{"id":303275,"date":"2014-11-21T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-11-21T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/how-christians-are-perceived\/"},"modified":"2014-11-21T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-11-21T17:00:00","slug":"how-christians-are-perceived","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/how-christians-are-perceived\/","title":{"rendered":"How Christians are Perceived"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bobby Conway says that, unfortunately, Christians have earned a lot of the negative feedback because of the way we live. 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And then, when I mess up, as a father, before them with their mom\u2014or when I mess up with them\u2014I just try to let them know to keep their eyes on Jesus. I want them to utterly and completely remember that Jesus is their Savior. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, November 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. As parents, we need to make sure our children hear the gospel from us; but we also need to make sure that they see that the gospel is making a difference in our lives. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there was a book\u2014I think it came out in the \u201850s or the \u201860s\u2014a book called <em>The Ugly American<\/em> that really painted a picture of Americans being viewed around the world as obnoxious or just ugly. I\u2019ve thought, \u201cIn our world, today, there are a lot of people who think of Christians as the ugly Christians.\u201d\u00a0 As hard as we try to represent Christ well, for whatever reason in our culture, that\u2019s not the message the culture is getting from us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; and we\u2019ve earned a lot of it, Bob\u2014we really have. Unfortunately, there are still those segments of Christianity that give us bad press. And what each of us needs to realize is\u2014we are ambassadors for Christ. We are leaving a message of some kind by the way we live. And we have a friend with us, here again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Bobby Conway joins us\u2014who believes the same thing\u2014Bobby, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Thank you so much. It\u2019s good to be on with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bobby is the author of a book called <em>The Fifth Gospel<\/em>. That\u2019s not one in addition to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He\u2019s talking about <em>you <\/em>being a representative of Jesus Christ and how you can do that well. He is the lead pastor at Life Fellowship Church near Charlotte. He and his wife Heather have two children. He serves on the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage conference speaker team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I want to know your first conference experience, Bobby. I mean, you ended up being on the team that speaks to thousands of people over the past decade. Tell us about your first one. How long had you guys been married when you went to your first <em>Weekend<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, not when speaking. He\u2019s talking about when you went to learn; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. Well, I remember very vividly our first conference. It was our first year of marriage. We were living in Conway, Arkansas. We were making our away up to northwest Arkansas to go to a conference there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know what to expect. And I was excited for an opportunity to learn some principles until Heather and I got in an argument. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEarly on in our marriage, Heather and I\u2014I don\u2019t know what it was, but it was as if we\u2014if we were going to argue, we just wanted to make sure we argued when we were in a car, when we felt like we were utterly quarantined. And it just\u2014it was so hard. So, we were arguing\u2014we were arguing\u2014here we are. We are supposed to be going away for a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. Well, it was turning into a weekend to remember alright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I remember saying to her: \u201cI ought to just turn this car around right now. We ought to forget the conference altogether.\u201d\u00a0 And I think she might have said something like: \u201cYes, that is fine. Go ahead,\u201d or whatever. Thankfully, God, in His grace, allowed me to go to the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. I sat there\u2014and I remember Dan Jarrell was one of the speakers, who used to be on the team at the time, and another individual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat weekend brought about something so powerful in our lives. It brought about hope, and I think so many couples need hope. It didn\u2019t fix our marriage\u2014it gave us some principles\u2014but it just gave us <em>hope<\/em>. We were feeling the struggles of the nascent stages of our marital relationship\u2014struggling in knowing how to communicate with one another. All of a sudden, we would come down and we had some principles to work with. Little would you ever have imagined that God would allow me to be on the speaking team, travelling around the country, coaching people on how to communicate with their spouse when half the time I don\u2019t\u2014I\u2019m not even convinced I can communicate with my own. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ll tell you the best people speaking at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> are the ones who have been right where you were\u2014the ones who figured out how to get out of the ditch and, at least, it is functional right now. You and Heather aren\u2019t fighting every day; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>No, we are not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, good. Okay. Glad to hear that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But that\u2014but what you\u2019ve just modeled is, frankly, what we try to do at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u2014which is present an authentic look at what a Christ-centered marriage is all about. It\u2019s not a matter of perfection. It\u2019s a matter of people in pursuit of Him. As they deal with their own selfishness, their own disagreements, their own inept abilities at knowing how to communicate, Christ meets us in those moments. He can pull us out of the ditch, put us back on the road, and give us hope that there is a destination out there that really can be fulfilling and enriching. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and I\u2019ll just mention\u2014if folks would like more information about attending a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway, they can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and the information is available there. We\u2019ve encouraged folks, for years, this ought to be a regular part of your marriage maintenance. If you\u2019ve never been\u2014this kind of a weekend getaway is a great way to invest in your marriage. So, go to FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019d like more information about attending a <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaway. