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Pastor Kyle Idleman, author of the book, \"Gods at War,\" explains that an idol is anything or anyone we put our hope in other than God.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-09-25.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know the first of the Ten Commandments; right? \u201cYou shall have no other gods before me.\u201d But Kyle Idleman says, in our culture, there are thousands of gods begging us to worship them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Everything around you\u2014the advertisements \/ the commercials\u2014they are promising satisfaction. You think, \u201cIf I could just have this!\u201d Maybe you\u2019re experiencing some frustration\u2014you\u2019ve been asking God, perhaps, to bless a certain area of your life\u2014maybe to bless you financially or to bless your love life. Look, God\u2019s not going to bless His competition. If you\u2019re looking to something or someone to <em>do <\/em>for you what God wants to do for you, don\u2019t expect Him to bless that. Instead: \u201cTaste and see that the Lord is good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, September 25<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll see today how one way we ought to deal with our sinful desires is to have something we desire a whole lot more. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. It occurs to me that the guy that we\u2019re interviewing today is, not only a pastor of a large church\u2014one of the largest churches in America\u2014a well-known author, he\u2019s also an Executive Producer. Are you an Executive Producer of this movie that\u2019s coming out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014in theaters this weekend? It\u2019s called <em>The Song<\/em>: <em>The Story of the Life of Solomon in a Modern Retelling.<\/em> He has successfully graduated from <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video series that FamilyLife has made.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, he even recalled one episode!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He did recall one episode. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I\u2019m not going to tell you which one that was! [Laughter] For those listeners who have gone through that\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They probably can\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> \u2014they probably know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Kyle Idleman, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Thanks for writing this book, <em>Gods at War: Defeating the Idols that Battle for your Heart.<\/em> Welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Thanks for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s start with kind of recasting what an idol is. I think, when we speak in religious circles, we typically think of an object.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think of Buddha statues or I think of golden calves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s what I think of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, but that\u2019s totally missing the point; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> It is, but that\u2019s not too far off\u2014it\u2019s just <em>different<\/em> today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> You know, they serve, in some ways, the same purpose. An idol is anything or anyone that we look to do for us what only God can do for us\u2014so, anything or anyone we put our hope in rather than God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was looking at some pictures that a friend of mine brought back from his mission trip to India. He was showing me some homes where he had visited. They had put a golden image in the center of their home where they carefully aligned the seats so that they would all face this golden image. He was telling me about how idolatry was more prevalent in that culture. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking to myself, \u201cWell, we don\u2019t have that problem today.\u201d Then I went home, and I sat in my living room. I started to notice that the chairs were in a perfect circle and centered around a television.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That glows.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes. So it\u2019s not that different; right? [Laughter] It\u2019s when we <em>align<\/em> our lives, our time, and our money around something other than God. Really, the motivation for this book came after I wrote <em>Not a Fan<\/em>, which is a book that calls people to follow Jesus in a more completely committed way. Bill Bright was someone who really inspired me to look at the Christian life differently\u2014to follow Jesus more wholeheartedly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I discovered, after writing that book, is that there are many churches full of Christians who really do long to follow Jesus in a more committed way. As I would visit these churches, I would hear of these commitments and then I would sit and talk with these Christians. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I discovered\u2014and it\u2019s certainly been true for me\u2014but what I discovered was that\u2014oftentimes, though they really want to follow Jesus, their lives were <em>completely<\/em> aligned around following something or someone else.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt makes it very hard to follow Jesus if your time, your energy, your money, and your resources are all aligned around following these other things. It hit me, \u201cThat\u2019s idolatry!