{"id":302822,"date":"2013-09-30T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-09-30T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/god-uses-messy-people\/"},"modified":"2013-09-30T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-09-30T15:00:00","slug":"god-uses-messy-people","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-uses-messy-people\/","title":{"rendered":"God Uses Messy People"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Author Mike Howerton tells how his life began to change after he told the Lord in earnest that he&#8217;d like to be His.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-09-30.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.68M","filesize_raw":"23782149","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2821],"tags":[5221,4252],"podcast_series":[7975],"cwp_profile":[3520],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302822","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-reaching-out","tag-gods-will","tag-holy-spirit","podcast_series-glorious-mess","cwp_profile-mike-howerton","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302822\/god-uses-messy-people","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302822\/god-uses-messy-people","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"N9umuVteXM\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-uses-messy-people\/\">God Uses Messy People<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/god-uses-messy-people\/embed\/#?secret=N9umuVteXM\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;God Uses Messy People&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"N9umuVteXM\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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I don\u2019t know about you guys, but I do not feel very pastoral at 3:00 a.m. It was a challenge. I take this call; and the girl, at the other end of the line, is telling me a story that her ex-husband is in a coma at the hospital. She doesn\u2019t think he has very long to live. Would I come down and present the Gospel to him? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to confess to you that I was asking her questions like: \u201cWait a second! He\u2019s been in a coma for how long?\u201d and, \u201cYou think that I need to come right now?\u201d and, \u201cDid you say ex-husband and not current husband?\u201d and, \u201cHow does this all work?\u201d I was this close to just saying, \u201cCan I just pray for him on the phone right now?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, September 30<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have there been times when you\u2019ve missed what God had for you because, when He called, you looked for an escape? We\u2019re going to talk about that today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, when I first picked up a copy of the book we\u2019re talking about today, I thought immediately of you! [Laughter] I know, it\u2019s kind of a low blow, given the title of the book; but it wasn\u2019t just the fact that it\u2019s about people being messy\u2014it\u2019s about the fact that God uses messy people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, the name of the book\u2014this\u2019ll give you a little bit of an insight into Bob\u2019s jab with me\u2014the name of the book is <em>Glorious Mess<\/em>. You know what? I think that is true of me! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You think that fits?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think God is delighted in taking a mess and, you know, He uses whatever. Here\u2019s what I want you to know about the book\u2014this book is worth about 16 hundred bucks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You mean, you\u2019d have to pay\u2014you don\u2019t have to pay that much when you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, no. Here\u2019s what I\u2019d encourage our listeners to do\u2014get this book. Then, take it and turn it in to a precious metals company because Rick Warren said, \u201cThis is pure gold.\u201d [Laughter] I weighed it\u2014it\u2019s a pound. It\u2019s worth 16 hundred bucks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now how\u2019s that for an introduction, Mike?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s a huge endorsement! Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Mike Howerton joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Mike is the lead pastor at Overlake Christian Church, in Redmond, Washington. He and his wife, Jodie, live up in the Northwest. They have three children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe really has put together a good book. I want to ask you about your own mess. When did the King of kings invade your mess?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think my story\u2019s like many in that I think God was knocking on the door of my heart for many, many years. I happened to grow up in a home where I was taken to church with regularity; but I remember thinking to myself, around age 17, \u201cYou know, if my parents were Buddhist, I\u2019d end up being Buddhist. If my parents were Muslim, I\u2019d end up being a Muslim.\u201d So, when I went to college, at Pepperdine, I thought, \u201cI\u2019m going to figure this thing out on my own.\u201d That\u2019s exactly what I did <em>not<\/em> do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI entered into the philosophy program there. I read a ton\u2014I embraced all sorts of comparative religions. When I was a senior, on a beach in Malibu, California, in the rain, I remember praying to Jesus: \u201cJesus, if You are real and You would still want me, I\u2019d love to be Yours.\u201d I had one of those experiential moments where I felt like the arms of heaven were wrapped around me in love. It just changed the whole trajectory of my life. It met me in the middle of my mess, and then started a new trajectory for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>What was the first evidence that your life had been invaded by heaven?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I lived in a home which was very much like a fraternity kind of a setting. We had a 44-gallon trash can in the middle of our living room, filled with stale, empty beer cans. When that got full, I remember my roommate just\u2014instead of hauling it off\u2014he just pulled another 44-gallon trash can in the middle of the living room. That was my context. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next day, after that experience on the beach, my roommate came. He banged on my door, and it opened because we had broken the latches earlier that year. I was there, on the floor of my room, with my journal out and a freshly-dusted-off Bible. I had my guitar, and I was strumming some <em>Humble Thyself<\/em> praise song kind of a thing. He looked at me; and he just said, \u201cWhat the <em>bleep<\/em> are you doing?