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I\u2019ll stand, nose to nose, with <em>anyone<\/em> on that! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, July 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll hear today why Josh McDowell believes so passionately in the power of family. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there is a verse in Scripture when the Apostle Paul is talking about his life before he was converted. He talks about how faithful he tried to be as a Jew\u2014and how he was blameless, and a zealot for the Law\u2014but how he was also involved in persecuting Christians\u2014how he was an enemy of God. He comes to a point where he says, \u201cForgetting what lies behind, I press on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I think a lot of people read that verse; and they go: \u201cI would like to forget what lies behind in my life because I\u2019ve got some stuff that lies behind that is still holding me captive; but I don\u2019t know how to forget it. I don\u2019t know what that verse means. I don\u2019t know how to do that.\u201d I wonder if we can get some help with that today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All of us have a past. We tend to look at each other and take a snapshot of who we are today, and we don\u2019t realize that everybody is walking around with the knowledge of all their errors, all their shortcomings, maybe things that were done to them\u2014evil things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a guest with us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Josh McDowell, who has been sharing a good bit of his story with our listeners. Josh\u2014welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s good to be back with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh is a compadre\u2014a fellow warrior\u2014on Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> staff. He\u2019s been on staff now more than 50 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Fifty-one years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh has been married to Dottie for 42 years. They have four children and ten grandchildren. He, of course, has had a ministry to college students and to folks in multiple countries, around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been sharing with us, this week, about your childhood and some of the horrific stuff that happened to you in your childhood. In fact, you tell a lot of this in the book you\u2019ve written called <em>Undaunted<\/em>, which is not just a book. It was made into a motion picture; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, it was made into a movie by one of the top directors in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That had to be, at some level, amazing but also painful for you to be a part of this process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I was only on the set\u2014which was shot way up in Northern Michigan because they have some of the finest studios in the world there\u2014and I was only there three days. The movie took a year to film and everything, but I wasn\u2019t\u2014I didn\u2019t need to be there. But in those three days, it was probably the hardest three days of my Christian life because I relived so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe director did such a phenomenal job. I mean, he caught it. The technique he used was, to me, incredible and so accurate. I mean, he investigated <em>everything<\/em>. Everybody that is alive\u2014that knew me, as a child\u2014he interviewed, talked to: \u201cIs this right? Did this\u2026\u201d \u201cWell, how did this happen?\u201d When I first saw the film, I had to stop it at least five times because all of a sudden, I visually saw where a lot of my hurts came from. I remember\u2014kept feeling sorry for the little boy I was watching\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014and then, it just hit me: \u201cWell, that was me.\u201d But you have to understand, I don\u2019t really, Bob, regret my past. God has used it in my life for the good! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How would you encourage a parent or a group of people in a church to treat a movie like this\u2014because this is destroying a lot of lives, but we don\u2019t know what to do with\u2014and I don\u2019t mean out-of-place graphic nature of the film because there is nothing graphic about it; but you know what\u2019s taking place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There are a lot of themes in here that a lot of parents would go, \u201cI don\u2019t want my kids to see this.\u201d <br><br><strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. But I\u2019ll tell you this\u2014when I get up to speak\u2014and Steve Arterburn taught me this. He was little low on the statistics, I think. Steve said, \u201cJosh, when you ever get up to speak to any evangelical, born-again, Christian church group young people, you\u2019ve got to have, in your mind, that 1 out of 3\u2014a third of them\u2014have been sexually abused or extremely sexually harassed.\u201d <br><br>The way to use this film\u2014first of all, for an individual\u2014every family, if they have children six, seven, eight, nine years old up, to 30 years old ought to watch it, as a family. Say, \u201cThat young?\u201d Yes, because there are several things it will do within the family, if the parents are wise. One, if your child in anyway has ever been approached by a family member or someone else, it will come out. That\u2019s healthy! Secondly, this film will help you to take these themes and interact with your child about them to build in safety factors\u2014everything\u2014for your daughter, for your son. At six, seven, eight years old, it\u2019s so important! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You believe that a good preparation for facing these issues is better than playing defense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely! You\u2019ve got\u2014in today\u2019s culture\u2014with the internet, everything else\u2014<em>you\u2019ve got to take the offensive<\/em>! This film, what it does\u2014to me, it\u2019s so well-done, so professionally-done by this director, that your kids will watch it. It will open up doors of conversation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014in several areas: in violence, in alcohol, and in abuse\u2014sex abuse and all. Maybe your children have never been sexually abused, but many of their friends have been. What this film does\u2014it helps believers to help their friends and all who have been abused. I say to the average Christian\u2014I say to you two guys, here\u2014each one of you know at least 20 people that have been sexually abused. You say, \u201cNo.