\u201d So it may look a little different, but it\u2019s never been more relevant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are \u201ctemples\u201d that you speak of in your book. I really do like how you kind of separate them. The \u201ctemple of love,\u201d which is relationships\u2014and these can be good relationships\u2014they have just gone to the wrong place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They\u2019ve gotten too big.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right\u2014\u201cthe temple of love,\u201d then\u2014\u201cthe temple of pleasure,\u201d which can be entertainment\/sex\u2014I mean, this is an entertainment culture. But the one I want to talk about today is \u201cthe temple of power,\u201d which is\u2014I think Americans are seduced by on a daily basis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I think back to when we were children. The way that we identified ourselves, oftentimes, was by our accomplishments \/ by our success. So, if you would have come into my room, as a kid in grade school, I could have shown you the trophies that I had mounted on the wall. I could have shown you, you know, my report card from school\u2014these different measures of success, which is one of the significant idols in the temple of power\u2014are the ways that we identify ourselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven, as a Christian, I can identify myself by success \/ by power by saying: \u201cI have done these things,\u201d \/ \u201cI haven\u2019t done these things,\u201d instead of identifying myself as a follower of Jesus\u2014as someone who\u2019s been saved by His grace. We\u2019re kind of conditioned, I think, early on, to find our value, as men and as women, in our success and our achievement. Other people put us on a pedestal, and that\u2019s what makes our lives matter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing wrong with being successful or having accomplishments; is there? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> No, in fact, those are opportunities for us to give God glory. You know, the Bible warns us\u2014not for a moment, to think that it\u2019s by our hand that good things happen\u2014but it\u2019s an opportunity for us, in those moments, to recognize God\u2019s grace\u2014to humble ourselves before Him and realize that it\u2019s <em>only<\/em> by His hand that we\u2019ve been blessed with the opportunities that we have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOftentimes, it leads to putting ourselves on a pedestal\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> \u2014and filling us with pride.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve been giving some thought to this, around an unusual thing, recently. I go online to my Twitter account\u2014I look at my name\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and it has a brief description of who I am.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The first thing that was listed was President and CEO of FamilyLife. I looked at that and go: \u201cNo! I am, first and foremost\u2014I want to be, at least\u2014a follower of Jesus Christ.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cI want to be known as an ambassador for Him\u2014for whatever He gives me\u2014and to represent Him in how I speak.\u201d But I think, for a lot of people\u2014they\u2019ve never stepped back and say: \u201cWho am I? What is my identity?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What defines success? How would the Bible\u2014what direction would it point us in terms of trying to accomplish real success?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Well, I think what\u2019s scary is\u2014for this upcoming generation\u2014the <em>way<\/em> they identify themselves is, oftentimes, who they are on social media. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Who we are on social media is kind of the best version of ourselves. We put that out there for everybody to see\u2014it\u2019s not <em>really<\/em> who we are. What happens is\u2014we start to read the comments of how other people perceive us to be, and we start to think of ourselves in that way. Then, we see the best versions of other people; and we think, \u201cI need to put an even better version of myself out there to match up with what other people see.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> It makes it difficult for us to find our identity in Christ because we\u2019re <em>constantly<\/em> kind of focusing on putting out this image or this portrayal of success, of power, of \u201cWe\u2019ve got our act together,\u201d \u201cWe\u2019re not struggling,\u201d \u201cWe don\u2019t have problems.\u201d That keeps us from really experiencing God\u2019s love and God\u2019s grace in our lives the way He intended.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Kyle, we can come into this temple called \u201cthe temple of power\u201d through three different doors. We can come in through the door of achievement, money, and success. You\u2019ve undoubtedly done a lot of biblical thinking around the subject of success. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you had a young man \/ a young woman\u2014single, perhaps, but maybe married\u2014and they came to you\u2014they are just starting out their life\u2014they just graduated from high school \/ gotten back from service \/ from college\u2014and they\u2019re beginning their place of work, how would you\u2014in light of our conversation here around idolatry\u2014how would you define what success truly is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Well, success is identifying\u201d \u201cOkay, here\u2019s what I want to commit my life to,\u201d or \u201cHere\u2019s what I want to pursue and chase after,\u201d and then chasing after it, and making sure that what we\u2019re chasing after \/ what we are pursuing\u2014where we want to be successful\u2014will reflect the Kingdom of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Kyle, I want to add one little twist to what you just said there. You quoted Bill Bright\u2014or you mentioned him earlier.