{"id":302922,"date":"2014-01-31T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-01-31T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-mans-wilder-side\/"},"modified":"2014-01-31T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-01-31T17:00:00","slug":"a-mans-wilder-side","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-mans-wilder-side\/","title":{"rendered":"A Man&#8217;s Wilder Side"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Have you taken a walk on the wild side lately? If you&#8217;re like most men, you&#8217;re either concluding a great adventure or dreaming about one. Stephen Mansfield coaches moms on how to relate to her reckless young sons. He also gives insight to a great man of adventure, Theodore Roosevelt, and gleans some wisdom from a great man of integrity, Job.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Have you taken a walk on the wild side lately? 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Here\u2019s author Stephen Mansfield.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>The Roman soldiers used to\u2014when they were in an inspection, they would clink their armor. They\u2019d take their sword\u2014they\u2019d clink it against their breastplate. They\u2019d clink their shield and so on together. They would shout, \u201cIntegritas!\u201d What it meant was: \u201cEverything is solid. Everything is strapped on. Everything is as it appears to be. We\u2019re ready for battle.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat word, integrity, comes from that; and it means solid, authentic from the core out. Most men aren\u2019t that way. Most men, I\u2019m sorry to say\u2014through fault of their own or not\u2014are sort of acting. They don\u2019t feel it, authentically, on the inside. They\u2019re not living from the inside out. They\u2019re living something that they have absorbed as sort of a performance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, January 31<sup>st<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the heart of godly masculinity is character. We\u2019ll explore that theme today. Stay with us.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. Of course, tomorrow\u2019s the big day\u2014a lot of churches, all around the country, are going to be hosting men for the one-day Super Saturday <em>Stepping Up<\/em><strong><sup>\u2122<\/sup><\/strong> event\u2014calling guys to step up and be godly men. If our listeners are interested in seeing if they could join with those other men, all they have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com, and click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, and find out where these events are being hosted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We have a guy who\u2019s going to challenge you to step up today. Stephen Mansfield joins us, again, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think Stephen got it wrong on his book\u2014on the cover of his book\u2014because it\u2019s <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Shouldn\u2019t it have been <em>Mansfield\u2019s Manual of Manly Men<\/em>? I mean, come on, you could have really stretched it out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Oh, my!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is a <em>maaanual<\/em> right here; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It is <em>Emmanuel<\/em>. [Laughter] Oh, my goodness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you are a <em>New York Times<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> bestselling author\u2014and speaker, around the country\u2014commentator. You live in both Nashville and Washington, DC\u2014married to your wife, Beverly. You\u2019ve written this book, really, to challenge men to go on a quest\u2014also, to be wild. Is that what you said? Was it wild? Was it wild spirit? Take us into the experience of that. What were you challenging men to do, at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I want men to take responsibility for themselves. I want them to recognize that they need to press against stuff, they need to get hit, and they need to live some wildness. If they do that, then they\u2019ll be able to live in society, you know, without being inappropriate in the ways that they are. Men need to recognize they have kind of a wild side. They need the adventure. They need to get out in nature. That\u2019ll keep them from doing some of the stupid things they do inside.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, moms, raising boys, right now\u2014and they\u2019re looking at this wild streak coming out of their boys. They shouldn\u2019t squelch that. On the other hand, they are supposed to raise them out of this barbarian\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sanctify it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014from being barbarians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sanctify it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; exactly. What coaching would you have for a mom in terms of how she relates to her son to encourage the wild side\u2014the adventure\u2014on the quest that a man\u2019s to go on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>There\u2019s a writer about young boys who calls them \u201cthunder-puppies\u201d. He says, \u201cLook, they have a certain amount of wildness they have to exhibit.\u201d So, a lot of times, when I\u2019m talking to the single moms at church or an organization I\u2019m involved in, I say: \u201cDon\u2019t get freaked out about this. They\u2019re going to duke each other out. They\u2019re going to make a fort and jump on it. They\u2019re going to do crazy things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll give you a quick example. When my son was, maybe, ten years old, I was in the fellowship hall at our downtown Nashville church. All of a sudden, my son and his friend came in, escorted by a policeman friend of mine. It was at night. We were getting some things ready; and the policeman, friend of mine, kind of winked at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it turned out that what was going on was that my son was laying down in the street\u2014this big downtown Nashville, long street, over by Belmont University. Some will know\u2014it is 16<sup>th<\/sup>\u2014laying down in the street and seeing how close the cars could get to them before they jumped up and ran to the side. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, my wife freaked out! I mean, we were about to get counselors, and injections, and throw vitamins at him, or whatever. We just\u2014something needed to be fixed! I dealt with my son very firmly, as a father; but I closed the door and just cracked up. That\u2019s a boy testing the boundaries. That\u2019s what they do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, single moms\u2014don\u2019t be afraid of it. Get other men involved in his life. That\u2019s one of the best things that can happen. Bring in brothers, fathers; fathers of friends, and so on\u2014if you\u2019re a single mom. But don\u2019t sweat. Boys are different from girls, and you have to let them be. They can be as much as five years behind girls, intellectually; and they\u2019re going to tear stuff up. They are thunder-puppies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You tell the story about a Sunday school teacher who had a bunch of thunder-puppies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He probably was one himself when he was growing up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>He probably was. I\u2019ll tell you who it was at the end of the story, but he was the head of a Sunday school class while he was in college at Harvard. A young man came in with\u2014obviously, he had been in a fight. Of course, this was the kind of thing that would get you kicked out of church, at that time, in that city. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Sunday school teacher asked the young man, \u201cWhat happened?\u201d Turned out he was defending his sister. Fortunately, the Sunday school teacher <em>knew<\/em> men\u2014<em>knew<\/em> what they needed, <em>knew<\/em> what was going on, and spoke encouragingly of it. It changed the young man\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, that Sunday school teacher\u2019s name is Theodore Roosevelt. He was one of our Presidents, of course. He knew what the wild was\u2014he knew a man needed to be a man. There are righteous causes for which he would have to engage in violence. That\u2019s part of the calling on a man. He was helping to change the culture in that rather effete New England church where they would have kicked this young man out just for having a fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You just used a phrase that we\u2014I want to not go past it too fast. Sometimes, you have to engage in violence for the good of society.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A man has to do that. There are some people who hear that and go, \u201cThat does not sound like Jesus to me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Well, see, that\u2019s where we misread Jesus. Jesus told his disciples, at one point, to take a sword with them. Jesus was a man in every sense. Now, our problem is that a lot of young men define manhood as violence\u2014that\u2019s what measures manhood. But we want every young man\u2014every good, godly, solid young man\u2014who\u2019s going to be a manly man\u2014in the sense of this book and the things that you guys teach\u2014we want them all to be capable of constructive, contained, effective violence\u2014absolutely! There is a redemptive and healthy use of violence. I feel much safer in a society where men are aware of that than when they\u2019re not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Roosevelt had a season of loss in his life that you talk about in the book, as well, that marked him in a profound way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of the most amazing stories. It\u2019s one of my favorite of all about manhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRoosevelt was a politician in New York. He got called home. On the same day, in the same house, his mother and his wife died. He was devastated\u2014left with a little daughter that he barely, you know, knew how to take care of. He got family members to help. He went\u2014one of the more dramatic things that ever happened in the life of a future President\u2014he went, and bought territory\u2014a little bit of a ranch in the Dakota Territory, as it was called then. He, essentially, lived the life of a cowboy for a good long period of time\u2014more than a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat he was doing was\u2014he was reclaiming himself. He had already been aware he was living too much of a kind of overly-domesticated life up in New York. When he was suffering from this horrible grief, he knew that, you know, no amount of comfort, and gifts, and cards, and so on\u2014he appreciated all of it\u2014he needed to reclaim something in himself. He, actually, talked about the fact that \u201cI would have killed myself.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, he went; and he cleared brush, and he broke horses, and he ranched, and he even chased down bad guys in the Bad Lands, and arrested them, and took them to the sheriff. I mean, it\u2019s a story that really belongs before its time. But that is, I think, what made him a great man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You wrote a book about another brush-clearing President. George W. Bush used to spend his breaks\/his vacations, out clearing brush on the ranch; didn\u2019t he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right. You know, one of the things that kept him from church, early in his adult life, was that he actually believed that a man-eating lion would die of starvation in most churches. He actually believed\u2014you know, one of the things he said to me\u2014I did write <em>The Faith of George W. Bush<\/em>, which is the only reason I\u2019m referencing the fact that we chatted\u2014is that he said he\u2019d heard the joke once that there aren\u2019t two genders\u2014there\u2019s three: men, women, and preachers. This kind of non-manly orientation in the church was playing on his brain\u2014probably, kept him from it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis life was a ranch life. He <em>genuinely<\/em> chops trees. He <em>genuinely<\/em> clears brush. He likes that stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s older now. I\u2019m not sure he\u2019s doing it now. I think that\u2019s important to a man. Your thing may not be riding horses, but every man has to have his controlled wildness that inflames his soul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the things that occurred to me, as I was reading your book, was really reflecting back on my father. My dad\u2019s father deserted him when he was a boy. It was back in the days when desertion and divorce were unheard of. He somehow helped the family survive\u2014his eight brothers and sisters\u2014and helped piece it together. I\u2019m not sure exactly where my dad learned to be a man. Maybe, it was facing the challenges of a dad who left, and raising his brothers and sisters, helping his mom; but my dad lived his entire life within three miles of the log cabin where he was born. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt his funeral, the most common theme I heard was a word you talk about in your book. They used to call my dad \u201cHook\u201d because he had a crooked curve-ball. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve written about him and said that was the only thing that was crooked about him\u2014was his nickname. But Dad was known as a man of integrity. One man said, \u201cI never heard a negative word about Hook Rainey.\u201d That was a tremendous gift, to me, as a young man\u2014to have a father who had integrity that was rock-solid. I\u2019m in my 60s now, and I feel like I\u2019m still going to the bank on my dad\u2019s integrity. Explain why you wrote of it in your book because you really captured the same thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s important, I think, for us to remember that the Roman soldiers used to\u2014when they were in an inspection, they would clink their armor. They\u2019d take their sword\u2014they\u2019d clink it against their breastplate. They\u2019d clink their shield and so on together. They would shout, \u201cIntegritas!\u201d What it meant was: \u201cEverything is solid. Everything is strapped on. Everything is as it appears to be. We\u2019re ready for battle.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat word, integrity, I think, comes from that; and it means solid, authentic. It means what it appears to be from the core out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost men aren\u2019t that way. Most men, I\u2019m sorry to say\u2014through fault of their own or not\u2014are in sort of a\u2014they\u2019re sort of acting. They don\u2019t feel it, authentically, on the inside. They\u2019re not living from the inside out. They\u2019re living something that they have absorbed as sort of a performance. The study of integrity in the book is what I wanted to get to. I want to call men to be authentically who they are. I don\u2019t think they\u2019ve even had\u2014some men haven\u2019t even had permission, really, to be authentic, from the inside out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you thought about somebody who was a model of integrity, you didn\u2019t go to a U. S. President\u2014you didn\u2019t go to a famous general\u2014you went to the Old Testament.