{"id":303021,"date":"2014-04-18T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-04-18T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/adoption-calling-and-concerns\/"},"modified":"2014-04-18T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-04-18T15:00:00","slug":"adoption-calling-and-concerns","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/adoption-calling-and-concerns\/","title":{"rendered":"Adoption:  Calling and Concerns"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Johnny Carr talks about some of the challenges that can take place in the adoption system. 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More importantly, Johnny talks about the plight of orphans around the world.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-04-18.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>If a man\u2019s going to assume the responsibilities of spiritual leadership, one of the issues he\u2019s going to have to ask himself is, \u201cWhat is my response and what is our family\u2019s response to the needs of orphans?\u201d Here\u2019s Johnny Carr.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Adoption is certainly a spiritual issue. We can certainly tie in the theology of adoption to physical adoption because we can go to just simply caring for orphans. Most of us, as conservative evangelicals, we hold the Bible up and we say: \u201cWell, men are supposed to be the head of the household. Men are supposed to take the lead in spiritual issues. So, if an issue needs to be adopted, why in the world, men, are we <em>not<\/em> leading the discussion when it comes to caring for orphans?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, [April] 18<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. The message of Good Friday is that God gave His Son to rescue spiritual orphans. What is our response to the orphan crisis in our world today? We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, over the last decade, there has been something of an awakening, I think, among Christians, around the world\u2014an awakening to the issue of the needs of orphans. Adoption has been more on the forefront\u2014the needs of kids in foster care has risen in awareness\u2014with that, we\u2019ve seen some critiques start to come about\u2014you\u2019ve seen the articles and the books that have come out that have said, \u201cOh, we\u2019re buying babies from other countries,\u201d or, \u201cWe\u2019re setting up an orphan industry in third-world countries.\u201d Are you concerned about that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s not that there can\u2019t be an abuse because, wherever humans go, there can be abuse; but overall, within the evangelical Christian community, where this orphan movement is taking place\u2014overwhelmingly, there is a positive movement to address the needs of orphans, globally\u2014in many cases, help orphanages adopt some of those children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlso, here in America, the foster care system\u2014there are some churches trying to completely empty the foster care system in their state.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>There\u2019s a huge need for the Christian community to step up and go near the orphan. Johnny Carr joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Johnny has written a book called <em>Orphan Justice: How to Care for Orphans Beyond Adopting<\/em>. Johnny\u2014welcome back to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Oh, thank you. It\u2019s a pleasure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Johnny works for a ministry called Help One Now. He is Vice President of Strategic Partnerships. He and his wife have five children, three of whom are adopted. I\u2019m just curious\u2014you\u2019ve heard the critique I\u2019m talking about\u2014where people are saying, \u201cThis is an issue.\u201d Are there third-world countries, where people are saying: \u201cWe have a new racket. If we can just turn out babies, we can make some money\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>I wouldn\u2019t say there are countries\u2014I would say there are some evil people that would like to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOf course, we\u2019re talking about the most vulnerable of the most vulnerable\u2014when we\u2019re talking about orphaned children\u2014that have no family, that have no standing in community, that have nothing. Certainly, there are those who are out there trying to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well\u2014human trafficking, as an illustration, is the ultimate of evil, in my opinion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Absolutely. This is another form of that\u2014when that happens, of course\u2014but that\u2019s why we have rules and regulations. For\u2014let me say this\u2014since I worked for an adoption agency for six years\u2014that\u2019s why adoption is expensive, too, because a lot of that money goes to trying to make sure that (a) the families who are wanting to adopt are safe and good families; and then, on the other end, to make sure that due diligence has been done to make sure that these children are truly orphaned children that need to be adopted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere\u2019s a <em>lot <\/em>of work that happens on both ends of those things, and I\u2019ve been on both ends of those things. I\u2019ve been in hours, and hours, and hours of meetings where these types of things were discussed. We talked about the heart issues and, really, took it head-on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You have already shared with us, this week, about your wife\u2019s desire that you would be adoptive parents\u2014her skill as a signer and working with deaf children. You adopted a son from China, who was four years old. He was deaf\u2014his name is James. Before you went to China, the adoption story got a little broader than just going over to get a little boy; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes. I remember the day Beth called me back to the computer room and said, \u201cHey, come and look at this sweet little picture.