{"id":303131,"date":"2014-07-21T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-07-21T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/reaching-out-to-inmates-with-the-love-of-christ\/"},"modified":"2014-07-21T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-07-21T15:00:00","slug":"reaching-out-to-inmates-with-the-love-of-christ","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/reaching-out-to-inmates-with-the-love-of-christ\/","title":{"rendered":"Reaching Out to Inmates with the Love of Christ"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Prison Chaplain Bruce Cunningham reminds us that prison inmates are just like you and me. 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He says the men he works with are not much different than you and me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>When you think about a prisoner, you think about a criminal \/ you think about a felon. Typically, people think of them as throw-away people. They tend to think of them as people who are inherently evil; but the truth is, they\u2019re very normal people. I would say, for every inmate inside the prison, there are dozens of people out on the street that are very much just like them; but they have the same mentality, the same emotional makeup, the same kind of relationships, and things of that nature.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, July 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk to Bruce Cunningham today about how he is encouraging men in prison to learn how to step up. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. Does this happen to you?\u2014I find myself these days\u2014I\u2019m watching sporting events and the press conferences afterwards and all of this. I\u2019ll hear a player or a coach say, \u201cYes, So-and-so really stepped up. He was really stepping up!\u201d I just think, \u201cThey must have been reading Dennis\u2019s book.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I heard it before the book came out. So, I have to say I probably stole it from them in the first place. [Laughter] You know, we are going to talk about men stepping up\u2014but maybe a different kind of men. We have a guy who has really given birth to an interesting idea\u2014it is the idea of men stepping up in prison. Now, that\u2019s an interesting idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, you helped create the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>: <em>A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. Did you have any idea, when you were creating that\u2014even though session four was recorded in a prison\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014mostly takes place in a prison\u2014as we went and interviewed a man who has been behind bars for more than two decades and who has found a way to disciple other men inside of a prison out in Colorado. But certainly, we weren\u2019t thinking, \u201cYou know, I bet inmates at prisons are going to want to watch this series.\u201d That wasn\u2019t the target audience for the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series any more than it was your target audience when you wrote the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Exactly. And so, as a result, a guy named Bruce Cunningham stepped up, and stepped in to our lives, and challenged us to get our borders a little broader a bit. He joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Bruce, welcome to our spot in the neighborhood.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s interesting because Bruce has been in the general correctional field\u2014 working in prisons or with prisoners\u2014for more than 25 years. He\u2019s worked in California and Arkansas. You and your wife have six children, three grandchildren.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to go back to the beginning here and find out: \u201cHow in the world did you end up being a chaplain in prison?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I was in the Air Force many years ago. I found employment with the state of California, working in inventory control, which is what I did in the Air Force. I was working in the warehouse at a prison\u2014worked for the state of California. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I was working there, I became friends with the chaplain at the facility. I was very active in our local church\u2014I was very active in the ministry at the church and what have you. I was always very interested in expounding the gospel and getting the gospel into people\u2019s lives. I could see the desperate need in the lives of these men that are inside the prison. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I developed a friendship with the chaplain, he would allow me to come and preach. He would have me counsel the inmates. He would have me perform baptisms for him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got involved in prison ministry just because of the fact that I worked at a prison, and I saw the need, and had a heart for ministry anyway. What ended up happening, as a process of time, he retired from California and, ironically, he moved to Arkansas. The position came open. At that particular point in my life, I had the credentials necessary. With a lot of help from the bishop that was overseeing our organization out in California, I was able to apply for and get the position as chaplain. My wife and I talked about it \/ prayed about it a great deal\u2014and really kind of decided, \u201cThis is a move that I need to make in my life because I love ministry more than I love warehousing and inventory control.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were talking more about preaching and about baptizing these guys than about how the inventory was working; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Indeed. The chaplain that was there would actually send inmates to my office in the warehouse so I could counsel them, from time to time, because he had a big counseling load. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just fell in love with it. I thought, \u201cWow, what a great gig!\u201d You know, \u201cI get to preach, I get to pray, I get to study the Word of God, I get to disciple young men as they grow in the Lord and everything, and I get paid to do it!\u201d At the time, my wife and I, like you said, we have six children. I had more than I could handle at home as well as at work. I thought, \u201cWell, if I can combine these and be a minister for a living, that\u2019s going to work for me.\u201d The Lord made it happen, to my surprise, because I really felt unqualified in a lot of ways.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What\u2019s the biggest misconception you\u2019ve found that people outside a penitentiary or prison have about prisoners?