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He used to have a definition of what was success in witnessing or success in sharing the Person of Jesus Christ with another person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He used to say, \u201cSuccess in witnessing is simply sharing Christ, in the power of the Holy Spirit, and leaving the results to God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I would just change that definition about witnessing to life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Success in life is sharing Christ, as you go through life, with all that you can in the power of the Holy Spirit, and leaving the results to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is living life to the fullest ability\u2014with the Kingdom of God, like you talked about, in mind\u2014and realizing we\u2019re going to give account to God in terms of how we\u2019ve used the gifts, the talents, the time, the treasure that we have to honor and glorify Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> What I like about that is that it\u2019s measuring success by <em>faithfulness<\/em>. We offer it up to Him, and what He does with it\u2014that is up to Him\u2014the fruit that He brings out of it\u2014that is all Him. So, whatever good comes\u2014He gets the glory. If it doesn\u2019t go the way that we thought it would\u2014that\u2019s alright because success is measured by faithfulness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got people in your church\u2014and your church is a big church\u201420,000 people\u2014you\u2019ve got some, who, by society\u2019s standards, are <em>very<\/em> successful. They\u2019ve got high-paying jobs, they live in really nice houses, and they got what they need. You\u2019ve got other folks who are scraping to get by in the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you were talking to them about success, how would you try to recalibrate? Because the truth is\u2014both of them could be missing the right thing, even if they\u2019ve achieved or failed to achieve economic success; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or both of them can be successful if they\u2019re being faithful to do what God has called them to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not the amount of money in your bank account\u2014. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or your title that determines whether you\u2019ve been successful. It\u2019s back to faithfulness, that you\u2019ve talked about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes. What will inevitably happen is that you will be put in a position where you have to choose in some way. You know, one of the most consistent words, connected to idolatry in the Bible, is the word \u201cchoose.\u201d You know the classic example, of course, of \u201cChoose you this day whom you will serve\u201d; but you go to Jesus and the rich, young ruler. The rich, young ruler might reflect someone who\u2019s powerful, successful\/wealthy, by our standards. Jesus says to him: \u201cGo, sell all you have.\u201d A lot of people think that that passage is about money, but that passage is really about idolatry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> He\u2019s choosing between this and between following Jesus. That\u2019s why, a few chapters later, you have Zacchaeus. Zacchaeus wasn\u2019t told to go sell everything he had.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> But he was challenged, and he responded with generosity. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut what you\u2019ll find and what I would challenge the folks in our church to understand\u2014that you are either at a crossroads or you soon will be, where you will have to choose between <em>this<\/em> and between Jesus. There are a lot of different ways that that choice might be lived out. It might be through generous giving \/ it might be through serving in a humble way\u2014but you will have to choose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You tell the story, in your book, about a trip that Ruth Graham\u2014Billy Graham\u2019s wife\u2014made to the Caribbean. It illustrates what we\u2019re talking about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes, she was visiting this Caribbean island. They were with a man who was \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t75 years old. He was wealthy, but he was also miserable. You know, he was the one whom everybody else on the Caribbean island envied and wanted to be like; but he wasn\u2019t happy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter spending the afternoon and having lunch with this very wealthy, powerful man, Billy and Ruth spent some time with the pastor of the local Baptist church. He was the same age as this wealthy guy\u2014he was 75 years old. He didn\u2019t have\u2014in his words\u2014\u201ctwo pounds to his name.\u201d But he said to Ruth Graham\u2014he said, \u201cI\u2019m the happiest man on the island.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBilly Graham, as he tells the story, relates that he asked his wife after they left: \u201cWho do you think is the richer man?\u201d The Bible talks a lot about the riches in Christ that, in Him, we find a much deeper fulfillment and a much deeper satisfaction than anything that this world could offer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, as we talk about idolatry, I don\u2019t think we have talked enough about the One, who once we see Him for who He really is, everything else is looking just a little bit like a junk sale. Jesus Christ\u2014once you see Him for who He is\u2014you\u2019re <em>compelled <\/em>to say, \u201cIf you are who You claim You are, nothing else matters!