\u201d That was the evidence that there was, obviously, something had changed in me. My priorities had changed. My interests were now back on an entirely different trajectory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Part of the premise of your book\u2014and really, the heart of your book\u2014is that where you were on that day\u2014Day One of your conversion\u2014God was ready to put you to work. You didn\u2019t have to finish off some program to be useful for the King.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you realize that, at the time? Did you go right to work; or did you feel like, \u201cI\u2019d better get cleaned up before I get busy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I have always felt like my journey with Jesus is incredibly real, and tangible, and life-giving. But I also feel like I would be giving you a false reality if I tried to pretend the mess away from my own life. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPart of my own experience has just been that I hear Christian testimonies\u2014all the time\u2014that were like: \u201cOnce I was blind, and now I can see,\u201d \u201cOnce I was this, bad, bad, baddy-bad, and now I\u2019m this, good, good, goody-good.\u201d It just seems rather inauthentic to me. Certainly, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s true to the experience that so many of us have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, it\u2019s true that we are profoundly changed and eternally changed, in a moment. But I think a more accurate testimony sounds like: \u201cOnce I was a mess 53 ways. Then, I met the grace of Jesus. Now I\u2019m a mess 37 ways, but God\u2019s glory is shining through this whole thing.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And in your life, it began\u2014that incremental\u2014theologians call it sanctification\u2014God, at work\u2014conforming you to the image of Christ. Did you get busy in service right away; or was the thought in your mind, \u201cI have to get better before I can get busy\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I don\u2019t know that I ever had either of those thoughts. I always knew that God had a plan for my life. I really did. I felt like\u2014even as I was walking my own path and trying to figure out the truth\u2014I knew that, if I ever did bow the knee to Jesus, that He would have something for me. But at the time, you know, I was still a senior in college. I still needed to finish my degree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs soon as I did finish, I went into a form of Christian ministry. I went to work at a Christian camp and conference center in Washington State. I kind of needed that for a little bit of philosophy detox\u2014I tell people. I just, you know, \u201cGo to the nature\u2014to live deliberately\u2014kind of the thing.\u201d So, I was able to just really experience, then, the presence of Jesus and the power of Jesus. But I didn\u2019t do that because I felt like I needed to somehow get better before I could start serving Him. I did it just because I was interested in being with Him more. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>You know, I\u2019ve talked to a lot of people who had an experience, growing up, where God intersected their lives\u2014they had an encounter with Jesus Christ. They had a sense, at that moment, just as you talked about, that God had a plan for them. He was up to something special; but obviously, it takes their obedience to ultimately surrender to Christ and get with the program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI drew a picture, when I was in the second grade, of what I was going to do when I became an adult. I drew a picture of a guy preaching,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014holding the Bible up. God\u2019s mark, I think, was on my life, as a young person. There are those, listening to us right now, who may or who may not have had a call of God on their lives; but they\u2019re in need of freshly visiting it. What you\u2019re writing about, in your book, is how people, who may not be tied into the middle of God\u2019s will today, can experience it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where do they start?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>The first section of the book is called \u201cHow to Hear God Speak\u201d because the reality is\u2014and again, this is my own view. It\u2019s a view, I think, that\u2019s really backed up in Scripture\u2014is that God is speaking to us and He is calling us. I would say that that\u2019s true in terms of our life-time purpose\u2014like a big capital \u201cC\u201d Call\u2014but I also am one of those believers that God speaks to us, even daily\u2014that His interaction with us is much more frequent than I think we ever dare to imagine. I\u2019ll give you a couple stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy friend, Tracy, was driving home from work one day. She really felt like God was nudging her to go to a diner called Ruby\u2019s. I don\u2019t know if you have Ruby\u2019s out here. We have some Ruby\u2019s on the west coast. She honestly thought, you know, \u201cGod, is this You?\u201d because she thought it might be herself since she really likes the Ruby\u2019s milkshakes. So, she wasn\u2019t totally sure, at first. [Laughter] She really felt like God was prompting her, \u201cGo to Ruby\u2019s.\u201d So, she goes to Ruby\u2019s. She ends up walking into the restaurant. On the way to the counter, where she\u2019s going to order a milkshake, she sees a girl in a booth alone\u2014an older girl. She feels like God\u2019s prompting her, \u201cSpeak to this woman.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTracy kind of wrestled with God for a moment. Then, she said, \u201cOkay, God.\u201d She said: \u201cExcuse me, ma\u2019am, I\u2019m so sorry to interrupt you. I have the strangest sense that God wants me to say, \u2018Hello,\u2019 to you today. My name\u2019s Tracy; and I just want to say, \u2018Hello.\u2019\u201d The woman looked up at her, just like a deer in the headlights. She said: \u201cTracy, you don\u2019t know me, but I lost my husband six months ago. He was the one who would take care of our finances. He was the one who would take care of all the logistics in our home. I\u2019m feeling very lost. I\u2019m feeling very confused; but mostly, I feel lonely. Five minutes ago, I was praying that God would give me someone to talk to.