{"id":302973,"date":"2014-03-14T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-03-14T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime\/"},"modified":"2014-03-14T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-03-14T15:00:00","slug":"a-trip-of-a-lifetime","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime\/","title":{"rendered":"A Trip of a Lifetime"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Brad Mathias and his wife noticed their daughter pulling away.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2014-03-14.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.9M","filesize_raw":"24008737","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2822],"tags":[4299],"podcast_series":[8000],"cwp_profile":[9331],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302973","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-growing-in-your-faith","tag-faith","podcast_series-road-trip-to-redemption","cwp_profile-brad-mathias","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302973\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302973\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"V6Py6xI6oL\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime\/\">A Trip of a Lifetime<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-trip-of-a-lifetime\/embed\/#?secret=V6Py6xI6oL\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;A Trip of a Lifetime&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"V6Py6xI6oL\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll find out why Brad Mathias\u2019s daughter was crying and what he did about it on today\u2019s program. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, I think every parent, who has ever had a teenager, has looked across the table at your spouse and said: \u201cWhat do we do? In this moment, what do we do with the child thinking, acting, and behaving the way they\u2019re acting? What do we do?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know how many parents have ever answered the question, \u201cLet\u2019s pile in the car and go on a road trip.\u201d That seems like an unusual answer to me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, it seems like you would flee in the other direction. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cGrab the keys!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Barbara and I, at many points\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tyou know, many of our listeners support us in this ministry, financially. You help keep us on the air. By the way, if you do want to follow me on Twitter<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, it is @DennisRainey. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is this?\u2014just a shameless Twitter plug?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is! It is. Also, join me on my Facebook<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> page. Hit a \u201cLike\u201d on there and join me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s keep in touch.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBack to what I was getting ready to talk about\u2014there are many of our listeners who have gotten Christmas cards from us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And they\u2019ve seen a picture of this big family\u2014now approaching 20 grandchildren\u2014and all the siblings, and their spouses, and everything. You can get a good picture. You can make it look like it\u2019s a perfect family; but when they were growing up\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But you have to take several shots to get a good one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have to take several shots. [Laughter] And it\u2019s not a perfect family\u2014trust me. But when they were growing up, there were many times when we thought, \u201cAre we raising juvenile delinquents?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cAre we?\u201d\u2014 you know? And that\u2019s why the road trip\u2014I don\u2019t think I would have chosen that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have with us, in the studio today, Brad Mathias, who wrote a book about a road trip. The book is called <em>Road Trip to Redemption<\/em>. Brad, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Thanks. I\u2019m looking forward to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Brad is a pastor. He has three teens, currently. This is kind of a dangerous book to write\u2014about teenagers and about the road trip\u2014in the midst of still being in the process. You\u2019re a brave man. You\u2019ve done it. You and your wife, Paige, have been married since 1991. Take us back to the time in\u2014was it 2009?\u2014when something occurred with your daughter\u2014that didn\u2019t tip you off\u2014but caused you to wonder if something was going on that, ultimately, led to this road trip.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Every parent is running at Mach 3. We\u2019re all red-lining our schedules. If you\u2019re in ministry or you\u2019re a pastor\u2014or even just a reliable volunteer at your local church\u2014you\u2019re busy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> You\u2019re trying to keep up with school. You\u2019re trying to keep up with church. You\u2019re trying to keep up with your life. You occasionally take a date with your spouse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you run at that speed. It becomes easy to only react to the problems. I was a victim of that. I definitely am guilty of being one of those dads that, if it wasn\u2019t a problem, I wasn\u2019t trying to fix it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s how this snuck up on us in 2009. We had a 14-year-old daughter who just suddenly wasn\u2019t at dinner very often\u2014who suddenly just withdrew from her family life. She was a freshman in high school. There were some transitions happening. It took me several weeks or months before I even began to notice: \u201cWhere\u2019s Bethany? What\u2019s going on?