{"id":303303,"date":"2014-12-11T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-12-11T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/buck-denver-asks\/"},"modified":"2014-12-11T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-12-11T17:00:00","slug":"buck-denver-asks","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/buck-denver-asks\/","title":{"rendered":"Buck Denver Asks&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Phil Vischer talks about  the meaning behind some of our fondest Christmas traditions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-12-11.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"23.36M","filesize_raw":"24495772","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2816],"tags":[4292,5551,5552,5550],"podcast_series":[7914],"cwp_profile":[9279],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-303303","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-christmas","tag-children","tag-christmas-traditions","tag-family-entertainment","tag-puppets","podcast_series-why-do-we-call-it-christmas","cwp_profile-phil-vischer","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/303303\/buck-denver-asks","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/303303\/buck-denver-asks","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"r0lSSmQTYa\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/buck-denver-asks\/\">Buck Denver Asks&#8230;<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/buck-denver-asks\/embed\/#?secret=r0lSSmQTYa\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Buck Denver Asks&#8230;&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"r0lSSmQTYa\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Here\u2019s Phil Vischer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>We say: \u201cKids\u2014hey, kids, Christmas is about Jesus. Christmas is about Jesus.\u201d Then, they go to church, and Christmas is about Jesus. Then, they turn on the TV; and Christmas is about Santa. They go to the store, and Christmas is about Santa. Then, they go to school; and Christmas is about Santa. It seems like there\u2019s two different holidays\u2014the Jesus Christmas and the Santa Christmas. Where did this come from? Why does it seem like Christmas is two different holidays?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRather than just saying: \u201cPretend you don\u2019t notice the man in the furry red suit,\u201d \/ \u201cPay no attention to the man in the sleigh.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. Are there two different holidays happening at your house? How do you handle Jesus and Santa? We\u2019re going to talk about that today with Phil Vischer.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. Do you have any recollection\u2014in fact, I\u2019d be curious from our listeners about this too. Do you remember when you first realized that Christmas was about Jesus and not about Santa?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did that happen when you were three or four? Did that happen when you were 15? When did that kind of make sense to you; do you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Would 35 years old be an answer?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Maybe\u2014it could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, it\u2019s not a good answer. I would say, as I grew up, as a young lad, my parents did a good job of making sure we didn\u2019t miss the main meaning of Christmas. We still had fun\u2014had a lot of traditions\u2014but I wouldn\u2019t say there was a time when I didn\u2019t know that Christmas was about the birth of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know we had a nativity scene in our living room at Christmastime. We went to church and sang Christmas carols at church; but I think it was probably, not until I was in my teen years,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Really?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that the switch in importance took place. I mean, I kind of knew it was both Jesus and Santa, growing up; but Santa was always more important than Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, that\u2019s a little bit different\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, that\u2019s true; okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014question than you asked me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I would say when it became important was when I got married. I realized that it was game time. What Christmas was all about was what our marriage, and family, and ultimately our kids need to be all about\u2014which was Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, our friend, Phil Vischer, wants to make sure that kids grow up thinking differently than you and me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and we want to welcome him back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Phil, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Thanks. Glad to be back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Phil is one of these guys who, as a boy, dreamed of himself becoming a filmmaker. You were like eight years old\u2014made a film\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and you didn\u2019t become famous, at that point\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Not quite. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but you had a dream. You had a dream of becoming a filmmaker. That dream, ultimately, led you to a time in 1991\u2014you were 25 years old, newly married, and you guys were nearly starving to death. As I recall it, you spent your last ten bucks on dog food\u2014not for yourselves but for your pet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you wandered outside. You had a strange and wonderful encounter with a tomato and a cucumber. Is that what happened?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes and no. I was sitting at the dining room table. I\u2019d been trying to raise money to make the first <em>VeggieTales<\/em> video for two years and had gotten nowhere. We were down to our last ten bucks. We had a two-year-old daughter. So, I had a wife \/ I had a child\u2014and this crazy idea I was chasing was not going anywhere. I handed my wife our last ten bucks to go buy a bag of dog food and sat at the kitchen table, all by myself, with my daughter sleeping in the other room, thinking: \u201cI am a failure. This wasn\u2019t from God. This was just me. This was just\u2014\u201c\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the first time, I really doubted that I was actually doing what God wanted me to do. And to try to just get my mind off that, I started flipping through the mail in front of me on the dining room table. There was an envelope with no return address. I opened it up, and there was an anonymous cashier\u2019s check for $400 made out to me with an unsigned note that said, \u201cGod laid it on my heart that you might need this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that moment that I knew\u2014it was like Jesus walked in the door and sat down next to me and said: \u201cI am with you in this. Keep going.\u201d And I have never doubted since. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ultimately, 50 million videos\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014of <em>VeggieTales<\/em> have been devoured\u2014may I use that word, in terms of vegetables\u2014by families all across the country. And God has used you to impart truth from the Scriptures and a love for Christ and families all over the place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you\u2019re working on a new project right now\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014that I\u2019m really excited about\u2014<em>Buck Denver Asks\u2026What\u2019s in the Bible?<\/em> You\u2019re specifically really targeting Christmas this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes; yes. The series over all is to walk families all the way through the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and really address, for kids, biblical literacy so that they know their faith\u2014know what they believe, know where the Bible came from, know why we can trust it, and know what\u2019s in it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we got to Christmastime. We thought, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s take that same teaching technique and the same characters and explain.