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. I tell you what\u2014the guy who inspires me the most is Job, on that subject. We tend to read Job\u2014you know, again, this is a part of the Bible\u2014we tend to read it on Sundays or what have you. We don\u2019t think about just the man and what he was dealing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut repeatedly, someone said: \u201cWhy are you hanging on to your integrity? You\u2019re suffering. You\u2019ve had the death of children. All your property\u2019s destroyed. You have boils all over your body, and here you are,\u201d his wife mocks, \u201cclinging to your integrity.\u201d That\u2019s pretty much all Job clings to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChapter after chapter, he\u2019s suffering. He has friends telling him idiotic things; but Job says, \u201cI stand before God in my integrity.\u201d It\u2019s the theme of the whole book: \u201cI am who I say I am. I did not commit some secret sin. This has not come upon me because I have done something that has angered the living God.\u201d What I love is, at the end of Job, God shows up. What He says to Job is, \u201cStand up and prepare to present yourself like a man.\u201d Job does pass the test. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI like that whole progression because, really, it\u2019s about integrity because Job was authentic\u2014really, a man from the inside out\u2014despite the sufferings. The sufferings didn\u2019t change him. He stood; and he said, \u201cGod knows who I really am.\u201d That\u2019s what it says in the Hebrew. \u201cGod knows who I really am.\u201d That\u2019s integrity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You wrote a number of statements that described Job. I\u2019m going to just read through them quickly. At the point you want to interrupt me and make a comment, feel free to do it. You said, first of all: \u201cJob wasn\u2019t swayed by the opinions of men. He knows what is true.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, he spent weeks\u2014maybe months, for all we know\u2014listening to guys telling him things about himself that weren\u2019t true. He said: \u201cI know who I am. God knows who I am. I can\u2019t be moved.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Secondly: \u201cJob speaks the truth as he knows it. It seemed to be done winsomely, but he didn\u2019t back down from the truth.\u201d Third, \u201cJob never accuses God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s his great virtue. He complains. He wishes he\u2019d never been born\u2014he\u2019s suffering, he\u2019s having a horrible time\u2014but not once, the Bible tells us, did he ever sin against God in his words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He did, at the end of the book, say, \u201cI have some questions for God.\u201d And he has a whole list of questions. God patiently hears him out, and then says: \u201cAre you done? Are you really\u2014is that all?\u201d And then God says, \u201cOkay. Now, stand up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where God says to him, \u201cWhere were you when I was making the earth?\u201d right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s really remarkable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It\u2019s powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>But Job, nevertheless, never accuses God\u2014knows that God is righteous and is, actually\u2014the whole book\u2014asking God to act.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Number four: \u201cJob defends himself. He is not going to sit quietly while lies are being told and his character is assailed. He speaks. He gives an argument. He makes a defense.\u201d He\u2019s not a passive guy, in other words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, you know, it\u2019s interesting to me. We often get upset with other people who defend themselves too much. But Paul, actually, said to the Corinthians, \u201cHey, one of the ways I know the Spirit\u2019s working among you in this time of conviction is that you want to clear your name. You are passionate to clear your name,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s, actually, a virtue for righteous people. That\u2019s what Job exhibits for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I like this when: \u201cJob was quick to admit his wrongs.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He had humility. Next, you said: \u201cJob listened to criticism.\u201d Yes, he was teachable!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. I love what E. Stanley Jones said: \u201cMy critics are the unpaid guardians of my soul. Listen to your critics\u2014see if there\u2019s any truth in it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, Bill Bright made a great statement about critics. He said, \u201cI listen to my critics and weigh what they say; but in the end, I keep moving forward.\u201d He didn\u2019t let critics define who he was, as a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd finally\u2014the last one you write about here: \u201cJob waited. He might have killed himself, or cursed God, or killed his friends, or lost all hope; but instead, at the end of the book, you\u2019re finding Job still waiting, still listening to God, still wanting to be God\u2019s man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. There\u2019s only one way out of Job\u2019s predicament; and that is for God to act. So, he waits. He trusts\u2014he says, \u201cI know God knows who I am, and He\u2019ll make this right.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And at the very end, when he says, \u201cI had heard of You with the hearing of my ear, but now I know You.\u201d Job, in the midst of all of that, knows God better, at the end, because of his integrity\u2014his faithfulness. He has a deeper, closer understanding of and relationship with his Creator as a result of all he went through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I think it\u2019s because, as Stephen writes in his book, \u201cSuffering, in the end, helps make the man.\u201d Now, here\u2019s the question for you, Stephen. Has there been a season in your life where suffering has made the man\u2014Stephen Mansfield?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>There\u2019s just no question about it. I was the pastor of a very large church in Nashville, Tennessee. At that time, my wife chose to leave the marriage. Now, I certainly\u2014when you hear a story like that, you know that both the man and the woman have fault. So, I voluntarily resigned that church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that next year-and-a-half was the worst of my life\u2014just the worst of my life\u2014all the things you can imagine\u2014you know, questions, and rumors, and church hassles, and what have you\u2014but just sufferings. I\u2019m seeing it in the eyes of my children\u2014and going through the divorce and dividing property\u2014all that stuff. Doesn\u2019t matter whose fault it was\u2014it is still hell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt did make me a better man. It made me a better man because I had a biblical framework of truth to operate with, and I had godly men who stood with me. I had godly men who confronted me, and chastised me, and kept me in the straight and narrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, when you write this book, it\u2019s not that you haven\u2019t been where a lot of men have been. You\u2019ve suffered some great losses in your life and been wounded. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Deeply hurt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, until you have been harmed by your best friends and recovered, until you have had literally the dark night of the soul\u2014where you sit up all night, saying to yourself, \u201cWhy would they do that to me?\u201d or, \u201cI\u2019m an idiot,\u201d or whatever it is\u2014\u201cWhere is God?\u201d until you\u2019ve had those almost at-the-edge of sanity and life kinds of moments. I don\u2019t think you can then recover yourself and not see what others are dealing with. I want to say that a lot of the undergirding of this book is compassion, in my mind, because I\u2019ve had to battle through a lot of these things myself. Nobody comes from the womb perfect; and nobody emerges\u2014goes through this life\u2014without hardship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, just hearing us meditate on these themes of what\u2019s at the core of godly manhood\u2014you\u2019ve written a lot of books\u2014a lot of books about history, a lot of books about people. I know the passion around this subject for you. You could have written\u2014I mean\u2014there are a number of writing assignments. You, probably, have a list of books that you\u2019d like to write; but this is the one you felt a burden to write. What\u2019s your burden for this book, and what would you hope would happen as a result of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>What I\u2019m hoping for is a new generation\u2019s movement of men\u2014for a younger generation. I care about men. I\u2019m deeply committed to them. I\u2019ve had to fight through a lot of these issue myself\u2014I\u2019ve pastored gay people, I\u2019ve pastored people going through every kind of\u2014men going through every kind of crisis. But what I want to see is a movement of men, worldwide, where they\u2019re creating the kind of culture, we\u2019re discussing here, that I described in the book. It\u2019s a little different than what most people might expect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve had some successes. I\u2019m not just shooting for that. Thank God for every book that sells; but unless what comes out of this is men actually creating that culture that lifts men up\u2014calls the young into manhood, and initiates them, and changes the country\u2014I\u2019m not going to be satisfied.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can you relate to that a little bit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sitting here trying to grab the microphone away from him, you know, because we pound the table about the same things. I look across our country, and this is the day for men to step up. This is the day for men to be men and be responsible for what you\u2019ve been given.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Maybe, it\u2019s a marriage that\u2019s in the pits right now. Maybe, it\u2019s a relationship where there\u2019s been harm, as you said, done to you. Maybe, it\u2019s a job you\u2019ve lost. Maybe, it\u2019s a defining moment where you\u2019re being tempted to become embittered and poisoned for the rest of your life. You can\u2019t give in to it! There\u2019s too much at stake because there\u2019s a lot more people watching us than we ever realize. Every man, who\u2019s listening to us right now, has been given a domain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ve been given an area\u2014you call it a field of responsibility\u2014to conquer, to live out his life, to rule in a gentle way\/a loving way, yet a firm way, setting direction. I just fear, right now, for our nation\u2014that we\u2019re becoming more and more of a coarse nation\u2014degrading women, really abusing our children in untold ways today\u2014because men haven\u2019t been men and stepped in to defend them. I hope your book catches on like wildfire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope a lot of guys, Bob, are going to be with us tomorrow, all over the country, at Super Saturday because we have hundreds of these groups, around the country, where men are going to be stepping up and calling other men to go through just a few hours of great, challenging content and, also, rub shoulders with some other men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, guys are going to get a chance to hear from you, and from Crawford Lorritts, and from Robert Lewis, and Tony Dungee, and Bill Bennett, and Stu Weber, and Voddie Baucham. I mean, it\u2019s a full day with great input from some great speakers. Matt Chandler is included. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and find out how you can attend one of these events in your community; or if you want to, you can have your own event in your living room. We have these <em>Stepping Up<\/em> Super Saturday at-home edition, where you can get access to the video, online. You can get the manuals downloaded. You and your sons can go through the material together over the weekend, or you and a group of guys you want to invite over to the house can go through the material together\u2014whatever time schedule works for you this weekend. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em> to find out more about this Super Saturday event tomorrow\u2014again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also order a copy of Stephen Mansfield\u2019s book when you go to our website. It\u2019s called <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or order by phone at 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, finally, let me say a quick word of thanks to the folks who made today\u2019s program possible. That would be you, if you\u2019re a supporter of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. If you\u2019ve ever made a donation, or if you are one of our Legacy Partners\u2014making regular monthly contributions to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014your donations help cover the cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program on stations all around the country\u2014online, via our mobile app\u2014we couldn\u2019t do it without you. We\u2019re grateful for your financial support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, this month, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d The way we\u2019d like to do that is by sending you a copy of the book by Dennis and Barbara Rainey called <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014you click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, and you make an online donation\u2014we will send that book directly to you. If you call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make a donation over the phone, be sure to ask for a copy of the book, <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>;and we\u2019ll get it out to you. Or you can write a check and mail it to us. Our mailing address is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. And of course, if you write to us, make sure that you include a note that you\u2019d like the book on romance. Again, we\u2019re happy to send it out to you. We appreciate your partnership with us, and it\u2019s always great to hear from you. Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s sure been a treat, Stephen, to have you with us. Stephen Mansfield has joined us, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I\u2019m thrilled about your book, <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men.<\/em> I got that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Hey!