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The family dynamics that were occurring at that time weren\u2019t your average run-of-the-mill type of stuff. Half a dozen years before, you and your wife had separated\u2014almost divorced. Do you think that contributed, ultimately, to this situation with your daughter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> At the time it occurred, I did. I saw that there were patterns in my kids and in my own behavior that were really different than a healthy family should be. In particular, Bethany struggled with anxiety. She felt like she would be left if we didn\u2019t constantly reassure her that Mom and Dad would be there in the morning. She was very fearful at night, even as she got into her late pre-adolescent years. I definitely can say I see a link between that and her dad leaving when she was very young\u2014and those memories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019m imagining myself being in your situation, at this point, with a 14-year-old daughter dealing with anxiety and pulling back a little bit. Mary Ann and I would have had conversations about: \u201cWhat do you think is going on with Bethany? Do you think we need to be doing anything? Do you think we need to get her to talk to a counselor? Maybe, I should be spending a little more time with her.\u201d Were you having those conversations with Paige?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> We were. In fact, Paige and I were really paying attention to the things that are obvious\u2014the triggers\u2014the different makeup, the different style of clothes, the music she started listening to, the people she was hanging out with. These were all radically different at the beginning of her freshman year in high school than they had been in junior high. There was this period of time where Paige and I really began to wonder: \u201cOkay, is she sneaking out? Is there a problem? Is there a boyfriend issue? Is she lying to us?\u201d We went through the whole checklist of parents\u2014double- and triple-checking if she was where she was supposed to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe started to figure out that there was something going on; but it wasn\u2019t as dangerous as it, maybe, first looked\u2014<em>until<\/em>\u2014I was lying in bed. I said to my wife: \u201cHoney, something is wrong with Bethany. I think we need to pray, right now.\u201d And we did. The Holy Spirit intruded in our life and in our marriage, at that moment. I describe it in the book. There was this moment where I just suddenly\u2014Bing! \u2014you have this awareness. The light bulb goes on in your spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad: <\/strong>I said, \u201cWe\u2019ve got to go ask Bethany what she\u2019s hiding from us\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cright now\u2014right this moment.\u201d I remember that it was late at night\u201410:30 or 11:00 at night. I remember getting up and going to her room with Paige. As we neared her room, I\u2019m thinking in my dad-mind: \u201cWhat did she hide? What is she doing? Is this drugs?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u201cShe is so busted!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Oh, \u201cShe\u2019s about to get it!\u201d You know, in my mind, I\u2019m already going through the checklist: \u201cI\u2019m going to ground her.\u201d \u201cI\u2019m going to take away this.\u201d \u201cShe\u2019s going to know that she\u2019s not going to fool me.\u201d I came to a screeching halt as I came to her door, and I heard her silently crying in her room. I realized: \u201cSomething\u2019s really wrong! This is not what I thought it was.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She needs a shepherd\u2014not a judge. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Right; yes. So, as a pastor and as a really passionate Christ-follower, I was all about black and white\u2014everything getting check-listed\u2014doing the things you\u2019re supposed to do. I read the books! I mean, we were supposed to have good kids because we did all the books.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad: <\/strong>And yet, here was something I hadn\u2019t accounted for. My daughter was broken in her spirit, and I had missed it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you walked into that room. What did you say to her? How did you become the shepherd?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> I walked into that room, and I just saw the brokenness in her. I saw the weariness in her eyes that broke my dad-heart for\u2014that she didn\u2019t expect me to be compassionate. She was looking at me as if I was about to come down on her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just said: \u201cSweetie, what\u2019s wrong? You need to tell us.\u201d She looked at me for a moment and then it was like the dam broke. There was this really tough, pre-teen\/teenage look\u2014you know, this sort of rebellious moment in her eyes\u2014and then, she broke. The Holy Spirit had timed it perfectly that our awareness was peaked in a time when she was most desperate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe found out, in that moment, that our daughter had almost taken her life. There had been a series of events that had occurred, six months earlier, with abuse and molestation that she had completely hidden from Paige and me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were in the dark. She didn\u2019t <em>feel <\/em>safe enough to come and talk to us about it. So, she hid it and reacted to it. It was this <em>painful <\/em>moment, as a dad, where you\u2019re suddenly aware of all the things you may have totally misunderstood about your own child\u2014and also, this amazing gratefulness to God that He interrupted this cycle and where it was headed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Of course, I\u2019d also have some feelings in the back of mind about whoever had abused my daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> I try very hard not to go into that too much in the book because it was another student, and it occurred in a public setting. We dealt with that publicly. I did have to go through that. I did have to go through, as a dad, guarding my anger. The deeper wound was my feeling that I had failed my daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> You know, as a dad, we\u2019re supposed to protect our little girls.