\u201d Yes! You just don\u2019t know it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> At least 20! Every single person in the United States knows at least 20 people who have been sexually abused. What this film does is\u2014when you do find out, it helps you to give them hope. For someone that watches this film\u2014and boy, this has been the feedback\u2014from who have been abused\u2014one of the first comments is: \u201cIt\u2019s one of the first times in my life I\u2019ve had hope. When I saw what God did in your life, I don\u2019t have to be a victim.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s where I think you can help us because a lot of people will come to faith\u2014and they think that\u2019s just going to fix everything\u2014and at some level, coming to faith is the beginning part of that journey to get some of the past issues fixed. But it has been a journey for you; hasn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I don\u2019t think God ever intended, in the majority of these situations, for it to be a 24-hour fix. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s a process. For me, it\u2019s been a lifetime process, and I\u2019m glad it was. I truly believe, Bob, every day I become a better person. I think I\u2019ve become a better follower of Jesus, a better husband, a better father, a better friend, and a better friend of those who have been abused and affected by alcohol. I have grown more through this experience. I don\u2019t know how I could have grown through anything else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s the key\u2014when I went to meet with Steve Arterburn of the New Life Treatment Centers, I shared with him some of the things that I had done. There were several things that he said, \u201cJosh, I cannot believe what you did in your life that most people don\u2019t even do with counseling.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat do you mean?\u201d And he\u2019d listened to me for three hours. He said, \u201cOne, you never looked at yourself as a victim.\u201d I\u2019m not. I am not a victim. I never did: \u201cThis will not define my life,\u201d and it hasn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said: \u201cJosh, do you realize how healthy that is?\u2014because you didn\u2019t go into self-pity and everything. Second, you never looked at yourself as damaged goods.\u201d See, most people who are sexually abused\u2014they are raped, whatever\u2014they look at themselves as damaged goods. They become very sexually promiscuous or repeat the behavior that they received from somebody else. I never looked at myself as damaged goods, and I didn\u2019t realize how healthy of an attitude that is\u2014especially, when I came to know Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, here\u2019s a phrase\u2014oh, I get excited about this one! This phrase has liberated me more than <em>anything<\/em> I\u2019ve ever thought of in my entire life. It\u2019s after I came to know Jesus and I saw how He gave me the ability to forgive. I learned this phrase, Bob: \u201cThere\u2019s nothing too great in my life for God\u2019s power to deal with\u2014<em>nothing<\/em>\u2014and there\u2019s nothing too small or insignificant, meaningless, for God\u2019s love to be concerned about.\u201d That freed me up to trust Him with areas of my life that\u2019d be very easy to say, \u201cWell, God doesn\u2019t love me. He doesn\u2019t care about that.\u201d He cares about everything in my life. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other is I realized I could not go it alone. I needed help. And Steve said, \u201cJosh, hardly anyone ever goes down the healing path if they don\u2019t trust somebody else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Most people, because of their shame and embarrassment, just say, \u201cI can\u2019t bring anybody else into my life to help me with this. I\u2019ve got to do it on my own;\u201d right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, because of that shame. Unless you\u2019ve been through it, Bob, you can\u2019t\u2014that shame is so powerful in your life\u2014but if I hadn\u2019t entrusted the shame\u2014everything else\u2014to others in the body of Christ that ministered to me, I don\u2019t think I would have made it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019d still be locked up today, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to give you a great illustration of this. I recently had breakfast with a dozen wounded warriors. I asked these guys, \u201cWhat\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re talking about guys who served in the military, who were physically wounded in battle; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And those who are suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome. I didn\u2019t know what I\u2019d get. I didn\u2019t know what kind of answers they would give me\u2014whether it would be a battlefield story or whether it would be something else. It was interesting\u2014out of a dozen guys\u2014eleven\u2014all said the same thing you just said, Josh. Now, this looks like these are two different issues, but they are not. The most courageous thing they\u2019d ever done was admitting they needed help\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014that they needed another human being to engage with them around their need\u2014that they weren\u2019t able to fix this thing themselves. They needed another human being; and they needed God, in the process, to reach through. That\u2019s what you\u2019re really saying here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. But here I want to reemphasize this\u2014so much of what I came to know\u2014about God, and Christ, and alive in my life, and everything\u2014just didn\u2019t come through prayer and the Scriptures. It came through the body of Christ <em>ministering<\/em> the Scriptures into my life\u2014seeing it in their lives gave me hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I saw Dick and Charlotte, and Paul and Leslie, and Jim and Vivian Simpson, I saw: \u201cMan, there is a great marriage out there. Why can\u2019t I have that? I can.\u201d I watched them. I\u2019d listened to them. I picked up little tiny things that <em>still pay off in my life<\/em> in my marriage to Dottie\u2014that I never got from my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, as a father\u2014oh, I was afraid of getting married. After I got married, I was truly scared to have children because I was so afraid that I\u2019d reproduce what my parents had. I didn\u2019t want to have children; but thanks to God for Dottie, and for Paul and Leslie, and Jim and Vivian, and others around my life. I saw fathers who loved their kids. I saw fathers who spent time with their kids. I saw kids who loved their dad! I hated my dad, and this gave me hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, where do you go to get answers? You go to those who give you hope. And that\u2019s what I did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Josh, I\u2019ve heard you say on numerous occasions, \u201cYou took the family that you grew up in, and you used that wound to turn it into a scar that reflected God\u2019s love for you.