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>They tend to think of them as throw-away people. They tend to think of them as people who are inherently evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think about a prisoner, you think about a criminal \/ you think about a felon. Typically, people think of them as, I don\u2019t know, some kind of way genetically-altered to where they\u2019re not normal people. But the truth is\u2014they\u2019re very normal people. I would say, for every inmate inside the prison, there are dozens of people out in the street that are very much just like them\u2014but they just haven\u2019t either gotten caught for something yet, or they haven\u2019t made some of the same decisions\u2014but they have the same mentality, the same emotional makeup, the same kind of relationships, and things of that nature. That would probably be the biggest misconception I\u2019ve noticed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell you a story. Of course, you\u2019ve heard it because you invited me to come to the prison, here in Arkansas, where you\u2019re the chaplain. I\u2019d never been in a prison before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019d done some things I could have gone to jail for, and I told those prisoners that. I said: \u201cI don\u2019t know you and what you\u2019ve done, and you don\u2019t know me and what I\u2019ve done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cBut I can just tell you, I\u2019m not holding any stones to throw at you. It\u2019s a privilege to be able to come and share what Christ has done in my life with you.\u201d I said, \u201cI made a phone call to a guy in prison ministry. I said, \u2018Tell me what I need to know because I\u2019ve never been in a prison!\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what he did? He did exactly what you just did\u2014he described them\u2014except that he used a word that was even worse than a throw-away. I was not ready for this word. He said, \u201cPrisoners are the lepers of society.\u201d In other words, it\u2019s even a notch below throw-away\u2014they\u2019re diseased\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014you wouldn\u2019t want to go near. He said, \u201cEvery young man \/ every man that you meet in that prison really needs you, as a man, to engage with him, as a man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you know what I did? I went there\u2014and had I not had this conversation, I would not have done this because, when I walked into the prison\u2014Wrightsville State Penitentiary\u2014when I walked in there, I felt it. I felt kind of like a magnetic push away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I had, as an act of my will, to move up and into conversations with those men, and shake their hands\u2014later on, hug them \/ embrace them\u2014look them in the eye \/ tell them I was proud of them\u2014we\u2019ll get to that story a little bit later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. We should jump back and talk about why Dennis wound up behind bars\u2014at least, for one evening\u2014in the first place. All of that had to do with your awareness of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and a desire to see that used in the Wrightsville Prison.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir. Not sure how far back we should go because, in my case, my hunger, and thirst, and desire to see these men educated in what it means to be a man goes quite a ways back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How far back?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Back to the days when my children were toddlers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, it didn\u2019t go back to a prison\u2014it went back to your own life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>\u2014went back to my own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014your own struggle with being a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes, indeed. Yes, absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How so?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well, I met my wife in church. I became a Christian when I was 20 years old. The whole time I was growing up, I didn\u2019t go to church at all. My dad was a violent alcoholic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when I got hold of Jesus Christ, I was excited about it. I was very glad to be on the right side of things, at this point. I\u2019m like: \u201cWow! I\u2019m on the winning team, finally!\u201d When you\u2019re the child of a violent alcoholic, life is pretty chaotic. I was glad to see some order in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUnfortunately, the church that I came to Christ in was a rather self-centered kind of a church. A lot of the focus was on the building the church itself, not so much on building the family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the years, I developed a philosophy that simply says: \u201cIf the church builds the family, the family will build the church; but whenever the church tries to build the church, it robs from the family because it takes people who are dedicated to Christ and uses their dedication, even at the expense of the family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really unfortunate. You find people, like me, who become a ministerial-aholic\u2014where I was a workaholic. I was very involved in all sorts of forms of ministry in the church. My wife was struggling with our children at home\u2014trying to raise them in my absenteeism\u2014because I had an eight-hour a day job and I\u2019d do a good 20 hours a week, at least, in ministry\u2014in different forms\u2014at the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in charge of this, I was the head of that, I was the assistant Sunday school superintendant\u2014you know\u2014and so-and-so-forth. It kind of robbed our family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I really learned\u2014through programs like yours, and also from <em>Focus on the Family<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and through various other ministers I came across\u2014by the time I had a working understanding of what it meant to be a father, my kids were teenagers. It was too late to go back and do a lot of the stuff that needed to be done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, I raised them in church. They came to church every Sunday\u2014they were always in church: \u201cOur family\u2019s always in church.\u201d But they needed a dad\u2014they needed me to interact with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You said you grew up in a home where you had an abusive, violent alcoholic father. What was your image of a man, at that point?