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> So, here, I had failed twice. I failed in being a good husband to my wife, and now I had failed in protecting my daughter. I bring those points into this story because I don\u2019t care what parent out there is hearing this right now\u2014I don\u2019t care how badly you\u2019ve messed up\u2014I don\u2019t care how far you\u2019ve gone into the negative territory of being a good dad or husband\u2014there\u2019s redemption.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is a process that God has for you to restore your marriage, and your home, and to heal your kids. I want my story to at least give a real-life, transparent, honest look at what that would look like if you were to trust God for your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What I want the parents to hear, coming loud and clear out of your story, is that teenagers don\u2019t need their mom and dad to be their friend. I\u2019m not saying you don\u2019t to have a good relationship with them, but they need a shepherd. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey need someone who cares for them, but also does protect them and provide the boundaries for them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I hear you doing is responding to a prompting of God. I think, many times, parents miss the opportunity to truly engage with their kids because they\u2019re not in constant conversation with God about their children: \u201cLord, help me catch them doing what\u2019s right. Help me catch them doing what\u2019s wrong. Help me stay engaged with them. Help us keep our relationship intact,\u201d because the world is competing for your child\u2019s heart. If we, as parents, aren\u2019t in the game, pursuing them\u2014but also pursuing God and pursuing His heart\u2014we\u2019re going to miss some opportunities and walk by some of these situations like you just described. The results could be devastating. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> When did the thought hit you, \u201cI think we\u2019ll pack up the car and get out of town\u201d? Was it that night\u2014in the middle of that moment in your daughter\u2019s bedroom?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> It wasn\u2019t. The time between meeting with Bethany in her room and us going on our crazy road trip was about nine months. There was a pretty good season of time between those events. But I can tell you that there was a great awareness that I had <em>really <\/em>miscalculated, as a dad \/ as a pastor. I believed that if I put my time in and did the right things, that my kids would turn out a certain way. I had taken away the role God needed to play in their conversion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> You see\u2014I had made it something I did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> And it\u2019s really something that God does!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> I think there are a lot of parents, especially in the church, who are so stressed out\u2014trying to get it \u201dright,\u201d trying to make sure that their kids come out exactly healthy, identical reproductions of themselves. We forget that God has a role to play\u2014a dominant role to play! We\u2019re just caretakers in that process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWithout going into too much detail, the shift in my understanding of God, my Father, from a God who is loving and true to me versus this old, angry man\u2014that I had in my mind of Him\u2014affected how I parented.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Because I had messed up so badly, as a husband\u2014in the beginning of the story\u2014my understanding of God was this angry person, who I should be afraid of. So, I parented out of fear. All of my relationships were dominated out of fear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, you didn\u2019t have a good understanding of grace\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Absolutely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and of a right standing before God because of what Christ had done on the cross for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> I mean\u2014I believed it for everybody but me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You preached it at church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because you\u2019re a pastor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Yes, yes! I mean, I knew the doctrine. I know the theology, but the reality was that I was an extremely good example of messed-up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, the inspiration to pack up and do a road trip\u2014you said it was about nine months after you learned what had gone on with Bethany. Was this just, \u201cLet\u2019s take a family vacation,\u201d or did you have something deeper and bigger in mind for this trip?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> The book goes into the details of processing, as parents, how you deal with something like what happened with Bethany. It\u2019s not a simple thing. It\u2019s not an easy thing. You can\u2019t do it alone. There are a lot of conflicting emotions. But as I began to process with God, I said, \u201cGod, you\u2019ve got to help my daughter!\u201d His response was to change me\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> \u2014which is always the case. So, as parents, when we\u2019re concerned about a child and their behavior, and we start praying, watch out!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Immediately, what He\u2019s going to do is top-down!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> It began this process of me learning about crazy love. I read Francis Chan\u2019s book. It really affected me at a time in my life when I needed to understand the simplicity and the profound nature of God. In the process\u2014I am an avid outdoorsman. I love to climb mountains. I drive all over the United States\u2014taking pictures, and climbing, and crazy things. I do it with pastors, and I do it with artists in the Christian music world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said: \u201cGod, I fell in love with You in those mountains. I want my kids to fall in love with You like I did.