\u201d You wanted to have a better family, a better marriage. You wanted to have something that was alive, not the kind of evil you had seen displayed in the home you grew up in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> You know, this is a conflict now. Remember, when I said that liberating time in my life\u2014when I got down on my knees in that hotel room and I thanked God for my parents\u2014for an alcoholic father, for being sexually abused, and they didn\u2019t do anything about it\u2014but I walked away saying, \u201cBut that\u2019s not the kind of family I want.\u201d I was thankful for the family I had\u2014my mother and dad\u2014but I didn\u2019t want to be that kind of parent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I believe one of the most powerful witnesses of a church needs to start with the pastor in the pulpit. Every church needs a pastor who has a loving, close, intimate relationship with his wife and spends time with his children to give hope to those single moms out there\u2014single dads\u2014to give hope to kids, like me\u2014kids that are coming from broken homes that, \u201cLook, it is possible!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is why, everywhere I go, I talk about Dottie. I can\u2019t help it, but I also do it with a purpose. I want every kid that ever hears me speak that a happy, joyful marriage is possible through Christ, regardless of what your past is. I\u2019ll stand, nose to nose, with <em>anyone<\/em> on that! So, I talk about my wife <em>all the time<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Early in your Christian life, you had a chance to meet and to hear from the founder and president of Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dr. Bill Bright. Some of what he shared with you, as a new Christian, was transformative; wasn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, yes. He came to Wheaton College\u2014I\u2019ll tell you, I was a fairly-new Christian. He said, \u201cIf any of you want to know how to really know God in an intimate way and walk every day in victory,\u201d\u2014something like that\u2014he said, \u201cwhy don\u2019t you meet with me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Frank Kypher, Jim Green, Dick Purnell, and I met with him in the student union\u2014in the cafeteria or the little coffee place at Wheaton College. He took a sheet of paper\u2014hat I remember I took it. I didn\u2019t let the other guys get it. I pulled it off the table and took it with me. He drew out about how to be filled with the Holy Spirit by faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember I walked out of there\u2014I remember what he said was: \u201cYou need to, one\u2014Desire it. Seek righteousness. Second\u2014No unconfessed sin your life. Third\u2014Every area that you\u2019re aware of in your life\u2014that it is yielded to Christ. Then, fourth\u2014Ask the Holy Spirit to fill you.\u201d I walked out of that time knowing I would never again, in my life, have the excuse to not know how to walk\u2014filled with the Holy Spirit, by faith. To this day\u2014of something directly from the Scriptures \/ outside the Scriptures\u2014that directed my life\u2014it\u2019s been those four steps. I owe that to Bill Bright. The thing is he <em>lived<\/em> that before me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is one other thing that I want you to just comment on briefly because I know this marks your life, as well, and had to have been used by God in your life to bring healing. You are a man on a mission. You\u2019re not a victim, wallowing in self-pity. You get up every day on a mission to be a part of the Great Commission, making disciples of all nations. Comment on that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I don\u2019t get up every day. I get up <em>early<\/em> every morning. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I stand corrected! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Well, when I came to Christ, I probably had an understanding of it far greater than I should have. I think the Lord just used the Scriptures that I\u2019d studied before being a Christian and all and the right people in my life\u2014I had this burning desire to tell the world, especially young people. I was all set for law school\u2014full scholarship\u2014everything. It was my life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I left to go to UCLA law school. I\u2019d made a lot of money. I started Superior Painting Company\u2014sold it when I was a kid and made <em>a lot<\/em> of money. I had a brand-new MG sports car, and I took off for California. I got to Grand Canyon. There were kids there, from about 15 countries, going down to the bottom. I walked down with them and back. Dennis, that\u2019s when I realized what I had; and they didn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I saw these young people, from all over the world, I realized what Jesus had done in my life, and the joy, and the peace, and all\u2014that I came out of there\u2014I got to California\u2014and in the bathroom, I picked up this magazine. There was a little verse in there for Talbot Theological Seminary. I\u2019d never heard of it. I had never even thought of seminary, but something just happened: \u201cGo there!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the next morning\u2014it was Friday morning. I got up because law school didn\u2019t start until Monday. I got up, drove over to Talbot Seminary, and went in. I said, \u201cI\u2019d like to go to seminary here.\u201d The lady looked around; and she said, \u201cWell, we don\u2019t have an application.\u201d I said: \u201cI know. I never heard of you until last night.\u201d She said, \u201cWell, it\u2019ll take two or three months to matriculate you, and get it through, and everything.\u201d I was kind of relieved.\u00a0 <br><br>So, I walked out. I knew I was going to follow God if He wanted me to in that. As I got to the door, I said, \u201cWell, who is the last person that I could talk to?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, Dr. Charles Feinberg\u201d\u2014very dedicated, Jewish, Hebrew scholar, who was a dean in seminary. I said, \u201cIs he here?\u201d \u201cYes, he\u2019s in his office.\u201d So, I walked right on. She said, \u201cWell, you can\u2019t\u2026\u201d\u2014I opened the door. I walked in\u2014walked up to his desk. I think I was really arrogant\u2014I really do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked up. I told him my story about how I went and read this\u2014and I said, \u201cI really don\u2019t want to go to seminary, but God seems to\u201d\u2014and I said, \u201cCan I go to seminary?