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf He be Lord, crown Him King. Follow Him and get busy in this Book\u2014getting to know Him\u2014and asking Him to live His life in and through you to touch other people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> That is <em>so true<\/em>. That\u2019s why, in the Old Testament, you just read again, and again, and again, and again, and again that the problem is idolatry. Then, in the New Testament, Jesus is introduced. We\u2019re told a lot about Jesus\u2014that\u2019s because, in order to defeat idols in our life\u2014they\u2019re not defeated by <em>removing<\/em> them\u2014but by replacing them with the real thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I challenge parents with this. I know, as a parent, one of the things I try to do is I try to guard my kids against idols and against these different influences. Sometimes, I can put a lot of emphasis on what they need to stay away from and warning them constantly\u2014but if I can get their hearts and their eyes set on Jesus\u2014that\u2019s really how you guard your heart against idolatry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> It\u2019s not by just removing these idols\u2014it\u2019s by putting Jesus in His right place. In some ways, just focusing on the idols can make them even more powerful. It\u2019s like research that shows\u2014if you go on a diet, you can, sometimes, gain more weight because you\u2019re constantly thinking about food. Well, that\u2019s true of idolatry as well. The <em>focus<\/em> should be quickly put on Jesus because He is the One who ultimately delivers what all of these other things can only promise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And that reminds me of a well-known quote from C.S. Lewis, who said: \u201cWe are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by an offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s why we pursue idols\u2014because we\u2019re half-hearted creatures\u2014and they\u2019re shiny and they glitter. We\u2019ve lost sight of that which is infinitely more valuable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I grew up in southwest Missouri\u2014so did Kyle. He\u2019s from Joplin, which is the big city. [Laughter] I was from a little town called Ozark, Missouri, which is now maybe bigger than Joplin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But I remember religion growing very stale and basketball glittering very bright, as a teenager. So, I gave my life to that. I wasn\u2019t good enough to really get a full scholarship to college or certainly to do anything beyond that because I wasn\u2019t that athletic\u2014I was too short and too slow\u2014but as those things kind of went their way, and I realized I wasn\u2019t going to be able to center my life around them, I then had to realize, \u201cSo, who or what must I center my life around?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFortunately, I ran into a great church\u2014University Baptist Church in Fayetteville, Arkansas\u2014and a pastor there, H.D. McCarty, who made Jesus Christ the issue on campus. He was determined, not in necessarily eloquent words\u2014although he was a very articulate preacher\u2014but he had determined he wanted to make Jesus Christ as clear and as evident in who He was and the claims that He made about Himself and about <em>me<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a result of seeing Jesus\u2014hearing about Jesus \/ reading about Jesus\u2014I ultimately surrendered my life to Him and said: \u201cYou know what? For the rest of my life, I want to serve Him. Anything else would be a <em>waste<\/em> of my life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere may be somebody, who\u2019s been listening to us, Kyle, who\u2019s on the outside, looking in. Maybe their life is <em>surrounded<\/em> by idols. They\u2019re not kneeling before a rock or something shiny, but their lives have characterized that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey have never seen Jesus Christ. Could you introduce that person to the Savior and how they can have a personal relationship with Him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> You know, I love the way Jesus introduces Himself to people, who are in that same place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> I think of several examples in Scripture: John, Chapter 4\u2014the woman at the well who is thirsty. She has a physical thirst, but Jesus has come. He introduces Himself as \u201cthe living water.\u201d If she drinks of Him, she\u2019ll never thirst again. In John, Chapter 6, you\u2019ve got the feeding of the 5,000. The people had hungry stomachs, and Jesus gave them food; but the next day they wanted more food. Jesus says: \u201cWhat about Me? Am I enough?\u201d He refers to Himself as \u201cthe bread of life\u201d that truly satisfies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a wonderful passage in the Old Testament that says, simply, \u201cTaste and see that the Lord is good.\u201d I know that everything around you\u2014the advertisements \/ the commercials\u2014they are promising satisfaction. You think, \u201cIf I could just have this!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe, you\u2019re experiencing some frustration\u2014you\u2019ve been asking God, perhaps, to bless a certain area of your life\u2014maybe to bless you financially or to bless your love life. Look, God\u2019s not going to bless His competition. If you\u2019re looking to something or someone to <em>do <\/em>for you what God wants to do for you, don\u2019t expect Him to bless that. Instead: \u201cTaste and see that the Lord is good.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, I can just speak personally on this and say that I\u2019ve studied the Bible, at great lengths, on these issues but nothing to me is as powerful, in some ways, as what I know to be true \/ what I\u2019ve experienced\u2014where I have gone down different paths. I\u2019ve searched, and I\u2019ve looked, and I\u2019ve thought: \u201cThis would quench my thirst,\u201d or \u201cThis would satisfy my hunger.