\u201d We thought about doing just a normal Christmas special, where you say, \u201cHey, here is the story of Christmas\u2014Jesus is the real meaning of Christmas.\u201d Frankly, there are about a thousand of those already for Christians. We\u2019ve made seven, I think, with <em>VeggieTales<\/em>; so that wasn\u2019t really a need that needed to be filled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I was more interested in is\u2014you know, we say: \u201cKids\u2014hey, kids, Christmas is about Jesus\u2014Christmas is about Jesus.\u201d Then, they turn on the TV; and Christmas is about Santa. They go to the store, and Christmas is about Santa. Then, they go to church; and Christmas is about Jesus. But then, they go to school; and Christmas is about Santa. It seems like there are two different holidays\u2014the Jesus Christmas and the Santa Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really wanted to unpack that rather than just saying: \u201cIgnore\u2014pretend you don\u2019t notice the man in the furry red suit,\u201d \/ \u201cPay no attention to the man in the sleigh.\u201d To say: \u201cWhere did this come from? Why does it seem like Christmas is two different holidays?\u201d So, this Christmas special is called <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt really unpacks the traditions of the holiday itself to say: \u201cWhat\u2019s the origin? What\u2019s the Christian origin behind all these traditions?\u00a0 And how did it get so confusing today where we just\u2014we\u2019re not sure what we should be celebrating?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>If Barbara was here\u2014my wife\u2014she would be pounding the table with you because the same type of logic you\u2019ve just used\u2014she used to create a series of ornaments called Adorenaments<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> that are the names of Christ to help people make their Christmas tree focused on Jesus Christ instead of hanging candy canes, and reindeer, and guys in red suits with furry white collars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Don\u2019t forget the elves. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you feel like, at the Vischer home, as you\u2019ve been raising kids\u2014that your kids have understood that Christmas is really about Jesus\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and how all that fits together?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>I think we\u2019ve done a fairly good job at that and just having them in church regularly. It becomes very clear, when you\u2019re in a church setting, that this is the focus of the holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe never went out of our way to celebrate Santa. Some families do \/ some families don\u2019t. Some families sustain the Santa mythology \/ some families consciously debunk the Santa mythology. I\u2019m not really getting into that as much\u2014that\u2019s a different tradition for different families. For us, we didn\u2019t really go out of our way to sustain the Santa thing\u2014we made it clear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy wife had a tradition in her family\u2014every Christmas morning, before they opened presents, they would each write a letter to Jesus\u2014kind of a birthday letter to Jesus. It was something just to kind of orient the day: \u201cBefore we start any of this mayhem \/\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cbefore we start ripping into stuff\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right\u2014I like this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u2014\u201clet\u2019s write.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u201cJust sit down, take a moment, and jot out a little letter to Jesus.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of tradition that helps you root it. I think it\u2019s still okay to celebrate \/ to have the fun because we have\u2014what I really wanted to get into\u2014with this special, <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em>, is: \u201cHow did we end up with a holiday that seems like a combination of more than one holiday?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason is because it <em>is<\/em> a combination of more than one holiday. The American Christmas is actually a combination of two different holidays from the old country. There was Saint Nicholas Day and there was the Christ\u2019s Mass. These were two completely different holidays that got stuck together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if you start to take it apart\u2014and that\u2019s another thing we\u2019ve done with our kids\u2014is to say, \u201cWho\u2019s Santa Claus?\u201d And it\u2019s something we do in the special\u2014say, \u201cWho is Santa Claus? What\u2019s Santa Claus\u2019s other name?\u201d Kid\u2019s, initially, say: \u201cI don\u2019t know. George?\u201d\u00a0 Say, \u201cNo, Jolly Old Saint Nicholas.\u201d \u201cOkay, who\u2019s Saint Nicholas?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we start telling the story of Saint Nicholas\u2014who was a saint \/ who was a bishop in Greece in the 4<sup>th<\/sup> century, right about the time Constantine converted to Christianity. He was the bishop in Greece, and he loved Jesus. He was left\u2014his parents died when he was young and left him with a lot of money. So, he was a wealthy little bishop, running around Greece; and he loved kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe would help them out by making anonymous donations to kids. He would literally throw money in through their windows if they needed help. If there was a poor family that needed help, he\u2019d toss a few coins in through their windows in the middle of the night. This started the mythology of Saint Nicholas. He got his own day\u2014Saint Nicholas Day. They started celebrating with a feast, all across Europe; and they started these traditions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe became the patron saint of children, but that happened on December 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Okay, so then, on December 25<sup>th<\/sup>, they had the Christ\u2019s Mass, which was when they had an official church service to honor the birth of Jesus, which was more solemn. So, you had the really fun holiday; and then you had the more solemn, reverent holiday. So, you say, \u201cWell, gee, Phil, how did they get put together?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, how did that happen, Phil?\u2014that was my cue. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>That\u2019s good\u2014good job. You did that very well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Protestant Reformation happened. One of the things that Luther, and Calvin, and the rest of the guys said was, \u201cAlright, we no longer venerate saints\u2014no more saints.\u201d\u00a0 Everyone said, \u201cYes, that\u2019s Catholic\u2014no more saints.\u201d They said: \u201cOkay. So, that means no more feasts for saints.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOkay; yes, no more\u2014wait a minute! Does that mean no more Saint Nicholas Day?\u2014because my kids love that. I mean, we\u2019ve been doing that for hundreds of years. We put out the stockings, and we put out the shoes.\u201d He said: \u201cNo, sorry\u2014cold turkey. No more Saint Nicholas Day.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what people did\u2014and it\u2019s really interesting when you look at the history\u2014in Germany, they moved it to Christmas Eve. They said: \u201cAlright, we\u2019re still going to put out the stockings, but we aren\u2019t waiting for Saint Nicholas\u2014we\u2019re waiting for the Christ Child. The Christ Child is going to come by on Christmas Eve and put toys in your stockings,\u201d\u2014which the image of a baby coming down the street with a bag of toys over his shoulder is kind of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s kind of creepy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>But in German\u2014Christ Child was <em>Christkindl<\/em>. So they would wait for <em>Christkindl<\/em> to come. In America, that turned into Kris Kringle. In England, they also rejected\u2014the Protestant Reformation\u2014they rejected the church\u2014so, they rejected saint days. They changed Saint Nicholas into Father Christmas. Father Christmas came the night before Christmas to bring you things in the same way that Saint Nicholas would. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Holland, they just said: \u201cWe don\u2019t care. We\u2019re going to keep celebrating Saint Nicholas Day.\u201d They never got rid of it. To this day, they celebrate Saint Nicholas Day on December 6<sup>th<\/sup> in Holland. But then, all these groups came to America. So, everyone has their own tradition now\u2014we have Father Christmas with the English, we have the <em>Christkindl <\/em>with the Germans, and we still have Saint Nicholas with the Dutch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Dutch came to New York\u2014they were the first ones here\u2014they came to New York. It was New Amsterdam, and the kids in New York would run around waiting for Saint Nicholas to come on December 6<sup>th<\/sup>; except in Dutch, Saint Nicholas was pronounced <em>Sinterklaas<\/em>. So, the Dutch kids are running around New York City, saying, \u201c<em>Sinterklaas<\/em> is coming. <em>Sinterklaas<\/em> is coming.\u201d Everyone else said, \u201cWhat did they say?\u201d It sounded like they said Santa Claus. That\u2019s where Santa Claus came from. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we\u2019ve got the Germans now, waiting for\u2014what did they say?\u2014\u201cKris Kringle? Who\u2019s this Kris Kringle guy?\u201d Well, no\u2014Christ Child is what they were waiting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got the Dutch, who are waiting for Saint Nicholas. We\u2019ve got the English, who are waiting for Father Christmas, who shows up in the <em>Chronicles of Narnia<\/em> when the snow starts melting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>When the spell is broken, who shows up? Father Christmas shows up because it was always winter but never Christmas in Narnia. That\u2019s how C.S. Lewis announced that the spell had been broken\u2014Father Christmas shows up\u2014which I thought, \u201cWas that Santa Claus?\u201d Well, no\u2014it was Saint Nicholas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>So, what we have today, in America, is basically because we, as Protestants, canceled all of the saint\u2019s days\u2014we canceled Saint Nicholas Day\u2014all the fun traditions from Saint Nicholas Day jumped onto Christmas Eve and jumped onto Christmas. We have what is a combination of two different holidays, which is why that\u2019s exactly how it feels. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Then, you have a group of people\u2014the politically-correct people\u2014who\u2019ve stepped into this and they have removed Christ and the celebration of Christ from the Christmas season. So, now, it\u2019s the holidays\u2014it\u2019s not even Christmas anymore. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. Obviously, it\u2019s\u2014there are always people that are uncomfortable with religious references. They love the traditions. They love the fun. They love the trees. I was on Sean Hannity\u2019s radio show, last Christmas, to debate an atheist about calling Christmas trees holiday trees. It was a very amusing thing because the governor of Rhode Island refused to call the Christmas tree in the State House a Christmas tree. He was calling it a holiday tree: \u201cThis is a holiday tree.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy point on the debate was: \u201cI don\u2019t think we should be rewriting each other\u2019s traditions. I don\u2019t think that I should take\u2014if I really like a menorah, which is a Jewish candle holder from Hanukkah, I shouldn\u2019t put a giant menorah in my front yard and then say it\u2019s a holiday candle holder. My Jewish neighbors should be offended if I rewrite their tradition.\u201d I said, \u201cSo, don\u2019t rewrite my traditions\u2014a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSean Hannity turned to the atheist and said, \u201cWell, what do you say about that?\u201d The atheist said, \u201cI think I agree with everything he just said.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSean Hannity was actually pretty disappointed, like: \u201cYou\u2019re supposed to duke it out. Where\u2019s the fight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He was looking for a fight in the thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Your passion behind this\u2014obviously, you\u2019ve studied it. You\u2019ve looked deeply at it, but your passion behind this goes beyond just wanting kids to be better informed about Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Oh, yes; definitely. We want them to know where it comes from. We want them to be able to go out in the world and say: \u201cHere\u2019s what I\u2019m celebrating. Here\u2019s what this means to me. Here\u2019s Jesus in this.\u201d\u00a0 When you can even see the Jesus behind the Santa\u2014because who is Santa really?\u2014he\u2019s Saint Nicholas. Who was Saint Nicholas?\u2014a man who loved Jesus so much that he gave away everything he had to help people in need. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why people dress up like Santa Claus for the Salvation Army and ask for money\u2014because that\u2019s confusing to a kid: \u201cWhy does Santa need money?\u201d I thought\u2014\u201cDoes he have to pay the elves?\u201d [Laughter] No, he does that because that\u2019s Saint Nicholas\u2014and Saint Nicholas gave money to help the poor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when we give money to that pretend Saint Nicholas, he takes that and gives it to the poor, just like the real Saint Nicholas did. So, when you can point out the Christian origins behind these traditions, they become much less scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve interacted with kids, who have seen <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em> Does the understanding that they get from it make a difference in their celebration?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. We do it in such a careful way that we don\u2019t ever\u2014we don\u2019t want to take the decision away from parents as to when or where they want to tell kids: \u201cThere\u2019s no such thing as Santa Claus.\u201d So, we don\u2019t actually say that in the video. What we say is: \u201cWho is Santa Claus really?\u2014he\u2019s Saint Nicholas. Who is Saint Nicholas? Let\u2019s tell that story.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s up to parents to decide how they want to handle the Santa thing. We just want them to see the Christian roots behind the tradition so it\u2019s not so frightening, and it\u2019s not so scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother point that we try to make is\u2014because, as Christians, we often say, \u201cWell, I want to go back to when Christmas was pure\u2014when it was all about Jesus\u2014when it was just a pure Christmas.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen you look into the history, and you realize there never was one. It was always a combination of more than one holiday. You have to go all the way back to the Christ\u2019s Mass, which looked nothing like what we celebrate today. The early church didn\u2019t celebrate Christmas because they didn\u2019t think people\u2019s birthdays were important. Easter was the Super Bowl of holidays. Somehow, we made Christmas the Super Bowl of holidays; and we\u2019ve put Easter as a second tier thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Originally,] the whole church calendar was set up around Easter. So what we\u2019ve tried to do with our kids\u2014and even with the last <em>VeggieTales<\/em> Christmas and Easter specials I wrote, which were <em>The Star of Christmas <\/em>and <em>An Easter Carol<\/em>, which go together, was\u2014the point was you can\u2019t have one without the other. You can\u2019t have Christmas without Easter. You can\u2019t have Easter without Christmas. They\u2019re like bookends to the story of life\u2014to God working with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>When we separate them and turn Christmas into the Super Bowl and Easter is just a playoff game\u2014it\u2019s some little side match\u2014we\u2019ve completely missed the point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You do this on your DVD, using a character named John Denver; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>No. No\u2014although he did a Christmas special with the Muppets\u2014so there\u2019s kind of a connection there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is close\u2014it\u2019s close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. It\u2019s close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s actually Buck Denver. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Buck Denver. <em>Buck Denver asks\u2026Why do we call it Christmas?<\/em>\u00a0 And Buck Denver is basically\u2014if you\u2019re my generation, he\u2019s Ted Baxter from <em>The Mary Tyler Moore Show<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>He\u2019s that newsman that doesn\u2019t know as much as he hopes he knows. If you\u2019re a younger generation, he\u2019s Stephen Colbert\u2014you know, that kind of guy. So he\u2019s trying to lead the charge on all this learning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you\u2019re Dennis\u2019s generation, it\u2019s John Cameron Swayze; right? [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>George Beverly Shea\u2014I\u2019m not sure who he is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, but you use this character to walk kids into the holiday\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and explain to them what it\u2019s all about in an entertaining, fresh way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How long is the video?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>The video is about 35\/40 minutes. We answer questions like, \u201cWhere\u2019d Christmas trees come from?\u201d\u2014because you look at these things: \u201cAre Christmas trees from Santa Christmas or from Jesus Christmas? Stockings?\u2014Santa Christmas or Jesus Christmas?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHanging mistletoe? Where do all these traditions come from? Is there a Christian root behind them?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what\u2019s so fun to unpack for kids and to say: \u201cHere\u2019s what this means. Here\u2019s what Christmas trees mean. Here\u2019s how they came out of Northern Germany and the missionary, Saint Boniface, who was bringing Christianity to the Germanic tribes and noticing that they were worshiping trees and decided to give them a new tree to point out\u2014and use the fir tree to point to Christ and the story of how that happened.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you can get excited about Christmas trees. You can get excited about stockings. You can get\u2014you know why you put oranges in stockings? You\u2019ve ever gotten an orange in your stocking?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Okay. Do you know why?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Didn\u2019t have any apples? [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Because it kind of looks like a gold ball. One of the traditional stories about Saint Nicholas is that he helped three girls, who were in danger of being sold into slavery, because they didn\u2019t have dowries for their weddings. He walked by their house and dropped three gold balls that fell into their stockings. An orange is a symbol of Saint Nicholas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, when you point that out to your kids, it\u2019s like: \u201cWow! That\u2019s really cool.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Then, they want an orange\u2014no\u2014they still don\u2019t want an orange in their stocking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, they don\u2019t. [Laughter)] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>When Phil was here, not long ago, and we were talking about the animated series that you put together for kids called <em>What\u2019s in the Bible?<\/em>\u2014where you take them from Genesis all the way through Revelation\u2014at the time, you hadn\u2019t completed the series; but now it is complete. There are nine DVDs that take you through the Old Testament \/ four DVDs that take you through the New Testament.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking this might be something that a grandparent or a parent would want to give to a child as an early Christmas gift this year and then have them watching these DVDs leading up to the celebration of Christmas. We have the complete set of <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center, along with the DVD called <em>Why Do We Call it Christmas?\u2014<\/em>all of those from Phil Vischer. You can find out more about what\u2019s available when you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the upper left-hand corner of the screen, where it says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d if you click on there, it will take you right to the area where you can get information about the <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>collection of DVDs and the <em>Why Do We Call it Christmas?<\/em> DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s also a new resource that FamilyLife has put together called \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas<em>.<\/em>\u201dThese are ornaments for your children to hang on either the big Christmas tree or a tree of their own\u201412 ornaments that have 12 different names of Jesus. This is so younger children can have a way to engage around the names of Christ at Christmas, just like Mom and Dad have with the Adorenaments<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> that Barbara Rainey has developed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, if you\u2019d like information about all of these resources, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the \u201cGO DEEPER\u201d button in the upper left-hand corner of the screen, and the information you need is available there\u2014or, if you have any questions \/ if you\u2019d like to order resources over the phone\u2014call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Before we\u2019re done here, Bob, I have a little quiz for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>For me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. We\u2019ve been on the air for 22 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve done over 4,500 <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>broadcasts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do you have any idea how many guests we\u2019ve had on <em>FamilyLife Today? <\/em>It doesn\u2019t need to be precise, Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Just a rough estimate of what you\u2019d guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It would be 1,746. That would be my rough estimate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I told you it just needed to be a rough\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a rough guess\u20141,746.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019re closer\u2014you\u2019re too accurate. I was just going to say we\u2019ve had over one thousand guests that have all been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to equip our listeners with biblical truth around issues they\u2019re facing in their marriage and family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I just made that other number up, so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I know you did\u2014I see the twinkle in your eye. Unfortunately, the listener can\u2019t see it. Here\u2019s the issue for our listeners: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you believe in what we\u2019ve been doing here, for 22 years\u2014how we\u2019ve been coming into your life, here on a regular basis\u2014bringing relevant biblical truth to you and your marriage and your family, to your children for the generations to come, would you stand with us financially?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a huge opportunity to take advantage of more than $2,000,000 in a matching gift has been put in place to match, dollar for dollar, up to that amount of those who will stand with us, here at yearend. Would you be generous right now? Would you say, \u201cI vote for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u201d<em>?<\/em> \u201cI want to stand with you guys because you are standing with my family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can make a yearend contribution by going to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI Care.