\u201d He looked at me. His eyes were big, and he looked out, at my car. He said, \u201cIs that your car?\u201d And the dumbest thing I said to Dr. Charles Feinberg\u2014I said, \u201cOh, yes, man, you love and shove it. Shove it to the floor, and it loves to go.\u201d [Laughter] I said that to Dr. Charles Feinberg. He looked at me and he said, \u201cYoung man, call Wheaton College. Have them airmail out your transcripts. You can start classes Monday.\u201d I was crushed! I thought, \u201cDid I just throw my whole life away?\u201d I started classes. I was miserable. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut during that first two \/ three weeks, I dated a number of young ladies and everything. I was in Dr. James Christian\u2019s Church History class. He made some statement, in the class, about me\u2014about girls I\u2019d been dating; and it was totally appropriate. Well, oh, it ticked me off! I get up\u2014went up front to Dr. James Christian. I threw my books on his desk and said, \u201cI\u2019ve had it!\u201d and I walked out to go to law school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked out. Just as you come out of Biola and go to the left\u2014now, they own it; but at that time, it was a junior high school. It was about five minutes to twelve. A bell rang, and kids were coming out all over the place. I\u2019ve never shared this publicly. It was like I was frozen in time. I don\u2019t know what happened; but in my recall\u2014I couldn\u2019t move. Kids were going out, all around me. <br><br>If ever I heard a voice from God, it was then. He said: \u201cJosh, I\u2019ve called you to reach young people. Don\u2019t ever turn back.\u201d I don\u2019t know what happened there, but all I know is something happened. I turned around, went back into that class\u2014because it ended at 12:30. In front of the entire class, I apologized to Dr. Christian for what I had done\u2014what I had said. I\u2019ve got to tell you. Every day of seminary, after that, became exciting. It went from a cemetery to a seminary. From that day on, I have never looked back. It just always rings: \u201cI have called you to reach young people. Don\u2019t turn back.\u201d It doesn\u2019t mean, \u201c\u2026until it gets rough,\u201d no! \u201cDon\u2019t turn back.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and the point about being on mission\u2014because the Apostle Paul said, \u201cForgetting what lies behind, I press on.\u201d And it\u2019s that focus on mission that is a part of what God uses to help make sense of our past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and Paul goes on to say\u2014he says, \u201cI press on to the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.\u201d And he says, \u201cLet those of us who are mature think this way and if in anything, He\u2019ll reveal it to you.\u201d The idea was, \u201cIf you make a stupid choice\u201d\u2014like Josh nearly made at that seminary class that day\u2014\u201cGod is plenty big enough to correct the errors and to get us going in the right direction.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJosh, I\u2019m glad that you went back into that class because you had a great impact on my life, as a college junior, who was dealing with issues of faith, and doubt, and struggling in my own faith. I wanted to follow Christ, but I just had a number of questions. You helped me answer those questions. You\u2019ve been a great friend over the years. I appreciate you. And\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> And now, you and Bob are answering questions of so many more. But just think\u2014if I hadn\u2019t gone back in, I could have been handling all your legal cases\u2014all your lawsuits. [Laughter] I could have handled them for you, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s frightening, frankly. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, I think all of us are glad that you\u2019ve spoken, and written books, and now, are sharing your story of your life in you book, <em>Undaunted<\/em>, and in the DVD. I think that\u2019s better than lawyering could have ever been. We have Josh\u2019s book, <em>Undaunted<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center, along with the DVD\u2014that is the movie of his young life. Both are available. If you\u2019d like to order, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. That\u2019s FamilyLifeToday.com. Josh\u2019s story, as you\u2019ve heard this week, is a compelling story\u2014one you may want to share with friends who have come from a hard place in their own lives. The DVD is the story in movie form. It\u2019s powerful, as well. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order these resources; or call, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY, 1-800-358-6329. Call us to order at 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know if you realize it. You hear us talk, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, about our broadcast production team and all of the folks, here at FamilyLife, who rally to make this program possible; but did you realize there are a lot people who we\u2019ve never met who also make this program possible? And that\u2019s some of you. We have Legacy Partners. We have folks who, from time to time, will make a contribution to support this ministry\u2014all of you folks, who do that\u2014you make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. You are part of this ministry with us; and we just want to say, \u201cThank you for the part you play.\u201d <br><br>This week, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d in a tangible way by sending you a copy of a conversation we had, not long ago, with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Their marriage story got made into a national movie about a year ago. Honestly, the story they tell is more compelling than the one Hollywood told. So, this week, if you are able to help support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation of any amount, we\u2019d love to send you our CD of our interview with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. Make an online donation, and we\u2019ll send the CD to you. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone, and just ask for the CD with the Carpenters when you call. We\u2019re happy to get that out to you. Again, we just want you to know how grateful we are to have you as part of the team, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. <br><br>And we hope you can join us back again tomorrow. We are not inviting Josh McDowell back. We\u2019ve had enough of him this week; but his wife, Dottie, is welcome tomorrow. And without Josh interfering, we\u2019re going to hear from her what it was like to meet, and marry, and be involved in decades of ministry, side by side, with her husband. So, you\u2019ll meet Dottie tomorrow. Hope you can be back for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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McDowell is redeeming his past by turning it into \u201cUndaunted,\u201d a motion picture about his life.