{"id":302920,"date":"2014-01-30T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-01-30T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-mans-legacy\/"},"modified":"2014-01-30T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-01-30T17:00:00","slug":"a-mans-legacy","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-mans-legacy\/","title":{"rendered":"A Man&#8217;s Legacy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Men have been given a unique assignment. Trouble is, many men don&#8217;t know what that task is. Author Stephen Mansfield talks to Dennis Rainey about the unique attributes of manhood. Mansfield reflects on his own childhood with a military father, and takes us deeper into the lives of great men of history, like Winston Churchill and George Patton.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Men have been given a unique assignment. Trouble is, many men don&#8217;t know what that task is. 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Author Stephen Mansfield says there are too many guys chasing after masculine idols and finding life is empty on the other side. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I\u2019m telling you\u2014men need to realize that the thing they are trying to solve\u2014in the brothel, at the bottom of the bottle of whiskey, in the constant addiction to sports, whatever it is\u2014they\u2019re trying to answer something that can\u2019t be answered with any of those things. It\u2019s a need for God; but once they\u2019ve got God there, everything else becomes inflamed\u2014everything else becomes more exciting and thrilling. I think that\u2019s the missing piece, of course. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, January 30<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. What is the connection between walking with God and understanding masculinity? We\u2019re going to explore that subject today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition. And I guess you just decided we\u2019re going to just continue to be politically-incorrect this week; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mean talking about men and the unique assignments that men have? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know\u2014we live in a culture where people are going to say: \u201cAren\u2019t women supposed to be courageous? Aren\u2019t women supposed to be taking care of responsibilities, too?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Of course, they are! Of course, they are. But men have been given unique assignments. In fact, I was thinking of something that happened this morning with Barbara. You and I had a conversation with a young lady who was a feminist, and I was telling Barbara\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Used to be a feminist\u2014was a feminist; right? Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to make sure that our listeners understand where this story is going. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. Well, anyway, I was telling Barbara about this young lady\u2014and how this young man, who was going to Oxford with her\u2014how he was witnessing to her and really trying to help her understand what a true faith in Christ looked like. And one of the things he did that irritated her was he would walk between the traffic and her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told this story to Barbara. She said, \u201cI\u2019ll bet that won her heart.\u201d She said, \u201cIt may have made her mad, initially; but after a while, it had to call something out of her, as a woman, to be honored by a man because he was saying, \u2018I give my life for yours,\u2019\u2014a common courtesy.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we\u2019ve got a friend in the studio today who, I think, would agree that common courtesies need to be revived, along with the discussion of calling men to be manly men. Stephen Mansfield joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Great to be with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s written a book called <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. He\u2019s a <em>New York Times<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> bestselling author, speaker\u2014lives in Nashville and D.C. I\u2019m not sure how that works, but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I go to one to go crazy and to the other to get normal. That\u2019s how that works. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We won\u2019t ask you which one. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You knew when you wrote this book that there\u2019d be some heat in the marketplace from people who go, \u201cThis manhood stuff\u2014it\u2019s all macho stuff.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Sure. Sure, I\u2019ve had people say, \u201cIs this more Duck Commander stuff? Is this more barefoot\/pregnant in the kitchen?\u201d You know, in our generation, just to say that there\u2019s a difference between men and women is a big thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> And I do a lot on campuses; so, I\u2019ve already caught it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned, this week, that one of the things that make a man a man is that he reflects the glory of God. That means he\u2019s got to have a relationship with God. We kind of scooted by this. I want to know: \u201cHow did you meet God? How did He transform your life? Did you grow up in a Christian home, learning about God and the gospel? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> No, I did not. My\u2014I grew up in a military family. We went to military chapels\u2014some chaplains were good and shared the gospel; some didn\u2019t. I actually first began to have a real, serious sense of being born again in a FCA meeting when I was a football player in high school; but even then, I didn\u2019t really\u2014that wasn\u2019t really where it happened. Over the summer, before I was supposed to go play college football\u2014I was recruited to play at Iowa\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had a big moral failing. I said to God, \u201cIf you\u2019ll get me out of this, I\u2019ll do whatever you want.\u201d Then, the next day, an acceptance letter came from a Christian college. My mother had applied for me. I went. I got saved the third day on the campus of that Christian school\u2014so, a very unusual kind of background. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But how? How did you meet Christ on the campus? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, they knew they had a lot of non-Christian kids showing up on this Christian campus. The President just evangelized. He just said: \u201cListen. If you are here, it\u2019s got to be because you belong radically to Jesus Christ. You\u2019ve repented of your sins. He\u2019s taken up residence in your soul. You are born again. If that\u2019s not the case, let\u2019s fix that now.\u201d And I said, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s get to it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Prayed that God would forgive me of my sins. Prayed for Jesus to take up residence in my life and had a radical experience, right there on my knees. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But to the man or the woman who is listening to us right now, who doesn\u2019t have that relationship, it can be really summarized in one word\u2014surrender. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Surrender to Jesus Christ\u2014who He is\u2014He\u2019s alive from the dead. He defeated death. He died on the cross for your sins. He paid the price with God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tthat you could never pay on your own. That\u2019s how you become born again. That\u2019s how you get forgiven. That\u2019s how you, ultimately, take up residence in the family of God and you can be the man that God made\u2014or the woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I wonder, \u201cDo you think a guy can be manly and be agnostic or be an atheist?