\u201d It\u2019s real easy to donate online. You can also call to make a donation over the phone: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number to call. Or you can mail a donation to us. Our mailing address is Post Office Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for whatever you are able to do, here at yearend. We appreciate you. Thanks for listening; and thanks for your partnership with us, here on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow, we\u2019re going to continue to spend some time with Phil Vischer, talking about where Christmas came from and the traditions we celebrate. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Vischer talks about the meaning behind some of our fondest Christmas traditions.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-12-11.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>As hard as you try, as a parent, to make sure your family knows what the real reason for this season is, you do have some competition. Here\u2019s Phil Vischer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>We say: \u201cKids\u2014hey, kids, Christmas is about Jesus. Christmas is about Jesus.\u201d Then, they go to church, and Christmas is about Jesus. Then, they turn on the TV; and Christmas is about Santa. They go to the store, and Christmas is about Santa. Then, they go to school; and Christmas is about Santa. It seems like there\u2019s two different holidays\u2014the Jesus Christmas and the Santa Christmas. Where did this come from? Why does it seem like Christmas is two different holidays?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRather than just saying: \u201cPretend you don\u2019t notice the man in the furry red suit,\u201d \/ \u201cPay no attention to the man in the sleigh.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, December 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. Are there two different holidays happening at your house? How do you handle Jesus and Santa? We\u2019re going to talk about that today with Phil Vischer.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. Do you have any recollection\u2014in fact, I\u2019d be curious from our listeners about this too. Do you remember when you first realized that Christmas was about Jesus and not about Santa?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>That\u2019s a good question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did that happen when you were three or four? Did that happen when you were 15? When did that kind of make sense to you; do you think?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Would 35 years old be an answer?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Maybe\u2014it could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, it\u2019s not a good answer. I would say, as I grew up, as a young lad, my parents did a good job of making sure we didn\u2019t miss the main meaning of Christmas. We still had fun\u2014had a lot of traditions\u2014but I wouldn\u2019t say there was a time when I didn\u2019t know that Christmas was about the birth of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I know we had a nativity scene in our living room at Christmastime. We went to church and sang Christmas carols at church; but I think it was probably, not until I was in my teen years,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Really?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014that the switch in importance took place. I mean, I kind of knew it was both Jesus and Santa, growing up; but Santa was always more important than Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, that\u2019s a little bit different\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, that\u2019s true; okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014question than you asked me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That is true. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I would say when it became important was when I got married. I realized that it was game time. What Christmas was all about was what our marriage, and family, and ultimately our kids need to be all about\u2014which was Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, our friend, Phil Vischer, wants to make sure that kids grow up thinking differently than you and me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and we want to welcome him back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Phil, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Thanks. Glad to be back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Phil is one of these guys who, as a boy, dreamed of himself becoming a filmmaker. You were like eight years old\u2014made a film\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and you didn\u2019t become famous, at that point\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Not quite. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014but you had a dream. You had a dream of becoming a filmmaker. That dream, ultimately, led you to a time in 1991\u2014you were 25 years old, newly married, and you guys were nearly starving to death. As I recall it, you spent your last ten bucks on dog food\u2014not for yourselves but for your pet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you wandered outside. You had a strange and wonderful encounter with a tomato and a cucumber. Is that what happened?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes and no. I was sitting at the dining room table. I\u2019d been trying to raise money to make the first <em>VeggieTales<\/em> video for two years and had gotten nowhere. We were down to our last ten bucks. We had a two-year-old daughter. So, I had a wife \/ I had a child\u2014and this crazy idea I was chasing was not going anywhere. I handed my wife our last ten bucks to go buy a bag of dog food and sat at the kitchen table, all by myself, with my daughter sleeping in the other room, thinking: \u201cI am a failure. This wasn\u2019t from God. This was just me. This was just\u2014\u201c\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor the first time, I really doubted that I was actually doing what God wanted me to do. And to try to just get my mind off that, I started flipping through the mail in front of me on the dining room table. There was an envelope with no return address. I opened it up, and there was an anonymous cashier\u2019s check for $400 made out to me with an unsigned note that said, \u201cGod laid it on my heart that you might need this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was at that moment that I knew\u2014it was like Jesus walked in the door and sat down next to me and said: \u201cI am with you in this. Keep going.\u201d And I have never doubted since. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Ultimately, 50 million videos\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014of <em>VeggieTales<\/em> have been devoured\u2014may I use that word, in terms of vegetables\u2014by families all across the country. And God has used you to impart truth from the Scriptures and a love for Christ and families all over the place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you\u2019re working on a new project right now\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014that I\u2019m really excited about\u2014<em>Buck Denver Asks\u2026What\u2019s in the Bible?<\/em> You\u2019re specifically really targeting Christmas this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes; yes. The series over all is to walk families all the way through the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, and really address, for kids, biblical literacy so that they know their faith\u2014know what they believe, know where the Bible came from, know why we can trust it, and know what\u2019s in it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen we got to Christmastime. We thought, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s take that same teaching technique and the same characters and explain.\u201d We thought about doing just a normal Christmas special, where you say, \u201cHey, here is the story of Christmas\u2014Jesus is the real meaning of Christmas.\u201d Frankly, there are about a thousand of those already for Christians. We\u2019ve made seven, I think, with <em>VeggieTales<\/em>; so that wasn\u2019t really a need that needed to be filled. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I was more interested in is\u2014you know, we say: \u201cKids\u2014hey, kids, Christmas is about Jesus\u2014Christmas is about Jesus.