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To be the spiritual leader of your home will give you worthiness and weightiness that\u2019s <em>greater <\/em>than you can ever experience in corporate America.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, July 18<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk today about finding the balance between work and home and about how we express our faith in corporate America. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You have had more than one occasion, I know, where you have sat with a businessman, who was very successful in the corporate world, and was somehow not able to transfer that success to his marriage and his family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, in some cases, some of those business leaders were more married to their jobs than they were to their spouses. We\u2019ve got a couple of business leaders who are, also, followers of Jesus Christ. Terence Chatmon and Bobby Mitchell join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Bobby, Terence, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Thanks. We\u2019re glad to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>Excited to be back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>They are both tied in with an outfit called the Fellowship of Companies for Christ International. They\u2019ve got ministries in over 83 countries around the world. How many folks in America are you guys touching?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many business leaders?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>You know, that\u2019s a challenging question because we\u2019re so viral; but we\u2019re probably touching\u2014in terms of\u2014thousands of business leaders and probably hundreds of thousands of employees, customers, and vendors. Our platform and our footprint is pretty large across\u2014not only the United States\u2014but also in 83 countries around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bobby, you\u2019ve been in business for more than four decades. You\u2019re the Chairman of the Board of Applied Ceramics. Let\u2019s go back to Bob\u2019s question that he mentioned about seeing business leaders who could lead companies to multimillion dollars of profits but couldn\u2019t lead at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I believe\u2014and I believe the FCCI believes\u2014that we have to minister to the whole person. So, one of the things that we want to do is involve the wife, the family, the employees into that life and leadership of the CEO.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy wife and several of the other ladies\u2014early-on when we started FCCI\u2014demanded that they\u2019d be involved in the major sessions. We started out\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, wait a second. They demanded?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>They did. Does your wife never demand?\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It was tongue-in-cheek\u2014trust me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I\u2019d like to hear you answer that question. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Of course, she has! Bobby\u2014but you\u2019re the Chairman of the Board. The point is\u2014you listened to your wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>We did. They wanted to be involved in the plenary sessions that we were in. They wanted to learn from the same material we learned. When I was coming out here, Dennis, I asked my wife\u2014I said, \u201cWhat are the great things that have happened to you as a result of FCCI?\u201d\u00a0 She said: \u201cRelationships. And I\u2019ve learned so much that I\u2019ve been able to apply in my family\u2014running this household.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cWow, two pretty great things!\u201d\u00a0 And it\u2019s\u2014where you get the biblical image of \u201ctwo become one flesh\u201d\u2014that\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you see the problem with America today, in my opinion, is compartmentalization. We go to church\u2014so we think we are Christian\u2014instead of saying, \u201cI\u2019m called to be a Christian 24\/7.\u201d\u00a0 And we\u2019re\u2014each of us is called to a role. And each of those roles is godly. So, we\u2019ve got to embrace the role that God\u2019s called us to. God called me to be a CEO of a business. He called my wife to be a housewife.\u00a0 Both of them are equally valuable in God\u2019s economy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You believe there are no second-class citizens, then, in what God calls us to do\u2014whether you are \u201cin business\u201d or whether you are \u201cin vocational Christian ministry.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Both need to be about what God has called them to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I don\u2019t relate to vocational Christian ministry. I relate to \u201cWe\u2019re Christians\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>\u2014and we\u2019re all called to minister.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Let me take you back to the early 70\u2019s, when you were starting in your career and you and your wife had been married for four or five years. Did you have figured out that prioritization in your own life\u2014about: \u201cHere is what I\u2019m doing what the company, and here is what I\u2019m doing for my marriage and my family\u201d?\u00a0 Were you keeping things in appropriate balance?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I really was not. That was a struggle that I\u2014it was about the 1974 timeframe when I recommitted my life to Christ, and I realized that what I said I believed didn\u2019t match what I\u2014the way I was living. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, what was going on at home before you recommitted your life to Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I was very geared on making money. I was going to make\u2014I worried about whether I could be the richest man in the world. I mean, you know, silly things like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was very focused, and I wasn\u2019t doing anything illegal that I know of. I was trying to raise some boys and spend time throwing balls in the yard or whatever; but I was very geared on building a business. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And why was that a problem\u2014I mean, if you were playing with the boys at home?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I guess I started to search whether I had integrity. Integrity comes from the word, integer, which means whole or whole number. I said, \u201cI don\u2019t measure up.\u201d\u00a0 And so, I said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to change my life.