{"id":302817,"date":"2013-09-20T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-09-20T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-times-are-they-really-changing\/"},"modified":"2013-09-20T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-09-20T15:00:00","slug":"the-times-are-they-really-changing","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-times-are-they-really-changing\/","title":{"rendered":"The Times: Are They Really Changing?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bob Lepine says there is only one source to whom we can turn to for the cleanup.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-09-20.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"25.8M","filesize_raw":"27050822","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2805],"tags":[2991],"podcast_series":[7973],"cwp_profile":[3142],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302817","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-gods-plan-for-marriage","tag-sex","podcast_series-do-christians-have-it-wrong-on-sexuality","cwp_profile-bob-lepine","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302817\/the-times-are-they-really-changing","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302817\/the-times-are-they-really-changing","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"hKQUhgloQZ\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-times-are-they-really-changing\/\">The Times: Are They Really Changing?<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-times-are-they-really-changing\/embed\/#?secret=hKQUhgloQZ\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Times: Are They Really Changing?&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"hKQUhgloQZ\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Today, we\u2019re not sure that those three words necessarily belong in the same sentence. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[\u201cMan in the Street\u201d Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> So, is there any link, in your mind, between sex and God? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Not in my mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Male:<\/strong> Well, that assumes there is a god. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> What\u2019s the question? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Yes. Could sex exist to glorify God and reflect His character? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if I want to think about God like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> And so-called \u201ctraditional standards\u201d\u2014where are they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Like what? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Heterosexual marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> That\u2019s just a convention. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Is sex reserved for just a married man and woman? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> That\u2019s kind of legal; isn\u2019t it? Like didn\u2019t they pass laws about it or something? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> What\u2019s the question? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Could sex exist to glorify God and reflect His character? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Wow! I have never thought of it that way\u2014never related the two.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Male:<\/strong> What is this about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, September 20<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. The Bible offers clarity, in a culture of confusion, around human sexuality. We\u2019ll see if we can get some clarity today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014if you want to get a lively discussion going, in the culture today, just bring up the subject of: \u201cWhat do you think about the issue of human sexuality?\u201d There are a lot of folks who have a lot of opinions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or of same-sex marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Those are hot topics\u2014as we certainly found, a few months ago, when we aired a broadcast\u2014where I just talked about my response to the Supreme Court\u2019s decision and the DOMA ruling\u2014and talked about how we, as believers, need to be found guilty of loving, and caring, and being kind, and being winsome\u2014but of still standing for the truth. They are going to hear both\u2014standing for the truth and a lot of humility and admission of brokenness\u2014 in the message that we\u2019re about to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s given by Bob Lepine at Redeemer Church, here in Little Rock, Arkansas. We thought it was so good\u2014we wanted you, as a listener, to hear it. I think it\u2019s going to give you courage to stand for truth in a loving, kind, gracious, winsome way that invites people <em>out <\/em>of their broken lives and into the grace of Jesus Christ. What a great privilege we have in doing that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is Part Two of a message that\u2019s called \u201cDo Christians Have It Wrong on Human Sexuality?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Message] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, the culture says there are two kinds of people in the world. There are those who are uptight and repressed about their sexuality; and there are those who are liberated and free, with regard to their sexuality; right? And, \u201cYou should be liberated and free. Who wants to be uptight and repressed?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, the Bible says there are not two groups of people\u2014there is one group. And the one group is the broken people\u2014sexually. Our experience of sex is not what it was supposed to be. Our desire for sex, our lack of interest in sex, or our lack of commitment to sex in our marriage\u2014whatever it looks like, whatever your sexual sin\u2014did you catch that? Did you catch how your indifference toward sex in marriage is as much sexual sin as sex outside of marriage is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe husband or the wife who says, \u201cI\u2019m not really interested\u201d\u2014well, wait, wait, wait! God said, \u201cDo it.\u201d So, when you say, \u201cI\u2019m not interested,\u201d it\u2019s a rebellion against God. \u201cHuh?\u201d Yes, you see\u2014our sexual brokenness can happen in all kinds of ways\u2014all kinds of manifestations. So, what happens is that our brokenness and our rebellion\u2014our soul is longing for what God created us to long for\u2014the rightness of that sexual experience\u2014your soul craves that. We\u2019re intended for intimacy. Our soul longs for it, but we settle for cheap substitutes for the real thing\u2014things that let us down. The song says, \u201cWe look for love in all the wrong places.\u201d We think, \u201cMaybe, if I do this\u2026.