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I think he can be partially-manly; but I\u2019m\u2014my own understanding is I can\u2019t be fully the man I\u2019m made to be unless Jesus Christ is inside of me. He\u2019s the ultimate man. So, I want to take on His form\u2014His likeness\u2014can\u2019t do it unless He\u2019s living in me and by the power of the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the reasons I ask is because you point to a lot of people in your book\u2014you tell a lot of stories in <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em> about manly men. You talk about Winston Churchill\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014as a guy who represented the idea of legacy. Yet, as far as I can tell from Churchill\u2019s life, there wasn\u2019t a whole of Jesus in him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> The thing that I love about Churchill\u2014and the lesson of manhood that I learned from him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tis that his father hated him\u2014spoke ill of him constantly, would visit an official office two doors down from where Winston was going to school and wouldn\u2019t even visit his son, despite the fact his son was sending pleading letters home, all the time. When the man died, Winston said: \u201cWell, I am choosing not to surrender to the bitterness I could feel because I see what happens to my friends as they are bitter and angry about their fathers. I\u2019m going to pick up the sort of fallen gauntlet of my father\u2019s political career\u2014the values he gave himself to\u2014and I\u2019m going to carry on with them.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cMan, that\u2019s something like\u201d\u2014my father wasn\u2019t the best father in the world\u2014a military man, could be very harsh\/cutting; but you know what? I choose not to surrender in bitterness\u2014not to sit around, at 60, thinking about the fact he didn\u2019t play catch with me or whatever. I choose to continue his legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love that story because you really illustrate how Churchill refused to be a victim\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and defined by really the evil and abuse of his father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInstead, left a legacy of goodness and of leadership for a nation and the world that\u2014well, I think you refer to it, in your book, \u201cHe hoped his good would outstrip the curses of his father.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. And I want to say, too, that Churchill, nevertheless, suffered real depressions from the stuff that his father said to him. Even when he was prime minister, he wouldn\u2019t stay in a room with a balcony on it because he was afraid a depression might hit him and he might throw himself off. And still, he\u2019d get up the next morning and say, \u201cI\u2019m going to march on with the legacy of my father.\u201d So, you can choose \u201cto pull the diamonds from the dung hill,\u201d as we often say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the illustration of this is a great charge to every man listening to us today: \u201cLeave a legacy of goodness to the next generation.\u201d There\u2019s a tremendous need today, Stephen, for men to be caught up in this generational relay race of passing on goodness to future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> There\u2019s just no question. As a former pastor, I\u2019ve done a lot of funerals. I\u2019ve seen children stand there, at their father\u2019s grave, and just have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat? He\u2019s gone? I have nothing. I don\u2019t have a kind word. I don\u2019t have a legacy. I don\u2019t have any words spoken over my life or an example.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I\u2019ve seen fathers die earlier and tragically; but they had poured into their children: \u201cThis is what you are meant to be. This is what we, Smiths,\u201d or, \u201cwe, Joneses, are about throughout the generations. This is what God\u2019s called us to do.\u201d And those kids are weeping over the loss of their father, but they live something valiant and powerful from that moment forward. It\u2019s a transforming experience. I think we\u2019ve got to reclaim that art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And your book points out that every man has feet of clay. Churchill had feet of clay. We can pick up attributes from men with the realization that no man is perfect. You talk about George Patton in the book\u2014one of the guys that you say was a man who evidenced blessing. He blessed other men. And yet, we also know that he boxed a few men upside the head, too; right? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Now, there\u2019s a flawed man for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes, George Patton had affairs. George Patton wasn\u2019t appropriate with the use of his authority during World War II, <em>but<\/em> he knew a principle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe knew it from Scripture. He knew it from the classical literature. He knew it from his own family\u2014that there is a power in blessing. So, before he went off to command troops in World War II, he went and found General Pershing, who had been the lead general of World War I\u2014found him in the hospital in Washington, DC, knelt before him and said, \u201cBless me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGeneral Pershing\u2014I don\u2019t know where General Pershing was, spiritually. I\u2019m not sure anybody\u2019s really sure\u2014put his hand on his head and said, \u201cI bless you, Georgie. Go forth and\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it! Hold it! Hold it! He called him, \u201cGeorgie?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> He called him, \u201cGeorgie.\u201d That\u2019s right because when you\u2019re General Pershing, you can do that. [Laughter] The rest of us needed to just be quiet. And said, \u201cGo forth and be victorious.\u201d Well, of course, he was. None of that made anybody perfect. They both are flawed men, but that\u2019s the whole art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd a lot of men, I think, are sort of bound up in a perfectionism\u2014you know\u2014if we\u2019re not perfect men, we can\u2019t be great men. I study a lot of history. Sometimes, we had this statue-version of history\u2014with perfect, fell-from-the-womb perfect, flawless. Everybody\u2019s crazy. Everybody\u2019s a little cracked. Sin has made us all a little nuts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the greatest people, usually, are people who have overcome their flaws, not just somehow escaped them. So, I think it\u2019s a powerful lesson for men to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s a good word picture for us to grab hold of here\u2014that God takes broken pots\/broken clay vessels\u2014and He allows His glory to shine out through the cracks\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and impact those that he has a chance to influence\u2014regardless of where you\u2019ve come from, regardless of the mistakes you\u2019ve made with your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of a 62-year-old dad who went through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup><em>: Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em> series that we have. He was about to go through it a second time. As he went through it a second time, he said, \u201cThis time, I\u2019m going to take a young man with me who I know.\u201d He said: \u201cWhen I was a dad, I didn\u2019t do any of this stuff with my boys; but I\u2019ve gone to a single-parent mom in our church. I\u2019ve asked if I can take her son through this material\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> How wonderful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwith me.