\u201d So, Tracy sat down with her. They had an incredible conversation\u2014both <em>really convinced<\/em> that God was meeting them, in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to tell you guys\u2014I\u2019m not the guy, who\u2019s always hearing God say that. In fact, I think God needs to hit me on the head or even call me on the cell phone. One of my experiences is at a church that I used to serve at. We had a pastoral care phone. All of the rookie pastors would get the care phone. It was a 24-hour phone. So, any time\u2014night or day\u2014somebody had a problem\u2014they could always get a live pastor. Well I remember one night, at 3:00 a.m., I get a phone call. I don\u2019t know about you guys, but I do not feel very pastoral at 3:00 a.m. [Laughter] I\u2019m barely a Christian before my second cup of coffee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>It was a challenge. I take this call. The girl, on the other end of the line, is telling me a story that her ex-husband is in a coma at the hospital. She doesn\u2019t think he has very long to live, but she knows he\u2019s never accepted Christ. \u201cWould I come down and present the Gospel to him?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to confess to you that I had this incredibly pastoral conversation with her in that moment. I was asking her questions like: \u201cWait a second! He\u2019s been in a coma for how long?\u201d and, \u201cYou think that I need to come right now?\u201d and, \u201cDid you say ex-husband and not current husband?\u201d and, \u201cHow does this all work?\u201d Thank God that He pressed through, and I realized that He was somehow a part of this. So, I got out of bed. I got my clothes on, drove down to the hospital, and I met with the guy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was exactly as she\u2019d said. He was absolutely comatose\u2014wires and machines everywhere. I just began to present the Gospel to him. I just began to talk to him about how God has a plan for everybody\u2019s life; but all of us have walked away\u2014all of us have rebelled against Him. I talked to him about how it\u2019s not the good things that <em>we<\/em> do but it\u2019s the good thing that <em>Jesus<\/em> has done on the cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI preached to him for like ten minutes. The whole time, he was absolutely comatose. It felt just like youth ministry to me. [Laughter] I mean, it was, you know, no response! At the end of that time, I said: \u201cNow listen. I\u2019m going to pray a prayer. If you want to accept Jesus into your life, you can do that however you want to\u2014you can squeeze my hand, you can blink your eyes, you can say, \u2018Yes,\u2019 shake your head\u2014however it is that you\u2019d like to do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSuddenly, my hand was in a vice grip. He was moaning, \u201cYes, yes.\u201d There were tears streaming down his eyes. I have never been surer of a humble acceptance of the grace of Jesus Christ than I was in that moment. So, we prayed together. Meanwhile, his ex-wife is there and just jumping up and down\u2014praising, praising\u2014praising Jesus. It was incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just thanked her for giving me a call. I said: \u201cNow listen. I\u2019m going to go, but why don\u2019t you give me a call and let me know how things turn out.\u201d About 30 minutes later, I\u2019m getting back into bed. I get a phone call, and it\u2019s her. She wanted to thank me for coming down to the hospital. She wanted to inform me that her ex-husband had just passed away, into a joy-filled eternity. I almost missed it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI believe that the Lord was <em>absolutely present<\/em>\u2014in that moment\u2014calling me into adventure, and into life, and into Kingdom work. I was this close to just saying: \u201cCan I just pray for him on the phone right now? You realize it is 3:10 in the morning. Maybe, I can just come around at 8:00 or 9:00 in the morning.\u201d You know, almost just dismissing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it just started to feed this kind of foundational framework\u2014that I believe God is infinitely more present than we give Him credit for\u2014and infinitely more invitational into a greater sense of life\u2014a greater quality of life in Kingdom work\u2014than we can imagine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and I want to just speak to that. First of all, two things about what you just said. Number 1: I think every listener, whether you are a follower of Jesus Christ or not\u2014God does have a call on your life. He had a reason why He made you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The first call may need to be for you to come into a personal relationship with Him so you can get with the program. All the others\u2014who already know the Savior and are in the family\u2014they may need to get with that big \u201cC\u201d Call and have a sense in which, \u201cI\u2019m doing what He made me to do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the second thing you talked about\u2014and I\u2019m glad you used the word \u201cadventure\u201d. Bob knows Stephen Curtis Chapman\u2014is a good friend of mine, of FamilyLife\u2019s, Bob\u2019s. We\u2019ve had a chance to rub shoulders with him, on a number of occasions; but any time he\u2019s got a guitar, I ask him to sing this one song. And that song is, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>The Great Adventure<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong><em>The Great Adventure<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Saddle up your horses, man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Saddle up your horses! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Come on! Let\u2019s go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I mean, I get emotional about this because the Christian life is not a boring, dull walk-around with a sour puss face, and live this meaningless life. It is the intersection of Almighty God with a mess\u2014a human mess\u2014who, in His amazing grace, does end up using in a powerful way! I do call that the \u201cGreat Adventure\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been doing it now, however imperfectly, since I was about 20 years old. I can\u2019t <em>imagine<\/em> getting up in the morning and just punch the clock in\u2014just put your time in. You have to be about what He\u2019s got for you and how He wants to use you! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou don\u2019t know this, probably, about FamilyLife; but one of the things we\u2019ve been pounding the table about here is\u2014the breakdown of the family is not a parachurch organization\u2019s responsibility. It, ultimately, is the Church\u2019s responsibility; and the Church is you. I\u2019m not talking about you\u2014the pastor\u2014I\u2019m talking about you\u2014the listener, who goes to church, who is a part of the Church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are a part of the solution to turning around the breakdown of the family. We\u2019re calling men and women to step out and say, \u201cI\u2019d like to make a difference in marriages and families where I live,\u201d and begin to be used by God to see Him change lives, change marriages, change families, change legacies, and begin the great adventure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And they can be messy men and women, too?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Absolutely; oh, absolutely! In fact, you know Scott and Sherry. I mean, we\u2019ve told their story, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, before. Their lives were big-time mess. I think there were drugs\u2014there was adultery, at least by him. What a mess!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They got a divorce.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes! And their marriage was redeemed. They went to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway and plugged into their local church. Now, they\u2019ve hosted 19 <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> events and have impacted\u2014I don\u2019t know\u20141,500, 2,000 people? They\u2019ve decided to take it to military bases, prisons, churches, businesses. They\u2019ve even rented, I think, a Carnival cruise ship that has power! [Laughter] They\u2019ve got 60 state rooms\u2014called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> Cruise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here\u2019s the thing\u2014you got a church-full\u2014I mean, 6,500 people go to your church, up in the Northwest\u2014which makes your church a mega church, no matter what. But if you\u2019ve got 6,500 living souls, in the Northwest, proclaiming Christ, that\u2019s a miracle. You have to see tons of them making a difference in other people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely. It starts\u2014right, with an individual. It starts with a dad saying that, \u201cGod is calling me into this adventure of being a father and truly fathering my own children;\u201d right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt starts with a wife saying that about her marriage to her husband, and a husband saying that about his marriage to his wife. There has to be an individual listening to God\u2014calling them into the adventure of the role that they have already committed themselves to\u2014marriage or of fathering and mothering. That\u2019s where it begins; but absolutely, there\u2019s all of these opportunities that God has for us to influence our friends and our neighbors\u2014how we can be an encouragement to one another, in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I\u2019m glad you started where you started\u2014needs to start at home. That\u2019s where the first call occurs. But then, as God uses a person\u2014as a husband, as a daddy\u2014as a wife, a mom\u2014you can then begin to think about, \u201cHow could God use me beyond the four walls of our home to impact others?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. How many people, at your church\u20146,500 people coming on Sundays\u2014what percentage would you say are kind of distracted from the adventure versus those who are living throughout the week, engaged with the adventure?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we\u2019re not talking about paid staff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No, no, I got you; I got you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re not talking about having to go into the ministry\u2014\u201cthe ministry\u201d. Just talk about people\u2014who recognize where they are is where God put them, and they want to be used up for Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think we have a high percentage of folks that have that mindset. I\u2019m thinking of a gal\u2014she\u2019s just a dear friend. She has eight children of her own. She, also, is a key leader in our student ministries. We\u2019re just laughing because we\u2019re like: \u201cYou don\u2019t need to come to church to invest in student ministries. You have one in your home!\u201d you know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>But you know, she\u2019s a great example of that; right. I\u2019m thinking of another couple, who are raising their own kids. They\u2019re passionate about their marriage, and they have decided that they\u2019re going to be mentor couples for other couples\u2014who are walking\u00a0 the same road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think that the answer is\u2014\u201ca high percentage.\u201d I am a little uncomfortable giving you a number\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014but I think there are a lot of folks that get it. The more joyfully, I believe, that Christians, who get it, can live and have that language as a part of their daily kind of a life, then, I think others are drawn to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to summarize what we\u2019ve been talking about here today with Paul\u2019s words. He said this: \u201cFor we are His workmanship.\u201d I have written down, at the bottom of my Bible, where this passage is: \u201cWe are God\u2019s work of art,\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We are God\u2019s artwork. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Masterpiece.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, masterpiece. It goes on to say, \u201ccreated in Christ Jesus to just be stared at.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think that\u2019s exactly how it goes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t say that\u2014no, it doesn\u2019t say that. It says, \u201ccreated in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.\u201d I have\u2014at the bottom of the passage, I said: \u201cIt\u2019s we\u2014it\u2019s all.\u201d This is not just for an elite class of followers of Christ. We are hard-wired with a spiritual DNA to be world-changers\u2014interacting with other human beings\u2014other souls that you\u2019re going to spend eternity with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the person who would say: \u201cI\u2019m too messy. I\u2019m no masterpiece. I\u2019m just too messy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I wrote this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There you go! I\u2019m going to say they should get a copy of this book. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if you don\u2019t like the book, you can sell it for sixteen hundred bucks because Rick Warren said, \u201cIt is worth\u2014it\u2019s pure gold\u2014pure gold!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pure gold. Just take it to Rick and say, \u201cI\u2019d like to cash this in for what it\u2019s worth.\u201d We have copies of Mike\u2019s book, <em>Glorious Mess<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. Go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to request your copy. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order by phone. Our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY; 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, our goal, here at FamilyLife\u2014our mission is to do all we can do so that every home becomes a godly home. That\u2019s a big mission; but every day, we\u2019re making inroads. We\u2019re making steps. We\u2019re reaching more people with this radio program, through our website, with the tools and resources we have available. God is blessing the efforts of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who make it possible\u2014those of you who are shareholders in this ministry. We could not do it without you. We appreciate your partnership with us, here, in the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> This month, if you can help us with a donation, we\u2019d like to send you a book that challenges you to pray an unusual prayer. In fact, the author of the book, Jennie Allen, said this was a prayer she prayed that had a profound impact on her life, on her marriage, and on her family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe title of the book is <em>Anything<\/em>. It\u2019s our gift to you when you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this month. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make a donation over the phone; and ask how you can get a copy of the book, <em>Anything<\/em>, by Jennie Allen. Or request the book when you mail a donation to <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>at P. O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR. The zip code is 72223. And let me just say how much we appreciate you joining with us, and we look forward to hearing from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can be back with us tomorrow when Mike Howerton is going to be here again. We\u2019re going to talk about how God is at work in our lives\u2014calling us into His service, in spite of our messiness. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. 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Mike Howerton tells how his life began to change after he told the Lord in earnest that he'd like to be His.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-09-30.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Mike Howerton is a pastor who confesses there have been times when God has called him into service, and Mike\u2019s been looking to see if there was an escape route somewhere. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I remember one night, at 3:00 a.m., I get a phone call. I don\u2019t know about you guys, but I do not feel very pastoral at 3:00 a.m. It was a challenge. I take this call; and the girl, at the other end of the line, is telling me a story that her ex-husband is in a coma at the hospital. She doesn\u2019t think he has very long to live. Would I come down and present the Gospel to him? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to confess to you that I was asking her questions like: \u201cWait a second! He\u2019s been in a coma for how long?\u201d and, \u201cYou think that I need to come right now?\u201d and, \u201cDid you say ex-husband and not current husband?\u201d and, \u201cHow does this all work?\u201d I was this close to just saying, \u201cCan I just pray for him on the phone right now?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, September 30<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Have there been times when you\u2019ve missed what God had for you because, when He called, you looked for an escape? We\u2019re going to talk about that today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, when I first picked up a copy of the book we\u2019re talking about today, I thought immediately of you! [Laughter] I know, it\u2019s kind of a low blow, given the title of the book; but it wasn\u2019t just the fact that it\u2019s about people being messy\u2014it\u2019s about the fact that God uses messy people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Well, the name of the book\u2014this\u2019ll give you a little bit of an insight into Bob\u2019s jab with me\u2014the name of the book is <em>Glorious Mess<\/em>. You know what? I think that is true of me! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You think that fits?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I think God is delighted in taking a mess and, you know, He uses whatever. Here\u2019s what I want you to know about the book\u2014this book is worth about 16 hundred bucks. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>You mean, you\u2019d have to pay\u2014you don\u2019t have to pay that much when you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>No, no. Here\u2019s what I\u2019d encourage our listeners to do\u2014get this book. Then, take it and turn it in to a precious metals company because Rick Warren said, \u201cThis is pure gold.\u201d [Laughter] I weighed it\u2014it\u2019s a pound. It\u2019s worth 16 hundred bucks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Now how\u2019s that for an introduction, Mike?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s a huge endorsement! Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Mike Howerton joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Mike is the lead pastor at Overlake Christian Church, in Redmond, Washington. He and his wife, Jodie, live up in the Northwest. They have three children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe really has put together a good book. I want to ask you about your own mess. When did the King of kings invade your mess?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think my story\u2019s like many in that I think God was knocking on the door of my heart for many, many years. I happened to grow up in a home where I was taken to church with regularity; but I remember thinking to myself, around age 17, \u201cYou know, if my parents were Buddhist, I\u2019d end up being Buddhist. If my parents were Muslim, I\u2019d end up being a Muslim.\u201d So, when I went to college, at Pepperdine, I thought, \u201cI\u2019m going to figure this thing out on my own.