{"id":302896,"date":"2014-01-03T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2014-01-03T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/exchanging-affections\/"},"modified":"2014-01-03T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2014-01-03T17:00:00","slug":"exchanging-affections","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/exchanging-affections\/","title":{"rendered":"Exchanging Affections"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sometimes the only way to fill an empty spot left by an old affection is to replace it with a greater affection. 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Among other things, it included a trip to the emergency room with her husband, Bob, who had apparently had a stroke.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>That was one of the scariest days of my life, being in the hospital, with Bob being pronounced as having a mini-stroke; and you know, not knowing, \u201cWill there be after-effects?\u201d That night, I go home. I go for a walk in the moonlight, and I just worshipped the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was choosing to do what Peter did. I was going to walk on the waves. We\u2019re not asked to walk on the waves, in the bright of the day, when the water\u2019s calm. We\u2019re asked to step out in the darkness when the waves are high. I just chose that. And the next several weeks were just fantastic\u2014still hard\u2014but fantastic as I was just walking on the waves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, January 3<sup>rd<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>1:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat does the Bible mean when it says that God is our Refuge and our Strength? Dannah Gresh talks about that today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there\u2019s a book that a Puritan writer wrote, a number of years ago, called <em>Expulsive Power of a New Affection<\/em>. It\u2019s the idea that, sometimes, the things that we attach our hopes and our dreams to will not satisfy. What we really need is a new affection. What we need is to find our life in Christ and the power of His love to cast out lesser loves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And, frankly, that\u2019s what changed my life, as a 20-year-old\u2014moving from my sophomore year in college to my junior year\u2014was I ran into a greater affection. And the love of God tracked me down and turned me away from myself\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>2:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tmaybe, better-said\u2014began the process of turning me away from myself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You\u2019re not completely there yet; are you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019m not done!\u00a0 But we have a guest with us today, who has written a book, really, that has a little different title than that Puritan writer. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>It\u2019s a similar thought, but\u2014you just called yours <em>Get Lost<\/em>; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>I just got to the heart of it. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Dannah Gresh joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Give us a thumbnail sketch of your book because I want to talk about how we do find God and how you instruct women to do that, in the book. First of all, explain your premise of what the book\u2019s all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s really about overcoming our tendencies to reach out for loves that aren\u2019t enough and to get lost in God\u2019s love. Being lost really connotates that you\u2019re absent from something\u2014absent from where you think you\u2019re supposed to be. In the context of this book, it\u2019s really being absent of yourself\u2014absent of your own ambitions, your own desires, your own plans, your own manipulations\u2014so that you can be overcome and overwhelmed with God\u2019s great plan for your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s a part of what Jesus commanded us to do in denying ourselves\u2014picking up our cross and following Him; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. And, the way that I do it\u2014the process I use\u2014is by asking the reader to submit to ten days of feasting on God\u2019s love. That\u2019s what I call it\u2014The Love Feast\u2014just feasting on His word \/ on worship. I give them meat each day for specific areas that we, as women, struggle in the areas of love. That means, for the single woman, to take guys off the table\u2014to stop feasting on the things that aren\u2019t going to, ultimately, fulfill you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just like if I were going to fast from carbs\u2014since I over-carb, from time to time. I start eating vegetables and broccoli. My body starts to become satisfied by the lettuce, and the broccoli, and the meat, and the healthy things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>4:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m able to get myself back in balance. That\u2019s what we need to do with our love-lives, I think\u2014feast on what is truly-nourishing to our souls so that we can have these other things\u2014these other gifts from God\u2014in proper balance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You really are talking, in this book, about how true love is found only and fully when we have our relationship with Jesus in first-place\u2014in the priority-spot in our lives. When that\u2019s a healthy relationship, it does cause the rest of life to\u2014not be perfect and not be idealized\u2014but it puts it all in the right perspective; doesn\u2019t it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>It does. You know, I\u2019ve just been through a real season of hardship. Having just released this book in April, and writing about getting lost in God\u2019s love, not only means that we have the benefits of seeing ourselves in His eyes and feeling empowered by His love, but we also have the courage to face the sacrifices that He calls us to make. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the courage to trust Him in the darkest of times. I\u2019d just written about that. I\u2019ve certainly done it many times in my life\u2014as all three of us have\u2014but to release the book, and to be in this place of promoting the book, and doing radio interviews, and writing blogs, and then, go through a season of God saying: \u201cOkay, do you really trust Me? Am I truly your Friend? because we\u2019re going to test that out,\u201d was really hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How has it been tested for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, first, you should know that I knew and I have known, many times, that God\u2019s Spirit is my Friend. I write in the book about getting lost in His friendship. Many people know when Jesus introduced the Holy Spirit to the church. He said this\u2014He said, \u201cI will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the word, Comforter, there was the Greek word, <em>Paraclete<\/em>. It means \u201cFriend\u201d\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to give you another Friend.\u201d\u00a0 But, so many times, I don\u2019t think we think of God\u2014the friendship of God\u2014necessarily, as being comfort\u2014but that\u2019s what His intention was there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis summer\u2014I have three great kids. I have an awesome husband\u2014I have this fantastic, burgeoning ministry, Secret Keeper Girl, going across the nation. Our biggest problem is: \u201cHow do we manage the growth?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI live on a little farm\u201410-acre farm. It\u2019s what I\u2019ve dreamed of my whole life\u2014to have a horse. I have two beautiful horses, and fainting goats, and peacocks that come up on the deck and get peanuts every day. It\u2019s just heaven. I\u2019ve been saying for two years: \u201cThis is just too perfect. It\u2019s just too perfect.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, shortly after I released the book, it just all started to fall apart. I want to preface this by saying that many people, listening, are in full-out hurricanes in their lives, right now. What I\u2019m going to describe is not that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI haven\u2019t faced the horrible loss of a spouse or a child. I\u2019m not facing bankruptcy, or debt\u2014divorce. There are so many much deeper, painful things than what I\u2019ve been through; but there are seasons where it\u2019s just a lot of little things. It was just that. There was a deep betrayal in our ministry. I came into a season of\u2014hopeful, summer of rest\u2014instead, I was working, along with my husband, 12- and 16-hour days to compensate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was tired, but I was trusting the Lord. I was living out the truth of this book, and I felt this peace. Then, our sweet Lexi was just sick all the time\u2014tired\/fatigued. We still don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with her. She\u2019s been to every doctor you can imagine \/ every specialist you can imagine. \u201cThere is nothing okay,\u201d\u2014in a mama\u2019s heart\u2014you would think\u2014when your baby\u2019s sick and nobody knows what\u2019s wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>And then, in the middle of that, my husband has a mini-stroke. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just like: \u201cReally, Lord, this is bad timing! Could this happen at another time?\u201d But I want you to know\u2014that was one of the scariest times of my life, being in the hospital, with Bob being pronounced as having a mini-stroke. You know\u2014not knowing, \u201cWill there be after-effects?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that night\u2014Bob\u2019s in the hospital. I go home. I go for a walk in the moonlight, and I just worship the Lord. I was choosing to do what Peter did\u2014I was going to walk on the waves. We\u2019re not asked to walk on the waves, in the bright of the day, when the water\u2019s calm. We\u2019re asked to step out in the darkness, when the waves are high. I just chose that. The next several weeks were just fantastic\u2014still hard\u2014but fantastic, as I was just walking on the waves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, my last baby left. I became an empty-nester.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>And oh, my goodness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You got fired; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>It felt like that\u2014I mean, I just\u2014my life was just sucked out of me. Purpose was just sucked out of me. I\u2019ve always thought I was going to be the mom that hit empty nests and be like: \u201cYay!! I put the dishes away in the right place, and they never did!\u201d\u2014you know? I love my independence, and I love being alone, and I just thought I\u2019d be okay. I wasn\u2019t okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd just 24 hours after my last baby got on a plane and left, our sweet puppy, our eight-year-old dog, suddenly, just died. And that was it. The wave-walker sunk that day because that was just the door that all the grief could come out through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHaving read Barbara\u2019s book on empty-nesters, I knew that you\u2019re supposed to take a vacation when all the children leave and kind of recalibrate. So, that day\u2014that the dog died, we were scheduled\u2014I can\u2019t even call her \u201cthe dog\u201d\u2014she\u2019s Stormy\u2014like, she\u2019s not the dog\u2014she\u2019s Stormy. She was a member of our family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Bob and I got in the car, anyway\u2014both of us crying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That was the day you left to get away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>That was the day scheduled for our vacation. And we just cried for a week. We just took turns crying. There were times when the grief\u2014it comes in waves. The waves are just so high and so suffocating. You can\u2019t breathe under them. I can\u2019t imagine what it\u2019s like for someone, right now, listening, who that grief is a much greater grief\u2014what their walk is like right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I have to tell you that, for about three weeks, I didn\u2019t believe what was in this book. I didn\u2019t believe that getting lost in God\u2014and His sacrifice and in His comfort\u2014was possible. It hurt just too deeply. Again, none of these were big storms\u2014there were just too many of them at one time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, guys, one day, I walked into the house; and there was a snake behind my sofa! I\u2019m not even telling you half the stuff. It was just the season of trial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what I asked on the vacation? \u201cGod, how can You make this work together for good? I don\u2019t believe that You can. How can You make this summer of hard stuff work together for good? How can You make the timing\u2014why was my sweet furry friend lost the day after my nest was empty?