\" or, \u201cMaybe, if I do that\u2026.\u201d or, \u201cIf I try this technique\u2026.\u201d or, \u201cIf I do this, maybe, then, I\u2019ll get what my soul is longing for will happen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re always disappointed when we pursue the sexual substitutes\u2014always\u2014whether it\u2019s a single person, a married person\u2014whether it is solo sex\u2014whatever it is, you\u2019re always disappointed because it always falls short of what God intended. You\u2019ve got to be rightly-related to God, and you\u2019ve got to understand His design and intention for sexuality in order for it to be what your soul longs for it to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I want you to hear. It\u2019s not about technique. It\u2019s not about the right setting. It\u2019s not about the right mood. It\u2019s not about how much chocolate was involved; okay? It is about being in a right relationship with God\u2014where He satisfies the longing of your soul\u2014and He provides the sanctifying grace that you need in order to experience His gift as it was intended to be experienced within the parameters He created for it in the first place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Before sin came into the world\u2014get this\u2014Genesis 2, there was no lust. Adam never lusted. There was no adultery. There was no fornication. There was no pornography. There was no homosexuality, no sexual perversion of any kind. But when sin came into the world, sex broke. The brokenness can be as subtle as sexual selfishness, where sex is used as a way to control or manipulate somebody else. It can be the sinful desire to watch movies, or television, or shows that will stir up lustful, sexual passion inside of you. That\u2019s a part of your sexual brokenness. That\u2019s a part of engaging in arousal, outside of the bonds of marriage, where God designed for it to happen. Or your sexual brokenness can show up in a variety of sexual addictions, or anonymous sex, or other activities that reveal just how deeply broken people can be in this area of our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s what\u2019s happening in the culture today. We still have a pretty universal consensus that pedophilia and rape are terrible things. I cannot guarantee you that, 20 years from now, the culture will feel that way about those things because if you took me back, 20 years ago, and said, \u201cOne day, homosexuality will be seen as legitimate, viable, and gay marriage will be accepted,\u201d I\u2019d have gone, \u201cNo, that\u2019s a little\u2014that\u2019s crazy!\u201d So, when we sit and think, \u201cThe legitimization of pedophilia\u2014that\u2019s crazy!\u201d Well, guess what? Crazy is happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was born in 1956. So, between the time I was born and the time I became a teen, America had experienced a Cultural Revolution\u2014a <em>huge<\/em> cultural revolution. That Cultural Revolution affected fashion. It affected hairstyles. It affected the music we were listening to. A big part of it was the sexual revolution that took place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>In the \u201860\u2019s, if there was a sure way to know if something was right or wrong, here\u2019s how you determined it. If your parents were for it, it was wrong. That was our belief. <em>Time<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>Magazine\u20141967\u2014declared the \u201cMan of the Year for 1966\u201d was people 25 and under. Young people were the \u201cMan of the Year\u201d because we had a whole new view. We saw life differently. In fact, my generation believed that we knew better about life than our parents ever did. So, poets of our generation wrote things like: \u201cCome mothers and fathers, throughout the land, and don\u2019t criticize what you can\u2019t understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old world is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can\u2019t lend a hand for the times\u2014they are a-changin\u2019.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, can I just say, parenthetically here, that the Prophet Jeremiah had a little poetry answer-back to Bob Dylan? He said, in Jeremiah 6:16, \u201cThus, said the Lord, \u2018Stand by the roads and look and ask for the ancient paths where the good way is and walk in it and find rest for your souls;\u2019 but they say, \u2018We will not walk in it.\u2019\u201d Here\u2019s the new generation saying: \u201cWe know how to do it better than you\u2019ve ever done it. In fact, we\u2019re going to try some things societies never tried before.\u201d Well, I want to suggest to you that the legacy of the generation of the \u201860\u2019s\u2014that tried things that society had never tried before\u2014is not a positive legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSexual sin was not new in the \u201860\u2019s; but here\u2019s what was new\u2014all of a sudden, we didn\u2019t call it sin anymore. All of a sudden, there were no taboos. All of a sudden, the idea that sex before marriage or sex outside of marriage was wrong started to evaporate. Sex anytime was groovy. It was natural. In fact, in the \u201860\u2019s, people started to wonder: \u201cMaybe, marriage, itself, is the problem. Who needs a piece of paper anyway?\u201d right? I mean, all you need to do is: \u201cJust as long as you are in love\u2026.\u201d People started saying their vows\u2014<em>not<\/em> \u201c\u2026as long as the two shall <em>live<\/em>,\u201d but, \u201c\u2026as long as the two shall <em>love<\/em>.\u201d We started writing songs like: \u201cBeing shackled by the ink stains that have dried upon some lines.\u201d We talked about: \u201cIf you can\u2019t be with the one you love\u201d\u2014what?\u2014\u201cLove the one\u2026.\u201d (You were there, too; weren\u2019t you?) [Laughter] \u201cFree love!\u201d is the cry. \u201cYou need to get rid of your hang ups about sex, Man!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat happened in the \u201860\u2019s is\u2014we uncoupled sex from marriage\u2014pardon the pun\u2014we uncoupled it. I would suggest, to you, that the results of that uncoupling today\u2014the sexual liberation\u2014has been devastating. We don\u2019t have time to go through the whole legacy of it\u2014but I would say 50 million abortions\u2014the disintegration of families. Used to be that the normal path somebody would follow in a relationship is\u2014you would start to date; and then, you\u2019d get engaged; and then, you\u2019d get married; and then, you\u2019d have sex; and then, you\u2019d move in together, and have sex, and have kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, here\u2019s what most kids do\u2014date, have sex, move in together, have kids, get engaged, get married\u201441 percent of all babies, born in our country this year\u2014born to single parents. Then, if you take the babies born to single parents and you take the babies born to cohabiting unmarried couples\u2014most babies are not born to a mom and dad who are married. Has the sexual revolution brought on good fruit or bitter fruit? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here\u2019s how it\u2019s affecting <em>you<\/em>. You may say, \u201cWell, I don\u2019t\u2014you know, I\u2019m following the old ways.\u201d Okay, but we live in a culture where sexual sin is now celebrated. It\u2019s normalized. It\u2019s made to look attractive and glamorous in our culture. You can\u2019t help but be influenced by that. The temptation to sexual sin is more intense than it\u2019s ever been. It is more constant. It\u2019s more accessible than ever. Your friends tell you that your attitude about sex is judgmental or self-righteous. All around you are people\u2014even Christians\u2014who are disregarding God\u2019s design for sexual purity. It looks like they are doing fine. In fact, in some cases, you look and you go: \u201cI think they look happy.\u201d You start to think\u2014well, maybe\u2014\u201cWhy should I live this way?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here\u2019s why\u2014because the God who created you, and designed\u2014and designed sex knows that it is a good gift. It\u2019s a blessing from Him. It\u2019s given to you if you live it out the way He intended for you to do it and practice it. You will not do the damage to your soul that will come if you take it outside the bounds. See, that\u2019s why God says: \u201cDon\u2019t do except for here because, when you do it out there, it\u2019s going to degrade you. It\u2019s going to cheapen you. It\u2019s going to wound you. It\u2019s going to rob you of a sense of who you are.\u201d The question always comes up, \u201cOkay, well\u201d\u2014you know, single people say: \u201cWell, okay, what can you do? Is sex, outside of marriage, really wrong? Where does it say that in the Bible?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just give you five passages you can take home and you can look up on your own; okay? The first one is First Corinthians, Chapter 6, verses 9-20. That section lays it out pretty clearly. The second one is First Thessalonians, Chapter 4, verses 3-8. Then, read Ephesians, Chapter 5, verses 3-17. If you still aren\u2019t convinced, read Colossians 3, 5, and 6\u2014read Galatians 5:19-21. If you need me to give you those verses later, I\u2019ll do that; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we\u2019ve focused on sexual sin, in general, so far in this message\u2014but I want us to take a little bit of time\u2014and I want us to zero in on where the point of the spear is, right now, in our culture. This is one particular area of sexual brokenness\u2014one particular disordered desire. It\u2019s the area of same-sex attraction and homosexuality. All we\u2019re going to have time for this morning is for me to give you some broad statements that I think we, as people who battle with our own sexual brokenness, need to keep in mind as homosexuality moves more into the mainstream in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere are my seven. Here is my first one: Acting on homosexual desire is clearly seen, in Scripture, as rebellion against God and His creative design. If you wonder where that is\u2014it\u2019s in the second half of Romans, Chapter 1; and it\u2019s in First Corinthians, Chapter 6. I only give you those two verses because, a lot of times, if you are in dialogue with people on this subject, they want to take you to Leviticus. They want to say: \u201cOh, so, Leviticus says you should stone homosexuals. So, do you think you should stone homosexuals? What about disobedient children? What about eating shell fish? What about mixing fabrics?\u201d You get into this whole thing with people who don\u2019t understand the difference between the Old Covenant\u2014and what it pointed to\u2014and the New Covenant, after Christ came. So, I\u2019m giving you two passages, after Jesus came, that deal with homosexuality so that you can say: \u201cYou know what? Forget Leviticus. Let\u2019s just talk about Romans 1 and First Corinthians 6.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s a second thing: In addition to what God says about homosexuality, the way He designed the human bodies to fit together in the sex act is evidence that God\u2019s design is for heterosexuality not homosexuality. Natural law is what we called this. You want to take the Bible out of it and just say: \u201cBodies don\u2019t fit together if it\u2019s a man and a man or a woman and a woman. They were\u2014we were designed to fit together.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the third thing: The fact that Jesus does not anywhere specifically condemn homosexuality does not mean that it\u2019s now pleasing to God. People say, \u201cWell, Jesus never said anything against homosexuality.\u201d In fact, He did in Matthew, Chapter 19, when He talks about \u201cFrom the beginning\u2026\u201d\u2014they are asking about adultery. He says\u2014He says, \u201cSexual sin\u201d\u2014He says: \u201cFrom the beginning, it was not so. Have you not read, \u2018He created them male and female, and the man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, He takes them back to the design of God. He doesn\u2019t address homosexuality, specifically; but in the context of sexual sin, He points them to what sexual righteousness is supposed to look like. So, anything that is outside of sexual righteousness is sexual sin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber four: God\u2019s grace toward us, in spite of our sexual brokenness, should make us humble, and compassionate, and gracious toward others who are dealing with their own sexual brokenness. Here\u2019s the trap we fall into. You come to somebody who is experiencing same-sex attraction. You think that they are fundamentally different than you. The truth is that their sexual brokenness is just a different flavor than yours. They\u2019re broken in a different way; but it\u2019s not they\u2019re broken, and you\u2019re not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber five: In the same way that we would agree that there is a different degree of sinfulness between heterosexual lust and fornication, or heterosexual lust and adultery\u2014you\u2019d agree; right?