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m curious, Bobby\u2014you are a pastor. You\u2019re an apologist and an evangelist. You are passionate about reaching lost people and being able to give a solid defense for the faith when you engage with folks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur reputation, as Christians, in the culture is not very good. Most folks don\u2019t\u2014when they say, \u201cWhat word most often comes to mind when you think of a Christian?\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a fruit of the Spirit word that jumps into people\u2019s heads. It\u2019s a word like: hypocrite, self-righteous, judgmental\u2014and Dennis said, we\u2019ve earned some of that. How are you seeing us perceived by the non-Christian culture around us?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Well, there is no doubt that the church has done a lot of amazing things and lots of good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the same token, we have got to demonstrate more than philanthropy. We\u2019ve got to demonstrate passion for Christ. In fact, we live in a time, unfortunately, where, if you truly are passionate about Christ, people kind of think you\u2019re weird. It\u2019s more normal to lack passion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSadly, even when I became a Christian, I then moved out to the Bible belt. It was very lukewarm compared to the culture that I was in. It was as if professional Christians were trying to tame my passion. Sadly, I would look and think, \u201cThat\u2019s not all that appealing\u2014this indifference toward God \/ this\u2014as Francis Chan said\u2014\u201clukewarm and loving it\u201d kind of Christianity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really feel like the world sees the church as buzzkills. We go around throwing our moral grenades at people. We are joyless. We are fake\u2014hypocritical. And you know, that\u2019s really sad because even the whole idea behind this book is to say, \u201cLet\u2019s have our lives be an apologetic.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe word apologetic comes from the Greek word, <em>apologia<\/em>. It means to give a defense\u2014and where you see this is in 1 Peter 3:15, \u201cAlways be prepared to give a\u201d\u2014<em>apologia<\/em>\u2014\u201cdefense for the hope that is within you.\u201d\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s in the context\u2014not of being able to give a good rational argument for the existence of God\u2014it\u2019s in the context of\u2014when the world sees you suffer; namely, be persecuted because of your love for God\u2014be ready to share why. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a culture where we\u2019ve bought into the American dream. We don\u2019t want to suffer. We don\u2019t want to carry a cross. We\u2019ve got the same idols that the culture does. We are worried about fitting in versus standing out. What has happened, I\u2019m afraid, is people don\u2019t see the church as salt and light. They can\u2019t see us distinguished in this world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this book is a\u2014it\u2019s a call for a fifth Gospel movement to say, \u201cWhat would it look like to show the body of Christ truly in love with the Christ?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You tell a story I want our listeners to hear about a guy in a tire shop\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who gave you a description of what his perception was of Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, I was sitting in a tire shop; and a guy was sitting next to me. So, I thought, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll look for an opportunity to share Jesus with him.\u201d\u00a0 I started talking, and he told me that he was god and that he didn\u2019t need God. I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s interesting.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard a lot of things in evangelism; but never have met someone that was so comfortable saying, \u201cI\u2019m god.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he told me why he, as god, would not embrace Christianity. He said: \u201cYou guys are so divisive. In fact,\u201d he said, \u201cthere are over 30,000 denominations,\u201d\u2014he said. I said, \u201cThere is no way there is over 30,000 denominations.\u201d\u00a0 Well, he actually underestimated the amount of denominations because I went and looked it up. There were over 40,000 denominations. That sends a mix message to our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, what you are saying is that one of the things that we need to be demonstrating is unity\u2014that Fifth Gospel living \/ putting Christ on display in our lives\u2014there is going to be unity within the body of Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I sure hope so. I sure hope so. In order to have unity\u2014the whole idea of unity\u2014it means deference \/ it\u2019s working together. It\u2019s giving up of your own rights at times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the things I\u2019ve told Heather about our own marriage\u2014I said, \u201cYou know, honey, through the years, we\u2019ve had a lot of conflict; but I can tell you something beautiful about our relationship: \u201cHere is a couple, who is still unified in God\u2019s purposes, moving forward.\u201d\u00a0 As I said: \u201cWe know we are really in this thing, and we know we are really committed because many people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago. Our love has been tested.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for those out there who feel like their home is not unified and they don\u2019t feel hope, well, just change the perspective. You\u2019ve had a lot of opportunities to forgive each other as you\u2019ve strived for unity in your home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s where unity begins\u2014it begins in the home. Then, we go into the church and our small groups. Then, the world begins to see, \u201cYou guys actually know how to get along\u2014not perfectly\u2014but you forgive each other and you strive toward that principle.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, I think unity doesn\u2019t mean that we\u2019re going to think alike all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>No, it doesn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Unity does mean that we are going to give grace to one another\u2014that we are going to not let minor things divide us. At the same time, we\u2019re going to stand firm on \u201cWhat are the core convictions of what does unite us?\u201d because we stand together on those things; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve talked about how the world perceives us negatively. What should we be focusing on today?