\u201d I just didn\u2019t believe it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I chose to do what Peter did\u2014and that is when he sunk. I reached out; and I said: \u201cI can\u2019t walk on this. So, will you hold me up?\u201d I thought so much about John the Baptist\u2014in the prison when he was about to be beheaded\u2014because he proclaimed the truth about who Jesus was. He sends a message. He says, \u201cAre you really Him?\u201d In his moment of martyrdom, he questions. I thought, \u201cOkay, if John can question, I can question.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just kept sending God questions: \u201cAre You good? Are You good in this? Will I be okay?\u201d Then, I remembered that I had written the words\u2014that we\u2019re supposed to trust Him when what happens in our lives isn\u2019t what we desire\u2014and nothing about this summer was anything I desired. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 73 says, \u201cWho have I in heaven but You, and earth has nothing I desire besides You.\u201d I had to say, \u201cLord, You are enough.\u201d Just like I did, as a 20-year-old in college, \u201cYou are enough.\u201d Here\u2019s where it turned for me. I was keeping a list. We tend to keep a list during hard times of all the things that are wrong; right? \u201cMy sweet puppy\u2019s gone. My kids are gone. I\u2019ve been betrayed.\u201d God said: \u201cYou\u2019re keeping the wrong list. Can you not see everything I\u2019ve done for you in the last three or four weeks?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to confess to you that I just wrote this list three days ago\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tbut I sat down. I began to write a list of all the things that I could thank God for\u2014and I could thank Him. I could say, \u201cThank you, Lord, that though the doctors don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with my baby, You are a Great Physician who loves her more than any of us do; and You know.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore I knew it, I had covered pages in my journal of thanks. All I can say is this\u2014that when it says that He is our Comforter, it is true\u2014because I sat down, at the end of several weeks of deep darkness\u2014and when I wrote that list, I stood up; and I was okay. I knew what it was like to experience joy and peace in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve just been walking, in these last few days, of a certainty that what I\u2019ve written in this book is so true. It\u2019s great that I\u2019ve learned it so many times through the years\u2014but to be able to present the book to someone\u2014in their hurt, and their wound, and their sacrifice\u2014and to say: \u201cIt\u2019s true. I know it\u2019s true because I\u2019m walking in it right now.\u201d As you\u2019ve said, getting lost in God doesn\u2019t mean everything\u2019s going to be okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Everything in my life, right now, is not okay; but I\u2019m okay because He\u2019s enough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What I love about that story is\u2014it reminds us that it\u2019s okay, as a follower of Jesus Christ, to doubt\u2014even go a step beyond doubt. You said this twice\u2014you said you didn\u2019t believe\u2014which is a step beyond doubt. You stopped believing, and we have those moments. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s face it\u2014we do have those moments when feelings take over, when we forget who God is\u2014we forget what He\u2019s done. We haven\u2019t rehearsed how He\u2019s blessed us\u2014how He\u2019s given to us. There ought to be comfort for those who have stepped out of the boat and sunk. He knows who we are. He knows how frail we are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s interesting\u2014Dannah\u2014one of the hardest summers Barbara and I have ever had, in our 41 years of marriage\u2014was when we became empty-nesters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had just finished a season that\u2014if it wasn\u2019t a hurricane, it was tropical-forest winds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Or a lot of tornados.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I mean, it wasn\u2019t minor stuff. He meets us at our point of unbelief\u2014at our point of doubt\u2014and He\u2019s pursuing us. And that\u2019s what you just reminded us of\u2014the Holy Spirit is there. He hasn\u2019t left you. He won\u2019t leave you\u2014if you\u2019re a true follower of Christ\u2014if you\u2019ve placed your faith in Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what happened in your life. I can just tell you\u2014having watched my wife go through a deep struggle, coming out of the empty-nest\u2014that, although, there\u2019s rich blessings in raising kids\u2014there\u2019s also some phenomenal blessings on the other side\u2014as you and Bob share a vision, together, for the rest of your lives. He\u2019s not done with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Amen. I need to hear that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, back to the thesis of what you\u2019re writing to women about in this book\u2014we\u2019re talking about how our life is in better alignment when we have our relationship with God in the priority position. You start the book by talking about being boy-crazy and how you had put your relationship with Bob ahead of your relationship with God, as a young woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally, all of life is this constant battle to keep other things clear. I think of the fact that John ends his first epistle with the one statement, \u201cLittle children, keep yourself from idols,\u201d\u2014which seems like a funny last line to a letter; especially, when you\u2019re writing to people, in the first century, who didn\u2019t have