\u201d Ultimately, you\u2019ll find that in the person of Jesus. So, take a bite to taste and see that the Lord is good. You can keep going down these other paths but, ultimately, you\u2019ll find that they don\u2019t satisfy\u2014that it\u2019s a dead-end. The invitation is to come to Jesus and to let Him be on the throne of your heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Kyle, I want to thank you for being on the broadcast; for your leadership there at the church; for writing this book; and, also, for giving leadership to this new film being released this weekend, called <em>The Song<\/em>. In fact, before we\u2019re done here, I want you to come back here, at the end of the broadcast, and just share with our listeners why they ought to go to that this weekend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. If folks are interested, by the way, in seeing the trailer of the movie, which we\u2019ve been showing to audiences in Chicago and Portland, at our <em>I Still Do<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> events\u2014and we\u2019re going to show it again in Washington, DC, next weekend\u2014if you\u2019ve like to see the trailer, we\u2019ve got a link to it. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d You can see a preview of the movie, <em>The Song<\/em>, which, as you said, opens this weekend in theaters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also find information about Kyle\u2019s book, which is called <em>Gods at War<\/em>\u2014all about the issue of idolatry. <em>Defeating the Idols that Battle for your Heart<\/em> is the subtitle. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. Again, click the button in the upper left-hand corner that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The information about the book and the trailer for the movie are available right there. Or, if you\u2019d prefer to call to order the book, call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329. Ask about the book, <em>Gods at War<\/em>;and we\u2019ll send it to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we have been highlighting some anniversaries this month\u2014just saying, \u201cCongratulations!\u201d to couples who are friends of FamilyLife\u2014folks who help support the program and help keep <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on the air\u2014keep our website up and active \/ keep the podcasts and the apps all working. Today, we want to give a special \u201cHappy Anniversary!\u201d shout-out to Steve and Tamara Miriam from Battle Ground, Washington\u201432 years of marriage together. Congratulations to the Miriams and thanks for your partnership with us, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a very real sense, it is couples, like this, who made today\u2019s radio broadcast possible. We are listener-supported. Without folks, like this, stepping up and helping to support what we\u2019re doing, FamilyLife could not continue. We certainly couldn\u2019t grow or expand the ministry. In fact, we\u2019d like to encourage you to consider making a donation today to help support this work. When you do, we\u2019ll send you a thank-you gift. It\u2019s a 2015 calendar called \u201cA Fruitful Year.\u201d It\u2019s focusing on the fruit of the Spirit. It actually starts in October\u2014so you can put it up right away when you get it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button in the upper right-hand corner that says, \u201cI Care.\u201d Make a donation, and we\u2019ll get the calendar out to you. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. When you make a donation, mention that you\u2019d like the calendar. You can also support us by writing to <em>FamilyLife <\/em>and including a check. Our mailing address is P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Kyle Idleman has been our guest. Kyle, I\u2019ve enjoyed chatting with you. I hope you\u2019ll come back again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> It\u2019s been fun for me too. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We had to schedule this twice to get you here. I\u2019m glad it finally worked out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are the co-creator of the film, <em>The Song<\/em>. It\u2019s being shown this weekend. Share with our listeners what it\u2019s about and why they ought to go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kyle:<\/strong> <em>The Song <\/em>is a modern-day adaptation of Solomon\u2019s life. It takes the books of Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon, which are two books that are so relevant to our culture today, and it puts those books together and tells Solomon\u2019s life in a modern-day context. Why I am so passionate about this movie is because we are just surrounded with messages in our culture\u2014music that we listen to, the movies we watch, the magazines, advertisements. All are trying to talk to us about things like love, and sex, and marriage, and dating, and romance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, look, God is the creator of these things! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe designed them\u2014He owns the copyright. No one knows more about them than He does. What I love about this movie is that it explores what happens when we listen to our culture instead of our Creator. It reminds us that God really knows what\u2019s best\u2014let\u2019s surrender these areas of our lives over to Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014tomorrow, we want to introduce our listeners to the star of the film. Alan Powell is going to join us. Kyle Idleman is going to be back with us as well. We\u2019ll talk a little more about the movie tomorrow. 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