\u201d Back in the day\u2014this was really before blogs were really popular\u2014adoptive families, who are adopting internationally, were in these Yahoo groups. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn one of those, a family had taken an orphanage director out for dinner. Along with them, came this little girl. The lady said, \u201cI leaned down into her ear and whispered, \u2018Jesu ami,\u2019\u201d which is, \u201cJesus loves you.\u201d The interpreter said, \u201cOh, she can\u2019t hear you; she\u2019s deaf.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey posted a picture of her sitting down on the floor, with her tongue sticking out at the camera. Beth said, \u201cThat little girl needs a family.\u201d I said: \u201cWell, that\u2019s wonderful; but are you kidding me? We haven\u2019t even gone to adopt James yet, and you\u2019re already thinking about a second one.\u201d And this is before my conversion, if you will\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cinto all of this.\u201d So I\u2019m like a total arms-length, just thinking, \u201cYou are nuts, woman.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>We go to China. She was from the same province as James. When we went to adopt James, we met some missionaries, who are actually from Pensacola\u2014that were working in that province and working with orphans. That began a friendship. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSix months later, we went back, just to encourage them. We didn\u2019t really know what to do on a mission trip, but we just wanted to go and encourage them. They wanted to show us around. One of the places they took us, on that trip, was to her orphanage. We were waiting for our contact to come in. We were at the director\u2019s office. The translator said, \u201cOh, this is the lady who wants to adopt Xiaoli.\u201d I looked at her and went, \u201cExcuse me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found out\u2014she had been communicating with them, through these friends over there. I\u2019m like, \u201cAre you kidding?\u201d Well, the orphanage director took a file from his desk and handed it to me. It was actually her adoption file that he was putting together. He said: \u201cThis is her file that\u2019ll be going to the central authority in Beijing. From there, I have no idea where this file will go. It could go to any country in the world that does adoptions from China. Then, if it comes through the United States\u2026\u201d\u2014<em>if<\/em> it comes through the United States\u2014there were, at the time, over 150 agencies doing adoptions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we would have to find that specific agency with that file. This was like more than a needle in a haystack situation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Coming back from that trip, Beth started emailing agencies and just saying, \u201cIf you get this little girl, from this orphanage, that\u2019s deaf, please let us know.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Your wife is tenacious; isn\u2019t she?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes, she is. Yes. [Laughter] Eleven months later, we get a phone call one night. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had moved. Our email had changed. Our phone number had changed\u2014everything. This agency in Chattanooga had tracked us down through the internet and said, \u201cWe think we have the file on that little girl.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn May of 2007, we go back and adopt Xiaoli. So, she and James are now the same grade. She\u2019s profoundly deaf. James can hear a little, so he can talk a little bit; but Xiaoli is profoundly deaf. It\u2019s just been amazing to see how God has worked in both of their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>So, at that point, now your family\u2019s\u2014you have four kids, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>At that point, we had four. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And, were you thinking\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And his stiff arm is down. [Laughter] He surrendered! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What were you thinking? Were you thinking, \u201cWe\u2019re just going to become a dozen kids,\u201d or were you thinking, \u201cThis is all over\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>I really thought that was going to be it because, at that point, I had started working for Bethany. I was doing a lot of traveling. Beth just loves to work in the school system, and so\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Hold it, stop. Stop, stop; stop. This is the guy who had stiff-armed his wife\u2014he\u2019d been in a personal lockout situation with his wife because she\u2019s trying to get your attention around adoption. You\u2019re not working for Bethany Christian Services, one of the leading orphan-care advocates in the world\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And you thought it was all over?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>\u2014at a national level.