little engraved statues around the house. But this issue of idolatry is what robs us of joy, and purpose, and meaning. Yet, it\u2019s so easy to let things slide in because things advertise themselves as newer, better, faster, shinier: \u201cThis will bring the peace and joy to your life that you don\u2019t have today;\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Yes; they do. The confusing, hard thing about it all is\u2014He is the giver of good gifts and that every good and perfect gift comes from God the Father. What we can\u2019t do\u2014in our seasons of embracing His plan, which, sometimes, requires sacrifice\u2014and embracing His desire, even when it hurts, it takes you through hard times, and loss, and sacrifice\u2014is forget that. And I did\u2014during this past trial. I forgot that He was a good giver of gifts. I kind of got into a place of false martyrdom\u2014where I wasn\u2019t useful for the kingdom because I was just so busy licking my wounds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, in the middle of all this, I\u2019m crying. My husband said: \u201cIt\u2019s just going to take time, baby. We just need time;\u201d and I said: \u201cNo! I think we need a puppy.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>On the way home from our vacation\u2014which was really a mourning of releasing our children and also establishing vision for: \u201cWhat is the future?\u201d\u2014we picked up a puppy. You know, that puppy is, to me\u2014you could just stamp a Bible verse on him because he is a reminder, to me, that, even in our hard times, God is the Giver of all good things. We can never stop praising Him because, even in the hardest of times, there\u2019s <em>something<\/em> that we can thank Him for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You wrap up your book by telling the story of a woman named Katie Meyers. You talk about what it means to be lost in God\u2019s proposal. You start your pursuit of God by saying\u2014inviting Him to come near, to draw near, to come get you. You end your ten-day journey in drawing closer to God with God\u2019s proposal. What is that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s really that invitation that He makes for us to join our lives with Him and spend our lives with Him. For Katie Meyers\u2014I met Katie in a diner. She was a Penn State student, who\u2019d read one of my books. She was boy-crazy, and her heart was broken by it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I met her at this diner, she talked the language of the church; but God just kept saying, in His Spirit, because the Spirit is so alive and well in me: \u201cTell her about Nicodemus.\u201d I thought: \u201cBut she\u2019s already born again. She already knows about that.\u201d \u201cNo, no, no. Tell her about Nicodemus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so I said, \u201cKatie, I want to read a story to you.\u201d I read her the story of Nicodemus. She said, \u201cWhat does it mean to be born again?\u201d I thought: \u201cAre you kidding me? She\u2019s talking the language of the church\u2014she\u2019s a youth leader. She goes to church\u2014Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. She\u2019s active in her ministry on campus. What?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that night, she came to know Jesus. Katie said to me, just weeks later: \u201cYou know, Jesus proposed to me that night. He asked me to spend my life with Him.\u201d Katie ended up being this phenomenal missionary, who went to the uttermost ends of the earth\u2014spending herself because she was God-crazy, not boy-crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHer story is just so great. It was a sacrifice for her to choose that. She wanted to be loved by a guy, but being loved by Jesus was enough. That\u2019s the proposal He makes to us. It\u2019s a proposal He makes to me, as a middle-aged woman\u2014as I faced loss and heartache this summer. But I still understand that the glory of my life is spending it with Jesus\u2014not Bob, not my kids, not my ministry\u2014but whatever He calls me to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Not even your puppy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Not even my puppy. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Even though he has a Bible verse stamped on his\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what you\u2019re saying, though, is so right because all of life is really one long process of losses. Now, there are gains along the way\u2014tons of gains\u2014but there are a lot of losses in life. We start out so idealistic about, maybe, our marriage, our family, our kids, or relationships. I think God is removing our hope from being things that we see to moving our heart to trusting things we don\u2019t see. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you\u2019re talking about is a realignment of where your hope is: \u201cAre you placing it in God?\u201d It is okay to go through unbelief. It is okay to doubt, but what you need to do is not get controlled or defined by your circumstances. If there\u2019s anything that irritates me about myself\u2014is how quickly my life can be defined by my circumstances or by my emotions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Scriptures call us out of that. The Scriptures call us to believe God is there\u2014He\u2019s at work. You don\u2019t know all that He\u2019s up to, in the circumstances you\u2019re facing; but you are called, in the midst of that, to trust in Him. There\u2019s faith in becoming a Christian. There\u2019s faith in being a Christian. You can\u2019t live the Christian life without faith. That\u2019s really what you\u2019re calling people to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just appreciate you being on our broadcast and challenging our listeners to make sure they\u2019re getting lost in the right thing\u2014and not getting lost in stuff, or in lesser loyalties, or in lesser affections. Dannah, thanks for sharing your journey with us. We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>My privilege.