\u00a0 What elements of the four Gospels should we be looking at in order to represent Christ in an authentic way in a broken world?\u00a0 This is a needy world we are in right now. We dare not be silent. I mean, there are far too many that figure they are going to avoid the fray by just saying nothing, and that\u2019s not a solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to live it out; but how do we best do that, Bobby?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>One of the things I shared with a good friend of mine the other night as we were spending time together\u2014I said, \u201cYou know, the greatest thing that can happen in my life before I die is that I could have my life conformed to more books of the Bible.\u201d\u00a0 What I meant by that is I want to be a student of God\u2019s Word so that I can know all of His Scripture so that I can have a Scripturally-shaped life that is really a distinguished life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that we have got to read our Bible. In churches, we need to preach the Word of God. We are trying to make the gospel palatable \/ more digestible; and the Bible is not a buffet where you pick and choose what you want. You get saved by grace, and you spend the rest of your life aligning yourself to the Word of God. When there is something in the Bible that is hard to digest, we don\u2019t say, \u201cThis is what\u2019s wrong with God.\u201d\u00a0 We search our heart and go, \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong with me that I fail to understand God\u2019s perspective?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the messages of the Scripture that you are talking about\u2014that is kind of upside down \/ it\u2019s not at all how I would have written the Christian life\u2014but it\u2019s what Jesus said, \u201cIf you want to be strong, you have to be weak because God\u2019s power is perfected in weakness.\u201d\u00a0 You talk about that in your book\u2014that weak is the new strong?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Weak is the new strong from the standpoint of God loves using weak people. He takes Gideon\u2019s army, and He reduces it down to 300. God loves to meet us in weakness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd there are many people out there who feel too weak to forgive their spouse. They feel too weak to raise their teenager that\u2019s rebelling. They feel too weak to know how to lead their family with wisdom. Weakness has a way of bringing us to surrender, and recognizing our own nothingness, and creating dependency in us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the way we need to look at weakness is weaknesses are our opportunities to depend on God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, exactly. I mean, I\u2019m thinking a strong person says, \u201cI can handle this.\u201d\u00a0 A weak person says, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d\u00a0 Well, which would God rather have\u2014somebody who says, \u201cI can handle this\u2014don\u2019t need You\u2014I\u2019ve got this,\u201d or somebody who says: \u201cI can\u2019t do this. I need help\u201d?\u00a0 That\u2019s why weak is the new strong; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I have said many, many times, \u201cWe think we are in control, but God spends most of our lifetimes trying to convince us that we aren\u2019t and He is.\u201d\u00a0 He is in control, and He wants us in that dependent state. There is something else you talk about, Bobby, that I want you to unpack a bit; and that\u2019s the apologetic of love. We have a trump card that we are to play, as believers, that we uniquely should have; but a lot of us seem to have that card missing in our deck. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, we sure do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe late apologist, who died back in the 1980\u2019s, Francis Schaeffer, once said that love is the final apologetic. Jesus worded it like this, \u201cThe world will know you\u2019re my disciples if you love one another.\u201d\u00a0 I love 1 Corinthians 13, where it gives these wonderful descriptions of what love is. Love does not mean that we adopt everything in the culture. We don\u2019t have to absorb all of their values to be\u2014see, you can love people, even if you don\u2019t agree with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. If there has ever been a time in our country when Christians\u2014true followers of Christ\u2014need to be leading with love, it\u2019s today. It doesn\u2019t mean that\u2019s the only card we play. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, and I think that\u2019s important. I\u2019m glad you brought that up. I know you agree with this, Bobby. There are a lot of people, today, who would say, \u201cThat\u2019s all Christianity is\u2014is love.\u201d\u00a0 So, if you\u2019re a Christian, all you really need to focus on is loving God \/ loving others. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is no unpacking of the fact that loving God means that you acknowledge the truth of who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you stand for that truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, check this out. What about this?\u00a0 The most unloving thing a Christian can do is to not tell a non-believer how to get reconciled to God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>\u2014is to not share the gospel. That\u2019s an unloving thing. The reality is we have so much self-love. That\u2019s one of the reasons we don\u2019t do evangelism because we have so much love for ourself that we don\u2019t want to be rejected. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>And I get it\u2014I feel it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We don\u2019t want to offend anyone\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and we don\u2019t want them not to like us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that\u2019s love for the wrong thing, as you just said. If we love other people, we will be talking with them about their eternal destiny. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne other way we\u2014I think we model a Christ-like life is when we suffer. And I know, when Barbara and I started out in our marriage in 1972, I had no idea what the journey was going to entail. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut over those years\u2014now, more than four decades\u2014we have been through a lot of valleys and a lot of road, where it was a long journey of just suffering\u2014of just going through some very tough stuff. Talk about having joy in the midst of circumstances that don\u2019t feel good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I think joy is something that is at our disposal, as Christians, that we can reach out to and grab hold of. It\u2019s a missing picture that the world is failing to see demonstrated through much of the church. We should be the most joyful people in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, in the book of Hebrews\u2014in Chapter 1, in verses 8 and 9\u2014we see God, the Father, speaking of His Son, Jesus. It says, \u201cGod, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beyond Your companions.