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mansfield\u2019s Manual. I think\u2014when it comes out in paperback, make it a manual! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I\u2019ll be like, \u201cI\u2019m going to have to, after this show.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you\u2019re a kindred spirit. We hope you\u2019ll come back and join us again sometime and spend a little time with several thousand of our listeners here because I\u2019m sure they\u2019d benefit from it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I can\u2019t wait. Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I want to thank our engineer today for his assistance with our program. His name is Keith Lynch\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s a manly man!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He is; and on behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. Hope you have a great weekend. Hope you can join us tomorrow for one of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> events. We\u2019ll see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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Welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Thanks so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think Stephen got it wrong on his book\u2014on the cover of his book\u2014because it\u2019s <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Shouldn\u2019t it have been <em>Mansfield\u2019s Manual of Manly Men<\/em>? I mean, come on, you could have really stretched it out. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Oh, my!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>This is a <em>maaanual<\/em> right here; don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It is <em>Emmanuel<\/em>. [Laughter] Oh, my goodness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you are a <em>New York Times<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> bestselling author\u2014and speaker, around the country\u2014commentator. You live in both Nashville and Washington, DC\u2014married to your wife, Beverly. You\u2019ve written this book, really, to challenge men to go on a quest\u2014also, to be wild. Is that what you said? Was it wild? Was it wild spirit? Take us into the experience of that. What were you challenging men to do, at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I want men to take responsibility for themselves. I want them to recognize that they need to press against stuff, they need to get hit, and they need to live some wildness. If they do that, then they\u2019ll be able to live in society, you know, without being inappropriate in the ways that they are. Men need to recognize they have kind of a wild side. They need the adventure. They need to get out in nature. That\u2019ll keep them from doing some of the stupid things they do inside.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, moms, raising boys, right now\u2014and they\u2019re looking at this wild streak coming out of their boys. They shouldn\u2019t squelch that. On the other hand, they are supposed to raise them out of this barbarian\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sanctify it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014from being barbarians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sanctify it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes; exactly. What coaching would you have for a mom in terms of how she relates to her son to encourage the wild side\u2014the adventure\u2014on the quest that a man\u2019s to go on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>There\u2019s a writer about young boys who calls them \u201cthunder-puppies\u201d. He says, \u201cLook, they have a certain amount of wildness they have to exhibit.\u201d So, a lot of times, when I\u2019m talking to the single moms at church or an organization I\u2019m involved in, I say: \u201cDon\u2019t get freaked out about this. They\u2019re going to duke each other out. They\u2019re going to make a fort and jump on it. They\u2019re going to do crazy things.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll give you a quick example. When my son was, maybe, ten years old, I was in the fellowship hall at our downtown Nashville church. All of a sudden, my son and his friend came in, escorted by a policeman friend of mine. It was at night. We were getting some things ready; and the policeman, friend of mine, kind of winked at me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it turned out that what was going on was that my son was laying down in the street\u2014this big downtown Nashville, long street, over by Belmont University. Some will know\u2014it is 16<sup>th<\/sup>\u2014laying down in the street and seeing how close the cars could get to them before they jumped up and ran to the side. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, my wife freaked out! I mean, we were about to get counselors, and injections, and throw vitamins at him, or whatever. We just\u2014something needed to be fixed! I dealt with my son very firmly, as a father; but I closed the door and just cracked up. That\u2019s a boy testing the boundaries. That\u2019s what they do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, single moms\u2014don\u2019t be afraid of it. Get other men involved in his life. That\u2019s one of the best things that can happen. Bring in brothers, fathers; fathers of friends, and so on\u2014if you\u2019re a single mom. But don\u2019t sweat. Boys are different from girls, and you have to let them be. They can be as much as five years behind girls, intellectually; and they\u2019re going to tear stuff up. They are thunder-puppies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You tell the story about a Sunday school teacher who had a bunch of thunder-puppies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He probably was one himself when he was growing up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>He probably was. I\u2019ll tell you who it was at the end of the story, but he was the head of a Sunday school class while he was in college at Harvard. A young man came in with\u2014obviously, he had been in a fight. Of course, this was the kind of thing that would get you kicked out of church, at that time, in that city. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis Sunday school teacher asked the young man, \u201cWhat happened?\u201d Turned out he was defending his sister. Fortunately, the Sunday school teacher <em>knew<\/em> men\u2014<em>knew<\/em> what they needed, <em>knew<\/em> what was going on, and spoke encouragingly of it. It changed the young man\u2019s life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, that Sunday school teacher\u2019s name is Theodore Roosevelt. He was one of our Presidents, of course. He knew what the wild was\u2014he knew a man needed to be a man. There are righteous causes for which he would have to engage in violence. That\u2019s part of the calling on a man. He was helping to change the culture in that rather effete New England church where they would have kicked this young man out just for having a fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You just used a phrase that we\u2014I want to not go past it too fast. Sometimes, you have to engage in violence for the good of society.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>A man has to do that. There are some people who hear that and go, \u201cThat does not sound like Jesus to me.