\u201d That\u2019s when I felt the inspiration to take a road trip with my kids\u2014to take them to the places that had <em>really <\/em>changed and transformed my understanding of God from this angry guy to this loving, creative artist that He is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Two weeks\u20147,000 miles; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Insane; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s pretty crazy!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You went through tornados; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> We did! You\u2019re not supposed to have a tornado in Billings, Montana. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You climbed mountains. Bethany saw her first moose.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> That\u2019s my favorite part of the book\u2014Chapter 11 is \u201cBethany\u2019s Moose.\u201d It\u2019s a special story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And what is special about it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Well, you don\u2019t just walk up on a moose; you know? You don\u2019t just find a moose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They\u2019re dangerous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Yes, they\u2019re dangerous\u2014more than you would think. But more than that, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBethany is\u2014she\u2019s, in this moment, 15 now\u2014so, nine months later\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere she\u2019s beginning to thaw to Mom and Dad. She\u2019s starting to unleash herself a little bit. She\u2019s starting to relax a little bit; but she has, by no means, embraced our faith. She\u2019s not decided that God is trustworthy. She\u2019s just beginning to think that Mom and Dad might be cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here we are on this road trip. I have a daughter who is convinced that God does not actually answer prayer. Nothing I can do can convince her of that. So, she says, \u201cWell, I\u2019m going to pray to see a moose.\u201d That\u2019s tough stuff for a parent. You\u2019re on a 14-day road trip. You\u2019re 11-12 days into it. Guess what? No moose.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you go to a zoo? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019d start to come up with the idea, \u201cI\u2019ve got to get a moose in here somehow!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Somehow, that might be counterproductive. I\u2019m not sure. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hire a moose guide. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, how did it happen?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> At Rocky Mountain National Park, we wake up in the middle of the foggiest morning I can ever remember. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s early July. God wakes me up, literally, and says, \u201cGet her. Go. I\u2019ve got it.\u201d He says, \u201cTell her.\u201d I\u2019m thinking, \u201cIf I tell her there\u2019s a moose out there\u2014<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cYou\u2019d better deliver!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cand this is the pizza I ate last night\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cI\u2019ve just dug a deeper hole than we\u2019re already in.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know\u2014the story just is beautiful because God <em>did<\/em> talk to me. He does talk to parents, specifically, about their kids. I drove about 15 miles, and I knew exactly where to go. We walked off the side of the road, and through a stand of trees, and there was a moose 30 feet from us. I have a picture of it in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> It\u2019s unbelievable. It was so specific of what Bethany had prayed for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s a chapter in the book that you title, \u201cA Week in God\u2019s Country and the Hike that Changed It All.\u201d What was the hike?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> You can visit a beautiful place; and then, you can explore a beautiful place. You visit a beautiful place on a tour bus. You stop at the scenic overlook. You take the picture; and you say, \u201cI\u2019ve been to Bow Falls, Canada,\u201d which is a beautiful place. You can do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you take the six-mile hike to Bow Falls, which starts at the scenic overlook, then you\u2019ve actually experienced it. The \u201cHike that Changed It All\u201d was this moment in the journey where my kids actually experienced the <em>glory<\/em> of God in the cathedral of the wilderness. They saw for themselves the dynamic beauty that is creation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen those things happen\u2014no matter how many times Dad comes back, excited with his pictures and tells them about how awesome that was\u2014until you actually experience that and you smell that air, you walk through those fields, and you see that water\u2014there\u2019s no way to appreciate what God has for us. The \u201cHike that Changed It All\u201d was this hike\u2014where my kids began to see that there\u2019s a difference between knowing what Dad described and what they experienced, and also between knowing <em>about <\/em>someone and actually knowing that person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. I was thinking that as you were saying it. There are some people whose experience of Christianity is the scenic overpass as opposed to the walk with Jesus; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> I would even suggest that maybe <em>most <\/em>people have had that experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. As I look at the assignment of being a parent, Brad, I think there are two things God commands us to do with our kids\u2014one is to teach them the truth about God, which is the scenic overlook\u2014it\u2019s the character of God, what He\u2019s like, His attributes, who He is, and how He works. You can take your kids only so far in introducing them to God, at that point, around His characteristics. As you\u2019ve just described, you\u2019ve got to get off on the trail. That\u2019s where you teach them to experience God and begin to see Him work in and through their lives, by challenging them to pray.