\u2014not only you didn\u2019t have a positive image\u2014but what did it look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well, my dad was my hero when I was a little boy. It\u2019s kind of hard to describe, but I was my dad\u2019s favorite. Everybody kind of knew it. We had my older brother and two younger sisters. My mom was absolutely wonderful. She did a wonderful job of trying to keep our household in order and keep things nice for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a wonderful wife and mother, as I look back. I\u2019d say she did a great job, especially considering the circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad didn\u2019t really start drinking heavily until I was about ten or eleven years old. So, in my early childhood years, my dad was the coach of our Little League baseball team and things like that. He was my hero. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I was between fifth and sixth grade, he began to drink pretty heavily. It would cause him to become violent\u2014like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde experience. Life became very chaotic and what have you. My view of manhood became skewed, as you can imagine. I became very confused because I wasn\u2019t sure. I was loyal to my dad\u2014my dad was the greatest thing in the world\u2014but, at the same time, he was doing a lot of really bad stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I became 16\u2014when I was growing up, I had a 3.5 grade point average. I was doing great in school and everything else; but by the time I was toward the end of tenth grade, I began to drop off and use drugs and all kinds of stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got out of my dad\u2019s house and joined the Air Force\u2014moved out to California with the Air Force\u2014and far away from where my parents were and everything. Now, I was an adult, on my own, in the world. I was in the Air Force\u2014about two years in\u2014that\u2019s when I found Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord transformed my life completely. It was an overnight, almost, experience. I instantly stopped doing drugs\u2014instantly left all that behind. I knew that now that I was a Christian, it was about Jesus Christ. I just fell in love with Him. That part has continued all the way to this day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I didn\u2019t really have a lot of the building blocks of what it takes to be a dad\u2014to be the kind of husband I needed to be\u2014to be the kind of dad I needed to be. Unfortunately, the church I went to didn\u2019t really teach it like it needed to be taught. Unfortunately, I know a lot of good churches do, but the one I was going to really kind of didn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, when it dawned on you \/ when you had this epiphany that you had not been the dad you should have been, what\u2019d you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I got angry. I got really angry. I spent a few years being extremely angry. By that time, I had become a state chaplain, in California. It really angered me that I had missed out on\u2014because I knew, by then, the power that was in my hands to help mold and shape my kids, and what could have been. By this time, I\u2019m watching the results of how it shouldn\u2019t have gone and what happens when you don\u2019t do it the way God has designed it to be done. Not that any father is perfect\u2014I didn\u2019t ever imagine that I would have been a perfect father in any circumstances\u2014but I know there\u2019s a number of things I could have done a lot better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing that really frustrated me was when I learned that every little boy in the world has one question on his mind that he looks primarily for dad to answer. That question is: \u201cDo I have what it takes?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI believe that God has designed for his dad, above all other people on the planet, to say: \u201cYou have it. You\u2019re the best ballplayer I\u2019ve ever seen,\u201d or, \u201cYou did a good job on that test. You have what it takes.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m going to give you a rite of passage. I want you to come from this level up to this level now because I\u2019m the authority figure in your life, and you have what it takes. Come on up here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen dad gives that rite of passage to his son, the son turns around and gives back something to his father. He gives his father loyalty. His father becomes his hero. His father becomes\u2014he worships his father, whom he respects. I believe that God has designed for father and son and father and daughter relationships really to be, in many respects, like that. I know there\u2019s none that are perfect; but in many respects, that\u2019s a dynamic that I realize I could have had a lot more of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I began to notice\u2014in the lives of the young men that were incarcerated at my facility\u2014what was happening in their lives as a result of what they didn\u2019t get when they were kids. I realized that a big part of what I could be doing, as a chaplain\u2014where I\u2019m in a unique position to bring discipleship into these young men\u2019s lives\u2014and they are at that age where they are going to get out, and they are going to get married\u2014they are going to bring children into the world\u2014if they haven\u2019t done it already. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBasically, they\u2019re at that pivotal period between 18, and 22, or 23, where they\u2019re pivoting from mostly child to mostly man. There\u2019s a window of time there where they\u2019re kind of open to receive a new idea of where their life is headed, as an adult, because their childhood is behind them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in a unique place to kind of help guide them where they need to go. The inmates\u2019 lives\u2014if I can segue that direction\u2014with the inmates\u2019 lives\u2014what had happened with them\u2014the average inmate didn\u2019t have a dad, at all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSeventy-five percent did not have a dad. Another twenty percent\u2014there was a man in the house\u2014but he was a workaholic, or he was an alcoholic, or he was a drug addict, or he was a gang member. Only about five per cent of all male inmates in this country had a dad that was interested, and engaged, and emotionally attached to his son\u2014<em>huge<\/em> gap. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen a young man doesn\u2019t have a dad, or if his dad is detached from him or, for that matter, abusive, the young man typically thinks he\u2019s the problem\u2014he\u2019s done something wrong\u2014but at the same time, he has this yearning for that approval. He has that yearning for somebody to tell him he has what it takes. He thirsts for that. He doesn\u2019t realize it, but he starts searching for someone to tell him that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, eventually\u2014if it\u2019s not a Sunday school teacher, if it\u2019s not a football coach, if it\u2019s not somebody that has their head screwed on kind of straight\u2014he will find somebody down on the street corner that\u2019s selling drugs, or he will find a gang that will take him in \/ put their arm around him, show him how to shoot a gun and make him feel important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, at that point, he\u2019s so thirsty for acceptance until it doesn\u2019t really matter so much whether this is moral, or right, or wrong. It\u2019s more an issue of \u201cI <em>need<\/em> to be accepted somewhere.\u201d There\u2019s a yearning inside him that has not been fulfilled. So, he becomes part of this anti-culture and becomes one with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, tell us how you first heard about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and when you thought, \u201cThat might work for what these guys in prison need.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>What had happened\u2014I left California and came to Arkansas. In California\u2014there\u2019s a lot of issues where they had to close my prison down because they were out of finances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How many prisoners had been in that prison?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>At the hey-day, back in 2005, there were about 2,000 inmates there at one time. As it dwindled down\u2014they were getting ready to close it\u2014it got down to about 400 over time. But there have been literally thousands of prisoners that have come in and out of that prison over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Most of them under the age of 25.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>All of them were\u2014yes. This is what, back then, they called a juvenile justice facility in California. They would take young men, who\u2019d committed a crime at 15 years old, per se\u2014and the judge would say: \u201cYou know, even though you\u2019ve committed a felony\u2014an adult-style of crime\u2014you\u2019re too young for us to put you directly in the adult prison. We\u2019re going to put you in a juvenile justice facility.\u201d That\u2019s how California does. By the time they were 18, they would come to my prison. That\u2019s when I would start dealing with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Wow. You became a father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to the fatherless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So you came to Arkansas, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Came to Arkansas three years ago and wound up down at Cummins Prison. I was working under the oversight of the very same chaplain that I used to work under the oversight of out in California.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe had retired from California\u2014came to Arkansas and was working at Cummins. When I lost my position out in California, he was telling me they had positions here in Arkansas. So, I came to continue what I did. My kids were adults by then; so my wife and I came here. Cummins looked, to me, like almost 50 percent were lifers\u2014no chance of parole.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What an opportunity for ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Absolutely; absolutely. It\u2019s a nuts-and-bolts ministry. It really is. When you counsel men like that, it is interesting to see how much hope they had developed, even in the absence of the opportunity to go out in the street.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Interesting you should mention that because the prison where we did <em>Stepping Up<\/em> is actually the graduation you did it. We just came for the icing on the cake at the end. As those men stood in front of a microphone and shared the impact it had had on their lives, it hit me how much man was made to have hope in his heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking, \u201cHow could you have hope, being locked up?\u201d The answer is: \u201cIf you\u2019re in touch with who God is, and what He has for your life\u201d\u2014and I don\u2019t want to rush ahead and tell the rest of the story because it really is a fantastic story of what took place at Wrightsville Prison. I\u2019ll just give you a little sneak peek. They had almost a third of the entire prison interested in going through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well-said. That\u2019s correct. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You have to hear the rest of the story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and I\u2019ll tell you what you have to do. You have to go to FamilyLifeToday.com and see the video because there is a ten-minute video that shows you the graduation ceremony that took place at Wrightsville Prison. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and watch what happened at the end of the ten-week <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series because some of those guys who shared that night\u2014I mean\u2014it was powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Again, go to FamilyLifetoday.com. Click where it says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The video\u2019s available for you right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how you could get involved in getting <em>Stepping Up<\/em> in a local prison or a state prison in the state you live in, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s information available there about how to connect with the local prison chaplain and how you can help make that happen\u2014get the resources into the local prison.