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-07-10.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Josh McDowell did not grow up in a healthy, happy family; but he says, \u201cToday, the need for churches to be filled with healthy, happy families is a critical need.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Every church needs a pastor who has a loving, close, intimate relationship with his wife and spends time with his children to give hope to those single moms out there\u2014single dads\u2014to give hope to kids, like me\u2014kids that are coming from broken homes\u2014that happy, joyful marriage is possible through Christ, regardless of what your past is. I\u2019ll stand, nose to nose, with <em>anyone<\/em> on that! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, July 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll hear today why Josh McDowell believes so passionately in the power of family. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, there is a verse in Scripture when the Apostle Paul is talking about his life before he was converted. He talks about how faithful he tried to be as a Jew\u2014and how he was blameless, and a zealot for the Law\u2014but how he was also involved in persecuting Christians\u2014how he was an enemy of God. He comes to a point where he says, \u201cForgetting what lies behind, I press on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I think a lot of people read that verse; and they go: \u201cI would like to forget what lies behind in my life because I\u2019ve got some stuff that lies behind that is still holding me captive; but I don\u2019t know how to forget it. I don\u2019t know what that verse means. I don\u2019t know how to do that.\u201d I wonder if we can get some help with that today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> All of us have a past. We tend to look at each other and take a snapshot of who we are today, and we don\u2019t realize that everybody is walking around with the knowledge of all their errors, all their shortcomings, maybe things that were done to them\u2014evil things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have a guest with us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, Josh McDowell, who has been sharing a good bit of his story with our listeners. Josh\u2014welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s good to be back with you guys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh is a compadre\u2014a fellow warrior\u2014on Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> staff. He\u2019s been on staff now more than 50 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Fifty-one years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh has been married to Dottie for 42 years. They have four children and ten grandchildren. He, of course, has had a ministry to college students and to folks in multiple countries, around the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve been sharing with us, this week, about your childhood and some of the horrific stuff that happened to you in your childhood. In fact, you tell a lot of this in the book you\u2019ve written called <em>Undaunted<\/em>, which is not just a book. It was made into a motion picture; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, it was made into a movie by one of the top directors in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That had to be, at some level, amazing but also painful for you to be a part of this process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I was only on the set\u2014which was shot way up in Northern Michigan because they have some of the finest studios in the world there\u2014and I was only there three days. The movie took a year to film and everything, but I wasn\u2019t\u2014I didn\u2019t need to be there. But in those three days, it was probably the hardest three days of my Christian life because I relived so much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe director did such a phenomenal job. I mean, he caught it. The technique he used was, to me, incredible and so accurate. I mean, he investigated <em>everything<\/em>. Everybody that is alive\u2014that knew me, as a child\u2014he interviewed, talked to: \u201cIs this right? Did this\u2026\u201d \u201cWell, how did this happen?\u201d When I first saw the film, I had to stop it at least five times because all of a sudden, I visually saw where a lot of my hurts came from. I remember\u2014kept feeling sorry for the little boy I was watching\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014and then, it just hit me: \u201cWell, that was me.\u201d But you have to understand, I don\u2019t really, Bob, regret my past. God has used it in my life for the good! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How would you encourage a parent or a group of people in a church to treat a movie like this\u2014because this is destroying a lot of lives, but we don\u2019t know what to do with\u2014and I don\u2019t mean out-of-place graphic nature of the film because there is nothing graphic about it; but you know what\u2019s taking place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There are a lot of themes in here that a lot of parents would go, \u201cI don\u2019t want my kids to see this.\u201d <br><br><strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. But I\u2019ll tell you this\u2014when I get up to speak\u2014and Steve Arterburn taught me this. He was little low on the statistics, I think. Steve said, \u201cJosh, when you ever get up to speak to any evangelical, born-again, Christian church group young people, you\u2019ve got to have, in your mind, that 1 out of 3\u2014a third of them\u2014have been sexually abused or extremely sexually harassed.\u201d <br><br>The way to use this film\u2014first of all, for an individual\u2014every family, if they have children six, seven, eight, nine years old up, to 30 years old ought to watch it, as a family. Say, \u201cThat young?\u201d Yes, because there are several things it will do within the family, if the parents are wise. One, if your child in anyway has ever been approached by a family member or someone else, it will come out. That\u2019s healthy! Secondly, this film will help you to take these themes and interact with your child about them to build in safety factors\u2014everything\u2014for your daughter, for your son. At six, seven, eight years old, it\u2019s so important! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You believe that a good preparation for facing these issues is better than playing defense. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely! You\u2019ve got\u2014in today\u2019s culture\u2014with the internet, everything else\u2014<em>you\u2019ve got to take the offensive<\/em>! This film, what it does\u2014to me, it\u2019s so well-done, so professionally-done by this director, that your kids will watch it. It will open up doors of conversation\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014in several areas: in violence, in alcohol, and in abuse\u2014sex abuse and all. Maybe your children have never been sexually abused, but many of their friends have been. What this film does\u2014it helps believers to help their friends and all who have been abused. I say to the average Christian\u2014I say to you two guys, here\u2014each one of you know at least 20 people that have been sexually abused. You say, \u201cNo.\u201d Yes! You just don\u2019t know it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> At least 20! Every single person in the United States knows at least 20 people who have been sexually abused. What this film does is\u2014when you do find out, it helps you to give them hope. For someone that watches this film\u2014and boy, this has been the feedback\u2014from who have been abused\u2014one of the first comments is: \u201cIt\u2019s one of the first times in my life I\u2019ve had hope. When I saw what God did in your life, I don\u2019t have to be a victim.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Here\u2019s where I think you can help us because a lot of people will come to faith\u2014and they think that\u2019s just going to fix everything\u2014and at some level, coming to faith is the beginning part of that journey to get some of the past issues fixed. But it has been a journey for you; hasn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, yes. I don\u2019t think God ever intended, in the majority of these situations, for it to be a 24-hour fix. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s a process. For me, it\u2019s been a lifetime process, and I\u2019m glad it was. I truly believe, Bob, every day I become a better person. I think I\u2019ve become a better follower of Jesus, a better husband, a better father, a better friend, and a better friend of those who have been abused and affected by alcohol. I have grown more through this experience. I don\u2019t know how I could have grown through anything else. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut here\u2019s the key\u2014when I went to meet with Steve Arterburn of the New Life Treatment Centers, I shared with him some of the things that I had done. There were several things that he said, \u201cJosh, I cannot believe what you did in your life that most people don\u2019t even do with counseling.\u201d I said, \u201cWhat do you mean?\u201d And he\u2019d listened to me for three hours. He said, \u201cOne, you never looked at yourself as a victim.\u201d I\u2019m not. I am not a victim. I never did: \u201cThis will not define my life,\u201d and it hasn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said: \u201cJosh, do you realize how healthy that is?\u2014because you didn\u2019t go into self-pity and everything. Second, you never looked at yourself as damaged goods.\u201d See, most people who are sexually abused\u2014they are raped, whatever\u2014they look at themselves as damaged goods. They become very sexually promiscuous or repeat the behavior that they received from somebody else. I never looked at myself as damaged goods, and I didn\u2019t realize how healthy of an attitude that is\u2014especially, when I came to know Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, here\u2019s a phrase\u2014oh, I get excited about this one! This phrase has liberated me more than <em>anything<\/em> I\u2019ve ever thought of in my entire life. It\u2019s after I came to know Jesus and I saw how He gave me the ability to forgive. I learned this phrase, Bob: \u201cThere\u2019s nothing too great in my life for God\u2019s power to deal with\u2014<em>nothing<\/em>\u2014and there\u2019s nothing too small or insignificant, meaningless, for God\u2019s love to be concerned about.\u201d That freed me up to trust Him with areas of my life that\u2019d be very easy to say, \u201cWell, God doesn\u2019t love me. He doesn\u2019t care about that.\u201d He cares about everything in my life. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe other is I realized I could not go it alone. I needed help. And Steve said, \u201cJosh, hardly anyone ever goes down the healing path if they don\u2019t trust somebody else.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Most people, because of their shame and embarrassment, just say, \u201cI can\u2019t bring anybody else into my life to help me with this. 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The most courageous thing they\u2019d ever done was admitting they needed help\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014that they needed another human being to engage with them around their need\u2014that they weren\u2019t able to fix this thing themselves. They needed another human being; and they needed God, in the process, to reach through. That\u2019s what you\u2019re really saying here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes. But here I want to reemphasize this\u2014so much of what I came to know\u2014about God, and Christ, and alive in my life, and everything\u2014just didn\u2019t come through prayer and the Scriptures. It came through the body of Christ <em>ministering<\/em> the Scriptures into my life\u2014seeing it in their lives gave me hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I saw Dick and Charlotte, and Paul and Leslie, and Jim and Vivian Simpson, I saw: \u201cMan, there is a great marriage out there. Why can\u2019t I have that? I can.\u201d I watched them. I\u2019d listened to them. I picked up little tiny things that <em>still pay off in my life<\/em> in my marriage to Dottie\u2014that I never got from my parents. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, as a father\u2014oh, I was afraid of getting married. After I got married, I was truly scared to have children because I was so afraid that I\u2019d reproduce what my parents had. I didn\u2019t want to have children; but thanks to God for Dottie, and for Paul and Leslie, and Jim and Vivian, and others around my life. I saw fathers who loved their kids. I saw fathers who spent time with their kids. I saw kids who loved their dad! I hated my dad, and this gave me hope. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, where do you go to get answers? You go to those who give you hope. And that\u2019s what I did. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And Josh, I\u2019ve heard you say on numerous occasions, \u201cYou took the family that you grew up in, and you used that wound to turn it into a scar that reflected God\u2019s love for you.