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of my grandkids called me the other day and asked me to pray for him. I\u2019ll not get off into that\u2014it was a pretty dramatic situation that was occurring in this little guy\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe thought enough of his Papa to give him a call to ask him to pray for him. I\u2019ve had conversations with my grandkids about who God is; but in that moment, we both, over the phone, experienced who He is. We had an experience of really trusting God with a fearful situation that he was encountering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think you\u2019ve done a great job, here on the broadcast, and also in your book, <em>Road Trip to Redemption<\/em>, of challenging parents to\u2014not just go down the highway\u2014but to take their kids with them\u2014and, yes, stop at the overlook\u2014but get out and truly make sure you\u2019re fulfilling your assignment of introducing your kids <em>to <\/em>God but also giving them experiences with God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I just have to know\u2014because Bethany, obviously, was okay with you writing this book and telling her story; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is three or four years later. How is she doing? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> She\u2019s a freshman in college. She\u2019s doing great. She wrote a part of this book. So, as we go through this story, you\u2019re going to hear her version of the same events that I described so that parents can see: \u201cThis is messy\u2014working with teens. They have all kinds of crazy ideas in their heads; but, at the end of the day, God comes for their hearts just like He came for yours and mine.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> The reason I included all of those stories about myself is because I wanted to show that there\u2019s no situation that can\u2019t be redeemed. There\u2019s no circumstance that can\u2019t be healed. There\u2019s no child whose heart can\u2019t be reached by our Savior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And that\u2019s a great reminder for all of us. Thanks for being on the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brad:<\/strong> Thank you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have got copies of Brad\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. I want to encourage listeners to go to FamilyLifeToday.com to find out more about the book, <em>Road Trip to Redemption: A Disconnected Family, a Cross-Country Adventure, and an Amazing Journey of Healing and Grace. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the book is called <em>Road Trip to Redemption<\/em>;and you\u2019ll find it online. You can order, online, if you\u2019d like at FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014is the website; or call 1-800-358-6329\u20141-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, you should know that today\u2019s program is brought to you by folks, just like you. We have a team of people, all across the country\u2014we call them Legacy Partners\u2014folks who have gotten in touch with us and said: \u201cWe believe in what God is doing through <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>We think marriage and family are important. We believe that people need to hear biblical truth about marriage and family, and we want to help make that happen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese folks have signed on to be monthly supporters of this ministry. We\u2019re grateful for our Legacy Partners, but the truth is our team of Legacy Partners could use some new teammates. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, during the month of March, we\u2019re asking regular <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>listeners\u2014those of you who have tuned in and listened for a long time\u2014you like the program, maybe you\u2019ve been to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> <sup>\u00ae<\/sup> getaway, maybe you\u2019ve used some of our resources, or been on our website\u2014would you consider making a monthly contribution to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>? If you sign on as a new Legacy Partner this month, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d by sending you a welcome kit that includes the brand-new <em>Legacy Partner Cookbook<\/em>\u2014recipes from all across the country\u2014from some of our Legacy Partners. Dennis and Barbara have got some recipes in there, some of our staff, Mary Ann and I have got recipes in there, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll send you the cookbook as a thank-you gift when you become a brand-new Legacy Partner. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE.\u201d You can sign up, online, as a Legacy Partner or find out more about the Legacy Partner program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY and say: \u201cI\u2019m curious. I have some questions. I want to know more about becoming a Legacy Partner.\u201d We\u2019ll get you all taken care of over the phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope you\u2019ll join us\u2014join the Legacy Partner team. We look forward to hearing from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope you have a great weekend. I hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you\u2019ll join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about one of the Ten Commandments. This is the commandment that Dennis Rainey thinks is the forgotten commandment. Do you know which one that is? We will talk about it Monday. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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