\u201d\u00a0 But it tells us why\u2014because He hated lawlessness and loved keeping the law. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Jesus is somebody who knew the oil of gladness because He wasn\u2019t bogged down with guilt. I believe Jesus was the most joyful person to ever live because He was guilt- free because He didn\u2019t adopt the ways of living according to sin. That gave Him a joy in His life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And so, when we suffer, we need to find our joy in remembering that we\u2019ve been declared righteous\u2014that we are forgiven by God \/ that we are still in relationship with Him\u2014and that no matter what comes against us, nothing can take away the fact that we have been forgiven and that we\u2019ve got God\u2019s principles to guide us and help us to live for Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I love the verse in Psalm 4 that says, \u201cThere are many who say, \u2018Who will show us some good?\u2019\u201d\u00a0 And you can see that. It\u2019s the people in the culture who are saying: \u201cOkay, so, tell us about God. Tell us why we should believe there is a God. Show us some good.\u201d\u00a0 And it goes on to say, \u201cYou have put more joy in our heart than they have when their grain and wine abound.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just think it\u2019s a great picture of: \u201cLook, if you know Christ, you\u2019ve got more joy than people who live in prosperity\u2014people who are eating, drinking, and being merry.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s kind of a substitute imitation joy; but we show good when the joy of the Lord is, indeed, our strength and people see that being lived out in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell the story of something that just happened, here at FamilyLife. We had a guest preacher come in and share how his little church responded to the tornado that took the life of one of our staff members, here at FamilyLife, and his two teenage daughters. It is a little church at a crossroads called Ferndale. Ferndale probably has a total of, maybe, a hundred people in the entire\u2014I don\u2019t even know if it\u2019s a community or not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, I don\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s on the map, though\u2014but this little church called Pleasant Grove Baptist Church\u2014this pastor took it over\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014had 40 people in it. How could he have known that, a couple years later, after he gave leadership to this church, a tornado would hit about six or seven miles from that church and that little church would be given the opportunity to become a checkpoint for all of the aid\u2014water, food, clothing, clean-up, all the crews\u2014hundreds of people \/ thousands of people that went and helped tornado victims in the midst of their suffering?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think sometimes, we tend to underestimate how God is going to use us. I got an email, Bob, from a friend that you know, who is now in politics. I wrote him an email. I said: \u201cYou know, you have no idea why God has put you where you are. He wants to use you for His purposes and use your life in great ways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo not underestimate how God could use you.\u201d\u00a0 He wrote me back a note; and he said, \u201cI just want to thank you for your words.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, Bobby\u2014I think people forget who they are and whose they are\u2014that there is a God. And even in our imperfection, He wants to use us in the midst of our journey\u2014whether it is suffering \/ whether it\u2019s talking to somebody at the water cooler at work\u2014He wants us to represent Jesus Christ in those moments. And He wants us to leave the fragrance of Christ wherever we go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPersonally, I love your book. I love what you\u2019ve done here. It\u2019s a great exhortation to all of us to do a better job of realizing whose we are, and who we are in Christ, and represent Him wherever we\u2019re going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks to you and Heather, too, for being on the speaker team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m glad you didn\u2019t turn around when you went to that first <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> in your first year of marriage. I\u2019d hate to think what was at stake, at that point. Thanks for being on the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Thank you very much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We do have copies of Bobby Conway\u2019s book, <em>The Fifth Gospel<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order, online, from us. Just go to FamilyLifeToday.com. In the upper left-hand corner of the screen, there is a link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d\u00a0 You click on that link, and you can order Bobby\u2019s book. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and order the book over the phone. Again\u2014the website is: FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also take a minute and just say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those folks who make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. We are a listener-supported program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the support we receive from folks, like you, that make this daily radio program possible\u2014helps cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program. So, we are grateful whenever we hear from our listeners; and we appreciate your financial partnership in this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help us with a donation right now, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending a resource that Barbara Rainey has created. It\u2019s called \u201cUntie Your Story.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s a spool that has napkin wraps on it. Each wrap has a different question that you can read at the dinner table and provoke enlightening conversation. It\u2019s our thank-you gift to you when you support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go, online, to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI Care,\u201d to make an online donation. Or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make a donation over the phone. And of course, you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur zip code is 72223. Let me just say: \u201cThanks, in advance, for your support. We really do appreciate your partnership with this ministry.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to continue talking about the gospel. We\u2019ll talk about the fact that it\u2019s a risky gospel. Owen Strachan is going to join us, and I hope you can be here as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Conway reminds us that Christians' lives are to reflect the heart of Christ.