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll just mention, here, that we\u2019ve got copies of your latest book, which is called <em>Get Lost<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about how to get a copy of Dannah\u2019s book, <em>Get Lost<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY: 1-800-358-6329. That is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we wrap up the first few days of the new year\u2014and this kind of the end of the holiday season\u2014we want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those of you who made an end-of-the-year contribution to the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We could not do what we do without folks, like you, pitching in. We appreciate the many listeners who got in touch with us and made a contribution as 2013 was coming to a close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are still getting some checks in the mail and waiting to process all of this before we can give you a final count on how things went, but we are grateful for your financial support. We look forward to a great 2014 together. We have a lot planned; and we hope you\u2019ll be right there, alongside of us, throughout the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo again, thanks for your financial support. We appreciate hearing from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. 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It\u2019s the idea that, sometimes, the things that we attach our hopes and our dreams to will not satisfy. What we really need is a new affection. What we need is to find our life in Christ and the power of His love to cast out lesser loves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And, frankly, that\u2019s what changed my life, as a 20-year-old\u2014moving from my sophomore year in college to my junior year\u2014was I ran into a greater affection. 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Give us a thumbnail sketch of your book because I want to talk about how we do find God and how you instruct women to do that, in the book. First of all, explain your premise of what the book\u2019s all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s really about overcoming our tendencies to reach out for loves that aren\u2019t enough and to get lost in God\u2019s love. Being lost really connotates that you\u2019re absent from something\u2014absent from where you think you\u2019re supposed to be. In the context of this book, it\u2019s really being absent of yourself\u2014absent of your own ambitions, your own desires, your own plans, your own manipulations\u2014so that you can be overcome and overwhelmed with God\u2019s great plan for your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>3:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It\u2019s a part of what Jesus commanded us to do in denying ourselves\u2014picking up our cross and following Him; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right. And, the way that I do it\u2014the process I use\u2014is by asking the reader to submit to ten days of feasting on God\u2019s love. That\u2019s what I call it\u2014The Love Feast\u2014just feasting on His word \/ on worship. I give them meat each day for specific areas that we, as women, struggle in the areas of love. 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Having just released this book in April, and writing about getting lost in God\u2019s love, not only means that we have the benefits of seeing ourselves in His eyes and feeling empowered by His love, but we also have the courage to face the sacrifices that He calls us to make. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>5:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have the courage to trust Him in the darkest of times. I\u2019d just written about that. I\u2019ve certainly done it many times in my life\u2014as all three of us have\u2014but to release the book, and to be in this place of promoting the book, and doing radio interviews, and writing blogs, and then, go through a season of God saying: \u201cOkay, do you really trust Me? Am I truly your Friend? because we\u2019re going to test that out,\u201d was really hard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>How has it been tested for you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, first, you should know that I knew and I have known, many times, that God\u2019s Spirit is my Friend. I write in the book about getting lost in His friendship. Many people know when Jesus introduced the Holy Spirit to the church. He said this\u2014He said, \u201cI will pray to the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you forever.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>6:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the word, Comforter, there was the Greek word, <em>Paraclete<\/em>. It means \u201cFriend\u201d\u2014\u201cI\u2019m going to give you another Friend.\u201d\u00a0 But, so many times, I don\u2019t think we think of God\u2014the friendship of God\u2014necessarily, as being comfort\u2014but that\u2019s what His intention was there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis summer\u2014I have three great kids. I have an awesome husband\u2014I have this fantastic, burgeoning ministry, Secret Keeper Girl, going across the nation. Our biggest problem is: \u201cHow do we manage the growth?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI live on a little farm\u201410-acre farm. It\u2019s what I\u2019ve dreamed of my whole life\u2014to have a horse. I have two beautiful horses, and fainting goats, and peacocks that come up on the deck and get peanuts every day. It\u2019s just heaven. I\u2019ve been saying for two years: \u201cThis is just too perfect. It\u2019s just too perfect.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, shortly after I released the book, it just all started to fall apart. I want to preface this by saying that many people, listening, are in full-out hurricanes in their lives, right now. What I\u2019m going to describe is not that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>7:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI haven\u2019t faced the horrible loss of a spouse or a child. I\u2019m not facing bankruptcy, or debt\u2014divorce. There are so many much deeper, painful things than what I\u2019ve been through; but there are seasons where it\u2019s just a lot of little things. It was just that. There was a deep betrayal in our ministry. I came into a season of\u2014hopeful, summer of rest\u2014instead, I was working, along with my husband, 12- and 16-hour days to compensate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was tired, but I was trusting the Lord. I was living out the truth of this book, and I felt this peace. Then, our sweet Lexi was just sick all the time\u2014tired\/fatigued. We still don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with her. She\u2019s been to every doctor you can imagine \/ every specialist you can imagine. \u201cThere is nothing okay,\u201d\u2014in a mama\u2019s heart\u2014you would think\u2014when your baby\u2019s sick and nobody knows what\u2019s wrong.