\u201d That\u2019s exactly what I did <em>not<\/em> do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI entered into the philosophy program there. I read a ton\u2014I embraced all sorts of comparative religions. When I was a senior, on a beach in Malibu, California, in the rain, I remember praying to Jesus: \u201cJesus, if You are real and You would still want me, I\u2019d love to be Yours.\u201d I had one of those experiential moments where I felt like the arms of heaven were wrapped around me in love. It just changed the whole trajectory of my life. 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He looked at me; and he just said, \u201cWhat the <em>bleep<\/em> are you doing?\u201d That was the evidence that there was, obviously, something had changed in me. My priorities had changed. My interests were now back on an entirely different trajectory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Part of the premise of your book\u2014and really, the heart of your book\u2014is that where you were on that day\u2014Day One of your conversion\u2014God was ready to put you to work. You didn\u2019t have to finish off some program to be useful for the King.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Did you realize that, at the time? Did you go right to work; or did you feel like, \u201cI\u2019d better get cleaned up before I get busy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I have always felt like my journey with Jesus is incredibly real, and tangible, and life-giving. 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He was up to something special; but obviously, it takes their obedience to ultimately surrender to Christ and get with the program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI drew a picture, when I was in the second grade, of what I was going to do when I became an adult. I drew a picture of a guy preaching,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u2014holding the Bible up. God\u2019s mark, I think, was on my life, as a young person. There are those, listening to us right now, who may or who may not have had a call of God on their lives; but they\u2019re in need of freshly visiting it. What you\u2019re writing about, in your book, is how people, who may not be tied into the middle of God\u2019s will today, can experience it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely. Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Where do they start?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>The first section of the book is called \u201cHow to Hear God Speak\u201d because the reality is\u2014and again, this is my own view. It\u2019s a view, I think, that\u2019s really backed up in Scripture\u2014is that God is speaking to us and He is calling us. I would say that that\u2019s true in terms of our life-time purpose\u2014like a big capital \u201cC\u201d Call\u2014but I also am one of those believers that God speaks to us, even daily\u2014that His interaction with us is much more frequent than I think we ever dare to imagine. I\u2019ll give you a couple stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy friend, Tracy, was driving home from work one day. She really felt like God was nudging her to go to a diner called Ruby\u2019s. I don\u2019t know if you have Ruby\u2019s out here. We have some Ruby\u2019s on the west coast. She honestly thought, you know, \u201cGod, is this You?\u201d because she thought it might be herself since she really likes the Ruby\u2019s milkshakes. So, she wasn\u2019t totally sure, at first. [Laughter] She really felt like God was prompting her, \u201cGo to Ruby\u2019s.\u201d So, she goes to Ruby\u2019s. She ends up walking into the restaurant. On the way to the counter, where she\u2019s going to order a milkshake, she sees a girl in a booth alone\u2014an older girl. She feels like God\u2019s prompting her, \u201cSpeak to this woman.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTracy kind of wrestled with God for a moment. Then, she said, \u201cOkay, God.\u201d She said: \u201cExcuse me, ma\u2019am, I\u2019m so sorry to interrupt you. I have the strangest sense that God wants me to say, \u2018Hello,\u2019 to you today. My name\u2019s Tracy; and I just want to say, \u2018Hello.\u2019\u201d The woman looked up at her, just like a deer in the headlights. She said: \u201cTracy, you don\u2019t know me, but I lost my husband six months ago. He was the one who would take care of our finances. He was the one who would take care of all the logistics in our home. I\u2019m feeling very lost. I\u2019m feeling very confused; but mostly, I feel lonely. Five minutes ago, I was praying that God would give me someone to talk to.\u201d So, Tracy sat down with her. They had an incredible conversation\u2014both <em>really convinced<\/em> that God was meeting them, in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to tell you guys\u2014I\u2019m not the guy, who\u2019s always hearing God say that. In fact, I think God needs to hit me on the head or even call me on the cell phone. One of my experiences is at a church that I used to serve at. We had a pastoral care phone. All of the rookie pastors would get the care phone. It was a 24-hour phone. So, any time\u2014night or day\u2014somebody had a problem\u2014they could always get a live pastor. Well I remember one night, at 3:00 a.m., I get a phone call. I don\u2019t know about you guys, but I do not feel very pastoral at 3:00 a.m. [Laughter] I\u2019m barely a Christian before my second cup of coffee.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>It was a challenge. I take this call. The girl, on the other end of the line, is telling me a story that her ex-husband is in a coma at the hospital. She doesn\u2019t think he has very long to live, but she knows he\u2019s never accepted Christ. \u201cWould I come down and present the Gospel to him?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to confess to you that I had this incredibly pastoral conversation with her in that moment. I was asking her questions like: \u201cWait a second! He\u2019s been in a coma for how long?\u201d and, \u201cYou think that I need to come right now?\u201d and, \u201cDid you say ex-husband and not current husband?\u201d and, \u201cHow does this all work?