\u2014that if somebody lusts after somebody else, that\u2019s one degree of sinfulness; but if somebody is in adultery, we\u2019ve gone to a new degree. Would you agree with that? You think it\u2019s the same? I would suggest to you that there are levels of sinfulness, in terms of how that\u2019s lived out. That if I have anger\u2014all sin is equal, before God, in terms of culpability but not in terms of severity. That\u2019s what I am suggesting here. So that, if I have anger toward you, it is a different degree of sinfulness than if I murder you. That\u2019s my presupposition here. We can have the discussion afterwards if you want to; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I would say, because there is a degree of difference there, we should also agree that there is a difference between homosexual desire and homosexual behavior. They are both broken; but they are broken at a different degree of brokenness. Just as someone who resists the desire to look at pornography ought to be commended and affirmed\u2014and they should. If somebody said: \u201cMan! I\u2019m battling this, and I was tempted, and I resisted,\u201d we should cheer that brother on. Well, in the same way, if somebody, who is a follower of Jesus, who experiences same-sex attraction and who does not give in to the temptation to act on his same-sex attraction, is a person who is demonstrating admirable self-control and should be commended. We should have respect and compassion for that brother or sister in Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd number seven: If you are here this morning and you\u2019re experiencing same-sex attraction, for whatever reason, you need to know that you\u2019re experiencing a desire to do something that God forbids; and you need to know you are welcome here. Okay? You are among friends. We all do battle, daily, with our own sexual brokenness. Welcome to the church of the sexually-broken. You\u2019re here with other sexually-broken people. We want to be your ally as you continue to do battle against sexual temptation\u2014however it manifests in you\u2014and we need you to be our ally as we battle our own sexual temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019ve been listening to Part Two of a message on the subject of where the culture and the Bible collide around human sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what was there unclear about what you just said there? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are some people who object to the idea of talking about our behavior in terms of brokenness because I think they think it takes away responsibility. You know, if I say, \u201cI\u2019m broken in this area; then, I\u2019m not responsible.\u201d That wasn\u2019t what I was trying to communicate. I hope folks understand: Yes, we are all broken; but we got that way because of our rebellion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think Paul said it in Romans best. He said, \u201cFor all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.\u201d We\u2019re all broken people, who were made in God\u2019s image\u2014but as a result of our own selfishness, our own pride, our own tendency to tell God, \u201cYou go your way, I\u2019m going mine,\u201d\u2014we are broken people. I think the problem with those of us\u2014who have come to know Jesus Christ, and redemption, and forgiveness of sin\u2014is, sometimes, we can forget what it\u2019s like to be in a state of brokenness, without hope. So, now, we experience this brokenness with hope. We collide with other people who don\u2019t believe as we believe or don\u2019t behave as we behave. We begin to pick up the stones to throw stones at them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is why, I think, the Christian community has earned a good bit of its reputation for being a finger-pointing, judgmental group of people, who can look down on sinners. I think what you are trying to do, in your message, that you did extremely well, and what we try to do, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is say to folks: \u201cWe are all in need of a Savior. We just would like you to find Him, too. We don\u2019t want to say or do anything here that would discourage you from finding Him; but we want you to know the Bible has spoken on certain issues of life. We want to represent those issues in the most non-bashful way.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to be bold, but I don\u2019t want to poke people in the eye with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You want to speak the truth in love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really do. And I think our listeners get that. We\u2019ve heard from hundreds of listeners who have said: \u201cYou know what? You gave us courage to speak the truth in love in some situations in our family,\u201d\u2014because they may have some people who are dealing with sexual brokenness in their own extended family or, maybe, some of their own adult children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do want to equip you to be able to take on these tough issues\u2014where life and truth collide, and where we all have to live out our lives\u2014and hopefully, leave the aroma of Christ in the room\u2014both when we enter and when we leave. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You remember back, at the end of July, when we had David White and Ellen Dycas on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>? We talked about how distorted this issue of sexuality has become in our culture. David has written a book called <em>Sexual Sanity for Men<\/em> and Ellen has written a book called <em>Sexual Sanity for Women<\/em>. We\u2019ve got both of those books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. I think our listeners would find them helpful as they deal with what may be struggles in their own lives or trying to help others who are struggling in this area, in this culture. As we said today, \u201cWe\u2019re all broken when it comes to human sexuality.\u201d So, let me encourage you to get a copy of both of these books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to order online. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Ask about the books about sexual sanity when you call. Again, the number is 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I imagine, here, at the end of a busy week, that you are looking forward to the weekend and hoping for a little opportunity to rest; or maybe, your weekend is just as busy as your week has been. This month, we are saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those folks who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by sending a busyness care package. We\u2019ve got a CD that features a conversation we had with Joanne Kraft, talking about what you do when life gets just too busy\u2014how she handled that, as a mom, for her family\u2014and a copy of Dr. Tim Kimmel\u2019s book, <em>Little House on the Freeway<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll send both of those resources to you, this month, when you help us with a donation of, at least, $25 to help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We couldn\u2019t do what we do without you. Your contributions help cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can make a donation over the phone, and just ask for the \u201cBusyness Bundle\u201d. We\u2019ll send that to you. You can also mail a check to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in support of the ministry. Ask for the \u201cBusyness Bundle\u201d when you write to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at Box 7111, Little Rock, Arkansas. Arkansas is \u201cAR\u201d. And the zip code is 72223. <br><br>With that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for this week. Thanks for being with us. Hope you can join us back on Monday. Lydia Brownback is going to join us. We\u2019re going to talk about what the book of Proverbs has to say to us\u2014especially, what it has to say to women. We\u2019ll talk about that Monday. Hope you can tune in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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Lepine says there is only one source to whom we can turn to for the cleanup.