\u201d Then, they turn on the TV; and Christmas is about Santa. They go to the store, and Christmas is about Santa. Then, they go to church; and Christmas is about Jesus. But then, they go to school; and Christmas is about Santa. It seems like there are two different holidays\u2014the Jesus Christmas and the Santa Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really wanted to unpack that rather than just saying: \u201cIgnore\u2014pretend you don\u2019t notice the man in the furry red suit,\u201d \/ \u201cPay no attention to the man in the sleigh.\u201d To say: \u201cWhere did this come from? Why does it seem like Christmas is two different holidays?\u201d So, this Christmas special is called <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em> \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt really unpacks the traditions of the holiday itself to say: \u201cWhat\u2019s the origin? What\u2019s the Christian origin behind all these traditions?\u00a0 And how did it get so confusing today where we just\u2014we\u2019re not sure what we should be celebrating?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>If Barbara was here\u2014my wife\u2014she would be pounding the table with you because the same type of logic you\u2019ve just used\u2014she used to create a series of ornaments called Adorenaments<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> that are the names of Christ to help people make their Christmas tree focused on Jesus Christ instead of hanging candy canes, and reindeer, and guys in red suits with furry white collars. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Don\u2019t forget the elves. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you feel like, at the Vischer home, as you\u2019ve been raising kids\u2014that your kids have understood that Christmas is really about Jesus\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014and how all that fits together?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>I think we\u2019ve done a fairly good job at that and just having them in church regularly. It becomes very clear, when you\u2019re in a church setting, that this is the focus of the holiday. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe never went out of our way to celebrate Santa. Some families do \/ some families don\u2019t. Some families sustain the Santa mythology \/ some families consciously debunk the Santa mythology. I\u2019m not really getting into that as much\u2014that\u2019s a different tradition for different families. For us, we didn\u2019t really go out of our way to sustain the Santa thing\u2014we made it clear. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy wife had a tradition in her family\u2014every Christmas morning, before they opened presents, they would each write a letter to Jesus\u2014kind of a birthday letter to Jesus. It was something just to kind of orient the day: \u201cBefore we start any of this mayhem \/\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cbefore we start ripping into stuff\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right\u2014I like this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u2014\u201clet\u2019s write.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>\u201cJust sit down, take a moment, and jot out a little letter to Jesus.\u201d That\u2019s the kind of tradition that helps you root it. I think it\u2019s still okay to celebrate \/ to have the fun because we have\u2014what I really wanted to get into\u2014with this special, <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em>, is: \u201cHow did we end up with a holiday that seems like a combination of more than one holiday?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason is because it <em>is<\/em> a combination of more than one holiday. The American Christmas is actually a combination of two different holidays from the old country. There was Saint Nicholas Day and there was the Christ\u2019s Mass. These were two completely different holidays that got stuck together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if you start to take it apart\u2014and that\u2019s another thing we\u2019ve done with our kids\u2014is to say, \u201cWho\u2019s Santa Claus?\u201d And it\u2019s something we do in the special\u2014say, \u201cWho is Santa Claus? What\u2019s Santa Claus\u2019s other name?\u201d Kid\u2019s, initially, say: \u201cI don\u2019t know. George?\u201d\u00a0 Say, \u201cNo, Jolly Old Saint Nicholas.\u201d \u201cOkay, who\u2019s Saint Nicholas?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we start telling the story of Saint Nicholas\u2014who was a saint \/ who was a bishop in Greece in the 4<sup>th<\/sup> century, right about the time Constantine converted to Christianity. He was the bishop in Greece, and he loved Jesus. He was left\u2014his parents died when he was young and left him with a lot of money. So, he was a wealthy little bishop, running around Greece; and he loved kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe would help them out by making anonymous donations to kids. He would literally throw money in through their windows if they needed help. If there was a poor family that needed help, he\u2019d toss a few coins in through their windows in the middle of the night. This started the mythology of Saint Nicholas. He got his own day\u2014Saint Nicholas Day. They started celebrating with a feast, all across Europe; and they started these traditions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe became the patron saint of children, but that happened on December 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Okay, so then, on December 25<sup>th<\/sup>, they had the Christ\u2019s Mass, which was when they had an official church service to honor the birth of Jesus, which was more solemn. So, you had the really fun holiday; and then you had the more solemn, reverent holiday. So, you say, \u201cWell, gee, Phil, how did they get put together?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, how did that happen, Phil?\u2014that was my cue. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>That\u2019s good\u2014good job. You did that very well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Protestant Reformation happened. One of the things that Luther, and Calvin, and the rest of the guys said was, \u201cAlright, we no longer venerate saints\u2014no more saints.\u201d\u00a0 Everyone said, \u201cYes, that\u2019s Catholic\u2014no more saints.\u201d They said: \u201cOkay. So, that means no more feasts for saints.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cOkay; yes, no more\u2014wait a minute! Does that mean no more Saint Nicholas Day?\u2014because my kids love that. I mean, we\u2019ve been doing that for hundreds of years. We put out the stockings, and we put out the shoes.\u201d He said: \u201cNo, sorry\u2014cold turkey. No more Saint Nicholas Day.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what people did\u2014and it\u2019s really interesting when you look at the history\u2014in Germany, they moved it to Christmas Eve. They said: \u201cAlright, we\u2019re still going to put out the stockings, but we aren\u2019t waiting for Saint Nicholas\u2014we\u2019re waiting for the Christ Child. The Christ Child is going to come by on Christmas Eve and put toys in your stockings,\u201d\u2014which the image of a baby coming down the street with a bag of toys over his shoulder is kind of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s kind of creepy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>But in German\u2014Christ Child was <em>Christkindl<\/em>. So they would wait for <em>Christkindl<\/em> to come. In America, that turned into Kris Kringle. In England, they also rejected\u2014the Protestant Reformation\u2014they rejected the church\u2014so, they rejected saint days. They changed Saint Nicholas into Father Christmas. Father Christmas came the night before Christmas to bring you things in the same way that Saint Nicholas would. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Holland, they just said: \u201cWe don\u2019t care. We\u2019re going to keep celebrating Saint Nicholas Day.\u201d They never got rid of it. To this day, they celebrate Saint Nicholas Day on December 6<sup>th<\/sup> in Holland. But then, all these groups came to America. So, everyone has their own tradition now\u2014we have Father Christmas with the English, we have the <em>Christkindl <\/em>with the Germans, and we still have Saint Nicholas with the Dutch. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Dutch came to New York\u2014they were the first ones here\u2014they came to New York. It was New Amsterdam, and the kids in New York would run around waiting for Saint Nicholas to come on December 6<sup>th<\/sup>; except in Dutch, Saint Nicholas was pronounced <em>Sinterklaas<\/em>. So, the Dutch kids are running around New York City, saying, \u201c<em>Sinterklaas<\/em> is coming. <em>Sinterklaas<\/em> is coming.\u201d Everyone else said, \u201cWhat did they say?\u201d It sounded like they said Santa Claus. That\u2019s where Santa Claus came from. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we\u2019ve got the Germans now, waiting for\u2014what did they say?\u2014\u201cKris Kringle? Who\u2019s this Kris Kringle guy?\u201d Well, no\u2014Christ Child is what they were waiting for. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got the Dutch, who are waiting for Saint Nicholas. We\u2019ve got the English, who are waiting for Father Christmas, who shows up in the <em>Chronicles of Narnia<\/em> when the snow starts melting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right; right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>When the spell is broken, who shows up? Father Christmas shows up because it was always winter but never Christmas in Narnia. That\u2019s how C.S. Lewis announced that the spell had been broken\u2014Father Christmas shows up\u2014which I thought, \u201cWas that Santa Claus?\u201d Well, no\u2014it was Saint Nicholas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>So, what we have today, in America, is basically because we, as Protestants, canceled all of the saint\u2019s days\u2014we canceled Saint Nicholas Day\u2014all the fun traditions from Saint Nicholas Day jumped onto Christmas Eve and jumped onto Christmas. We have what is a combination of two different holidays, which is why that\u2019s exactly how it feels. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Then, you have a group of people\u2014the politically-correct people\u2014who\u2019ve stepped into this and they have removed Christ and the celebration of Christ from the Christmas season. So, now, it\u2019s the holidays\u2014it\u2019s not even Christmas anymore. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. Obviously, it\u2019s\u2014there are always people that are uncomfortable with religious references. They love the traditions. They love the fun. They love the trees. I was on Sean Hannity\u2019s radio show, last Christmas, to debate an atheist about calling Christmas trees holiday trees. It was a very amusing thing because the governor of Rhode Island refused to call the Christmas tree in the State House a Christmas tree. He was calling it a holiday tree: \u201cThis is a holiday tree.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy point on the debate was: \u201cI don\u2019t think we should be rewriting each other\u2019s traditions. I don\u2019t think that I should take\u2014if I really like a menorah, which is a Jewish candle holder from Hanukkah, I shouldn\u2019t put a giant menorah in my front yard and then say it\u2019s a holiday candle holder. My Jewish neighbors should be offended if I rewrite their tradition.\u201d I said, \u201cSo, don\u2019t rewrite my traditions\u2014a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSean Hannity turned to the atheist and said, \u201cWell, what do you say about that?\u201d The atheist said, \u201cI think I agree with everything he just said.\u201d [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSean Hannity was actually pretty disappointed, like: \u201cYou\u2019re supposed to duke it out. Where\u2019s the fight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He was looking for a fight in the thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Your passion behind this\u2014obviously, you\u2019ve studied it. You\u2019ve looked deeply at it, but your passion behind this goes beyond just wanting kids to be better informed about Christmas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Oh, yes; definitely. We want them to know where it comes from. We want them to be able to go out in the world and say: \u201cHere\u2019s what I\u2019m celebrating. Here\u2019s what this means to me. Here\u2019s Jesus in this.\u201d\u00a0 When you can even see the Jesus behind the Santa\u2014because who is Santa really?\u2014he\u2019s Saint Nicholas. Who was Saint Nicholas?\u2014a man who loved Jesus so much that he gave away everything he had to help people in need. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s why people dress up like Santa Claus for the Salvation Army and ask for money\u2014because that\u2019s confusing to a kid: \u201cWhy does Santa need money?\u201d I thought\u2014\u201cDoes he have to pay the elves?\u201d [Laughter] No, he does that because that\u2019s Saint Nicholas\u2014and Saint Nicholas gave money to help the poor. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when we give money to that pretend Saint Nicholas, he takes that and gives it to the poor, just like the real Saint Nicholas did. So, when you can point out the Christian origins behind these traditions, they become much less scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019ve interacted with kids, who have seen <em>Why Do We Call It Christmas?<\/em> Does the understanding that they get from it make a difference in their celebration?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. We do it in such a careful way that we don\u2019t ever\u2014we don\u2019t want to take the decision away from parents as to when or where they want to tell kids: \u201cThere\u2019s no such thing as Santa Claus.\u201d So, we don\u2019t actually say that in the video. What we say is: \u201cWho is Santa Claus really?\u2014he\u2019s Saint Nicholas. Who is Saint Nicholas? Let\u2019s tell that story.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s up to parents to decide how they want to handle the Santa thing. We just want them to see the Christian roots behind the tradition so it\u2019s not so frightening, and it\u2019s not so scary. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother point that we try to make is\u2014because, as Christians, we often say, \u201cWell, I want to go back to when Christmas was pure\u2014when it was all about Jesus\u2014when it was just a pure Christmas.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen you look into the history, and you realize there never was one. It was always a combination of more than one holiday. You have to go all the way back to the Christ\u2019s Mass, which looked nothing like what we celebrate today. The early church didn\u2019t celebrate Christmas because they didn\u2019t think people\u2019s birthdays were important. Easter was the Super Bowl of holidays. Somehow, we made Christmas the Super Bowl of holidays; and we\u2019ve put Easter as a second tier thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Originally,] the whole church calendar was set up around Easter. So what we\u2019ve tried to do with our kids\u2014and even with the last <em>VeggieTales<\/em> Christmas and Easter specials I wrote, which were <em>The Star of Christmas <\/em>and <em>An Easter Carol<\/em>, which go together, was\u2014the point was you can\u2019t have one without the other. You can\u2019t have Christmas without Easter. You can\u2019t have Easter without Christmas. They\u2019re like bookends to the story of life\u2014to God working with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>When we separate them and turn Christmas into the Super Bowl and Easter is just a playoff game\u2014it\u2019s some little side match\u2014we\u2019ve completely missed the point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You do this on your DVD, using a character named John Denver; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>No. No\u2014although he did a Christmas special with the Muppets\u2014so there\u2019s kind of a connection there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It is close\u2014it\u2019s close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. It\u2019s close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s actually Buck Denver. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Phil: <\/strong>Buck Denver. <em>Buck Denver asks\u2026Why do we call it Christmas?