\u201d Thank God that He pressed through, and I realized that He was somehow a part of this. So, I got out of bed. I got my clothes on, drove down to the hospital, and I met with the guy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was exactly as she\u2019d said. He was absolutely comatose\u2014wires and machines everywhere. I just began to present the Gospel to him. I just began to talk to him about how God has a plan for everybody\u2019s life; but all of us have walked away\u2014all of us have rebelled against Him. I talked to him about how it\u2019s not the good things that <em>we<\/em> do but it\u2019s the good thing that <em>Jesus<\/em> has done on the cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI preached to him for like ten minutes. The whole time, he was absolutely comatose. It felt just like youth ministry to me. [Laughter] I mean, it was, you know, no response! At the end of that time, I said: \u201cNow listen. I\u2019m going to pray a prayer. If you want to accept Jesus into your life, you can do that however you want to\u2014you can squeeze my hand, you can blink your eyes, you can say, \u2018Yes,\u2019 shake your head\u2014however it is that you\u2019d like to do this.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSuddenly, my hand was in a vice grip. He was moaning, \u201cYes, yes.\u201d There were tears streaming down his eyes. I have never been surer of a humble acceptance of the grace of Jesus Christ than I was in that moment. So, we prayed together. Meanwhile, his ex-wife is there and just jumping up and down\u2014praising, praising\u2014praising Jesus. It was incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just thanked her for giving me a call. I said: \u201cNow listen. I\u2019m going to go, but why don\u2019t you give me a call and let me know how things turn out.\u201d About 30 minutes later, I\u2019m getting back into bed. I get a phone call, and it\u2019s her. She wanted to thank me for coming down to the hospital. She wanted to inform me that her ex-husband had just passed away, into a joy-filled eternity. I almost missed it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI believe that the Lord was <em>absolutely present<\/em>\u2014in that moment\u2014calling me into adventure, and into life, and into Kingdom work. I was this close to just saying: \u201cCan I just pray for him on the phone right now? You realize it is 3:10 in the morning. Maybe, I can just come around at 8:00 or 9:00 in the morning.\u201d You know, almost just dismissing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it just started to feed this kind of foundational framework\u2014that I believe God is infinitely more present than we give Him credit for\u2014and infinitely more invitational into a greater sense of life\u2014a greater quality of life in Kingdom work\u2014than we can imagine. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, and I want to just speak to that. First of all, two things about what you just said. Number 1: I think every listener, whether you are a follower of Jesus Christ or not\u2014God does have a call on your life. He had a reason why He made you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>The first call may need to be for you to come into a personal relationship with Him so you can get with the program. All the others\u2014who already know the Savior and are in the family\u2014they may need to get with that big \u201cC\u201d Call and have a sense in which, \u201cI\u2019m doing what He made me to do.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the second thing you talked about\u2014and I\u2019m glad you used the word \u201cadventure\u201d. Bob knows Stephen Curtis Chapman\u2014is a good friend of mine, of FamilyLife\u2019s, Bob\u2019s. We\u2019ve had a chance to rub shoulders with him, on a number of occasions; but any time he\u2019s got a guitar, I ask him to sing this one song. And that song is, Bob?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong><em>The Great Adventure<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong><em>The Great Adventure<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Saddle up your horses, man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Saddle up your horses! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Come on! Let\u2019s go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I mean, I get emotional about this because the Christian life is not a boring, dull walk-around with a sour puss face, and live this meaningless life. It is the intersection of Almighty God with a mess\u2014a human mess\u2014who, in His amazing grace, does end up using in a powerful way! I do call that the \u201cGreat Adventure\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>I\u2019ve been doing it now, however imperfectly, since I was about 20 years old. I can\u2019t <em>imagine<\/em> getting up in the morning and just punch the clock in\u2014just put your time in. You have to be about what He\u2019s got for you and how He wants to use you! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou don\u2019t know this, probably, about FamilyLife; but one of the things we\u2019ve been pounding the table about here is\u2014the breakdown of the family is not a parachurch organization\u2019s responsibility. It, ultimately, is the Church\u2019s responsibility; and the Church is you. I\u2019m not talking about you\u2014the pastor\u2014I\u2019m talking about you\u2014the listener, who goes to church, who is a part of the Church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are a part of the solution to turning around the breakdown of the family. We\u2019re calling men and women to step out and say, \u201cI\u2019d like to make a difference in marriages and families where I live,\u201d and begin to be used by God to see Him change lives, change marriages, change families, change legacies, and begin the great adventure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And they can be messy men and women, too?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Absolutely; oh, absolutely! In fact, you know Scott and Sherry. I mean, we\u2019ve told their story, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, before. Their lives were big-time mess. I think there were drugs\u2014there was adultery, at least by him. What a mess!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>They got a divorce.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes! And their marriage was redeemed. They went to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaway and plugged into their local church. Now, they\u2019ve hosted 19 <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> events and have impacted\u2014I don\u2019t know\u20141,500, 2,000 people? They\u2019ve decided to take it to military bases, prisons, churches, businesses. They\u2019ve even rented, I think, a Carnival cruise ship that has power! [Laughter] They\u2019ve got 60 state rooms\u2014called <em>The<\/em> <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> Cruise. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, here\u2019s the thing\u2014you got a church-full\u2014I mean, 6,500 people go to your church, up in the Northwest\u2014which makes your church a mega church, no matter what. But if you\u2019ve got 6,500 living souls, in the Northwest, proclaiming Christ, that\u2019s a miracle. You have to see tons of them making a difference in other people\u2019s lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely. It starts\u2014right, with an individual. It starts with a dad saying that, \u201cGod is calling me into this adventure of being a father and truly fathering my own children;\u201d right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt starts with a wife saying that about her marriage to her husband, and a husband saying that about his marriage to his wife. There has to be an individual listening to God\u2014calling them into the adventure of the role that they have already committed themselves to\u2014marriage or of fathering and mothering. That\u2019s where it begins; but absolutely, there\u2019s all of these opportunities that God has for us to influence our friends and our neighbors\u2014how we can be an encouragement to one another, in the process.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I\u2019m glad you started where you started\u2014needs to start at home. That\u2019s where the first call occurs. But then, as God uses a person\u2014as a husband, as a daddy\u2014as a wife, a mom\u2014you can then begin to think about, \u201cHow could God use me beyond the four walls of our home to impact others?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Yes. How many people, at your church\u20146,500 people coming on Sundays\u2014what percentage would you say are kind of distracted from the adventure versus those who are living throughout the week, engaged with the adventure?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And we\u2019re not talking about paid staff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>No, no, I got you; I got you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We\u2019re not talking about having to go into the ministry\u2014\u201cthe ministry\u201d. Just talk about people\u2014who recognize where they are is where God put them, and they want to be used up for Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think we have a high percentage of folks that have that mindset. I\u2019m thinking of a gal\u2014she\u2019s just a dear friend. She has eight children of her own. She, also, is a key leader in our student ministries. We\u2019re just laughing because we\u2019re like: \u201cYou don\u2019t need to come to church to invest in student ministries. You have one in your home!\u201d you know. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>But you know, she\u2019s a great example of that; right. I\u2019m thinking of another couple, who are raising their own kids. They\u2019re passionate about their marriage, and they have decided that they\u2019re going to be mentor couples for other couples\u2014who are walking\u00a0 the same road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>I think that the answer is\u2014\u201ca high percentage.\u201d I am a little uncomfortable giving you a number\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>\u2014but I think there are a lot of folks that get it. The more joyfully, I believe, that Christians, who get it, can live and have that language as a part of their daily kind of a life, then, I think others are drawn to it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And I have to summarize what we\u2019ve been talking about here today with Paul\u2019s words. He said this: \u201cFor we are His workmanship.\u201d I have written down, at the bottom of my Bible, where this passage is: \u201cWe are God\u2019s work of art,\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>We are God\u2019s artwork. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>Masterpiece.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>Yes, masterpiece. It goes on to say, \u201ccreated in Christ Jesus to just be stared at.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>I don\u2019t think that\u2019s exactly how it goes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>It doesn\u2019t say that\u2014no, it doesn\u2019t say that. It says, \u201ccreated in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.\u201d I have\u2014at the bottom of the passage, I said: \u201cIt\u2019s we\u2014it\u2019s all.\u201d This is not just for an elite class of followers of Christ. We are hard-wired with a spiritual DNA to be world-changers\u2014interacting with other human beings\u2014other souls that you\u2019re going to spend eternity with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>And the person who would say: \u201cI\u2019m too messy. I\u2019m no masterpiece. I\u2019m just too messy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mike: <\/strong>That\u2019s why I wrote this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>There you go! I\u2019m going to say they should get a copy of this book. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>And if you don\u2019t like the book, you can sell it for sixteen hundred bucks because Rick Warren said, \u201cIt is worth\u2014it\u2019s pure gold\u2014pure gold!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob: <\/strong>Pure gold. Just take it to Rick and say, \u201cI\u2019d like to cash this in for what it\u2019s worth.\u201d We have copies of Mike\u2019s book, <em>Glorious Mess<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. Go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com to request your copy. Again, the website: FamilyLifeToday.com. You can also order by phone. Our toll-free number is 1-800-FL-TODAY; 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, our goal, here at FamilyLife\u2014our mission is to do all we can do so that every home becomes a godly home. That\u2019s a big mission; but every day, we\u2019re making inroads. We\u2019re making steps. We\u2019re reaching more people with this radio program, through our website, with the tools and resources we have available. God is blessing the efforts of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who make it possible\u2014those of you who are shareholders in this ministry. We could not do it without you. We appreciate your partnership with us, here, in the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em> This month, if you can help us with a donation, we\u2019d like to send you a book that challenges you to pray an unusual prayer. In fact, the author of the book, Jennie Allen, said this was a prayer she prayed that had a profound impact on her life, on her marriage, and on her family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe title of the book is <em>Anything<\/em>. 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