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now, wait a second. [Laughter] How did you end up going to work for them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>It was on that trip to adopt Xiaoli that we knew God was calling us to do something different, but we weren\u2019t sure exactly what it was. We actually thought He might be calling us to be missionaries in China. We decided to use that trip because, at that\u2014and again, this is before really cell-phones were that popular\u2014so you were kind of just stuck in your hotel, with CNN International was the only English you got to hear\u2014and you\u2019re there for two weeks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we used that time to really pray. We got to the end of that trip\u2014and I\u2019ll never forget thinking, \u201cThis is not what God is calling us to do.\u201d Beth had the very same feelings. It was really odd because it was kind of the first time in our lives we\u2019ve felt like God was leading us to something. Then, at the very end, it was like, \u201cNo.\u201d But we <em>knew<\/em> it was something different\u2014we just didn\u2019t know what. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew this\u2014every time I would talk to one of my pastor friends and share my story\u2014share my burden with them\u2014they would say: \u201cCould you come to my church? I\u2019d love to see our church do something like that.\u201d I had become friends with Paul Pennington, here from Hope for Orphans, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019m sharing this story with Paul. A few weeks later, Paul called me back and said: \u201cYou\u2019re about to get a call from Bethany Christian Services because they\u2019re looking for a pastor who has adopted\u2014who has a heart to do this kind of work\u2014that can go, and engage the church, and really try to lead the church in doing orphan care and adoption ministries. I gave them your name. I told them your resume fits their job description perfectly.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSure enough, in August 2007, I went to work for Bethany as their first national director of church partnerships.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s a big switch from being on a local church staff\u2014being a pastor\u2014to move in this new direction. It doesn\u2019t sound like it\u2019s because you\u2019d gotten burned out in the local church or because you\u2019d lost any love for pastoring, but God was really stirring in your heart; wasn\u2019t He?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>He really was. It was something that we really couldn\u2019t get away from\u2014even to the point that we had started to put together a plan of\u2014because I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWho\u2019s going to pay me to travel around and talk to churches to do this?\u201d I mean, it just seemed crazy, at the time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were even thinking: \u201cYou know what? Come December 31<sup>st<\/sup>, if\u201d\u2014because this was in May, when we had adopted Xiaoli\u2014\u201cif something doesn\u2019t happen by then, we\u2019re going to put together a plan to start our own ministry\u2014try to get some fundraising and just, you know, do what Dennis Rainey did, years ago\u2014and do something crazy and start your own ministry.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLittle did I know that God was going to bring Bethany into the picture\u2014that is the largest adoption agency in the United States.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I just want to say a word on behalf of your choice to go do that. I really do think this is one of the pioneering areas in ministry where God is at work. Henry Blackaby talks about: \u201cJoin God in what He\u2019s doing\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014\u201cand be a part of what He\u2019s up to.\u201d This is one of the ministries where He\u2019s at work. If there are pastors listening to us, or moms and dads, husbands and wives\u2014even single people who have a passion to start an orphan care, or a foster care, or adoption ministry in their local church\u2014this is a great ministry because there are people that\u2019ll come out of the woodwork to help fuel and provide the leadership to drive this forward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>What did you learn in six years of traveling around to churches, and talking about this, and encouraging folks? What was your biggest takeaway?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>I haven\u2019t found any pastor that\u2019s against orphans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>You don\u2019t go in and have this conversation; and then, at the end, some pastor goes, \u201cYou know, I just can\u2019t see from the Bible, where we need to do this.\u201d I never, ever got that; and I don\u2019t think we ever will. But it was the lack of understanding of the reality, and it was the lack of understanding of what this can look like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You\u2019re talking about the need?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>The need itself: \u201cWhat is the reality of orphans?\u201d And that\u2019s what I came away from. When we first adopted James\u2014coming home from that trip\u2014it was: \u201cWhat does God\u2019s Word say, and what is the reality? What is \u2018\u2026in their distress\u2019 when James 1:27 says, \u2018\u2026in their affliction,\u2019 or, \u2018\u2026in their distress\u2019?