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>And then, in the middle of that, my husband has a mini-stroke. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>8:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just like: \u201cReally, Lord, this is bad timing! Could this happen at another time?\u201d But I want you to know\u2014that was one of the scariest times of my life, being in the hospital, with Bob being pronounced as having a mini-stroke. You know\u2014not knowing, \u201cWill there be after-effects?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that night\u2014Bob\u2019s in the hospital. I go home. I go for a walk in the moonlight, and I just worship the Lord. I was choosing to do what Peter did\u2014I was going to walk on the waves. We\u2019re not asked to walk on the waves, in the bright of the day, when the water\u2019s calm. We\u2019re asked to step out in the darkness, when the waves are high. I just chose that. The next several weeks were just fantastic\u2014still hard\u2014but fantastic, as I was just walking on the waves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then, my last baby left. I became an empty-nester.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Oh, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>And oh, my goodness.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You got fired; didn\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>9:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>It felt like that\u2014I mean, I just\u2014my life was just sucked out of me. Purpose was just sucked out of me. I\u2019ve always thought I was going to be the mom that hit empty nests and be like: \u201cYay!! I put the dishes away in the right place, and they never did!\u201d\u2014you know? I love my independence, and I love being alone, and I just thought I\u2019d be okay. I wasn\u2019t okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd just 24 hours after my last baby got on a plane and left, our sweet puppy, our eight-year-old dog, suddenly, just died. And that was it. The wave-walker sunk that day because that was just the door that all the grief could come out through. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHaving read Barbara\u2019s book on empty-nesters, I knew that you\u2019re supposed to take a vacation when all the children leave and kind of recalibrate. So, that day\u2014that the dog died, we were scheduled\u2014I can\u2019t even call her \u201cthe dog\u201d\u2014she\u2019s Stormy\u2014like, she\u2019s not the dog\u2014she\u2019s Stormy. She was a member of our family. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>10:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd Bob and I got in the car, anyway\u2014both of us crying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That was the day you left to get away.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>That was the day scheduled for our vacation. And we just cried for a week. We just took turns crying. There were times when the grief\u2014it comes in waves. The waves are just so high and so suffocating. You can\u2019t breathe under them. I can\u2019t imagine what it\u2019s like for someone, right now, listening, who that grief is a much greater grief\u2014what their walk is like right now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I have to tell you that, for about three weeks, I didn\u2019t believe what was in this book. I didn\u2019t believe that getting lost in God\u2014and His sacrifice and in His comfort\u2014was possible. It hurt just too deeply. Again, none of these were big storms\u2014there were just too many of them at one time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>11:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, guys, one day, I walked into the house; and there was a snake behind my sofa! I\u2019m not even telling you half the stuff. It was just the season of trial. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know what I asked on the vacation? \u201cGod, how can You make this work together for good? I don\u2019t believe that You can. How can You make this summer of hard stuff work together for good? How can You make the timing\u2014why was my sweet furry friend lost the day after my nest was empty?\u201d I just didn\u2019t believe it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I chose to do what Peter did\u2014and that is when he sunk. I reached out; and I said: \u201cI can\u2019t walk on this. So, will you hold me up?\u201d I thought so much about John the Baptist\u2014in the prison when he was about to be beheaded\u2014because he proclaimed the truth about who Jesus was. He sends a message. He says, \u201cAre you really Him?\u201d In his moment of martyrdom, he questions. I thought, \u201cOkay, if John can question, I can question.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>12:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just kept sending God questions: \u201cAre You good? Are You good in this? Will I be okay?\u201d Then, I remembered that I had written the words\u2014that we\u2019re supposed to trust Him when what happens in our lives isn\u2019t what we desire\u2014and nothing about this summer was anything I desired. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPsalm 73 says, \u201cWho have I in heaven but You, and earth has nothing I desire besides You.\u201d I had to say, \u201cLord, You are enough.\u201d Just like I did, as a 20-year-old in college, \u201cYou are enough.\u201d Here\u2019s where it turned for me. I was keeping a list. We tend to keep a list during hard times of all the things that are wrong; right? \u201cMy sweet puppy\u2019s gone. My kids are gone. I\u2019ve been betrayed.\u201d God said: \u201cYou\u2019re keeping the wrong list. Can you not see everything I\u2019ve done for you in the last three or four weeks?