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr if you\u2019d like to take a group of guys you know through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> material, again, get more information when you go FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link at the top of the page that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d Or if you have questions, call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014when you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, this is a part of what you\u2019re helping to support\u2014having these kinds of resources available so they can be used in settings like the Wrightsville Prison. We appreciate those of you who partner with us in this ministry and help make this kind of ministry happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can make a donation, online, today at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the page that says, \u201cI Care,\u201d and make an online donation. Enable us to take these resources to more prisons \/ more prisoners, all across the country, as well as the rest of the work that FamilyLife is doing. You can also make a donation when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY; or you can make a donation when you write to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith any donation today, we\u2019d like to send along, as a thank-you, a CD of a message that Dennis Rainey gave at an <em>I Still Do<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> event, a number of years back, about the importance of permanence in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat CD is our gift to say: \u201cThank you for partnering with us and helping make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> what it is. We appreciate you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk more with Bruce Cunningham and find out about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> study that took place at the Wrightsville Prison earlier this year. Again, the video of the graduation is online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d when you go to our website if you\u2019d like to watch the video.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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I would say, for every inmate inside the prison, there are dozens of people out on the street that are very much just like them; but they have the same mentality, the same emotional makeup, the same kind of relationships, and things of that nature.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, July 21<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk to Bruce Cunningham today about how he is encouraging men in prison to learn how to step up. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Monday edition. Does this happen to you?\u2014I find myself these days\u2014I\u2019m watching sporting events and the press conferences afterwards and all of this. I\u2019ll hear a player or a coach say, \u201cYes, So-and-so really stepped up. He was really stepping up!\u201d I just think, \u201cThey must have been reading Dennis\u2019s book.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I heard it before the book came out. So, I have to say I probably stole it from them in the first place. [Laughter] You know, we are going to talk about men stepping up\u2014but maybe a different kind of men. We have a guy who has really given birth to an interesting idea\u2014it is the idea of men stepping up in prison. Now, that\u2019s an interesting idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bob, you helped create the video series, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>: <em>A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. 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I was always very interested in expounding the gospel and getting the gospel into people\u2019s lives. I could see the desperate need in the lives of these men that are inside the prison. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs I developed a friendship with the chaplain, he would allow me to come and preach. He would have me counsel the inmates. He would have me perform baptisms for him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got involved in prison ministry just because of the fact that I worked at a prison, and I saw the need, and had a heart for ministry anyway. What ended up happening, as a process of time, he retired from California and, ironically, he moved to Arkansas. The position came open. At that particular point in my life, I had the credentials necessary. With a lot of help from the bishop that was overseeing our organization out in California, I was able to apply for and get the position as chaplain. My wife and I talked about it \/ prayed about it a great deal\u2014and really kind of decided, \u201cThis is a move that I need to make in my life because I love ministry more than I love warehousing and inventory control.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You were talking more about preaching and about baptizing these guys than about how the inventory was working; huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Indeed. The chaplain that was there would actually send inmates to my office in the warehouse so I could counsel them, from time to time, because he had a big counseling load. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just fell in love with it. I thought, \u201cWow, what a great gig!\u201d You know, \u201cI get to preach, I get to pray, I get to study the Word of God, I get to disciple young men as they grow in the Lord and everything, and I get paid to do it!\u201d At the time, my wife and I, like you said, we have six children. I had more than I could handle at home as well as at work. I thought, \u201cWell, if I can combine these and be a minister for a living, that\u2019s going to work for me.\u201d The Lord made it happen, to my surprise, because I really felt unqualified in a lot of ways.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What\u2019s the biggest misconception you\u2019ve found that people outside a penitentiary or prison have about prisoners?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>They tend to think of them as throw-away people. They tend to think of them as people who are inherently evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you think about a prisoner, you think about a criminal \/ you think about a felon. Typically, people think of them as, I don\u2019t know, some kind of way genetically-altered to where they\u2019re not normal people. But the truth is\u2014they\u2019re very normal people. I would say, for every inmate inside the prison, there are dozens of people out in the street that are very much just like them\u2014but they just haven\u2019t either gotten caught for something yet, or they haven\u2019t made some of the same decisions\u2014but they have the same mentality, the same emotional makeup, the same kind of relationships, and things of that nature. That would probably be the biggest misconception I\u2019ve noticed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I have to tell you a story. Of course, you\u2019ve heard it because you invited me to come to the prison, here in Arkansas, where you\u2019re the chaplain. I\u2019d never been in a prison before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019d done some things I could have gone to jail for, and I told those prisoners that. I said: \u201cI don\u2019t know you and what you\u2019ve done, and you don\u2019t know me and what I\u2019ve done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u201cBut I can just tell you, I\u2019m not holding any stones to throw at you. It\u2019s a privilege to be able to come and share what Christ has done in my life with you.