\u201d Now, there\u2019s a guy who didn\u2019t let the flaws, and the cracks, and his mistakes and errors paralyze him and shrink into depression or shrink back from the battle. Instead, he used it in a purposeful way to make a difference in a young man who probably needed an older man to believe in him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a lot of guys who, this Saturday, are going to be going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event for men that we\u2019ve put together in churches all around the country. They\u2019re going to be huddling up the day before the Super Bowl<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014going to be getting together to talk about manhood and what that means. <br><br>If you\u2019d like more information about where these events are being hosted\u2014if you\u2019d like to attend one\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. Find out more about the event that\u2019s taking place this Saturday\u2014again, in cities all across the country\u2014the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event for men\u2014where a lot of what we\u2019re talking about here is going to be reinforced\/talked about. Guys are going to get a chance to chew on it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And one of the things we talk about in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series is how men need to step up and be facing up to what God\u2019s got for them\u2014the vision\u2014the call of their lives. You grabbed a hold of this same concept, Stephen, in your book. You talk about the need for men to be on a quest. Explain what you mean by that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Men are made to be pursuing something large, and epic, and lifelong. Men are made to be about something beyond just the immediate. When they are only concerned or tethered to the immediate, that\u2019s when they get into porn and start creating adventures in affairs and everything. Men need to have a quest\u2014a purpose. I think that one of the things a certain scholar has told us is that when America lost its Christian moorings, men began to lose a divine vision for their lives. That\u2019s when they began to get into a lot of moral trouble. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what does that look like? Well, it\u2019s a matter of your calling. When you give your life, radically, to Jesus; and He begins to tell you what He\u2019s made you for\u2014indicate that\u2014you begin to live for that purpose. You begin to live for a family purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI come from a long line of military leaders. Well, now, I speak at the Pentagon. I lecture at the Naval Academy. I feel like I\u2019m fulfilling that, even though I\u2019ve never worn the uniform. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there is a bunch of sources for this; but I\u2019m telling you: \u201cMan is not meant just to live for the job, and go home, and watch TV. That will kill him and get him in trouble.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad you just said that because, earlier this morning, I sent an email to my entire family. We had a meeting that started, here at FamilyLife, early. Someone asked the question: \u201cDo you yearn for God?\u201d So, I sent it out to my family\u2014just the question. My son wrote me back. He said, \u201cIt\u2019s not \u2018if\u2019 you yearn for God, but \u2018where\u2019 you are yearning for God.\u201d He quoted G.K. Chesterton who said \u201cthat every man who knocks on the door of a brothel is knocking for God. The sad, yet, hopeful reality is that I usually find out about my yearnings\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cthrough my failures and\/or my attempts at control.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re exactly right. It\u2019s not, \u201cDo you yearn for God?\u201d It\u2019s, \u201cWhich god do you yearn for?\u201d Because we\u2019re all in pursuit of something; aren\u2019t we? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, Saint Augustine said it well. He said \u201cLord, our hearts were formed for You. Our hearts are restless until they find their rest in You.\u201d Men need to realize that the thing they are trying to solve\u2014in the brothel, at the bottom of the bottle of whiskey, in the constant addiction to sports, whatever it is\u2014they\u2019re trying to answer something that can\u2019t be answered with any of those things. It\u2019s a need for God; but once they\u2019ve got God there, everything else becomes inflamed\u2014everything else becomes more exciting and thrilling. I think that\u2019s the missing piece, of course. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is the idea in the culture that manhood means your emotions never leak out. Nobody ever sees them. You talk about that in the book. What\u2019s your take on that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I believe in an emotional life. I believe in having fully-whole emotions. The problem is that men are often made\u2014are urged to feel first before they act. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of what\u2019s been in men\u2019s ministries\u2014and no criticism. I\u2019m thankful for all of it\u2014has been: \u201cLet\u2019s get them feeling things. Then, they\u2019ll do things.\u201d I think men just need to do what they\u2019re supposed to do and give their lives radically to Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd one of the great promises in the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm is that He will restore our souls. And sure, we know we come from a generation or two, back, where everybody was shut down\u2014wouldn\u2019t talk about anything. It was kind of seen as feminine. Well, we don\u2019t want that, but we also don\u2019t want to turn the whole thing around where a man\u2019s got to have a feeling before he does something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there\u2019s a balance here. I usually just leave men alone with their emotions. I\u2019m not talking to you, emotionally. I\u2019m talking about the things you do. God will deal with your emotions and bring them into balance as time goes along. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What you are talking about is life being an adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> You bet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A man needs an adventure. I\u2019m going to tell you something\u2014I have\u2014not flawlessly\u2014but I\u2019ve attempted, over the last 43\/44 years, to follow Jesus Christ on an adventure that I cannot imagine where I would be today\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tat this point in my life, if I\u2019d followed the wrong god. He got my attention, and I followed <em>the<\/em> God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you tell a story about Jedidiah Smith. What do we owe to him about what he learned from his adventure? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Jedidiah Smith was a man who pretty much almost single-handedly opened up the West. He found more of the trails\u2014more of the paths\u2014more of the roads out West. I mean he\u2019s, virtually, the father of California. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Lewis and Clark combined? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Oh, very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Very much. And to read the stories\u2014just a little bit of it, I put in the book. He had a bear bite his scalp off, and he sewed it back himself. I mean, listen, all of us listening need to shut up because we are no man that compared to this guy. But he was a man who rode along on his horse\u2014singing psalms, and knew the Lord, and loved the Lord, and believed that God had made him a man. He sang songs praising God for manhood. But he lived that grand adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014when I read his story, I felt convicted. I said so in the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tthat I\u2019m living very much an airplane-sedan- airport kind of life because of what I do. I\u2019m going to breakthrough and do some things. I\u2019ll tell you who is helping me with that, by the way, is General Jerry Boykin. Now, I\u2019m thankful to have him as a mentor because when you\u2019ve got the commander of Delta Force saying, \u201cGet off your backside, Mansfield; and come moose hunting with us.\u201d I mean\u2014testosterone surges in your body! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Tough-sounding voice] Yeah! We\u2019re going to get Bob out there. We\u2019ve got to get Bob on the moose run! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> It\u2019s: \u201cCome on! Come on!\u201d [Laughter] General Boykin\u2014now, bear in mind\u2014commander of Delta Force. I mean, he\u2019s there\u2014at all the major military events for two or three decades. He retires at the age of 60-something. The next thing he does is bag a record moose in Colorado. Now, there is a man, baby! I\u2019m going to follow him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your dad, you said, was a military man\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014not a guy who showed a lot of emotion. You came to a point in your life where you recognized you needed to honor him\u2014to do the same thing for him that General Pershing did for Georgie Patton. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I did, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, in fact, you know what I\u2019m going to ask you to do. I want you to just take a couple of moments and just collect your thoughts because I want Bob, first of all, to tell men and, maybe, their wives\u2014this would make a great gift, by the way. It\u2019s a little early for Father\u2019s Day\u2014but maybe, look at it as a Valentine\u2019s gift for your husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Get this book, <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. Give it to your husband and let him join in the adventure and the journey. But here\u2019s what I\u2019d like to ask you to do. I\u2019d like to ask you, when we come back, to imagine your dad seated across the table right now. I know you wrote him a letter that honored him, but what I\u2019d like you to do is give him a verbal tribute of how he positively impacted your life. Would you like to do that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> While you gather your thoughts, let me encourage our listeners to get a copy of your book. You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. We have it in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order a copy of Stephen\u2019s book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention\u2014on our website, at FamilyLifeToday.com, we\u2019ve got more information about the big event\u2014day after tomorrow\u2014the Super Saturday one-day event for guys\u2014thousands of guys rallying on Saturday in locations, all across the country\u2014both in churches and we\u2019ve got a bunch of guys who are doing this with the at-home edition\u2014getting their sons together, or getting other guys together, and getting access to these videos and watching them at home\u2014getting the manuals delivered electronically, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how you can attend one of these events in your community or how you can have your own at-home <em>Stepping Up<\/em> Super Saturday event with a group of guys or with your sons, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. All the information you need is available right there. Again, the website\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLifeToday.com. If you have any questions, give us a call at 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd of course, we always want you to know we are grateful for your support of this ministry. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, like most of the programs you hear on this radio station\u2014we\u2019re listener-supported. It is folks, like you, who make this daily time together possible. You help us cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program when you make a donation, online, or when you call to make a donation, or mail us a check. We\u2019re grateful for your partnership with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d this month, for whatever you are able to do in support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by sending you a copy of a book Dennis and Barbara Rainey have written for couples called <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>\u2014how do you breathe some fresh air into your marriage relationship? We\u2019d love to send you a copy of this book. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tmake an online donation\u2014and the book is in the mail on its way to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can make a donation over the phone. If you do that, be sure to say, \u201cI\u2019d like a copy of the <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em> book,\u201d and we\u2019ll send that to you. Or you can mail a check to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Our mailing address is P O \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBox 7111, Little Rock, Arkansas\u2014Arkansas is \u201cA-R\u201d. The zip code is 72223. Jot us a note, if you would, and mention that you\u2019d like the book on romance. We\u2019ll be happy to send it to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, let me just say, \u201cThank you for your partnership with us,\u201d\u2014means a lot to us. We\u2019re grateful to be linked together with you in this ministry. Dennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m in need of going moose hunting, personally, Bob. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I knew this was just going to call out the musk in you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You want to go sing a song around the campfire. I want the campfire to be in a wilderness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing unmanly about singing a song around the campfire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing\u2014there isn\u2019t anything\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. We\u2019ve been talking to Stephen Mansfield, who has been thumping his chest here, and calling other men to step up and to be God\u2019s men. There was a moment when you decided you would honor your dad. And I\u2019ve kind of given you the assignment of giving your father a verbal tribute, here on the air. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou don\u2019t know this, but a number of years ago\u2014about 20 years ago\u2014I wrote a book called <em>The Tribute<\/em>. It was a book designed to equip adult children to take honor home to their parents instead of giving their parents a DustBuster<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and a pair of house slippers\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> \u2014Dockers<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for Christmas, or at the anniversary party, when they\u2019ve been married 25\/40\/50 years. Instead, write a tribute\u2014put it on a piece of paper, put it in a frame, and read it to therm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Can I just tell our listeners we\u2019re about to rerelease that book with a new title? It\u2019s going to be called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tbecause we think the Fifth Commandment is one a generation has forgotten. We\u2019re going to coach people on honoring your parents. That\u2019ll be coming out in the next couple of months. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, what we\u2019re going to do here is just allow you to imagine your dad\u2014is he still alive, by the way? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> No, he\u2019s dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But let\u2019s imagine, for a moment, that he is seated across the table. What I\u2019d like you to\u2014to give it your best shot at honoring him with a verbal tribute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s easy for me because my father\u2014and I\u2019ll speak directly to him in a moment\u2014my father, while not the most intimate man, was a <em>great<\/em> man. And I\u2019ve said to him many times: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, you were a war hero. You served your country at great risk and peril. You were honored in the military. You took care of our family. Dinner was at 6 o\u2019clock\u2014every evening, you were there. No sports\u2014no assignments\u2014unnecessary assignment\u2014kept you away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Never<\/em> did I wonder if you were striking my mother. Never did I wonder if the\u2014as some of my friends have had to\u2014that if my father was going to come into my room at night and do something inappropriate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou taught me principles of manhood. You loved me. When I was going through the worse time of my life, you said to me, \u201cYou will continue to rise,\u201d and that\u2019s become like the defining blessing of my adult years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if my dad was here today, I would say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, I could never have accomplished what I have without you. Your example, your words, your heroism in the military, the values you lived out, the way that you spoke to us as a family, the morality that you lived out, the ethics you taught in our home, the gentleness with which you loved each one of us when you were home\u2014all of that has been absolutely defining.\u00a0 I love you, and I\u2019m grateful you were my father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2014 FamilyLife. 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Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to make sure that our listeners understand where this story is going. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. Well, anyway, I was telling Barbara about this young lady\u2014and how this young man, who was going to Oxford with her\u2014how he was witnessing to her and really trying to help her understand what a true faith in Christ looked like. And one of the things he did that irritated her was he would walk between the traffic and her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI told this story to Barbara. She said, \u201cI\u2019ll bet that won her heart.\u201d She said, \u201cIt may have made her mad, initially; but after a while, it had to call something out of her, as a woman, to be honored by a man because he was saying, \u2018I give my life for yours,\u2019\u2014a common courtesy.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, we\u2019ve got a friend in the studio today who, I think, would agree that common courtesies need to be revived, along with the discussion of calling men to be manly men. Stephen Mansfield joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Great to be with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s written a book called <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. He\u2019s a <em>New York Times<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> bestselling author, speaker\u2014lives in Nashville and D.C. I\u2019m not sure how that works, but\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I go to one to go crazy and to the other to get normal. That\u2019s how that works. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We won\u2019t ask you which one. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You knew when you wrote this book that there\u2019d be some heat in the marketplace from people who go, \u201cThis manhood stuff\u2014it\u2019s all macho stuff.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Sure. Sure, I\u2019ve had people say, \u201cIs this more Duck Commander stuff? Is this more barefoot\/pregnant in the kitchen?\u201d You know, in our generation, just to say that there\u2019s a difference between men and women is a big thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> And I do a lot on campuses; so, I\u2019ve already caught it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned, this week, that one of the things that make a man a man is that he reflects the glory of God. That means he\u2019s got to have a relationship with God. We kind of scooted by this. I want to know: \u201cHow did you meet God? How did He transform your life? Did you grow up in a Christian home, learning about God and the gospel? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> No, I did not. My\u2014I grew up in a military family. We went to military chapels\u2014some chaplains were good and shared the gospel; some didn\u2019t. I actually first began to have a real, serious sense of being born again in a FCA meeting when I was a football player in high school; but even then, I didn\u2019t really\u2014that wasn\u2019t really where it happened. Over the summer, before I was supposed to go play college football\u2014I was recruited to play at Iowa\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had a big moral failing. I said to God, \u201cIf you\u2019ll get me out of this, I\u2019ll do whatever you want.\u201d Then, the next day, an acceptance letter came from a Christian college. My mother had applied for me. I went. I got saved the third day on the campus of that Christian school\u2014so, a very unusual kind of background. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But how? How did you meet Christ on the campus? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, they knew they had a lot of non-Christian kids showing up on this Christian campus. The President just evangelized. He just said: \u201cListen. If you are here, it\u2019s got to be because you belong radically to Jesus Christ. You\u2019ve repented of your sins. He\u2019s taken up residence in your soul. You are born again. If that\u2019s not the case, let\u2019s fix that now.\u201d And I said, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s get to it.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Prayed that God would forgive me of my sins. Prayed for Jesus to take up residence in my life and had a radical experience, right there on my knees. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But to the man or the woman who is listening to us right now, who doesn\u2019t have that relationship, it can be really summarized in one word\u2014surrender. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Surrender to Jesus Christ\u2014who He is\u2014He\u2019s alive from the dead. He defeated death. He died on the cross for your sins. He paid the price with God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tthat you could never pay on your own. That\u2019s how you become born again. That\u2019s how you get forgiven. That\u2019s how you, ultimately, take up residence in the family of God and you can be the man that God made\u2014or the woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I wonder, \u201cDo you think a guy can be manly and be agnostic or be an atheist?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I think he can be partially-manly; but I\u2019m\u2014my own understanding is I can\u2019t be fully the man I\u2019m made to be unless Jesus Christ is inside of me. He\u2019s the ultimate man. So, I want to take on His form\u2014His likeness\u2014can\u2019t do it unless He\u2019s living in me and by the power of the Holy Spirit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the reasons I ask is because you point to a lot of people in your book\u2014you tell a lot of stories in <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em> about manly men. You talk about Winston Churchill\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014as a guy who represented the idea of legacy. Yet, as far as I can tell from Churchill\u2019s life, there wasn\u2019t a whole of Jesus in him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> The thing that I love about Churchill\u2014and the lesson of manhood that I learned from him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tis that his father hated him\u2014spoke ill of him constantly, would visit an official office two doors down from where Winston was going to school and wouldn\u2019t even visit his son, despite the fact his son was sending pleading letters home, all the time. When the man died, Winston said: \u201cWell, I am choosing not to surrender to the bitterness I could feel because I see what happens to my friends as they are bitter and angry about their fathers. I\u2019m going to pick up the sort of fallen gauntlet of my father\u2019s political career\u2014the values he gave himself to\u2014and I\u2019m going to carry on with them.