\u201d You wanted to have a better family, a better marriage. You wanted to have something that was alive, not the kind of evil you had seen displayed in the home you grew up in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> You know, this is a conflict now. Remember, when I said that liberating time in my life\u2014when I got down on my knees in that hotel room and I thanked God for my parents\u2014for an alcoholic father, for being sexually abused, and they didn\u2019t do anything about it\u2014but I walked away saying, \u201cBut that\u2019s not the kind of family I want.\u201d I was thankful for the family I had\u2014my mother and dad\u2014but I didn\u2019t want to be that kind of parent. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I believe one of the most powerful witnesses of a church needs to start with the pastor in the pulpit. Every church needs a pastor who has a loving, close, intimate relationship with his wife and spends time with his children to give hope to those single moms out there\u2014single dads\u2014to give hope to kids, like me\u2014kids that are coming from broken homes that, \u201cLook, it is possible!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is why, everywhere I go, I talk about Dottie. I can\u2019t help it, but I also do it with a purpose. I want every kid that ever hears me speak that a happy, joyful marriage is possible through Christ, regardless of what your past is. I\u2019ll stand, nose to nose, with <em>anyone<\/em> on that! So, I talk about my wife <em>all the time<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Early in your Christian life, you had a chance to meet and to hear from the founder and president of Campus Crusade for Christ<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dr. Bill Bright. Some of what he shared with you, as a new Christian, was transformative; wasn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, yes. He came to Wheaton College\u2014I\u2019ll tell you, I was a fairly-new Christian. He said, \u201cIf any of you want to know how to really know God in an intimate way and walk every day in victory,\u201d\u2014something like that\u2014he said, \u201cwhy don\u2019t you meet with me?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, Frank Kypher, Jim Green, Dick Purnell, and I met with him in the student union\u2014in the cafeteria or the little coffee place at Wheaton College. He took a sheet of paper\u2014hat I remember I took it. I didn\u2019t let the other guys get it. I pulled it off the table and took it with me. He drew out about how to be filled with the Holy Spirit by faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember I walked out of there\u2014I remember what he said was: \u201cYou need to, one\u2014Desire it. Seek righteousness. Second\u2014No unconfessed sin your life. Third\u2014Every area that you\u2019re aware of in your life\u2014that it is yielded to Christ. Then, fourth\u2014Ask the Holy Spirit to fill you.\u201d I walked out of that time knowing I would never again, in my life, have the excuse to not know how to walk\u2014filled with the Holy Spirit, by faith. To this day\u2014of something directly from the Scriptures \/ outside the Scriptures\u2014that directed my life\u2014it\u2019s been those four steps. I owe that to Bill Bright. The thing is he <em>lived<\/em> that before me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is one other thing that I want you to just comment on briefly because I know this marks your life, as well, and had to have been used by God in your life to bring healing. You are a man on a mission. You\u2019re not a victim, wallowing in self-pity. You get up every day on a mission to be a part of the Great Commission, making disciples of all nations. Comment on that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I don\u2019t get up every day. I get up <em>early<\/em> every morning. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I stand corrected! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Well, when I came to Christ, I probably had an understanding of it far greater than I should have. I think the Lord just used the Scriptures that I\u2019d studied before being a Christian and all and the right people in my life\u2014I had this burning desire to tell the world, especially young people. I was all set for law school\u2014full scholarship\u2014everything. It was my life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I left to go to UCLA law school. I\u2019d made a lot of money. I started Superior Painting Company\u2014sold it when I was a kid and made <em>a lot<\/em> of money. I had a brand-new MG sports car, and I took off for California. I got to Grand Canyon. There were kids there, from about 15 countries, going down to the bottom. I walked down with them and back. Dennis, that\u2019s when I realized what I had; and they didn\u2019t. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I saw these young people, from all over the world, I realized what Jesus had done in my life, and the joy, and the peace, and all\u2014that I came out of there\u2014I got to California\u2014and in the bathroom, I picked up this magazine. There was a little verse in there for Talbot Theological Seminary. I\u2019d never heard of it. I had never even thought of seminary, but something just happened: \u201cGo there!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, the next morning\u2014it was Friday morning. I got up because law school didn\u2019t start until Monday. I got up, drove over to Talbot Seminary, and went in. I said, \u201cI\u2019d like to go to seminary here.\u201d The lady looked around; and she said, \u201cWell, we don\u2019t have an application.\u201d I said: \u201cI know. I never heard of you until last night.\u201d She said, \u201cWell, it\u2019ll take two or three months to matriculate you, and get it through, and everything.\u201d I was kind of relieved.\u00a0 <br><br>So, I walked out. I knew I was going to follow God if He wanted me to in that. As I got to the door, I said, \u201cWell, who is the last person that I could talk to?\u201d She said, \u201cWell, Dr. Charles Feinberg\u201d\u2014very dedicated, Jewish, Hebrew scholar, who was a dean in seminary. I said, \u201cIs he here?\u201d \u201cYes, he\u2019s in his office.\u201d So, I walked right on. She said, \u201cWell, you can\u2019t\u2026\u201d\u2014I opened the door. I walked in\u2014walked up to his desk. I think I was really arrogant\u2014I really do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked up. I told him my story about how I went and read this\u2014and I said, \u201cI really don\u2019t want to go to seminary, but God seems to\u201d\u2014and I said, \u201cCan I go to seminary?\u201d He looked at me. His eyes were big, and he looked out, at my car. He said, \u201cIs that your car?