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have to confess to you that I just wrote this list three days ago\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>13:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tbut I sat down. I began to write a list of all the things that I could thank God for\u2014and I could thank Him. I could say, \u201cThank you, Lord, that though the doctors don\u2019t know what\u2019s wrong with my baby, You are a Great Physician who loves her more than any of us do; and You know.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBefore I knew it, I had covered pages in my journal of thanks. All I can say is this\u2014that when it says that He is our Comforter, it is true\u2014because I sat down, at the end of several weeks of deep darkness\u2014and when I wrote that list, I stood up; and I was okay. I knew what it was like to experience joy and peace in the Lord. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve just been walking, in these last few days, of a certainty that what I\u2019ve written in this book is so true. It\u2019s great that I\u2019ve learned it so many times through the years\u2014but to be able to present the book to someone\u2014in their hurt, and their wound, and their sacrifice\u2014and to say: \u201cIt\u2019s true. I know it\u2019s true because I\u2019m walking in it right now.\u201d As you\u2019ve said, getting lost in God doesn\u2019t mean everything\u2019s going to be okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>14:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Everything in my life, right now, is not okay; but I\u2019m okay because He\u2019s enough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What I love about that story is\u2014it reminds us that it\u2019s okay, as a follower of Jesus Christ, to doubt\u2014even go a step beyond doubt. You said this twice\u2014you said you didn\u2019t believe\u2014which is a step beyond doubt. You stopped believing, and we have those moments. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet\u2019s face it\u2014we do have those moments when feelings take over, when we forget who God is\u2014we forget what He\u2019s done. We haven\u2019t rehearsed how He\u2019s blessed us\u2014how He\u2019s given to us. There ought to be comfort for those who have stepped out of the boat and sunk. He knows who we are. He knows how frail we are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd it\u2019s interesting\u2014Dannah\u2014one of the hardest summers Barbara and I have ever had, in our 41 years of marriage\u2014was when we became empty-nesters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>15:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had just finished a season that\u2014if it wasn\u2019t a hurricane, it was tropical-forest winds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Or a lot of tornados.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes. I mean, it wasn\u2019t minor stuff. He meets us at our point of unbelief\u2014at our point of doubt\u2014and He\u2019s pursuing us. And that\u2019s what you just reminded us of\u2014the Holy Spirit is there. He hasn\u2019t left you. He won\u2019t leave you\u2014if you\u2019re a true follower of Christ\u2014if you\u2019ve placed your faith in Him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s what happened in your life. I can just tell you\u2014having watched my wife go through a deep struggle, coming out of the empty-nest\u2014that, although, there\u2019s rich blessings in raising kids\u2014there\u2019s also some phenomenal blessings on the other side\u2014as you and Bob share a vision, together, for the rest of your lives. He\u2019s not done with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Amen. I need to hear that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>16:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You know, back to the thesis of what you\u2019re writing to women about in this book\u2014we\u2019re talking about how our life is in better alignment when we have our relationship with God in the priority position. You start the book by talking about being boy-crazy and how you had put your relationship with Bob ahead of your relationship with God, as a young woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally, all of life is this constant battle to keep other things clear. I think of the fact that John ends his first epistle with the one statement, \u201cLittle children, keep yourself from idols,\u201d\u2014which seems like a funny last line to a letter; especially, when you\u2019re writing to people, in the first century, who didn\u2019t have little engraved statues around the house. But this issue of idolatry is what robs us of joy, and purpose, and meaning. Yet, it\u2019s so easy to let things slide in because things advertise themselves as newer, better, faster, shinier: \u201cThis will bring the peace and joy to your life that you don\u2019t have today;\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>17:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Yes; they do. The confusing, hard thing about it all is\u2014He is the giver of good gifts and that every good and perfect gift comes from God the Father. What we can\u2019t do\u2014in our seasons of embracing His plan, which, sometimes, requires sacrifice\u2014and embracing His desire, even when it hurts, it takes you through hard times, and loss, and sacrifice\u2014is forget that. And I did\u2014during this past trial. I forgot that He was a good giver of gifts. I kind of got into a place of false martyrdom\u2014where I wasn\u2019t useful for the kingdom because I was just so busy licking my wounds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, in the middle of all this, I\u2019m crying. My husband said: \u201cIt\u2019s just going to take time, baby. We just need time;\u201d and I said: \u201cNo! I think we need a puppy.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>18:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>On the way home from our vacation\u2014which was really a mourning of releasing our children and also establishing vision for: \u201cWhat is the future?