. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s been a hundred times\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Over a hundred times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014because Dennis <em>routinely<\/em> tells people that right after he and Barbara got married\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, let\u2019s see if he remembers. Do you remember the advice you gave me when I was starting out our marriage?\u00a0 We\u2019d been married about four months\u2014I wouldn\u2019t expect you to know that\u2014but it was\u2014I remember it was in December of 1972. I came to you and I asked you a question: \u201cCarl, you\u2019ve been married about 25 years, and you\u2019ve got five kids. What\u2019s the best single piece of advice you\u2019d give me, as a young man, starting out my marriage?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you remember this conversation at all?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You do?!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You do remember it?!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can you remember what you told Dennis?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What did you tell him?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>I told him that, every night, he should read the Word, and have prayer together, and then kiss each other good night. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I got one-third of it right!\u2014[Laughter]\u2014and it\u2019s not the kissing part. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis\u2014Dennis, for years, has told people\/audiences, on radio, live speaking\u2014he\u2019s said, \u201cBest marriage advice I ever got was from Carl Wilson and Sara Jo.\u201d\u00a0 He said you called him, \u201cDenny.\u201d\u00a0 You said, \u201cYou need to pray with your wife every day\u201d; and he said, because of that advice, that\u2019s what he\u2019s been doing for the last four-plus decades. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I\u2019ve shared with the <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> audience, and at speaking engagements, that I\u2019m not sure I would still be married because both Barbara and I are very strong-willed, stubborn, selfish human beings. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat prayer did for our marriage was\u2014it got two broken people to bend their wills before Almighty God. There is something about that spiritual discipline that will change the course of your life, your marriage, your family, and your legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, have you and Sara Jo prayed together, read the Scriptures, and kissed every night for six-plus decades?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>For 66 years, we\u2019ve done it. Now, sometimes, we\u2019ve only had the prayer, but I\u2019m sure that that has been one of the things that has been most strengthening to our marriage in all these years. She and I are both very strong-willed, and we came out of different backgrounds. My father was wealthy\u2014made wealth and lost it all in the Great Depression\u2014became an alcoholic \/ was unfaithful to my mother. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey were divorced and, later, he committed suicide. So, I grew up without a father. My mother treated me like I was the man of the family\u2014she treated me with dignity. That\u2019s one of the things that led to me having an honorable relationship and attitude toward women and sex. I\u2019m grateful to God that my wife and I have been faithful to each other all these years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Who gave you the advice to pray with your wife every night?\u00a0 Do you remember?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>The Lord did, I guess. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019d say that\u2019s a pretty good source!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And what would your prayer with Sara Jo look like, even now as you pray with her at night?\u00a0 How much time?\u00a0 What does it look like?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s not always the same\u2014but we pray for our family, our children, people that I\u2019ve witnessed to in the day and shared with\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014women and men\u2014mostly a lot of women that I talk with are hurting so much now, especially women without husbands and raising children. We read the Word, though, and we do discuss it some; but it\u2019s basically praying for each other \/ for own needs, for our friends, and anybody that\u2019s come for counseling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Dennis says sometimes his prayers with Barbara are, maybe, 30 seconds. Does that count\u2014if it\u2019s just 30 seconds?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>It\u2019s usually longer than that with Sara Jo\u2014[Laughter]\u2014I can\u2019t get off with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, those are nights when it\u2019s like, \u201cOkay, God, this has been a full day\u2014\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201c\u2014we\u2019re both whipped. You know us well. You know our needs. We love you. Goodnight.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>We have some prayers about like that. [Laughter]\u00a0 Look, it still keeps Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There you go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>\u2014in the center of your marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are other things that I do that I think are really helpful. I get up every morning and fix breakfast. Then, when she gets up, I have my time with the Lord. I always kiss her and tell her I love her, every morning and every night\u2014she doesn\u2019t always believe it. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Let\u2019s go back to when you met Sara Jo. How did you two first connect?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>I went to Maryville College. I enrolled with a plan of going out as a medical missionary. So, I was taking chemistry and biology. She was in an organic chemistry class with me. She was struggling to hook up the apparatus for an experiment\u2014of course, I came to the rescue. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a beautiful, golden-haired girl\u2014brilliant. I found out she was so smart\u2014so, I started studying with her. [Laughter]\u00a0 That\u2019s how I got to meet her. She didn\u2019t know the Lord at the time, but I had started work on campus and getting\u2014I had a group of many people that were meeting\u2014and she started going with me to that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You had not been a Christian very long. You came to faith while you were in the Navy; is that right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>That\u2019s correct. It was amazing what God did to me. After I became a Christian, I, fortunately, got to sit under a very good Bible teacher. I met a layman who took me witnessing with him to the jails. One thing led to another and I, ultimately, was made a chaplain of a base\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>\u2014because the chaplain got discharged. They didn\u2019t know who to turn it over to\u2014so they let me run the chaplain\u2019s office. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had great Bible studies and reached a lot of men for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, tell the story of the young woman who invited you to church and how that changed everything for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Carl: <\/strong>Her name was Barbara Blanton, and she was a Christian. After we had eaten lunch with the family, we went in a room. I wanted to talk about other things, but she talked about Jesus. It was personal for her\u2014Christ was in her life, and she talked about Him as though He were alive and well. Then, she took me to some meetings with some of her friends; and they were the same way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, one night, I went walking alone\u2014said: \u201cGod, what\u2019s this all about?\u00a0 I\u2019ve grown up in church\u2014had all these pins in Sunday school \/ know all the stories\u2014but I don\u2019t know what it means.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI want to know how to know You.\u201d\u00a0 Jesus\u2019s words came to me\u2014I don\u2019t know where I\u2019d learned them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJesus said: \u201cI\u2019m the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.\u201d\u00a0 And that night, I invited Christ into my life\u2014that began to change my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, back to your relationship with Sara Jo. How did you propose?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Well, we had dated for a couple of years by that time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you had helped her pass chemistry, at that point. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Well, we both did well in chemistry. I was better in organic chemistry than she was though. We both were assistants to the professors, and we both got accepted into med school\u2014Bowman Gray Med School. We had to wait a year to go; but anyway, we went on a bus to Knoxville for some reason\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014maybe, for me to speak at a student meeting or something over there. On the way back, I proposed on the bus to her. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You, romantic guy, you\u2014proposing on the bus. But you said, when you met her, she wasn\u2019t a believer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How did she come to faith?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>She started going to this meeting with me. We had about 125 students that would come and share their faith, and one of us would speak. She says that she came to Christ through me; but it was really at the meeting and seeing Christ alive in people that, I think, changed her. She was a do-gooder. She was going to be a medical doctor too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things that meant most to her was\u2014she came later to understand that it\u2019s Christ in us that lives a Christian life. We can\u2019t live it\u2014it\u2019s His power. He\u2019s the only superman. He\u2019s the only One that could ever please God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, she learned that only through Christ could she live the Christian life. I guess that she needed that to love me\u2014put up with me. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think we all understand that\u2014not you\u2014but our own selves\u2014realizing we need a spouse who has Christ in his life or her life in the marriage relationship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo you remember when you and I first met?\u00a0 I was on staff, of course, with the high school ministry of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>I can\u2019t remember when we first met, Dennis; but I remember you being in staff meetings. I remember you and Barbara invited us to dinner, but I had already started these seminars on family life. I talked to the staff some about it; and I guess, at one time, you and I were talking and this came up\u2014but I can\u2019t remember how. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you went to Carl for advice on marriage, you had seen him in a healthy marriage with five kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You also taught classes on this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s why you sought him out?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I saw a genuine life\u2014who had lived it out for 25 years with five kids. There is a lot of reality with five kids. He had done a great job of leading in an organization, and I\u2019d sat under his teaching on a number of occasions. So, it was only natural to go to him, as a mentor, and say, \u201cWhat\u2019s the best advice you can give me, as a young man, starting out my marriage?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And Carl, you had never made it to med school. You had actually wound up on the staff of Campus Crusade for Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>I had a year to wait because there was such a glut of veterans trying to get into med school. They accepted us for the following year, and I had two invitations. I had spoken on campuses in five states, while I was still a student at Maryville. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the same time, university learned about my work with missions and emphasizing going overseas to missions. So, they invited me to work with them on the west coast for that year. My wife was expecting then\u2014my mother lived out on the west coast, and that seemed the best thing to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tActually, we went through Wycliffe training in the summer, and she made the highest grades in the class\u2014I made an A+, myself. [Laughter] They wanted us to go out to the mission field, but my burden was evangelism and missions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>But anyway, when I went to the west coast, I worked out there with IV [InterVarsity]; but I also got familiar with Fuller Seminary. That\u2019s how I ended up going to Fuller and, then, deciding\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014we both decided that was what I should do. And then, she went through Biola missionary nursing school; but she never practiced nursing except with me and the kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut my wife feels really satisfied. She said to me last week, \u201cI didn\u2019t get to go to med school,\u201d\u2014she was brilliant and she always pursued high grades and things\u2014but she said, \u201cYou know, raising five children and all of these grandchildren have been my life and what God called me to do.\u201d\u00a0 Of course, taking care of me, and looking after me, and helping me\u2014my wife is brilliant. She knows books better than anybody\u2014and when I\u2019m doing research, I can\u2014she can find it for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Carl, you\u2019ve written a book called <em>The Power of New Covenant Love<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are a lot of listeners, who are listening to us right now. When they hear the phrase, \u201cnew covenant love,\u201d they aren\u2019t exactly sure what that is and what that looks like. How would you describe this new covenant love that has endured for 66 years with you and Sara Jo?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carl: <\/strong>Well, it goes back to the central concept of Christianity. On the last night, Jesus was with His disciples\u2014you remember\u2014they were arguing who was going to be the greatest\u2014and He washed their feet, and He served their supper. Then, He said to them, \u201cA new commandment, I give you, that you love one another as I have loved you.\u201d\u00a0 Then, He went on, that very night, and talked about: \u201cYou can ask anything in My name, and I\u2019m going to send you the helper. I\u2019m not going to leave you as orphans. I\u2019m going to be in you by the Spirit.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat statement comes up through all the New Testament\u2014people don\u2019t realize it. Paul constantly comes back to\u2014love, love, love, love, love. And the only way we can do that is His love in us\u2014His Holy Spirit working in us. If we die with Him\u2014which is what the Scriptures call us to do\u2014that\u2019s the only way we can change. We can\u2019t change ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, the only way that the problem of sin can be dealt with is by dying with Christ. The cross is what gives us the power to love each other; and as we let Christ take over, the first place it needs to be applied is in the family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014listening back to the first part of that conversation with Carl Wilson\u2014and by the way, we are going to hear Part Two of that tomorrow\u2014I was struck with the fact that, at heart, Carl was all about the Great Commission. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He really is. He\u2019s about spiritual multiplication, and it starts at home. He nailed it there, at the end, about Christ being the builder. He is the One who created your marriage\u2014He can make it work. I know you\u2019re married to a broken person. Barbara and I, each, are married to broken people; but it takes Christ to help the ego and the selfishness be surrendered to Him and help two imperfect people go the distance in this covenant-keeping relationship that Carl models with his wife Sara Jo. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt occurs to me, Bob, that there may be one listener who needs to raise his hand\u2014and I\u2019m speaking to the guys now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know it is Christmas week, and there are some guys out shopping late. They\u2019ve run into our broadcast\u2014raise their hands and say, \u201cI will begin praying with my wife from this Christmas on until the end\u201d; alright?\u00a0 Just raise your hand and repeat after me: \u201cI will pray with my wife to the finish line, so help me God.\u201d\u00a0 If you made that pledge, send us an email or write us and tell us about it. Then, stay tuned because when God shows up, He changes people\u2019s lives and marriages. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Carl has written a book called <em>The Power of New Covenant Love<\/em> that we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. It\u2019s all about how we can know more about God as we look at the marriage union\u2014the relationship between a husband and a wife that\u2019s designed to be a picture. And it\u2019s a book we\u2019ve got in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to get a copy of Carl Wilson\u2019s book, <em>The Power of New Covenant Love<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tClick in the upper left-hand corner of the screen, where it says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The information about the book is available there. Or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY to request <em>The Power of New Covenant Love<\/em> by Carl Wilson. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, we want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who have made a yearend contribution to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Dennis mentioned that earlier in today\u2019s program. Please pray for us over the next week-and-a-half as we close out 2014. If you are able to help with a donation, we would appreciate whatever you can do. Your donation is going to be matched, dollar for dollar, when you get in touch with us. You make a $50 donation, and that makes available to us $50 from the matching-gift fund that has been established for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>By the way, that matching gift fund has grown in recent days. We are now hoping to take advantage of a total of $3.5 million. That\u2019s a significant challenge for us\u2014that\u2019s why we need to hear from you. 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