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-11-21.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Have you shared the gospel with your children?\u00a0 Bobby Conway says that\u2019s not something we just do once and, then, we\u2019re done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I spend a lot of time around the dinner table or on drives\u2014just teaching my kids about life, as we go. And then, when I mess up, as a father, before them with their mom\u2014or when I mess up with them\u2014I just try to let them know to keep their eyes on Jesus. I want them to utterly and completely remember that Jesus is their Savior. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, November 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. As parents, we need to make sure our children hear the gospel from us; but we also need to make sure that they see that the gospel is making a difference in our lives. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there was a book\u2014I think it came out in the \u201850s or the \u201860s\u2014a book called <em>The Ugly American<\/em> that really painted a picture of Americans being viewed around the world as obnoxious or just ugly. I\u2019ve thought, \u201cIn our world, today, there are a lot of people who think of Christians as the ugly Christians.\u201d\u00a0 As hard as we try to represent Christ well, for whatever reason in our culture, that\u2019s not the message the culture is getting from us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No; and we\u2019ve earned a lot of it, Bob\u2014we really have. Unfortunately, there are still those segments of Christianity that give us bad press. And what each of us needs to realize is\u2014we are ambassadors for Christ. We are leaving a message of some kind by the way we live. And we have a friend with us, here again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Bobby Conway joins us\u2014who believes the same thing\u2014Bobby, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Thank you so much. It\u2019s good to be on with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bobby is the author of a book called <em>The Fifth Gospel<\/em>. That\u2019s not one in addition to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He\u2019s talking about <em>you <\/em>being a representative of Jesus Christ and how you can do that well. He is the lead pastor at Life Fellowship Church near Charlotte. He and his wife Heather have two children. He serves on the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage conference speaker team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I want to know your first conference experience, Bobby. I mean, you ended up being on the team that speaks to thousands of people over the past decade. Tell us about your first one. How long had you guys been married when you went to your first <em>Weekend<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, not when speaking. He\u2019s talking about when you went to learn; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. Well, I remember very vividly our first conference. It was our first year of marriage. We were living in Conway, Arkansas. We were making our away up to northwest Arkansas to go to a conference there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI didn\u2019t know what to expect. And I was excited for an opportunity to learn some principles until Heather and I got in an argument. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEarly on in our marriage, Heather and I\u2014I don\u2019t know what it was, but it was as if we\u2014if we were going to argue, we just wanted to make sure we argued when we were in a car, when we felt like we were utterly quarantined. And it just\u2014it was so hard. So, we were arguing\u2014we were arguing\u2014here we are. We are supposed to be going away for a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. Well, it was turning into a weekend to remember alright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I remember saying to her: \u201cI ought to just turn this car around right now. We ought to forget the conference altogether.\u201d\u00a0 And I think she might have said something like: \u201cYes, that is fine. Go ahead,\u201d or whatever. Thankfully, God, in His grace, allowed me to go to the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>. I sat there\u2014and I remember Dan Jarrell was one of the speakers, who used to be on the team at the time, and another individual. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat weekend brought about something so powerful in our lives. It brought about hope, and I think so many couples need hope. It didn\u2019t fix our marriage\u2014it gave us some principles\u2014but it just gave us <em>hope<\/em>. We were feeling the struggles of the nascent stages of our marital relationship\u2014struggling in knowing how to communicate with one another. All of a sudden, we would come down and we had some principles to work with. Little would you ever have imagined that God would allow me to be on the speaking team, travelling around the country, coaching people on how to communicate with their spouse when half the time I don\u2019t\u2014I\u2019m not even convinced I can communicate with my own. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019ll tell you the best people speaking at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> are the ones who have been right where you were\u2014the ones who figured out how to get out of the ditch and, at least, it is functional right now. You and Heather aren\u2019t fighting every day; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>No, we are not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, good. Okay. Glad to hear that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>But that\u2014but what you\u2019ve just modeled is, frankly, what we try to do at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>\u2014which is present an authentic look at what a Christ-centered marriage is all about. It\u2019s not a matter of perfection. It\u2019s a matter of people in pursuit of Him. As they deal with their own selfishness, their own disagreements, their own inept abilities at knowing how to communicate, Christ meets us in those moments. He can pull us out of the ditch, put us back on the road, and give us hope that there is a destination out there that really can be fulfilling and enriching. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and I\u2019ll just mention\u2014if folks would like more information about attending a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> marriage getaway, they can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and the information is available there. We\u2019ve encouraged folks, for years, this ought to be a regular part of your marriage maintenance. If you\u2019ve never been\u2014this kind of a weekend getaway is a great way to invest in your marriage. So, go to FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019d like more information about attending a <em>Weekend to Remember <\/em>marriage getaway. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m curious, Bobby\u2014you are a pastor. You\u2019re an apologist and an evangelist. You are passionate about reaching lost people and being able to give a solid defense for the faith when you engage with folks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur reputation, as Christians, in the culture is not very good. Most folks don\u2019t\u2014when they say, \u201cWhat word most often comes to mind when you think of a Christian?\u201d\u2014it\u2019s not a fruit of the Spirit word that jumps into people\u2019s heads. It\u2019s a word like: hypocrite, self-righteous, judgmental\u2014and Dennis said, we\u2019ve earned some of that. How are you seeing us perceived by the non-Christian culture around us?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Well, there is no doubt that the church has done a lot of amazing things and lots of good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the same token, we have got to demonstrate more than philanthropy. We\u2019ve got to demonstrate passion for Christ. In fact, we live in a time, unfortunately, where, if you truly are passionate about Christ, people kind of think you\u2019re weird. It\u2019s more normal to lack passion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSadly, even when I became a Christian, I then moved out to the Bible belt. It was very lukewarm compared to the culture that I was in. It was as if professional Christians were trying to tame my passion. Sadly, I would look and think, \u201cThat\u2019s not all that appealing\u2014this indifference toward God \/ this\u2014as Francis Chan said\u2014\u201clukewarm and loving it\u201d kind of Christianity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really feel like the world sees the church as buzzkills. We go around throwing our moral grenades at people. We are joyless. We are fake\u2014hypocritical. And you know, that\u2019s really sad because even the whole idea behind this book is to say, \u201cLet\u2019s have our lives be an apologetic.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe word apologetic comes from the Greek word, <em>apologia<\/em>. It means to give a defense\u2014and where you see this is in 1 Peter 3:15, \u201cAlways be prepared to give a\u201d\u2014<em>apologia<\/em>\u2014\u201cdefense for the hope that is within you.\u201d\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s in the context\u2014not of being able to give a good rational argument for the existence of God\u2014it\u2019s in the context of\u2014when the world sees you suffer; namely, be persecuted because of your love for God\u2014be ready to share why. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a culture where we\u2019ve bought into the American dream. We don\u2019t want to suffer. We don\u2019t want to carry a cross. We\u2019ve got the same idols that the culture does. We are worried about fitting in versus standing out. What has happened, I\u2019m afraid, is people don\u2019t see the church as salt and light. They can\u2019t see us distinguished in this world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this book is a\u2014it\u2019s a call for a fifth Gospel movement to say, \u201cWhat would it look like to show the body of Christ truly in love with the Christ?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You tell a story I want our listeners to hear about a guy in a tire shop\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014who gave you a description of what his perception was of Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, I was sitting in a tire shop; and a guy was sitting next to me. So, I thought, \u201cWell, I\u2019ll look for an opportunity to share Jesus with him.\u201d\u00a0 I started talking, and he told me that he was god and that he didn\u2019t need God. I thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s interesting.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard a lot of things in evangelism; but never have met someone that was so comfortable saying, \u201cI\u2019m god.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, he told me why he, as god, would not embrace Christianity. He said: \u201cYou guys are so divisive. In fact,\u201d he said, \u201cthere are over 30,000 denominations,\u201d\u2014he said. I said, \u201cThere is no way there is over 30,000 denominations.\u201d\u00a0 Well, he actually underestimated the amount of denominations because I went and looked it up. There were over 40,000 denominations. That sends a mix message to our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, what you are saying is that one of the things that we need to be demonstrating is unity\u2014that Fifth Gospel living \/ putting Christ on display in our lives\u2014there is going to be unity within the body of Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I sure hope so. I sure hope so. In order to have unity\u2014the whole idea of unity\u2014it means deference \/ it\u2019s working together. It\u2019s giving up of your own rights at times. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, one of the things I\u2019ve told Heather about our own marriage\u2014I said, \u201cYou know, honey, through the years, we\u2019ve had a lot of conflict; but I can tell you something beautiful about our relationship: \u201cHere is a couple, who is still unified in God\u2019s purposes, moving forward.\u201d\u00a0 As I said: \u201cWe know we are really in this thing, and we know we are really committed because many people would have thrown in the towel a long time ago. Our love has been tested.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for those out there who feel like their home is not unified and they don\u2019t feel hope, well, just change the perspective. You\u2019ve had a lot of opportunities to forgive each other as you\u2019ve strived for unity in your home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s where unity begins\u2014it begins in the home. Then, we go into the church and our small groups. Then, the world begins to see, \u201cYou guys actually know how to get along\u2014not perfectly\u2014but you forgive each other and you strive toward that principle.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, I think unity doesn\u2019t mean that we\u2019re going to think alike all the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>No, it doesn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Unity does mean that we are going to give grace to one another\u2014that we are going to not let minor things divide us. At the same time, we\u2019re going to stand firm on \u201cWhat are the core convictions of what does unite us?\u201d because we stand together on those things; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019ve talked about how the world perceives us negatively. What should we be focusing on today?\u00a0 What elements of the four Gospels should we be looking at in order to represent Christ in an authentic way in a broken world?