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-09-20.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It used to be that love came first; then, marriage; then, sex. Today, we\u2019re not sure that those three words necessarily belong in the same sentence. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[\u201cMan in the Street\u201d Interviews]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> So, is there any link, in your mind, between sex and God? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Not in my mind. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Male:<\/strong> Well, that assumes there is a god. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> What\u2019s the question? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Yes. Could sex exist to glorify God and reflect His character? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> I don\u2019t know if I want to think about God like that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> And so-called \u201ctraditional standards\u201d\u2014where are they? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Like what? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Heterosexual marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> That\u2019s just a convention. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Is sex reserved for just a married man and woman? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> That\u2019s kind of legal; isn\u2019t it? Like didn\u2019t they pass laws about it or something? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> What\u2019s the question? [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Interviewer:<\/strong> Could sex exist to glorify God and reflect His character? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Female:<\/strong> Wow! I have never thought of it that way\u2014never related the two.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Male:<\/strong> What is this about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, September 20<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. The Bible offers clarity, in a culture of confusion, around human sexuality. We\u2019ll see if we can get some clarity today. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition. I\u2019ll tell you what\u2014if you want to get a lively discussion going, in the culture today, just bring up the subject of: \u201cWhat do you think about the issue of human sexuality?\u201d There are a lot of folks who have a lot of opinions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or of same-sex marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Those are hot topics\u2014as we certainly found, a few months ago, when we aired a broadcast\u2014where I just talked about my response to the Supreme Court\u2019s decision and the DOMA ruling\u2014and talked about how we, as believers, need to be found guilty of loving, and caring, and being kind, and being winsome\u2014but of still standing for the truth. They are going to hear both\u2014standing for the truth and a lot of humility and admission of brokenness\u2014 in the message that we\u2019re about to hear today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s given by Bob Lepine at Redeemer Church, here in Little Rock, Arkansas. We thought it was so good\u2014we wanted you, as a listener, to hear it. I think it\u2019s going to give you courage to stand for truth in a loving, kind, gracious, winsome way that invites people <em>out <\/em>of their broken lives and into the grace of Jesus Christ. What a great privilege we have in doing that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is Part Two of a message that\u2019s called \u201cDo Christians Have It Wrong on Human Sexuality?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Previously Recorded Message] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, the culture says there are two kinds of people in the world. There are those who are uptight and repressed about their sexuality; and there are those who are liberated and free, with regard to their sexuality; right? And, \u201cYou should be liberated and free. Who wants to be uptight and repressed?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, the Bible says there are not two groups of people\u2014there is one group. And the one group is the broken people\u2014sexually. Our experience of sex is not what it was supposed to be. Our desire for sex, our lack of interest in sex, or our lack of commitment to sex in our marriage\u2014whatever it looks like, whatever your sexual sin\u2014did you catch that? Did you catch how your indifference toward sex in marriage is as much sexual sin as sex outside of marriage is? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe husband or the wife who says, \u201cI\u2019m not really interested\u201d\u2014well, wait, wait, wait! God said, \u201cDo it.\u201d So, when you say, \u201cI\u2019m not interested,\u201d it\u2019s a rebellion against God. \u201cHuh?\u201d Yes, you see\u2014our sexual brokenness can happen in all kinds of ways\u2014all kinds of manifestations. So, what happens is that our brokenness and our rebellion\u2014our soul is longing for what God created us to long for\u2014the rightness of that sexual experience\u2014your soul craves that. We\u2019re intended for intimacy. Our soul longs for it, but we settle for cheap substitutes for the real thing\u2014things that let us down. The song says, \u201cWe look for love in all the wrong places.\u201d We think, \u201cMaybe, if I do this\u2026.\" or, \u201cMaybe, if I do that\u2026.\u201d or, \u201cIf I try this technique\u2026.\u201d or, \u201cIf I do this, maybe, then, I\u2019ll get what my soul is longing for will happen.