<\/em>\u00a0 And Buck Denver is basically\u2014if you\u2019re my generation, he\u2019s Ted Baxter from <em>The Mary Tyler Moore Show<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>He\u2019s that newsman that doesn\u2019t know as much as he hopes he knows. If you\u2019re a younger generation, he\u2019s Stephen Colbert\u2014you know, that kind of guy. So he\u2019s trying to lead the charge on all this learning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If you\u2019re Dennis\u2019s generation, it\u2019s John Cameron Swayze; right? [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>George Beverly Shea\u2014I\u2019m not sure who he is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, but you use this character to walk kids into the holiday\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and explain to them what it\u2019s all about in an entertaining, fresh way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How long is the video?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>The video is about 35\/40 minutes. We answer questions like, \u201cWhere\u2019d Christmas trees come from?\u201d\u2014because you look at these things: \u201cAre Christmas trees from Santa Christmas or from Jesus Christmas? Stockings?\u2014Santa Christmas or Jesus Christmas?\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHanging mistletoe? Where do all these traditions come from? Is there a Christian root behind them?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what\u2019s so fun to unpack for kids and to say: \u201cHere\u2019s what this means. Here\u2019s what Christmas trees mean. Here\u2019s how they came out of Northern Germany and the missionary, Saint Boniface, who was bringing Christianity to the Germanic tribes and noticing that they were worshiping trees and decided to give them a new tree to point out\u2014and use the fir tree to point to Christ and the story of how that happened.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you can get excited about Christmas trees. You can get excited about stockings. You can get\u2014you know why you put oranges in stockings? You\u2019ve ever gotten an orange in your stocking?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Okay. Do you know why?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Didn\u2019t have any apples? [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Phil: <\/strong>Because it kind of looks like a gold ball. One of the traditional stories about Saint Nicholas is that he helped three girls, who were in danger of being sold into slavery, because they didn\u2019t have dowries for their weddings. He walked by their house and dropped three gold balls that fell into their stockings. An orange is a symbol of Saint Nicholas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, when you point that out to your kids, it\u2019s like: \u201cWow! That\u2019s really cool.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Then, they want an orange\u2014no\u2014they still don\u2019t want an orange in their stocking. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, they don\u2019t. [Laughter)] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>When Phil was here, not long ago, and we were talking about the animated series that you put together for kids called <em>What\u2019s in the Bible?<\/em>\u2014where you take them from Genesis all the way through Revelation\u2014at the time, you hadn\u2019t completed the series; but now it is complete. There are nine DVDs that take you through the Old Testament \/ four DVDs that take you through the New Testament.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking this might be something that a grandparent or a parent would want to give to a child as an early Christmas gift this year and then have them watching these DVDs leading up to the celebration of Christmas. We have the complete set of <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>available in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center, along with the DVD called <em>Why Do We Call it Christmas?\u2014<\/em>all of those from Phil Vischer. You can find out more about what\u2019s available when you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn the upper left-hand corner of the screen, where it says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d if you click on there, it will take you right to the area where you can get information about the <em>What\u2019s in the Bible? <\/em>collection of DVDs and the <em>Why Do We Call it Christmas?<\/em> DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s also a new resource that FamilyLife has put together called \u201cThe Twelve Names of Christmas<em>.<\/em>\u201dThese are ornaments for your children to hang on either the big Christmas tree or a tree of their own\u201412 ornaments that have 12 different names of Jesus. This is so younger children can have a way to engage around the names of Christ at Christmas, just like Mom and Dad have with the Adorenaments<em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> that Barbara Rainey has developed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, if you\u2019d like information about all of these resources, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the \u201cGO DEEPER\u201d button in the upper left-hand corner of the screen, and the information you need is available there\u2014or, if you have any questions \/ if you\u2019d like to order resources over the phone\u2014call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Before we\u2019re done here, Bob, I have a little quiz for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>For me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. We\u2019ve been on the air for 22 years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019ve done over 4,500 <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>broadcasts.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Do you have any idea how many guests we\u2019ve had on <em>FamilyLife Today? <\/em>It doesn\u2019t need to be precise, Bob\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Just a rough estimate of what you\u2019d guess.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It would be 1,746. That would be my rough estimate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I told you it just needed to be a rough\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a rough guess\u20141,746.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019re closer\u2014you\u2019re too accurate. I was just going to say we\u2019ve had over one thousand guests that have all been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to equip our listeners with biblical truth around issues they\u2019re facing in their marriage and family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I just made that other number up, so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I know you did\u2014I see the twinkle in your eye. Unfortunately, the listener can\u2019t see it. Here\u2019s the issue for our listeners: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you believe in what we\u2019ve been doing here, for 22 years\u2014how we\u2019ve been coming into your life, here on a regular basis\u2014bringing relevant biblical truth to you and your marriage and your family, to your children for the generations to come, would you stand with us financially?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a huge opportunity to take advantage of more than $2,000,000 in a matching gift has been put in place to match, dollar for dollar, up to that amount of those who will stand with us, here at yearend. Would you be generous right now? Would you say, \u201cI vote for <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u201d<em>?<\/em> \u201cI want to stand with you guys because you are standing with my family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You can make a yearend contribution by going to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI Care.\u201d It\u2019s real easy to donate online. You can also call to make a donation over the phone: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number to call. Or you can mail a donation to us. Our mailing address is Post Office Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for whatever you are able to do, here at yearend. We appreciate you. 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