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started down this path that ultimately led to Applied Ceramics\u2014ultimately led to FCCI\u2014and has been rich\u2014I\u2019m not sure I\u2019m not the richest man in the world. [Laughter]\u00a0 I just\u2014my bank account doesn\u2019t necessarily show that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If we could back and talk to your wife in 1973 and say: \u201cTell me about your husband. How\u2019s he doing?\u201d what would she have said to us?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>She\u2019d say: \u201cHe\u2019s doing pretty good. He\u2019s\u2026\u201d\u2014she probably thought better of me than I did of me because I could see my heart. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Terence, we\u2019re talking with Bobby here about being the president and CEO\u2014Chairman of the Board of a major company. I really\u2014I\u2019ve got two questions. The first one is: \u201cDoes someone have to be a CEO to be a member of FCCI?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>We primarily focus on business leaders. So, they may be CEO\u2019s or executive leaders of a company; but it also spills over, in some cases, to department leaders, who have executive leadership over a particular area. For example, in Coca-Cola<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, we have over 300 people involved in FCCI that are not CEO\u2019s of Coca-Cola; but they are very influential within their respective departments. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s where I was going with my next question\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014is, undoubtedly, right now, we have a businesswoman or a businessman, who is listening to us, who may not be a CEO but maybe on an upward track \/ a fast track in a company; and they are doing well. They\u2019re getting all these temptations to\u2014well, maybe not lie\u2014but maybe just kind of bend it here or there trying to get to the objective. This would be a good organization to be a part of to sharpen, really, their lives in terms of what God expects out of them; wouldn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Terence: <\/strong>Absolutely. Let me just make a\u2014maybe take a step back, as well, because I\u2019ve got a little bit different experience than what Bobby shared. Yes, I was in corporate America. I was going through corporate America very successfully. In fact, at 37 years old, here I am managing two-thirds of the Coca-Cola Company; but no one had informed me that I could do what we\u2019re talking about here today. I was under the impression\u2014and the teaching at that time was that you had to leave business in order to become a priest in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, some of that, I think, is just education and understanding that your business can be used as a platform for ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo back to the other question. Not only do we want to reach the leaders that are coming through corporate America, but we also want to reach the next generation leaders of tomorrow. One of the goals that we have is to train a million next-gen students who are now currently in college\u2014freshman, sophomores, and juniors. We want to begin to teach them, from a very early stage, that you can be in business and also do it in a way that glorifies God. So, we are reaching back into another generation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Bobby, your company is a green company. You\u2019re working on environmental issues that keep our world cleaner because you are working in countries all around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my pet soap boxes\u2014that I wish there were more CEO\u2019s \/ chairmen of the board that were taking responsibility for our advertising dollars\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014for what\u2019s being spent today on TV \/ on the internet by major companies, and for that matter, smaller companies too\u2014who are sponsoring things that, from an environmental standpoint\u2014moral and spiritual environment\u2014are destroying the fiber and the conscience of our country. Do you agree with me?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>I do. And I think we\u2019re in an age of technology, Dennis, that helps us address that. Any venture we\u2019ve done\u2014we\u2019ve done them with General Motors<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, with Dow Chemical, with Hitachi<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Hyundai<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, MeadWestvaco\u2014any of those\u2014I\u2019ve always started off with this thought of our vision statement, which says, \u201cTo be a world-class technology and manufacturing company that operates on biblical principles and glorifies Jesus Christ in the marketplace.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve read that to the European Union. I\u2019ve read it to major companies, all over this world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say: \u201cThat\u2019s who we are\u2014if you don\u2019t want to deal with us, that is fine; but that is what we\u2019re going to do. So, you are accepting this if we\u2019re going to deal.\u201d\u00a0 We have tried to, in everything we do, honor the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd on our website\u2014if you went onto our website, you would see testimonies. You would see our logo\u2014that has a godly principle in the middle of it. You\u2019d see that we have ways to lead people to Christ on our logo with our information\u2014and that we get thousands of hits a year on those various sites. People come to know the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the advertising piece is a critical piece. We\u2019ve got to have Christians stand up and be bold for the Lord. We have a country that is in distress right now, and we need to stand up and return to godly principles. We can do that by advertising and being bold to share that with all the people that come in contact with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And the men and women who are on the boards of companies around the country\u2014 who have choices of where to spend their advertising dollars\u2014need to speak up out of some of the things they heard in Sunday school when they were a boy or a girl, growing up, and what they learned about decency, and morality, and goodness, and wholesomeness for our country and not let companies sponsor matters that are taking our young people in the wrong direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Terence, let me ask you about this idea that a business owner can be a secular priest\u2014a priest in the marketplace. You were talking about thinking that you would have to leave to go be a minister and then you realized you can minister from whatever platform you find yourself in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of a guy who runs a car repair shop, or a guy who has a manufacturing business, or maybe he\u2019s got a restaurant\u2014whatever his business is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014he thinks: \u201cA minister in the marketplace. What does that even look like?