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re always disappointed when we pursue the sexual substitutes\u2014always\u2014whether it\u2019s a single person, a married person\u2014whether it is solo sex\u2014whatever it is, you\u2019re always disappointed because it always falls short of what God intended. You\u2019ve got to be rightly-related to God, and you\u2019ve got to understand His design and intention for sexuality in order for it to be what your soul longs for it to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s what I want you to hear. It\u2019s not about technique. It\u2019s not about the right setting. It\u2019s not about the right mood. It\u2019s not about how much chocolate was involved; okay? It is about being in a right relationship with God\u2014where He satisfies the longing of your soul\u2014and He provides the sanctifying grace that you need in order to experience His gift as it was intended to be experienced within the parameters He created for it in the first place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Before sin came into the world\u2014get this\u2014Genesis 2, there was no lust. Adam never lusted. There was no adultery. There was no fornication. There was no pornography. There was no homosexuality, no sexual perversion of any kind. But when sin came into the world, sex broke. The brokenness can be as subtle as sexual selfishness, where sex is used as a way to control or manipulate somebody else. It can be the sinful desire to watch movies, or television, or shows that will stir up lustful, sexual passion inside of you. That\u2019s a part of your sexual brokenness. That\u2019s a part of engaging in arousal, outside of the bonds of marriage, where God designed for it to happen. Or your sexual brokenness can show up in a variety of sexual addictions, or anonymous sex, or other activities that reveal just how deeply broken people can be in this area of our lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s what\u2019s happening in the culture today. We still have a pretty universal consensus that pedophilia and rape are terrible things. I cannot guarantee you that, 20 years from now, the culture will feel that way about those things because if you took me back, 20 years ago, and said, \u201cOne day, homosexuality will be seen as legitimate, viable, and gay marriage will be accepted,\u201d I\u2019d have gone, \u201cNo, that\u2019s a little\u2014that\u2019s crazy!\u201d So, when we sit and think, \u201cThe legitimization of pedophilia\u2014that\u2019s crazy!\u201d Well, guess what? Crazy is happening. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was born in 1956. So, between the time I was born and the time I became a teen, America had experienced a Cultural Revolution\u2014a <em>huge<\/em> cultural revolution. That Cultural Revolution affected fashion. It affected hairstyles. It affected the music we were listening to. A big part of it was the sexual revolution that took place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>In the \u201860\u2019s, if there was a sure way to know if something was right or wrong, here\u2019s how you determined it. If your parents were for it, it was wrong. That was our belief. <em>Time<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>Magazine\u20141967\u2014declared the \u201cMan of the Year for 1966\u201d was people 25 and under. Young people were the \u201cMan of the Year\u201d because we had a whole new view. We saw life differently. In fact, my generation believed that we knew better about life than our parents ever did. So, poets of our generation wrote things like: \u201cCome mothers and fathers, throughout the land, and don\u2019t criticize what you can\u2019t understand. Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command. Your old world is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one if you can\u2019t lend a hand for the times\u2014they are a-changin\u2019.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, can I just say, parenthetically here, that the Prophet Jeremiah had a little poetry answer-back to Bob Dylan? He said, in Jeremiah 6:16, \u201cThus, said the Lord, \u2018Stand by the roads and look and ask for the ancient paths where the good way is and walk in it and find rest for your souls;\u2019 but they say, \u2018We will not walk in it.\u2019\u201d Here\u2019s the new generation saying: \u201cWe know how to do it better than you\u2019ve ever done it. In fact, we\u2019re going to try some things societies never tried before.\u201d Well, I want to suggest to you that the legacy of the generation of the \u201860\u2019s\u2014that tried things that society had never tried before\u2014is not a positive legacy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSexual sin was not new in the \u201860\u2019s; but here\u2019s what was new\u2014all of a sudden, we didn\u2019t call it sin anymore. All of a sudden, there were no taboos. All of a sudden, the idea that sex before marriage or sex outside of marriage was wrong started to evaporate. Sex anytime was groovy. It was natural. In fact, in the \u201860\u2019s, people started to wonder: \u201cMaybe, marriage, itself, is the problem. Who needs a piece of paper anyway?\u201d right? I mean, all you need to do is: \u201cJust as long as you are in love\u2026.\u201d People started saying their vows\u2014<em>not<\/em> \u201c\u2026as long as the two shall <em>live<\/em>,\u201d but, \u201c\u2026as long as the two shall <em>love<\/em>.\u201d We started writing songs like: \u201cBeing shackled by the ink stains that have dried upon some lines.\u201d We talked about: \u201cIf you can\u2019t be with the one you love\u201d\u2014what?\u2014\u201cLove the one\u2026.\u201d (You were there, too; weren\u2019t you?) [Laughter] \u201cFree love!\u201d is the cry. \u201cYou need to get rid of your hang ups about sex, Man!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat happened in the \u201860\u2019s is\u2014we uncoupled sex from marriage\u2014pardon the pun\u2014we uncoupled it. I would suggest, to you, that the results of that uncoupling today\u2014the sexual liberation\u2014has been devastating. We don\u2019t have time to go through the whole legacy of it\u2014but I would say 50 million abortions\u2014the disintegration of families. Used to be that the normal path somebody would follow in a relationship is\u2014you would start to date; and then, you\u2019d get engaged; and then, you\u2019d get married; and then, you\u2019d have sex; and then, you\u2019d move in together, and have sex, and have kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tToday, here\u2019s what most kids do\u2014date, have sex, move in together, have kids, get engaged, get married\u201441 percent of all babies, born in our country this year\u2014born to single parents. Then, if you take the babies born to single parents and you take the babies born to cohabiting unmarried couples\u2014most babies are not born to a mom and dad who are married. Has the sexual revolution brought on good fruit or bitter fruit? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here\u2019s how it\u2019s affecting <em>you<\/em>. You may say, \u201cWell, I don\u2019t\u2014you know, I\u2019m following the old ways.\u201d Okay, but we live in a culture where sexual sin is now celebrated. It\u2019s normalized. It\u2019s made to look attractive and glamorous in our culture. You can\u2019t help but be influenced by that. The temptation to sexual sin is more intense than it\u2019s ever been. It is more constant. It\u2019s more accessible than ever. Your friends tell you that your attitude about sex is judgmental or self-righteous. All around you are people\u2014even Christians\u2014who are disregarding God\u2019s design for sexual purity. It looks like they are doing fine. In fact, in some cases, you look and you go: \u201cI think they look happy.