\u201d And the dumbest thing I said to Dr. Charles Feinberg\u2014I said, \u201cOh, yes, man, you love and shove it. Shove it to the floor, and it loves to go.\u201d [Laughter] I said that to Dr. Charles Feinberg. He looked at me and he said, \u201cYoung man, call Wheaton College. Have them airmail out your transcripts. You can start classes Monday.\u201d I was crushed! I thought, \u201cDid I just throw my whole life away?\u201d I started classes. I was miserable. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut during that first two \/ three weeks, I dated a number of young ladies and everything. I was in Dr. James Christian\u2019s Church History class. He made some statement, in the class, about me\u2014about girls I\u2019d been dating; and it was totally appropriate. Well, oh, it ticked me off! I get up\u2014went up front to Dr. James Christian. I threw my books on his desk and said, \u201cI\u2019ve had it!\u201d and I walked out to go to law school. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI walked out. Just as you come out of Biola and go to the left\u2014now, they own it; but at that time, it was a junior high school. It was about five minutes to twelve. A bell rang, and kids were coming out all over the place. I\u2019ve never shared this publicly. It was like I was frozen in time. I don\u2019t know what happened; but in my recall\u2014I couldn\u2019t move. Kids were going out, all around me. <br><br>If ever I heard a voice from God, it was then. He said: \u201cJosh, I\u2019ve called you to reach young people. Don\u2019t ever turn back.\u201d I don\u2019t know what happened there, but all I know is something happened. I turned around, went back into that class\u2014because it ended at 12:30. In front of the entire class, I apologized to Dr. Christian for what I had done\u2014what I had said. I\u2019ve got to tell you. Every day of seminary, after that, became exciting. It went from a cemetery to a seminary. From that day on, I have never looked back. It just always rings: \u201cI have called you to reach young people. Don\u2019t turn back.\u201d It doesn\u2019t mean, \u201c\u2026until it gets rough,\u201d no! \u201cDon\u2019t turn back.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and the point about being on mission\u2014because the Apostle Paul said, \u201cForgetting what lies behind, I press on.\u201d And it\u2019s that focus on mission that is a part of what God uses to help make sense of our past. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and Paul goes on to say\u2014he says, \u201cI press on to the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.\u201d And he says, \u201cLet those of us who are mature think this way and if in anything, He\u2019ll reveal it to you.\u201d The idea was, \u201cIf you make a stupid choice\u201d\u2014like Josh nearly made at that seminary class that day\u2014\u201cGod is plenty big enough to correct the errors and to get us going in the right direction.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJosh, I\u2019m glad that you went back into that class because you had a great impact on my life, as a college junior, who was dealing with issues of faith, and doubt, and struggling in my own faith. I wanted to follow Christ, but I just had a number of questions. You helped me answer those questions. You\u2019ve been a great friend over the years. I appreciate you. And\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> And now, you and Bob are answering questions of so many more. But just think\u2014if I hadn\u2019t gone back in, I could have been handling all your legal cases\u2014all your lawsuits. [Laughter] I could have handled them for you, Dennis. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s frightening, frankly. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, I think all of us are glad that you\u2019ve spoken, and written books, and now, are sharing your story of your life in you book, <em>Undaunted<\/em>, and in the DVD. I think that\u2019s better than lawyering could have ever been. We have Josh\u2019s book, <em>Undaunted<\/em>, in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center, along with the DVD\u2014that is the movie of his young life. Both are available. If you\u2019d like to order, go to FamilyLifeToday.com. That\u2019s FamilyLifeToday.com. Josh\u2019s story, as you\u2019ve heard this week, is a compelling story\u2014one you may want to share with friends who have come from a hard place in their own lives. The DVD is the story in movie form. It\u2019s powerful, as well. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order these resources; or call, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY, 1-800-358-6329. Call us to order at 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t know if you realize it. You hear us talk, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, about our broadcast production team and all of the folks, here at FamilyLife, who rally to make this program possible; but did you realize there are a lot people who we\u2019ve never met who also make this program possible? And that\u2019s some of you. We have Legacy Partners. We have folks who, from time to time, will make a contribution to support this ministry\u2014all of you folks, who do that\u2014you make <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible. You are part of this ministry with us; and we just want to say, \u201cThank you for the part you play.\u201d <br><br>This week, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d in a tangible way by sending you a copy of a conversation we had, not long ago, with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Their marriage story got made into a national movie about a year ago. Honestly, the story they tell is more compelling than the one Hollywood told. So, this week, if you are able to help support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation of any amount, we\u2019d love to send you our CD of our interview with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com. Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. Make an online donation, and we\u2019ll send the CD to you. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone, and just ask for the CD with the Carpenters when you call. We\u2019re happy to get that out to you. Again, we just want you to know how grateful we are to have you as part of the team, here at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. <br><br>And we hope you can join us back again tomorrow. We are not inviting Josh McDowell back. We\u2019ve had enough of him this week; but his wife, Dottie, is welcome tomorrow. And without Josh interfering, we\u2019re going to hear from her what it was like to meet, and marry, and be involved in decades of ministry, side by side, with her husband. So, you\u2019ll meet Dottie tomorrow. 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