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Well, see, that\u2019s where we misread Jesus. Jesus told his disciples, at one point, to take a sword with them. Jesus was a man in every sense. Now, our problem is that a lot of young men define manhood as violence\u2014that\u2019s what measures manhood. But we want every young man\u2014every good, godly, solid young man\u2014who\u2019s going to be a manly man\u2014in the sense of this book and the things that you guys teach\u2014we want them all to be capable of constructive, contained, effective violence\u2014absolutely! There is a redemptive and healthy use of violence. I feel much safer in a society where men are aware of that than when they\u2019re not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Roosevelt had a season of loss in his life that you talk about in the book, as well, that marked him in a profound way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It\u2019s one of the most amazing stories. It\u2019s one of my favorite of all about manhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRoosevelt was a politician in New York. He got called home. On the same day, in the same house, his mother and his wife died. He was devastated\u2014left with a little daughter that he barely, you know, knew how to take care of. He got family members to help. He went\u2014one of the more dramatic things that ever happened in the life of a future President\u2014he went, and bought territory\u2014a little bit of a ranch in the Dakota Territory, as it was called then. He, essentially, lived the life of a cowboy for a good long period of time\u2014more than a year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat he was doing was\u2014he was reclaiming himself. He had already been aware he was living too much of a kind of overly-domesticated life up in New York. When he was suffering from this horrible grief, he knew that, you know, no amount of comfort, and gifts, and cards, and so on\u2014he appreciated all of it\u2014he needed to reclaim something in himself. He, actually, talked about the fact that \u201cI would have killed myself.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, he went; and he cleared brush, and he broke horses, and he ranched, and he even chased down bad guys in the Bad Lands, and arrested them, and took them to the sheriff. I mean, it\u2019s a story that really belongs before its time. But that is, I think, what made him a great man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You wrote a book about another brush-clearing President. George W. Bush used to spend his breaks\/his vacations, out clearing brush on the ranch; didn\u2019t he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. That\u2019s right. You know, one of the things that kept him from church, early in his adult life, was that he actually believed that a man-eating lion would die of starvation in most churches. He actually believed\u2014you know, one of the things he said to me\u2014I did write <em>The Faith of George W. Bush<\/em>, which is the only reason I\u2019m referencing the fact that we chatted\u2014is that he said he\u2019d heard the joke once that there aren\u2019t two genders\u2014there\u2019s three: men, women, and preachers. This kind of non-manly orientation in the church was playing on his brain\u2014probably, kept him from it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis life was a ranch life. He <em>genuinely<\/em> chops trees. He <em>genuinely<\/em> clears brush. He likes that stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe\u2019s older now. I\u2019m not sure he\u2019s doing it now. I think that\u2019s important to a man. Your thing may not be riding horses, but every man has to have his controlled wildness that inflames his soul. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>One of the things that occurred to me, as I was reading your book, was really reflecting back on my father. My dad\u2019s father deserted him when he was a boy. It was back in the days when desertion and divorce were unheard of. He somehow helped the family survive\u2014his eight brothers and sisters\u2014and helped piece it together. I\u2019m not sure exactly where my dad learned to be a man. Maybe, it was facing the challenges of a dad who left, and raising his brothers and sisters, helping his mom; but my dad lived his entire life within three miles of the log cabin where he was born. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt his funeral, the most common theme I heard was a word you talk about in your book. They used to call my dad \u201cHook\u201d because he had a crooked curve-ball. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve written about him and said that was the only thing that was crooked about him\u2014was his nickname. But Dad was known as a man of integrity. One man said, \u201cI never heard a negative word about Hook Rainey.\u201d That was a tremendous gift, to me, as a young man\u2014to have a father who had integrity that was rock-solid. I\u2019m in my 60s now, and I feel like I\u2019m still going to the bank on my dad\u2019s integrity. Explain why you wrote of it in your book because you really captured the same thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s important, I think, for us to remember that the Roman soldiers used to\u2014when they were in an inspection, they would clink their armor. They\u2019d take their sword\u2014they\u2019d clink it against their breastplate. They\u2019d clink their shield and so on together. They would shout, \u201cIntegritas!\u201d What it meant was: \u201cEverything is solid. Everything is strapped on. Everything is as it appears to be. We\u2019re ready for battle.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat word, integrity, I think, comes from that; and it means solid, authentic. It means what it appears to be from the core out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMost men aren\u2019t that way. Most men, I\u2019m sorry to say\u2014through fault of their own or not\u2014are in sort of a\u2014they\u2019re sort of acting. They don\u2019t feel it, authentically, on the inside. They\u2019re not living from the inside out. They\u2019re living something that they have absorbed as sort of a performance. The study of integrity in the book is what I wanted to get to. I want to call men to be authentically who they are. I don\u2019t think they\u2019ve even had\u2014some men haven\u2019t even had permission, really, to be authentic, from the inside out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>When you thought about somebody who was a model of integrity, you didn\u2019t go to a U. S. President\u2014you didn\u2019t go to a famous general\u2014you went to the Old Testament.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. I tell you what\u2014the guy who inspires me the most is Job, on that subject. We tend to read Job\u2014you know, again, this is a part of the Bible\u2014we tend to read it on Sundays or what have you. We don\u2019t think about just the man and what he was dealing with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut repeatedly, someone said: \u201cWhy are you hanging on to your integrity? You\u2019re suffering. You\u2019ve had the death of children. All your property\u2019s destroyed. You have boils all over your body, and here you are,\u201d his wife mocks, \u201cclinging to your integrity.\u201d That\u2019s pretty much all Job clings to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChapter after chapter, he\u2019s suffering. He has friends telling him idiotic things; but Job says, \u201cI stand before God in my integrity.\u201d It\u2019s the theme of the whole book: \u201cI am who I say I am. I did not commit some secret sin. This has not come upon me because I have done something that has angered the living God.