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, \u201cMan, that\u2019s something like\u201d\u2014my father wasn\u2019t the best father in the world\u2014a military man, could be very harsh\/cutting; but you know what? I choose not to surrender in bitterness\u2014not to sit around, at 60, thinking about the fact he didn\u2019t play catch with me or whatever. I choose to continue his legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love that story because you really illustrate how Churchill refused to be a victim\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and defined by really the evil and abuse of his father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInstead, left a legacy of goodness and of leadership for a nation and the world that\u2014well, I think you refer to it, in your book, \u201cHe hoped his good would outstrip the curses of his father.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. And I want to say, too, that Churchill, nevertheless, suffered real depressions from the stuff that his father said to him. Even when he was prime minister, he wouldn\u2019t stay in a room with a balcony on it because he was afraid a depression might hit him and he might throw himself off. And still, he\u2019d get up the next morning and say, \u201cI\u2019m going to march on with the legacy of my father.\u201d So, you can choose \u201cto pull the diamonds from the dung hill,\u201d as we often say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I think the illustration of this is a great charge to every man listening to us today: \u201cLeave a legacy of goodness to the next generation.\u201d There\u2019s a tremendous need today, Stephen, for men to be caught up in this generational relay race of passing on goodness to future generations. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> There\u2019s just no question. As a former pastor, I\u2019ve done a lot of funerals. I\u2019ve seen children stand there, at their father\u2019s grave, and just have\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat? He\u2019s gone? I have nothing. I don\u2019t have a kind word. I don\u2019t have a legacy. I don\u2019t have any words spoken over my life or an example.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I\u2019ve seen fathers die earlier and tragically; but they had poured into their children: \u201cThis is what you are meant to be. This is what we, Smiths,\u201d or, \u201cwe, Joneses, are about throughout the generations. This is what God\u2019s called us to do.\u201d And those kids are weeping over the loss of their father, but they live something valiant and powerful from that moment forward. It\u2019s a transforming experience. I think we\u2019ve got to reclaim that art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And your book points out that every man has feet of clay. Churchill had feet of clay. We can pick up attributes from men with the realization that no man is perfect. You talk about George Patton in the book\u2014one of the guys that you say was a man who evidenced blessing. He blessed other men. And yet, we also know that he boxed a few men upside the head, too; right? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Now, there\u2019s a flawed man for you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes, George Patton had affairs. George Patton wasn\u2019t appropriate with the use of his authority during World War II, <em>but<\/em> he knew a principle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe knew it from Scripture. He knew it from the classical literature. He knew it from his own family\u2014that there is a power in blessing. So, before he went off to command troops in World War II, he went and found General Pershing, who had been the lead general of World War I\u2014found him in the hospital in Washington, DC, knelt before him and said, \u201cBless me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGeneral Pershing\u2014I don\u2019t know where General Pershing was, spiritually. I\u2019m not sure anybody\u2019s really sure\u2014put his hand on his head and said, \u201cI bless you, Georgie. Go forth and\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hold it! Hold it! Hold it! He called him, \u201cGeorgie?!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> He called him, \u201cGeorgie.\u201d That\u2019s right because when you\u2019re General Pershing, you can do that. [Laughter] The rest of us needed to just be quiet. And said, \u201cGo forth and be victorious.\u201d Well, of course, he was. None of that made anybody perfect. They both are flawed men, but that\u2019s the whole art. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd a lot of men, I think, are sort of bound up in a perfectionism\u2014you know\u2014if we\u2019re not perfect men, we can\u2019t be great men. I study a lot of history. Sometimes, we had this statue-version of history\u2014with perfect, fell-from-the-womb perfect, flawless. Everybody\u2019s crazy. Everybody\u2019s a little cracked. Sin has made us all a little nuts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the greatest people, usually, are people who have overcome their flaws, not just somehow escaped them. So, I think it\u2019s a powerful lesson for men to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think that\u2019s a good word picture for us to grab hold of here\u2014that God takes broken pots\/broken clay vessels\u2014and He allows His glory to shine out through the cracks\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and impact those that he has a chance to influence\u2014regardless of where you\u2019ve come from, regardless of the mistakes you\u2019ve made with your kids.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking of a 62-year-old dad who went through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup><em>: Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em> series that we have. He was about to go through it a second time. As he went through it a second time, he said, \u201cThis time, I\u2019m going to take a young man with me who I know.\u201d He said: \u201cWhen I was a dad, I didn\u2019t do any of this stuff with my boys; but I\u2019ve gone to a single-parent mom in our church. I\u2019ve asked if I can take her son through this material\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> How wonderful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cwith me.\u201d Now, there\u2019s a guy who didn\u2019t let the flaws, and the cracks, and his mistakes and errors paralyze him and shrink into depression or shrink back from the battle. Instead, he used it in a purposeful way to make a difference in a young man who probably needed an older man to believe in him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We\u2019ve got a lot of guys who, this Saturday, are going to be going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event for men that we\u2019ve put together in churches all around the country. They\u2019re going to be huddling up the day before the Super Bowl<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>\u2014going to be getting together to talk about manhood and what that means. <br><br>If you\u2019d like more information about where these events are being hosted\u2014if you\u2019d like to attend one\u2014go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. Find out more about the event that\u2019s taking place this Saturday\u2014again, in cities all across the country\u2014the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event for men\u2014where a lot of what we\u2019re talking about here is going to be reinforced\/talked about. Guys are going to get a chance to chew on it a little bit. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And one of the things we talk about in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series is how men need to step up and be facing up to what God\u2019s got for them\u2014the vision\u2014the call of their lives. You grabbed a hold of this same concept, Stephen, in your book. You talk about the need for men to be on a quest. Explain what you mean by that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Men are made to be pursuing something large, and epic, and lifelong. Men are made to be about something beyond just the immediate. When they are only concerned or tethered to the immediate, that\u2019s when they get into porn and start creating adventures in affairs and everything. Men need to have a quest\u2014a purpose. I think that one of the things a certain scholar has told us is that when America lost its Christian moorings, men began to lose a divine vision for their lives. That\u2019s when they began to get into a lot of moral trouble. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, what does that look like? Well, it\u2019s a matter of your calling. When you give your life, radically, to Jesus; and He begins to tell you what He\u2019s made you for\u2014indicate that\u2014you begin to live for that purpose. You begin to live for a family purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI come from a long line of military leaders. Well, now, I speak at the Pentagon. I lecture at the Naval Academy. I feel like I\u2019m fulfilling that, even though I\u2019ve never worn the uniform. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there is a bunch of sources for this; but I\u2019m telling you: \u201cMan is not meant just to live for the job, and go home, and watch TV. That will kill him and get him in trouble.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m so glad you just said that because, earlier this morning, I sent an email to my entire family. We had a meeting that started, here at FamilyLife, early. Someone asked the question: \u201cDo you yearn for God?\u201d So, I sent it out to my family\u2014just the question. My son wrote me back. He said, \u201cIt\u2019s not \u2018if\u2019 you yearn for God, but \u2018where\u2019 you are yearning for God.\u201d He quoted G.K. Chesterton who said \u201cthat every man who knocks on the door of a brothel is knocking for God. The sad, yet, hopeful reality is that I usually find out about my yearnings\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cthrough my failures and\/or my attempts at control.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re exactly right. It\u2019s not, \u201cDo you yearn for God?\u201d It\u2019s, \u201cWhich god do you yearn for?\u201d Because we\u2019re all in pursuit of something; aren\u2019t we? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, Saint Augustine said it well. He said \u201cLord, our hearts were formed for You. Our hearts are restless until they find their rest in You.\u201d Men need to realize that the thing they are trying to solve\u2014in the brothel, at the bottom of the bottle of whiskey, in the constant addiction to sports, whatever it is\u2014they\u2019re trying to answer something that can\u2019t be answered with any of those things. It\u2019s a need for God; but once they\u2019ve got God there, everything else becomes inflamed\u2014everything else becomes more exciting and thrilling. I think that\u2019s the missing piece, of course. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is the idea in the culture that manhood means your emotions never leak out. Nobody ever sees them. You talk about that in the book. What\u2019s your take on that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I believe in an emotional life. I believe in having fully-whole emotions. The problem is that men are often made\u2014are urged to feel first before they act. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA lot of what\u2019s been in men\u2019s ministries\u2014and no criticism. I\u2019m thankful for all of it\u2014has been: \u201cLet\u2019s get them feeling things. Then, they\u2019ll do things.\u201d I think men just need to do what they\u2019re supposed to do and give their lives radically to Jesus. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd one of the great promises in the 23<sup>rd<\/sup> Psalm is that He will restore our souls. And sure, we know we come from a generation or two, back, where everybody was shut down\u2014wouldn\u2019t talk about anything. It was kind of seen as feminine. Well, we don\u2019t want that, but we also don\u2019t want to turn the whole thing around where a man\u2019s got to have a feeling before he does something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, there\u2019s a balance here. I usually just leave men alone with their emotions. I\u2019m not talking to you, emotionally. I\u2019m talking about the things you do. God will deal with your emotions and bring them into balance as time goes along. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What you are talking about is life being an adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> You bet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A man needs an adventure. I\u2019m going to tell you something\u2014I have\u2014not flawlessly\u2014but I\u2019ve attempted, over the last 43\/44 years, to follow Jesus Christ on an adventure that I cannot imagine where I would be today\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tat this point in my life, if I\u2019d followed the wrong god. He got my attention, and I followed <em>the<\/em> God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you tell a story about Jedidiah Smith. What do we owe to him about what he learned from his adventure? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Jedidiah Smith was a man who pretty much almost single-handedly opened up the West. He found more of the trails\u2014more of the paths\u2014more of the roads out West. I mean he\u2019s, virtually, the father of California. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Lewis and Clark combined? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Oh, very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Very much. And to read the stories\u2014just a little bit of it, I put in the book. He had a bear bite his scalp off, and he sewed it back himself. I mean, listen, all of us listening need to shut up because we are no man that compared to this guy. But he was a man who rode along on his horse\u2014singing psalms, and knew the Lord, and loved the Lord, and believed that God had made him a man. He sang songs praising God for manhood. But he lived that grand adventure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve got to tell you\u2014when I read his story, I felt convicted. I said so in the book\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tthat I\u2019m living very much an airplane-sedan- airport kind of life because of what I do. I\u2019m going to breakthrough and do some things. I\u2019ll tell you who is helping me with that, by the way, is General Jerry Boykin. Now, I\u2019m thankful to have him as a mentor because when you\u2019ve got the commander of Delta Force saying, \u201cGet off your backside, Mansfield; and come moose hunting with us.\u201d I mean\u2014testosterone surges in your body! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> [Tough-sounding voice] Yeah! We\u2019re going to get Bob out there. We\u2019ve got to get Bob on the moose run! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> It\u2019s: \u201cCome on! Come on!\u201d [Laughter] General Boykin\u2014now, bear in mind\u2014commander of Delta Force. I mean, he\u2019s there\u2014at all the major military events for two or three decades. He retires at the age of 60-something. The next thing he does is bag a record moose in Colorado. Now, there is a man, baby! I\u2019m going to follow him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your dad, you said, was a military man\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014not a guy who showed a lot of emotion. You came to a point in your life where you recognized you needed to honor him\u2014to do the same thing for him that General Pershing did for Georgie Patton. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I did, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, in fact, you know what I\u2019m going to ask you to do. I want you to just take a couple of moments and just collect your thoughts because I want Bob, first of all, to tell men and, maybe, their wives\u2014this would make a great gift, by the way. It\u2019s a little early for Father\u2019s Day\u2014but maybe, look at it as a Valentine\u2019s gift for your husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Get this book, <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. Give it to your husband and let him join in the adventure and the journey. But here\u2019s what I\u2019d like to ask you to do. I\u2019d like to ask you, when we come back, to imagine your dad seated across the table right now. I know you wrote him a letter that honored him, but what I\u2019d like you to do is give him a verbal tribute of how he positively impacted your life. Would you like to do that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> While you gather your thoughts, let me encourage our listeners to get a copy of your book. You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of <em>Mansfield\u2019s Book of Manly Men<\/em>. We have it in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can order, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to order a copy of Stephen\u2019s book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention\u2014on our website, at FamilyLifeToday.com, we\u2019ve got more information about the big event\u2014day after tomorrow\u2014the Super Saturday one-day event for guys\u2014thousands of guys rallying on Saturday in locations, all across the country\u2014both in churches and we\u2019ve got a bunch of guys who are doing this with the at-home edition\u2014getting their sons together, or getting other guys together, and getting access to these videos and watching them at home\u2014getting the manuals delivered electronically, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019d like more information about how you can attend one of these events in your community or how you can have your own at-home <em>Stepping Up<\/em> Super Saturday event with a group of guys or with your sons, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click on the link for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. All the information you need is available right there. Again, the website\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLifeToday.com. If you have any questions, give us a call at 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd of course, we always want you to know we are grateful for your support of this ministry. <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, like most of the programs you hear on this radio station\u2014we\u2019re listener-supported. It is folks, like you, who make this daily time together possible. You help us cover the cost of producing and syndicating this radio program when you make a donation, online, or when you call to make a donation, or mail us a check. We\u2019re grateful for your partnership with us. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d this month, for whatever you are able to do in support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by sending you a copy of a book Dennis and Barbara Rainey have written for couples called <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em>\u2014how do you breathe some fresh air into your marriage relationship? We\u2019d love to send you a copy of this book. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tmake an online donation\u2014and the book is in the mail on its way to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can make a donation over the phone. If you do that, be sure to say, \u201cI\u2019d like a copy of the <em>Rekindling the Romance<\/em> book,\u201d and we\u2019ll send that to you. Or you can mail a check to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Our mailing address is P O \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBox 7111, Little Rock, Arkansas\u2014Arkansas is \u201cA-R\u201d. The zip code is 72223. Jot us a note, if you would, and mention that you\u2019d like the book on romance. We\u2019ll be happy to send it to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, let me just say, \u201cThank you for your partnership with us,\u201d\u2014means a lot to us. We\u2019re grateful to be linked together with you in this ministry. Dennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I\u2019m in need of going moose hunting, personally, Bob. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I knew this was just going to call out the musk in you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You want to go sing a song around the campfire. I want the campfire to be in a wilderness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing unmanly about singing a song around the campfire. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There\u2019s nothing\u2014there isn\u2019t anything\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s exactly right. We\u2019ve been talking to Stephen Mansfield, who has been thumping his chest here, and calling other men to step up and to be God\u2019s men. There was a moment when you decided you would honor your dad. And I\u2019ve kind of given you the assignment of giving your father a verbal tribute, here on the air. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou don\u2019t know this, but a number of years ago\u2014about 20 years ago\u2014I wrote a book called <em>The Tribute<\/em>. It was a book designed to equip adult children to take honor home to their parents instead of giving their parents a DustBuster<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and a pair of house slippers\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> \u2014Dockers<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> or something. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014for Christmas, or at the anniversary party, when they\u2019ve been married 25\/40\/50 years. Instead, write a tribute\u2014put it on a piece of paper, put it in a frame, and read it to therm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Can I just tell our listeners we\u2019re about to rerelease that book with a new title? It\u2019s going to be called <em>The Forgotten Commandment<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tbecause we think the Fifth Commandment is one a generation has forgotten. We\u2019re going to coach people on honoring your parents. That\u2019ll be coming out in the next couple of months. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, what we\u2019re going to do here is just allow you to imagine your dad\u2014is he still alive, by the way? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> No, he\u2019s dead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But let\u2019s imagine, for a moment, that he is seated across the table. What I\u2019d like you to\u2014to give it your best shot at honoring him with a verbal tribute. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s easy for me because my father\u2014and I\u2019ll speak directly to him in a moment\u2014my father, while not the most intimate man, was a <em>great<\/em> man. And I\u2019ve said to him many times: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, you were a war hero. You served your country at great risk and peril. You were honored in the military. You took care of our family. Dinner was at 6 o\u2019clock\u2014every evening, you were there. No sports\u2014no assignments\u2014unnecessary assignment\u2014kept you away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Never<\/em> did I wonder if you were striking my mother. Never did I wonder if the\u2014as some of my friends have had to\u2014that if my father was going to come into my room at night and do something inappropriate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou taught me principles of manhood. You loved me. When I was going through the worse time of my life, you said to me, \u201cYou will continue to rise,\u201d and that\u2019s become like the defining blessing of my adult years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, if my dad was here today, I would say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDad, I could never have accomplished what I have without you. Your example, your words, your heroism in the military, the values you lived out, the way that you spoke to us as a family, the morality that you lived out, the ethics you taught in our home, the gentleness with which you loved each one of us when you were home\u2014all of that has been absolutely defining.\u00a0 I love you, and I\u2019m grateful you were my father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2014 FamilyLife. 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