\u201d I said, \u201cI made a phone call to a guy in prison ministry. I said, \u2018Tell me what I need to know because I\u2019ve never been in a prison!\u2019\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what he did? He did exactly what you just did\u2014he described them\u2014except that he used a word that was even worse than a throw-away. I was not ready for this word. He said, \u201cPrisoners are the lepers of society.\u201d In other words, it\u2019s even a notch below throw-away\u2014they\u2019re diseased\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014you wouldn\u2019t want to go near. He said, \u201cEvery young man \/ every man that you meet in that prison really needs you, as a man, to engage with him, as a man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And you know what I did? I went there\u2014and had I not had this conversation, I would not have done this because, when I walked into the prison\u2014Wrightsville State Penitentiary\u2014when I walked in there, I felt it. I felt kind of like a magnetic push away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I had, as an act of my will, to move up and into conversations with those men, and shake their hands\u2014later on, hug them \/ embrace them\u2014look them in the eye \/ tell them I was proud of them\u2014we\u2019ll get to that story a little bit later. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. We should jump back and talk about why Dennis wound up behind bars\u2014at least, for one evening\u2014in the first place. All of that had to do with your awareness of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and a desire to see that used in the Wrightsville Prison.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir. Not sure how far back we should go because, in my case, my hunger, and thirst, and desire to see these men educated in what it means to be a man goes quite a ways back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How far back?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Back to the days when my children were toddlers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, it didn\u2019t go back to a prison\u2014it went back to your own life\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>\u2014went back to my own life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014your own struggle with being a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes, indeed. Yes, absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How so?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well, I met my wife in church. I became a Christian when I was 20 years old. The whole time I was growing up, I didn\u2019t go to church at all. My dad was a violent alcoholic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, when I got hold of Jesus Christ, I was excited about it. I was very glad to be on the right side of things, at this point. I\u2019m like: \u201cWow! I\u2019m on the winning team, finally!\u201d When you\u2019re the child of a violent alcoholic, life is pretty chaotic. I was glad to see some order in my life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tUnfortunately, the church that I came to Christ in was a rather self-centered kind of a church. A lot of the focus was on the building the church itself, not so much on building the family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the years, I developed a philosophy that simply says: \u201cIf the church builds the family, the family will build the church; but whenever the church tries to build the church, it robs from the family because it takes people who are dedicated to Christ and uses their dedication, even at the expense of the family.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s really unfortunate. You find people, like me, who become a ministerial-aholic\u2014where I was a workaholic. I was very involved in all sorts of forms of ministry in the church. My wife was struggling with our children at home\u2014trying to raise them in my absenteeism\u2014because I had an eight-hour a day job and I\u2019d do a good 20 hours a week, at least, in ministry\u2014in different forms\u2014at the church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in charge of this, I was the head of that, I was the assistant Sunday school superintendant\u2014you know\u2014and so-and-so-forth. It kind of robbed our family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I really learned\u2014through programs like yours, and also from <em>Focus on the Family<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, and through various other ministers I came across\u2014by the time I had a working understanding of what it meant to be a father, my kids were teenagers. It was too late to go back and do a lot of the stuff that needed to be done. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, I raised them in church. They came to church every Sunday\u2014they were always in church: \u201cOur family\u2019s always in church.\u201d But they needed a dad\u2014they needed me to interact with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You said you grew up in a home where you had an abusive, violent alcoholic father. What was your image of a man, at that point?\u2014not only you didn\u2019t have a positive image\u2014but what did it look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well, my dad was my hero when I was a little boy. It\u2019s kind of hard to describe, but I was my dad\u2019s favorite. Everybody kind of knew it. We had my older brother and two younger sisters. My mom was absolutely wonderful. She did a wonderful job of trying to keep our household in order and keep things nice for us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a wonderful wife and mother, as I look back. I\u2019d say she did a great job, especially considering the circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy dad didn\u2019t really start drinking heavily until I was about ten or eleven years old. So, in my early childhood years, my dad was the coach of our Little League baseball team and things like that. He was my hero. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when I was between fifth and sixth grade, he began to drink pretty heavily. It would cause him to become violent\u2014like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde experience. Life became very chaotic and what have you. My view of manhood became skewed, as you can imagine. I became very confused because I wasn\u2019t sure. I was loyal to my dad\u2014my dad was the greatest thing in the world\u2014but, at the same time, he was doing a lot of really bad stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the time I became 16\u2014when I was growing up, I had a 3.5 grade point average. I was doing great in school and everything else; but by the time I was toward the end of tenth grade, I began to drop off and use drugs and all kinds of stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI got out of my dad\u2019s house and joined the Air Force\u2014moved out to California with the Air Force\u2014and far away from where my parents were and everything. Now, I was an adult, on my own, in the world. I was in the Air Force\u2014about two years in\u2014that\u2019s when I found Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Lord transformed my life completely. It was an overnight, almost, experience. I instantly stopped doing drugs\u2014instantly left all that behind. I knew that now that I was a Christian, it was about Jesus Christ. I just fell in love with Him. That part has continued all the way to this day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I didn\u2019t really have a lot of the building blocks of what it takes to be a dad\u2014to be the kind of husband I needed to be\u2014to be the kind of dad I needed to be. Unfortunately, the church I went to didn\u2019t really teach it like it needed to be taught. Unfortunately, I know a lot of good churches do, but the one I was going to really kind of didn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, when it dawned on you \/ when you had this epiphany that you had not been the dad you should have been, what\u2019d you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I got angry. I got really angry. I spent a few years being extremely angry. By that time, I had become a state chaplain, in California. It really angered me that I had missed out on\u2014because I knew, by then, the power that was in my hands to help mold and shape my kids, and what could have been. By this time, I\u2019m watching the results of how it shouldn\u2019t have gone and what happens when you don\u2019t do it the way God has designed it to be done. Not that any father is perfect\u2014I didn\u2019t ever imagine that I would have been a perfect father in any circumstances\u2014but I know there\u2019s a number of things I could have done a lot better. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne thing that really frustrated me was when I learned that every little boy in the world has one question on his mind that he looks primarily for dad to answer. That question is: \u201cDo I have what it takes?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI believe that God has designed for his dad, above all other people on the planet, to say: \u201cYou have it. You\u2019re the best ballplayer I\u2019ve ever seen,\u201d or, \u201cYou did a good job on that test. You have what it takes.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m going to give you a rite of passage. I want you to come from this level up to this level now because I\u2019m the authority figure in your life, and you have what it takes. Come on up here.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen dad gives that rite of passage to his son, the son turns around and gives back something to his father. He gives his father loyalty. His father becomes his hero. His father becomes\u2014he worships his father, whom he respects. I believe that God has designed for father and son and father and daughter relationships really to be, in many respects, like that. I know there\u2019s none that are perfect; but in many respects, that\u2019s a dynamic that I realize I could have had a lot more of. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I began to notice\u2014in the lives of the young men that were incarcerated at my facility\u2014what was happening in their lives as a result of what they didn\u2019t get when they were kids. I realized that a big part of what I could be doing, as a chaplain\u2014where I\u2019m in a unique position to bring discipleship into these young men\u2019s lives\u2014and they are at that age where they are going to get out, and they are going to get married\u2014they are going to bring children into the world\u2014if they haven\u2019t done it already. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBasically, they\u2019re at that pivotal period between 18, and 22, or 23, where they\u2019re pivoting from mostly child to mostly man. There\u2019s a window of time there where they\u2019re kind of open to receive a new idea of where their life is headed, as an adult, because their childhood is behind them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was in a unique place to kind of help guide them where they need to go. The inmates\u2019 lives\u2014if I can segue that direction\u2014with the inmates\u2019 lives\u2014what had happened with them\u2014the average inmate didn\u2019t have a dad, at all. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSeventy-five percent did not have a dad. Another twenty percent\u2014there was a man in the house\u2014but he was a workaholic, or he was an alcoholic, or he was a drug addict, or he was a gang member. Only about five per cent of all male inmates in this country had a dad that was interested, and engaged, and emotionally attached to his son\u2014<em>huge<\/em> gap. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen a young man doesn\u2019t have a dad, or if his dad is detached from him or, for that matter, abusive, the young man typically thinks he\u2019s the problem\u2014he\u2019s done something wrong\u2014but at the same time, he has this yearning for that approval. He has that yearning for somebody to tell him he has what it takes. He thirsts for that. He doesn\u2019t realize it, but he starts searching for someone to tell him that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, eventually\u2014if it\u2019s not a Sunday school teacher, if it\u2019s not a football coach, if it\u2019s not somebody that has their head screwed on kind of straight\u2014he will find somebody down on the street corner that\u2019s selling drugs, or he will find a gang that will take him in \/ put their arm around him, show him how to shoot a gun and make him feel important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, at that point, he\u2019s so thirsty for acceptance until it doesn\u2019t really matter so much whether this is moral, or right, or wrong. It\u2019s more an issue of \u201cI <em>need<\/em> to be accepted somewhere.\u201d There\u2019s a yearning inside him that has not been fulfilled. So, he becomes part of this anti-culture and becomes one with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, tell us how you first heard about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and when you thought, \u201cThat might work for what these guys in prison need.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>What had happened\u2014I left California and came to Arkansas. In California\u2014there\u2019s a lot of issues where they had to close my prison down because they were out of finances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>How many prisoners had been in that prison?