\u201d What I love is, at the end of Job, God shows up. What He says to Job is, \u201cStand up and prepare to present yourself like a man.\u201d Job does pass the test. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI like that whole progression because, really, it\u2019s about integrity because Job was authentic\u2014really, a man from the inside out\u2014despite the sufferings. The sufferings didn\u2019t change him. He stood; and he said, \u201cGod knows who I really am.\u201d That\u2019s what it says in the Hebrew. \u201cGod knows who I really am.\u201d That\u2019s integrity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You wrote a number of statements that described Job. I\u2019m going to just read through them quickly. At the point you want to interrupt me and make a comment, feel free to do it. You said, first of all: \u201cJob wasn\u2019t swayed by the opinions of men. He knows what is true.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, he spent weeks\u2014maybe months, for all we know\u2014listening to guys telling him things about himself that weren\u2019t true. He said: \u201cI know who I am. God knows who I am. I can\u2019t be moved.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Secondly: \u201cJob speaks the truth as he knows it. It seemed to be done winsomely, but he didn\u2019t back down from the truth.\u201d Third, \u201cJob never accuses God.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, that\u2019s his great virtue. He complains. He wishes he\u2019d never been born\u2014he\u2019s suffering, he\u2019s having a horrible time\u2014but not once, the Bible tells us, did he ever sin against God in his words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He did, at the end of the book, say, \u201cI have some questions for God.\u201d And he has a whole list of questions. God patiently hears him out, and then says: \u201cAre you done? Are you really\u2014is that all?\u201d And then God says, \u201cOkay. Now, stand up.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s where God says to him, \u201cWhere were you when I was making the earth?\u201d right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s really remarkable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>It\u2019s powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>But Job, nevertheless, never accuses God\u2014knows that God is righteous and is, actually\u2014the whole book\u2014asking God to act.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Number four: \u201cJob defends himself. He is not going to sit quietly while lies are being told and his character is assailed. He speaks. He gives an argument. He makes a defense.\u201d He\u2019s not a passive guy, in other words.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, you know, it\u2019s interesting to me. We often get upset with other people who defend themselves too much. But Paul, actually, said to the Corinthians, \u201cHey, one of the ways I know the Spirit\u2019s working among you in this time of conviction is that you want to clear your name. You are passionate to clear your name,\u201d\u2014it\u2019s, actually, a virtue for righteous people. That\u2019s what Job exhibits for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I like this when: \u201cJob was quick to admit his wrongs.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He had humility. Next, you said: \u201cJob listened to criticism.\u201d Yes, he was teachable!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>That\u2019s right. I love what E. Stanley Jones said: \u201cMy critics are the unpaid guardians of my soul. Listen to your critics\u2014see if there\u2019s any truth in it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, Bill Bright made a great statement about critics. He said, \u201cI listen to my critics and weigh what they say; but in the end, I keep moving forward.\u201d He didn\u2019t let critics define who he was, as a man. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd finally\u2014the last one you write about here: \u201cJob waited. He might have killed himself, or cursed God, or killed his friends, or lost all hope; but instead, at the end of the book, you\u2019re finding Job still waiting, still listening to God, still wanting to be God\u2019s man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. There\u2019s only one way out of Job\u2019s predicament; and that is for God to act. So, he waits. He trusts\u2014he says, \u201cI know God knows who I am, and He\u2019ll make this right.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And at the very end, when he says, \u201cI had heard of You with the hearing of my ear, but now I know You.\u201d Job, in the midst of all of that, knows God better, at the end, because of his integrity\u2014his faithfulness. He has a deeper, closer understanding of and relationship with his Creator as a result of all he went through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I think it\u2019s because, as Stephen writes in his book, \u201cSuffering, in the end, helps make the man.\u201d Now, here\u2019s the question for you, Stephen. Has there been a season in your life where suffering has made the man\u2014Stephen Mansfield?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>There\u2019s just no question about it. I was the pastor of a very large church in Nashville, Tennessee. At that time, my wife chose to leave the marriage. Now, I certainly\u2014when you hear a story like that, you know that both the man and the woman have fault. So, I voluntarily resigned that church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that next year-and-a-half was the worst of my life\u2014just the worst of my life\u2014all the things you can imagine\u2014you know, questions, and rumors, and church hassles, and what have you\u2014but just sufferings. I\u2019m seeing it in the eyes of my children\u2014and going through the divorce and dividing property\u2014all that stuff. Doesn\u2019t matter whose fault it was\u2014it is still hell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt did make me a better man. It made me a better man because I had a biblical framework of truth to operate with, and I had godly men who stood with me. I had godly men who confronted me, and chastised me, and kept me in the straight and narrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>So, when you write this book, it\u2019s not that you haven\u2019t been where a lot of men have been. You\u2019ve suffered some great losses in your life and been wounded. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Deeply hurt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Yes, until you have been harmed by your best friends and recovered, until you have had literally the dark night of the soul\u2014where you sit up all night, saying to yourself, \u201cWhy would they do that to me?\u201d or, \u201cI\u2019m an idiot,\u201d or whatever it is\u2014\u201cWhere is God?\u201d until you\u2019ve had those almost at-the-edge of sanity and life kinds of moments. I don\u2019t think you can then recover yourself and not see what others are dealing with. I want to say that a lot of the undergirding of this book is compassion, in my mind, because I\u2019ve had to battle through a lot of these things myself. Nobody comes from the womb perfect; and nobody emerges\u2014goes through this life\u2014without hardship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, just hearing us meditate on these themes of what\u2019s at the core of godly manhood\u2014you\u2019ve written a lot of books\u2014a lot of books about history, a lot of books about people. I know the passion around this subject for you. You could have written\u2014I mean\u2014there are a number of writing assignments. You, probably, have a list of books that you\u2019d like to write; but this is the one you felt a burden to write. What\u2019s your burden for this book, and what would you hope would happen as a result of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>What I\u2019m hoping for is a new generation\u2019s movement of men\u2014for a younger generation. I care about men. I\u2019m deeply committed to them. I\u2019ve had to fight through a lot of these issue myself\u2014I\u2019ve pastored gay people, I\u2019ve pastored people going through every kind of\u2014men going through every kind of crisis. But what I want to see is a movement of men, worldwide, where they\u2019re creating the kind of culture, we\u2019re discussing here, that I described in the book. It\u2019s a little different than what most people might expect. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve had some successes. I\u2019m not just shooting for that. Thank God for every book that sells; but unless what comes out of this is men actually creating that culture that lifts men up\u2014calls the young into manhood, and initiates them, and changes the country\u2014I\u2019m not going to be satisfied.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Can you relate to that a little bit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m sitting here trying to grab the microphone away from him, you know, because we pound the table about the same things. I look across our country, and this is the day for men to step up. This is the day for men to be men and be responsible for what you\u2019ve been given.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Maybe, it\u2019s a marriage that\u2019s in the pits right now. Maybe, it\u2019s a relationship where there\u2019s been harm, as you said, done to you. Maybe, it\u2019s a job you\u2019ve lost. Maybe, it\u2019s a defining moment where you\u2019re being tempted to become embittered and poisoned for the rest of your life. You can\u2019t give in to it! There\u2019s too much at stake because there\u2019s a lot more people watching us than we ever realize. Every man, who\u2019s listening to us right now, has been given a domain. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019ve been given an area\u2014you call it a field of responsibility\u2014to conquer, to live out his life, to rule in a gentle way\/a loving way, yet a firm way, setting direction. I just fear, right now, for our nation\u2014that we\u2019re becoming more and more of a coarse nation\u2014degrading women, really abusing our children in untold ways today\u2014because men haven\u2019t been men and stepped in to defend them. I hope your book catches on like wildfire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I hope a lot of guys, Bob, are going to be with us tomorrow, all over the country, at Super Saturday because we have hundreds of these groups, around the country, where men are going to be stepping up and calling other men to go through just a few hours of great, challenging content and, also, rub shoulders with some other men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes, guys are going to get a chance to hear from you, and from Crawford Lorritts, and from Robert Lewis, and Tony Dungee, and Bill Bennett, and Stu Weber, and Voddie Baucham. I mean, it\u2019s a full day with great input from some great speakers. Matt Chandler is included. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com and find out how you can attend one of these events in your community; or if you want to, you can have your own event in your living room. We have these <em>Stepping Up<\/em> Super Saturday at-home edition, where you can get access to the video, online. You can get the manuals downloaded. You and your sons can go through the material together over the weekend, or you and a group of guys you want to invite over to the house can go through the material together\u2014whatever time schedule works for you this weekend. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em> to find out more about this Super Saturday event tomorrow\u2014again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can also order a copy of Stephen Mansfield\u2019s book when you go to our website. It\u2019s called <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. You can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or order by phone at 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, finally, let me say a quick word of thanks to the folks who made today\u2019s program possible. That would be you, if you\u2019re a supporter of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. If you\u2019ve ever made a donation, or if you are one of our Legacy Partners\u2014making regular monthly contributions to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014your donations help cover the cost of producing and syndicating this daily radio program on stations all around the country\u2014online, via our mobile app\u2014we couldn\u2019t do it without you. We\u2019re grateful for your financial support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, this month, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you.\u201d The way we\u2019d like to do that is by sending you a copy of the book by Dennis and Barbara Rainey called <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you go to FamilyLifeToday.com\u2014you click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, and you make an online donation\u2014we will send that book directly to you. If you call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make a donation over the phone, be sure to ask for a copy of the book, <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>;and we\u2019ll get it out to you. Or you can write a check and mail it to us. Our mailing address is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, P O Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. Our zip code is 72223. And of course, if you write to us, make sure that you include a note that you\u2019d like the book on romance. Again, we\u2019re happy to send it out to you. We appreciate your partnership with us, and it\u2019s always great to hear from you. Dennis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s sure been a treat, Stephen, to have you with us. Stephen Mansfield has joined us, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. I\u2019m thrilled about your book, <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men.<\/em> I got that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>Hey!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mansfield\u2019s Manual. I think\u2014when it comes out in paperback, make it a manual! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I\u2019ll be like, \u201cI\u2019m going to have to, after this show.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, you\u2019re a kindred spirit. We hope you\u2019ll come back and join us again sometime and spend a little time with several thousand of our listeners here because I\u2019m sure they\u2019d benefit from it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen: <\/strong>I can\u2019t wait. Thank you very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I want to thank our engineer today for his assistance with our program. His name is Keith Lynch\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>He\u2019s a manly man!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>He is; and on behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. Hope you have a great weekend. Hope you can join us tomorrow for one of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> events. We\u2019ll see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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