\u00a0 This is a needy world we are in right now. We dare not be silent. I mean, there are far too many that figure they are going to avoid the fray by just saying nothing, and that\u2019s not a solution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to live it out; but how do we best do that, Bobby?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>One of the things I shared with a good friend of mine the other night as we were spending time together\u2014I said, \u201cYou know, the greatest thing that can happen in my life before I die is that I could have my life conformed to more books of the Bible.\u201d\u00a0 What I meant by that is I want to be a student of God\u2019s Word so that I can know all of His Scripture so that I can have a Scripturally-shaped life that is really a distinguished life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that we have got to read our Bible. In churches, we need to preach the Word of God. We are trying to make the gospel palatable \/ more digestible; and the Bible is not a buffet where you pick and choose what you want. You get saved by grace, and you spend the rest of your life aligning yourself to the Word of God. When there is something in the Bible that is hard to digest, we don\u2019t say, \u201cThis is what\u2019s wrong with God.\u201d\u00a0 We search our heart and go, \u201cWhat\u2019s wrong with me that I fail to understand God\u2019s perspective?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the messages of the Scripture that you are talking about\u2014that is kind of upside down \/ it\u2019s not at all how I would have written the Christian life\u2014but it\u2019s what Jesus said, \u201cIf you want to be strong, you have to be weak because God\u2019s power is perfected in weakness.\u201d\u00a0 You talk about that in your book\u2014that weak is the new strong?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Weak is the new strong from the standpoint of God loves using weak people. He takes Gideon\u2019s army, and He reduces it down to 300. God loves to meet us in weakness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd there are many people out there who feel too weak to forgive their spouse. They feel too weak to raise their teenager that\u2019s rebelling. They feel too weak to know how to lead their family with wisdom. Weakness has a way of bringing us to surrender, and recognizing our own nothingness, and creating dependency in us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the way we need to look at weakness is weaknesses are our opportunities to depend on God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, exactly. I mean, I\u2019m thinking a strong person says, \u201cI can handle this.\u201d\u00a0 A weak person says, \u201cI can\u2019t do this.\u201d\u00a0 Well, which would God rather have\u2014somebody who says, \u201cI can handle this\u2014don\u2019t need You\u2014I\u2019ve got this,\u201d or somebody who says: \u201cI can\u2019t do this. I need help\u201d?\u00a0 That\u2019s why weak is the new strong; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I have said many, many times, \u201cWe think we are in control, but God spends most of our lifetimes trying to convince us that we aren\u2019t and He is.\u201d\u00a0 He is in control, and He wants us in that dependent state. There is something else you talk about, Bobby, that I want you to unpack a bit; and that\u2019s the apologetic of love. We have a trump card that we are to play, as believers, that we uniquely should have; but a lot of us seem to have that card missing in our deck. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, we sure do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe late apologist, who died back in the 1980\u2019s, Francis Schaeffer, once said that love is the final apologetic. Jesus worded it like this, \u201cThe world will know you\u2019re my disciples if you love one another.\u201d\u00a0 I love 1 Corinthians 13, where it gives these wonderful descriptions of what love is. Love does not mean that we adopt everything in the culture. We don\u2019t have to absorb all of their values to be\u2014see, you can love people, even if you don\u2019t agree with them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. If there has ever been a time in our country when Christians\u2014true followers of Christ\u2014need to be leading with love, it\u2019s today. It doesn\u2019t mean that\u2019s the only card we play. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, and I think that\u2019s important. I\u2019m glad you brought that up. I know you agree with this, Bobby. There are a lot of people, today, who would say, \u201cThat\u2019s all Christianity is\u2014is love.\u201d\u00a0 So, if you\u2019re a Christian, all you really need to focus on is loving God \/ loving others. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is no unpacking of the fact that loving God means that you acknowledge the truth of who He is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you stand for that truth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes, check this out. What about this?\u00a0 The most unloving thing a Christian can do is to not tell a non-believer how to get reconciled to God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>\u2014is to not share the gospel. That\u2019s an unloving thing. The reality is we have so much self-love. That\u2019s one of the reasons we don\u2019t do evangelism because we have so much love for ourself that we don\u2019t want to be rejected. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>And I get it\u2014I feel it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We don\u2019t want to offend anyone\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and we don\u2019t want them not to like us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that\u2019s love for the wrong thing, as you just said. If we love other people, we will be talking with them about their eternal destiny. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne other way we\u2014I think we model a Christ-like life is when we suffer. And I know, when Barbara and I started out in our marriage in 1972, I had no idea what the journey was going to entail. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut over those years\u2014now, more than four decades\u2014we have been through a lot of valleys and a lot of road, where it was a long journey of just suffering\u2014of just going through some very tough stuff. Talk about having joy in the midst of circumstances that don\u2019t feel good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I think joy is something that is at our disposal, as Christians, that we can reach out to and grab hold of. It\u2019s a missing picture that the world is failing to see demonstrated through much of the church. We should be the most joyful people in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, in the book of Hebrews\u2014in Chapter 1, in verses 8 and 9\u2014we see God, the Father, speaking of His Son, Jesus. It says, \u201cGod, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness beyond Your companions.\u201d\u00a0 But it tells us why\u2014because He hated lawlessness and loved keeping the law. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Jesus is somebody who knew the oil of gladness because He wasn\u2019t bogged down with guilt. I believe Jesus was the most joyful person to ever live because He was guilt- free because He didn\u2019t adopt the ways of living according to sin. That gave Him a joy in His life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And so, when we suffer, we need to find our joy in remembering that we\u2019ve been declared righteous\u2014that we are forgiven by God \/ that we are still in relationship with Him\u2014and that no matter what comes against us, nothing can take away the fact that we have been forgiven and that we\u2019ve got God\u2019s principles to guide us and help us to live for Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I love the verse in Psalm 4 that says, \u201cThere are many who say, \u2018Who will show us some good?\u2019\u201d\u00a0 And you can see that. It\u2019s the people in the culture who are saying: \u201cOkay, so, tell us about God. Tell us why we should believe there is a God. Show us some good.\u201d\u00a0 And it goes on to say, \u201cYou have put more joy in our heart than they have when their grain and wine abound.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just think it\u2019s a great picture of: \u201cLook, if you know Christ, you\u2019ve got more joy than people who live in prosperity\u2014people who are eating, drinking, and being merry.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s kind of a substitute imitation joy; but we show good when the joy of the Lord is, indeed, our strength and people see that being lived out in our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell the story of something that just happened, here at FamilyLife. We had a guest preacher come in and share how his little church responded to the tornado that took the life of one of our staff members, here at FamilyLife, and his two teenage daughters. It is a little church at a crossroads called Ferndale. Ferndale probably has a total of, maybe, a hundred people in the entire\u2014I don\u2019t even know if it\u2019s a community or not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, I don\u2019t either. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s on the map, though\u2014but this little church called Pleasant Grove Baptist Church\u2014this pastor took it over\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014had 40 people in it. How could he have known that, a couple years later, after he gave leadership to this church, a tornado would hit about six or seven miles from that church and that little church would be given the opportunity to become a checkpoint for all of the aid\u2014water, food, clothing, clean-up, all the crews\u2014hundreds of people \/ thousands of people that went and helped tornado victims in the midst of their suffering?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think sometimes, we tend to underestimate how God is going to use us. I got an email, Bob, from a friend that you know, who is now in politics. I wrote him an email. I said: \u201cYou know, you have no idea why God has put you where you are. He wants to use you for His purposes and use your life in great ways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDo not underestimate how God could use you.\u201d\u00a0 He wrote me back a note; and he said, \u201cI just want to thank you for your words.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, Bobby\u2014I think people forget who they are and whose they are\u2014that there is a God. And even in our imperfection, He wants to use us in the midst of our journey\u2014whether it is suffering \/ whether it\u2019s talking to somebody at the water cooler at work\u2014He wants us to represent Jesus Christ in those moments. And He wants us to leave the fragrance of Christ wherever we go. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPersonally, I love your book. I love what you\u2019ve done here. It\u2019s a great exhortation to all of us to do a better job of realizing whose we are, and who we are in Christ, and represent Him wherever we\u2019re going. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks to you and Heather, too, for being on the speaker team. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m glad you didn\u2019t turn around when you went to that first <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> in your first year of marriage. I\u2019d hate to think what was at stake, at that point. Thanks for being on the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Thank you very much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>We do have copies of Bobby Conway\u2019s book, <em>The Fifth Gospel<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order, online, from us. Just go to FamilyLifeToday.com. In the upper left-hand corner of the screen, there is a link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d\u00a0 You click on that link, and you can order Bobby\u2019s book. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and order the book over the phone. Again\u2014the website is: FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also take a minute and just say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those folks who make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. We are a listener-supported program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s the support we receive from folks, like you, that make this daily radio program possible\u2014helps cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program. So, we are grateful whenever we hear from our listeners; and we appreciate your financial partnership in this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you can help us with a donation right now, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending a resource that Barbara Rainey has created. It\u2019s called \u201cUntie Your Story.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s a spool that has napkin wraps on it. Each wrap has a different question that you can read at the dinner table and provoke enlightening conversation. It\u2019s our thank-you gift to you when you support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go, online, to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the screen that says, \u201cI Care,\u201d to make an online donation. Or you can call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u2014make a donation over the phone. And of course, you can mail your donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at PO Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur zip code is 72223. Let me just say: \u201cThanks, in advance, for your support. We really do appreciate your partnership with this ministry.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to continue talking about the gospel. We\u2019ll talk about the fact that it\u2019s a risky gospel. Owen Strachan is going to join us, and I hope you can be here as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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