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>At the hey-day, back in 2005, there were about 2,000 inmates there at one time. As it dwindled down\u2014they were getting ready to close it\u2014it got down to about 400 over time. But there have been literally thousands of prisoners that have come in and out of that prison over the years.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Most of them under the age of 25.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>All of them were\u2014yes. This is what, back then, they called a juvenile justice facility in California. They would take young men, who\u2019d committed a crime at 15 years old, per se\u2014and the judge would say: \u201cYou know, even though you\u2019ve committed a felony\u2014an adult-style of crime\u2014you\u2019re too young for us to put you directly in the adult prison. We\u2019re going to put you in a juvenile justice facility.\u201d That\u2019s how California does. By the time they were 18, they would come to my prison. That\u2019s when I would start dealing with them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Wow. You became a father\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to the fatherless.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So you came to Arkansas, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Came to Arkansas three years ago and wound up down at Cummins Prison. I was working under the oversight of the very same chaplain that I used to work under the oversight of out in California.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe had retired from California\u2014came to Arkansas and was working at Cummins. When I lost my position out in California, he was telling me they had positions here in Arkansas. So, I came to continue what I did. My kids were adults by then; so my wife and I came here. Cummins looked, to me, like almost 50 percent were lifers\u2014no chance of parole.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What an opportunity for ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Absolutely; absolutely. It\u2019s a nuts-and-bolts ministry. It really is. When you counsel men like that, it is interesting to see how much hope they had developed, even in the absence of the opportunity to go out in the street.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Interesting you should mention that because the prison where we did <em>Stepping Up<\/em> is actually the graduation you did it. We just came for the icing on the cake at the end. As those men stood in front of a microphone and shared the impact it had had on their lives, it hit me how much man was made to have hope in his heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was thinking, \u201cHow could you have hope, being locked up?\u201d The answer is: \u201cIf you\u2019re in touch with who God is, and what He has for your life\u201d\u2014and I don\u2019t want to rush ahead and tell the rest of the story because it really is a fantastic story of what took place at Wrightsville Prison. I\u2019ll just give you a little sneak peek. They had almost a third of the entire prison interested in going through <em>Stepping Up<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Well-said. That\u2019s correct. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You have to hear the rest of the story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, and I\u2019ll tell you what you have to do. You have to go to FamilyLifeToday.com and see the video because there is a ten-minute video that shows you the graduation ceremony that took place at Wrightsville Prison. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and watch what happened at the end of the ten-week <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series because some of those guys who shared that night\u2014I mean\u2014it was powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce: <\/strong>Yes sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Again, go to FamilyLifetoday.com. Click where it says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d The video\u2019s available for you right there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how you could get involved in getting <em>Stepping Up<\/em> in a local prison or a state prison in the state you live in, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. There\u2019s information available there about how to connect with the local prison chaplain and how you can help make that happen\u2014get the resources into the local prison.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr if you\u2019d like to take a group of guys you know through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> material, again, get more information when you go FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link at the top of the page that says, \u201cGO DEEPER.\u201d Or if you have questions, call 1-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say\u2014when you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, this is a part of what you\u2019re helping to support\u2014having these kinds of resources available so they can be used in settings like the Wrightsville Prison. We appreciate those of you who partner with us in this ministry and help make this kind of ministry happen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can make a donation, online, today at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner of the page that says, \u201cI Care,\u201d and make an online donation. Enable us to take these resources to more prisons \/ more prisoners, all across the country, as well as the rest of the work that FamilyLife is doing. You can also make a donation when you call 1-800-FL-TODAY; or you can make a donation when you write to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR; and our zip code is 72223.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith any donation today, we\u2019d like to send along, as a thank-you, a CD of a message that Dennis Rainey gave at an <em>I Still Do<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> event, a number of years back, about the importance of permanence in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat CD is our gift to say: \u201cThank you for partnering with us and helping make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> what it is. We appreciate you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can join us back tomorrow. We\u2019re going to talk more with Bruce Cunningham and find out about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> study that took place at the Wrightsville Prison earlier this year. Again, the video of the graduation is online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d when you go to our website if you\u2019d like to watch the video.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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