\u00a0 Does that mean I put Bible verses on my tray liners in my restaurant or what?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>You know, the average business will touch about a thousand people in a given year. I mean, if you think about it, it goes beyond your staff. It goes beyond your employees. It really reaches into your vendors, your customers, et cetera. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when I owned my own business, I had responsibility for individuals and their lives. In reality, we\u2019re in the souls business. And it\u2014and going back to some of the questions\u2014everyone within that organization has intrinsic value. The way we look at it is that: \u201cWe\u2019re in the people business. We\u2019re in the relationship business. And we\u2019re approaching it that way. We just happen to be selling products or services, et cetera.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe look at every individual as a relationship that needs to be cultivated and nurtured. And what better way to do than to show the love of Jesus Christ?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014by the way we think about business, by the way we do business, et cetera. People will catch that. Once they catch it, they will be attracted to that versus what we say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There are some chairmen of the board of some lemonade stands and some\u2014I don\u2019t know\u2014they\u2019re maybe selling rabbits in their neighborhood\u2014eggs. I have no idea; but there are a bunch of moms, listening to our broadcast right now, who are on the board of those lemonade stands\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re talking about training the next generation; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m talking about training the next generation. I want to give both of you guys the soap box for a moment and say, \u201cWhat would you challenge moms to be doing?\u201d\u2014and for that matter, let\u2019s throw dads in there, too, because they need to be training their sons and daughters, as well\u2014\u201cWhat would you challenge them to do as they think about how they\u2019re training the next generation of workers and business leaders to reach their generation for Christ?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>Well, by myself, I\u2019m going to jump in here really quickly because I\u2019m actually an example of this. When I was in corporate America, and even leading my own business, I was very successful in business. There was a common time when you achieve your most wondrous dreams and desires, but it falls short of really what satisfies you and what makes you whole. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou see, I was succeeding in the business world, but I was failing as the spiritual leader in my home. And it is something magical\u2014I can\u2019t explain it to you\u2014that happens when a father comes to be the spiritual leader of the home. The wife doesn\u2019t want that responsibility in the first place; but she takes it on because she has to because the father\u2019s absent in that role. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I began to take that role on. I would really advocate\u2014it\u2019s particularly for the fathers out here, especially in the business place\u2014that the business will give you worthiness and weightiness from a temporal, worldly perspective; but to be the spiritual leader of your home will give you worthiness and weightiness that\u2019s <em>greater<\/em> than you can ever experience in corporate America.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Generationally, it\u2019s going to outlive you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>That\u2019s great. I endorse all of that. I would say that\u2014among other things, I decided that I would give up the things in my life that were interfering with either my business, my ministry, or my family. I was a scratch golfer, coming out of high school. I stopped playing golf because I didn\u2019t have the time to commit to do that, but I did coach Little League baseball for 19 years. [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to go back and add one little thing that we skipped over\u2014and that is that a company, that\u2019s being run for Christ, is not necessarily better than a non-Christian company; but it is different than a non-Christian company. And by that, we\u2019re talking about the bottom line. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe bottom line for a secular company is clearly profit \/ shareholder value. The bottom line for us\u2014we\u2019ve got to have profits and shareholder value; but in addition, we\u2019ve got to be fruitful: \u201cDid we lead people to the Lord this year?\u00a0 How many?\u00a0 Have we got a program to do that?\u00a0 If we led them to the Lord, did we help raise them up in the way they should go\u2014sanctification?\u00a0 And did we reach out to our community and just be a good citizen, and be a model, and a witness?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think we have to go back and say that we\u2019re going to be 24\/7 all about walking with the Lord\u2014modeling for the Lord, pointing to the Lord, training up in the ways of the Lord, et cetera. So, that\u2019s what we are all about. It impacts\u2014literally, I believe a company of a hundred people touches ten thousand people\u2014would be my number. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got a business in China. We use a material called <em>Character First <\/em>in that company. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat sets forth biblical character qualities in a magazine. It\u2019s handed out to all the members of the company. They are told to take it home and teach their families about it. And so, those are just a few ways that we need to be about the training up of the body. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, Bobby, I\u2019ve got another way for you to train those folks in China. We have a resource we\u2019ve created in the last couple of years called <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>. We raised the money to have it subtitled or translated into Mandarin; okay?\u00a0 And it\u2019s called <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em>. It\u2019s got a manual with it. It\u2019s got DVDs that you can show. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in six hours, we can provide a biblically-based training for all of your employees\u2014all those workers in your factories in China\u2014and equip them to know what a Christian marriage and family looks like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, you just walked into a challenge here\u2014right here on radio. [Laughter] I mean, this is\u2014first of all, you are doing\u2014by virtue of what you\u2019ve already done\u2014you\u2019re doing what I think has to happen all across the country\u2014where business leaders, like you, whether they are at the top of the organization or embedded in the organization need to take a stand for Jesus Christ\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014and use their position of leadership, influence, stewardship\u2014however you\u2019d like to describe it\u2014and use it for God\u2019s purposes. So, I really believe in what FCCI represents and what you are trying to do with business leaders. I look forward to getting a report back from you soon\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014because we\u2019ve got business leaders, here in America, who are taking their employees\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014through <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em>. They are hosting events for their company. They\u2019re not making it mandatory, but they\u2019re inviting them to come. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are some great stories of people who are coming to faith in Christ as a result of going through <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Now, we\u2019re going to have guests who are going to say, \u201cI\u2019m not coming on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> because Dennis gives me homework assignments\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cif I go on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014you know what?\u00a0 If they don\u2019t want to come because of that, then, they don\u2019t need to be a guest on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>We actually have good news for Dennis today. We\u2019re actually, as a board, going to go through <em>Art of Marriage<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Give me a fist pump\u2014give me a fist pump!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Terence: <\/strong>We\u2019re embracing it. In fact, let me give you a God-story here around this. A good friend of yours in Connecticut, Drew Crandall, has offered this course\u2014<em>Art of Marriage<\/em>\u2014to his employees and is making a <em>major<\/em> impact on his business, on his staff, and their home life. And, as you know\u2014as we used to say, \u201cA happy home also makes a productive workplace.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, it does. As you were talking about it, I was thinking about another couple, who I think they\u2019re involved in FCCI, as well\u2014Eugene and Donna Chrinian, who run Ashley\u2019s Furniture stores up in the New Jersey area. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s doing the same thing in his community and also ministering to his employees. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think this is what we\u2019re talking about here\u2014if you\u2019re listening to us, find a way to get in the game because this is the right game to be in\u2014and it\u2019s the right time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bobby: <\/strong>Amen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014for our country to be engaged in it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob: <\/strong>And once again, I want to recommend, to our listeners, if they go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014because we\u2019ve got a link there to the website for FCCI, the Fellowship of Companies for Christ International. We\u2019ve got copies of the book, <em>A Walk in the Market<\/em>, written by our guests today, Bobby Mitchell and Terence Chatmon. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link that says, \u201cGO DEEPER,\u201d at the top of the page. You\u2019ll find the link for FCCI and information about how to order a copy of the book, <em>A Walk in the Market<\/em>. The website\u2014FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014or if it\u2019s easier, call 1-800-FL-TODAY\u20141-800-358-6329. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, some of our listeners are business owners, as well. I remember, Dennis, you telling me a story once about somebody who called us and said, \u201cGod had really led them to want to support the work that FamilyLife was doing.\u201d\u00a0 They decided that they were going to step out, and they were going to donate their profits from their business for one month out of the year to FamilyLife. They later confessed to us that they picked the month of the year that was always their slowest month. As it turned out, that particular month, God really blessed their business. It wound up being their biggest month of the year. They thought about switching months [Laughter]\u2014you remember this story; right?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They thought about switching months; but they decided, \u201cNo, we\u2019re going to stick with it.\u201d They mailed us a check to help support what we\u2019re doing to keep <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on their local radio station and to help with all that we do here, as a ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe truth is\u2014we couldn\u2019t do all that we\u2019re doing if it weren\u2019t for folks, like that, who support us\u2014and if it weren\u2019t for families, or couples, or individuals who will either make an occasional donation or who become Legacy Partners and support us each month. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like to make a donation today and help support the work we\u2019re doing, you can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the link in the upper right-hand corner that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d and make an online donation. When you do that, check that you\u2019d like to receive a CD from Dennis Rainey\u2014a message he gave on permanence in marriage and why it\u2019s important. You can also make a donation by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY. If you do that, be sure to request the CD from Dennis. Or request the CD when you mail a donation to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. And our zip code is 72223. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019ll tell you the story of a group of guys who recently went through FamilyLife\u2019s <em>Stepping Up<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> video series for men. This was an unusual group of guys\u2014about a hundred of them\u2014all of them doing time in a state prison. We\u2019ll tell you the story about <em>Stepping Up<\/em> going behind bars on Monday. Hope you can tune in for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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