\u201d\u2014we picked up a puppy. You know, that puppy is, to me\u2014you could just stamp a Bible verse on him because he is a reminder, to me, that, even in our hard times, God is the Giver of all good things. We can never stop praising Him because, even in the hardest of times, there\u2019s <em>something<\/em> that we can thank Him for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You wrap up your book by telling the story of a woman named Katie Meyers. You talk about what it means to be lost in God\u2019s proposal. You start your pursuit of God by saying\u2014inviting Him to come near, to draw near, to come get you. You end your ten-day journey in drawing closer to God with God\u2019s proposal. What is that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>19:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Well, it\u2019s really that invitation that He makes for us to join our lives with Him and spend our lives with Him. For Katie Meyers\u2014I met Katie in a diner. She was a Penn State student, who\u2019d read one of my books. She was boy-crazy, and her heart was broken by it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I met her at this diner, she talked the language of the church; but God just kept saying, in His Spirit, because the Spirit is so alive and well in me: \u201cTell her about Nicodemus.\u201d I thought: \u201cBut she\u2019s already born again. She already knows about that.\u201d \u201cNo, no, no. Tell her about Nicodemus.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so I said, \u201cKatie, I want to read a story to you.\u201d I read her the story of Nicodemus. She said, \u201cWhat does it mean to be born again?\u201d I thought: \u201cAre you kidding me? She\u2019s talking the language of the church\u2014she\u2019s a youth leader. She goes to church\u2014Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. She\u2019s active in her ministry on campus. What?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>20:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that night, she came to know Jesus. Katie said to me, just weeks later: \u201cYou know, Jesus proposed to me that night. He asked me to spend my life with Him.\u201d Katie ended up being this phenomenal missionary, who went to the uttermost ends of the earth\u2014spending herself because she was God-crazy, not boy-crazy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHer story is just so great. It was a sacrifice for her to choose that. She wanted to be loved by a guy, but being loved by Jesus was enough. That\u2019s the proposal He makes to us. It\u2019s a proposal He makes to me, as a middle-aged woman\u2014as I faced loss and heartache this summer. But I still understand that the glory of my life is spending it with Jesus\u2014not Bob, not my kids, not my ministry\u2014but whatever He calls me to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>21:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Not even your puppy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>Not even my puppy. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Even though he has a Bible verse stamped on his\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, what you\u2019re saying, though, is so right because all of life is really one long process of losses. Now, there are gains along the way\u2014tons of gains\u2014but there are a lot of losses in life. We start out so idealistic about, maybe, our marriage, our family, our kids, or relationships. I think God is removing our hope from being things that we see to moving our heart to trusting things we don\u2019t see. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you\u2019re talking about is a realignment of where your hope is: \u201cAre you placing it in God?\u201d It is okay to go through unbelief. It is okay to doubt, but what you need to do is not get controlled or defined by your circumstances. If there\u2019s anything that irritates me about myself\u2014is how quickly my life can be defined by my circumstances or by my emotions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>22:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Scriptures call us out of that. The Scriptures call us to believe God is there\u2014He\u2019s at work. You don\u2019t know all that He\u2019s up to, in the circumstances you\u2019re facing; but you are called, in the midst of that, to trust in Him. There\u2019s faith in becoming a Christian. There\u2019s faith in being a Christian. You can\u2019t live the Christian life without faith. That\u2019s really what you\u2019re calling people to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just appreciate you being on our broadcast and challenging our listeners to make sure they\u2019re getting lost in the right thing\u2014and not getting lost in stuff, or in lesser loyalties, or in lesser affections. Dannah, thanks for sharing your journey with us. We appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dannah: <\/strong>My privilege.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And I\u2019ll just mention, here, that we\u2019ve got copies of your latest book, which is called <em>Get Lost<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. You can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about how to get a copy of Dannah\u2019s book, <em>Get Lost<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>23:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY: 1-800-358-6329. That is 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we wrap up the first few days of the new year\u2014and this kind of the end of the holiday season\u2014we want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those of you who made an end-of-the-year contribution to the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We could not do what we do without folks, like you, pitching in. We appreciate the many listeners who got in touch with us and made a contribution as 2013 was coming to a close. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are still getting some checks in the mail and waiting to process all of this before we can give you a final count on how things went, but we are grateful for your financial support. We look forward to a great 2014 together. We have a lot planned; and we hope you\u2019ll be right there, alongside of us, throughout the year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>24:00<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo again, thanks for your financial support. We appreciate hearing from you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to hear from pastor and author, Stu Weber, as we talk about the essential ingredients that go into biblical masculinity: \u201cWhat is it that makes a man a man?\u201d We\u2019ll hear from Stu Weber on that subject Monday. Hope you can be here for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. 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