\u201d You start to think\u2014well, maybe\u2014\u201cWhy should I live this way?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, here\u2019s why\u2014because the God who created you, and designed\u2014and designed sex knows that it is a good gift. It\u2019s a blessing from Him. It\u2019s given to you if you live it out the way He intended for you to do it and practice it. You will not do the damage to your soul that will come if you take it outside the bounds. See, that\u2019s why God says: \u201cDon\u2019t do except for here because, when you do it out there, it\u2019s going to degrade you. It\u2019s going to cheapen you. It\u2019s going to wound you. It\u2019s going to rob you of a sense of who you are.\u201d The question always comes up, \u201cOkay, well\u201d\u2014you know, single people say: \u201cWell, okay, what can you do? Is sex, outside of marriage, really wrong? Where does it say that in the Bible?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just give you five passages you can take home and you can look up on your own; okay? The first one is First Corinthians, Chapter 6, verses 9-20. That section lays it out pretty clearly. The second one is First Thessalonians, Chapter 4, verses 3-8. Then, read Ephesians, Chapter 5, verses 3-17. If you still aren\u2019t convinced, read Colossians 3, 5, and 6\u2014read Galatians 5:19-21. If you need me to give you those verses later, I\u2019ll do that; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we\u2019ve focused on sexual sin, in general, so far in this message\u2014but I want us to take a little bit of time\u2014and I want us to zero in on where the point of the spear is, right now, in our culture. This is one particular area of sexual brokenness\u2014one particular disordered desire. It\u2019s the area of same-sex attraction and homosexuality. All we\u2019re going to have time for this morning is for me to give you some broad statements that I think we, as people who battle with our own sexual brokenness, need to keep in mind as homosexuality moves more into the mainstream in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere are my seven. Here is my first one: Acting on homosexual desire is clearly seen, in Scripture, as rebellion against God and His creative design. If you wonder where that is\u2014it\u2019s in the second half of Romans, Chapter 1; and it\u2019s in First Corinthians, Chapter 6. I only give you those two verses because, a lot of times, if you are in dialogue with people on this subject, they want to take you to Leviticus. They want to say: \u201cOh, so, Leviticus says you should stone homosexuals. So, do you think you should stone homosexuals? What about disobedient children? What about eating shell fish? What about mixing fabrics?\u201d You get into this whole thing with people who don\u2019t understand the difference between the Old Covenant\u2014and what it pointed to\u2014and the New Covenant, after Christ came. So, I\u2019m giving you two passages, after Jesus came, that deal with homosexuality so that you can say: \u201cYou know what? Forget Leviticus. Let\u2019s just talk about Romans 1 and First Corinthians 6.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s a second thing: In addition to what God says about homosexuality, the way He designed the human bodies to fit together in the sex act is evidence that God\u2019s design is for heterosexuality not homosexuality. Natural law is what we called this. You want to take the Bible out of it and just say: \u201cBodies don\u2019t fit together if it\u2019s a man and a man or a woman and a woman. They were\u2014we were designed to fit together.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the third thing: The fact that Jesus does not anywhere specifically condemn homosexuality does not mean that it\u2019s now pleasing to God. People say, \u201cWell, Jesus never said anything against homosexuality.\u201d In fact, He did in Matthew, Chapter 19, when He talks about \u201cFrom the beginning\u2026\u201d\u2014they are asking about adultery. He says\u2014He says, \u201cSexual sin\u201d\u2014He says: \u201cFrom the beginning, it was not so. Have you not read, \u2018He created them male and female, and the man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, He takes them back to the design of God. He doesn\u2019t address homosexuality, specifically; but in the context of sexual sin, He points them to what sexual righteousness is supposed to look like. So, anything that is outside of sexual righteousness is sexual sin. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber four: God\u2019s grace toward us, in spite of our sexual brokenness, should make us humble, and compassionate, and gracious toward others who are dealing with their own sexual brokenness. Here\u2019s the trap we fall into. You come to somebody who is experiencing same-sex attraction. You think that they are fundamentally different than you. The truth is that their sexual brokenness is just a different flavor than yours. They\u2019re broken in a different way; but it\u2019s not they\u2019re broken, and you\u2019re not. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNumber five: In the same way that we would agree that there is a different degree of sinfulness between heterosexual lust and fornication, or heterosexual lust and adultery\u2014you\u2019d agree; right?\u2014that if somebody lusts after somebody else, that\u2019s one degree of sinfulness; but if somebody is in adultery, we\u2019ve gone to a new degree. Would you agree with that? You think it\u2019s the same? I would suggest to you that there are levels of sinfulness, in terms of how that\u2019s lived out. That if I have anger\u2014all sin is equal, before God, in terms of culpability but not in terms of severity. That\u2019s what I am suggesting here. So that, if I have anger toward you, it is a different degree of sinfulness than if I murder you. That\u2019s my presupposition here. We can have the discussion afterwards if you want to; okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I would say, because there is a degree of difference there, we should also agree that there is a difference between homosexual desire and homosexual behavior. They are both broken; but they are broken at a different degree of brokenness. Just as someone who resists the desire to look at pornography ought to be commended and affirmed\u2014and they should. If somebody said: \u201cMan! I\u2019m battling this, and I was tempted, and I resisted,\u201d we should cheer that brother on. Well, in the same way, if somebody, who is a follower of Jesus, who experiences same-sex attraction and who does not give in to the temptation to act on his same-sex attraction, is a person who is demonstrating admirable self-control and should be commended. We should have respect and compassion for that brother or sister in Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd number seven: If you are here this morning and you\u2019re experiencing same-sex attraction, for whatever reason, you need to know that you\u2019re experiencing a desire to do something that God forbids; and you need to know you are welcome here. Okay? You are among friends. We all do battle, daily, with our own sexual brokenness. Welcome to the church of the sexually-broken. You\u2019re here with other sexually-broken people. We want to be your ally as you continue to do battle against sexual temptation\u2014however it manifests in you\u2014and we need you to be our ally as we battle our own sexual temptation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019ve been listening to Part Two of a message on the subject of where the culture and the Bible collide around human sexuality. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what was there unclear about what you just said there? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are some people who object to the idea of talking about our behavior in terms of brokenness because I think they think it takes away responsibility. You know, if I say, \u201cI\u2019m broken in this area; then, I\u2019m not responsible.\u201d That wasn\u2019t what I was trying to communicate. I hope folks understand: Yes, we are all broken; but we got that way because of our rebellion. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think Paul said it in Romans best. He said, \u201cFor all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.\u201d We\u2019re all broken people, who were made in God\u2019s image\u2014but as a result of our own selfishness, our own pride, our own tendency to tell God, \u201cYou go your way, I\u2019m going mine,\u201d\u2014we are broken people. I think the problem with those of us\u2014who have come to know Jesus Christ, and redemption, and forgiveness of sin\u2014is, sometimes, we can forget what it\u2019s like to be in a state of brokenness, without hope. So, now, we experience this brokenness with hope. We collide with other people who don\u2019t believe as we believe or don\u2019t behave as we behave. We begin to pick up the stones to throw stones at them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is why, I think, the Christian community has earned a good bit of its reputation for being a finger-pointing, judgmental group of people, who can look down on sinners. I think what you are trying to do, in your message, that you did extremely well, and what we try to do, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, is say to folks: \u201cWe are all in need of a Savior. We just would like you to find Him, too. We don\u2019t want to say or do anything here that would discourage you from finding Him; but we want you to know the Bible has spoken on certain issues of life. We want to represent those issues in the most non-bashful way.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to be bold, but I don\u2019t want to poke people in the eye with it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You want to speak the truth in love. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I really do. And I think our listeners get that. We\u2019ve heard from hundreds of listeners who have said: \u201cYou know what? You gave us courage to speak the truth in love in some situations in our family,\u201d\u2014because they may have some people who are dealing with sexual brokenness in their own extended family or, maybe, some of their own adult children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do want to equip you to be able to take on these tough issues\u2014where life and truth collide, and where we all have to live out our lives\u2014and hopefully, leave the aroma of Christ in the room\u2014both when we enter and when we leave. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You remember back, at the end of July, when we had David White and Ellen Dycas on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>? We talked about how distorted this issue of sexuality has become in our culture. David has written a book called <em>Sexual Sanity for Men<\/em> and Ellen has written a book called <em>Sexual Sanity for Women<\/em>. We\u2019ve got both of those books in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. I think our listeners would find them helpful as they deal with what may be struggles in their own lives or trying to help others who are struggling in this area, in this culture. As we said today, \u201cWe\u2019re all broken when it comes to human sexuality.\u201d So, let me encourage you to get a copy of both of these books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to order online. Again, the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Ask about the books about sexual sanity when you call. Again, the number is 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I imagine, here, at the end of a busy week, that you are looking forward to the weekend and hoping for a little opportunity to rest; or maybe, your weekend is just as busy as your week has been. This month, we are saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those folks who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by sending a busyness care package. We\u2019ve got a CD that features a conversation we had with Joanne Kraft, talking about what you do when life gets just too busy\u2014how she handled that, as a mom, for her family\u2014and a copy of Dr. Tim Kimmel\u2019s book, <em>Little House on the Freeway<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll send both of those resources to you, this month, when you help us with a donation of, at least, $25 to help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We couldn\u2019t do what we do without you. Your contributions help cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, go, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. You can make a donation over the phone, and just ask for the \u201cBusyness Bundle\u201d. We\u2019ll send that to you. You can also mail a check to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> in support of the ministry. Ask for the \u201cBusyness Bundle\u201d when you write to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> at Box 7111, Little Rock, Arkansas. Arkansas is \u201cAR\u201d. And the zip code is 72223. <br><br>With that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for this week. Thanks for being with us. Hope you can join us back on Monday. Lydia Brownback is going to join us. We\u2019re going to talk about what the book of Proverbs has to say to us\u2014especially, what it has to say to women. We\u2019ll talk about that Monday. Hope you can tune in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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