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014to visit them, and go into the orphanage, as you did\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014as you mentioned, earlier, where you walk in and you see a couple dozen kids, sitting in like high chairs\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014where they don\u2019t leave all day\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014I mean, they\u2019re going to sit there. They\u2019re not connecting with other human beings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>That\u2019s it. And how many pastors know how many children there are, like that, in the world? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many pastors know how many kids are in the foster care system in their own county? How many of them know any of those statistics? And that was what I found\u2014because I certainly didn\u2019t. Before I went to China, I had no idea what these numbers were. I felt like I was a pretty common type pastor, you know. If I didn\u2019t know it, they probably didn\u2019t either. As I traveled around, that is <em>exactly<\/em> the response that I learned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Do you know the average church in America is a hundred people or less \/ maybe two hundred if you\u2019ve have a good group. You\u2019re thinking: \u201cOkay, we have the homeless issue. We have the hungry people in town. We have\u2026\u201d I mean, it can be overwhelming! How does a church make this a priority, or why should they make it a priority?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Well, they can make it a priority simply by preaching. The why is the preaching because it\u2019s simply of matter of Scripture\u2014and in doing so in such a way to say that this is not to pressure anyone into adopting\u2014that\u2019s the <em>last<\/em> thing we want to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>We never want to make guilt part of this, but we do want to expose what the Scripture says; and then again: \u201cWhat is the reality? What does that mean to us, here?\u201d Maybe for the small church of 75\u2014that\u2019s mainly senior adults\u2014that every year, on orphan Sunday week, or May, as Foster Care month\u2014they prepare a meal for the social workers in their area, and just go down and say: \u201cHey, here\u2019s lunch. We love you. We appreciate you. How can we be praying for you?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I want to tell you something\u2014I spoke at one of these lunches one time\u2014where half the audience were church members, and half the audience were social workers\u2014about 40 in each group \/ 80 total\u2014the courage that that gave those social workers, and the appreciation in what is a thankless job \/ a tough job of social workers, working in the foster care system. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is a set-up for a church\u2014this is a great ministry! It\u2019s evangelistic. It shows them what the love of God looks like in a family\u2014I mean, my daughter can tell you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe\u2019s now cared for 18 foster care kids. She\u2019s as busy as they get. She has five boys, ages 4 to 14. She\u2019s extremely busy, but she\u2019s caring for an infant right now. The needs of these children are real; and the church, I think, needs to step forward and deal with these needs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I want to go to the last child that you adopted. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Share with our listeners because that child came out of the foster care system.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>He did. I got an email one day. It was from the lady who had taken us through our foster care training. She said: \u201cGot a little boy here who\u2019s deaf. Would you be interested? He also has cerebral palsy. He\u2019s on a feeding tube. He\u2019s blind. He\u2019s\u2026\u201d She just listed all these disabilities. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>I\u2019m like: \u201cOh\u2014no way. There\u2019s no way\u2026\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And that sounds\u2014I mean, I understand exactly where you are\u2014it just sounds overwhelming. It sounds like: \u201cWe wouldn\u2019t have the margin to be able to give that boy what he needs\u201d; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Absolutely\u2014with Beth working, full-time, my travel schedule\u2014so, three weeks later, I get another email from her. It says, \u201cHave you thought any more about this little boy?\u201d She attached a picture of him. When I opened the picture, he was a two-year-old African-American boy, putting together a puzzle, smiling at the camera. I\u2019m thinking, \u201cIf he\u2019s putting a puzzle together, he\u2019s not blind.\u201d His hands don\u2019t look like he has cerebral palsy. I emailed her back and said, \u201cI think you\u2019ve given me the wrong picture here.\u201d You know: \u201cThis little boy doesn\u2019t fit the description you gave me before.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said: \u201cOh, actually, I gave you some erroneous information. He is deaf. He does have cerebral palsy, but it\u2019s just in his lower extremities. He is on a feeding tube\u2014but not like a tube through the throat\u2014but it\u2019s more of a G-tube in his stomach.\u201d J.J. was born at 25 weeks\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh. Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>\u2014weighed a pound and three ounces\u2014actually, had a twin who passed away at birth. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen God brought J.J. into our lives, my heart was softened. My mind was even\u2014I would say\u2014a lot more open. After we started doing our visits with J.J., we took it very slowly. We asked more questions than you could ever believe. Matter of fact, I even met with his medical doctor, who had been treating him since the day he was born. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget, I asked him two questions: \u201cWhat is he doing now that you never thought he would be doing?\u201d and, \u201cWhat is he <em>not<\/em> doing, that you thought he should be doing by now?\u201d He looked at me and said: \u201cI\u2019ll tell you what he\u2019s doing, and this will answer your question. He\u2019s alive\u2014that\u2019s it. I never thought he would be alive.\u201d Now, he said: \u201cIf you had come to me a year ago, I would say, \u2018Be very cautious.\u2019 Today, I\u2019m telling you, \u2018All this boy needs is love.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>So, J.J. joined our family, officially, in May of 2011.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014when we get to heaven, maybe God will give me the privilege of washing your feet\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2014you know\u2014you and Beth. I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Beth\u2019s\u2014not mine.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I really am humbled to hear of your story. I know our listeners are kind of going, \u201cYes, that\u2019s true sacrificial love.\u201d I think it\u2019s good to hear these stories today. We live in such an affluent country. It\u2019s not a matter of providing a high standard of living for a kid. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s a matter of providing the love of God, poured out in their hearts, and letting them sit and soak in it, and receive that love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>You know, that\u2019s interesting, Dennis, you say that. I was just talking with the international director at Bethany recently. I was asking him about the foster care program that we implemented in Ethiopia and how the children were doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd he said: \u201cJohnny, I just talked to this little boy, the other day. He\u2019s actually being fostered by a family who lives in a hut, and he said\u2014I asked him, \u2018Would you rather go back to live at the orphanage, where you have a nice bed, and walls, and even electricity?\u2019 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHe said, \u2018No, I would rather sleep on the dirt, and have the love of this family, than to sleep in that building and have electricity and a bed.\u2019\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, if our listeners didn\u2019t take a look at this earlier, they need to go online to FamilyLifeToday.com, and click on a link there that has \u201cHope for Orphans\u201d attached to it. It\u2019s a five-minute video, by a teenage girl, who came to a family, as a little girl, who was abandoned by her family. She\u2019s from Romania. You better get a couple of Kleenex<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>es because it\u2019s a powerful story of how the love of a family can make a difference in another human being\u2019s life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJohnny\u2014thanks for being on the broadcast. Thanks for your passion for orphans. I pray God\u2019s favor on you as you continue to partner with the church and challenge them\u2014each church\u2014to make a difference and go near the needs of orphans.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Johnny: <\/strong>Thank you, and thank you all for being a voice. You all have played a very important role in all this. I think you know that; but I want to say that publicly: \u201cThank you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Well, we appreciate that. Again, our listeners can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. In the upper left-hand corner of the page, you\u2019ll see a box that says, \u201cGo Deeper.\u201d That will take you to the link to the video from Hope for Orphans. There\u2019s information available there about the upcoming orphan summit in Chicago. Dennis and I are going to be there, at the summit. Johnny, I think you\u2019re going to be there, as well. We\u2019d like to invite as many of our listeners to join us for this two-day focus on how individuals and churches can care for the needs of orphans in our world today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, you\u2019ll find the link at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button in the upper left-hand corner that says \u201cGo Deeper.\u201d All the information you need is available there. There\u2019s also information about Johnny Carr\u2019s book, <em>Orphan Justice: How to Care for Orphans Beyond Adopting<\/em>. We have copies of that book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. You can order online. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cGo Deeper,\u201d in the upper left-hand corner of the page. Order from us, online; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY; 1-800-358-6329\u2014that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we are always grateful when we hear from listeners, who get in touch with us and share their thoughts about\u2014either things they hear on our program, articles they\u2019ve read on our website, FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014we\u2019re hearing more and more from podcast listeners, as well\u2014always great to hear from the folks who are regular <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listeners. 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