{"id":302773,"date":"2013-07-09T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-07-09T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/stepping-into-the-light\/"},"modified":"2013-07-09T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-07-09T15:00:00","slug":"stepping-into-the-light","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/stepping-into-the-light\/","title":{"rendered":"Stepping Into the Light"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>McDowell tells how he set out to prove that Christianity was a hoax, and instead came into a relationship with the living God.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-07-09.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.75M","filesize_raw":"23858563","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2873],"tags":[2949,4896,5027,5293,4134,5018,4679,5294],"podcast_series":[7958],"cwp_profile":[8945],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302773","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-mental-and-emotional-issues","tag-abuse","tag-alcoholic","tag-conversion","tag-difficulties","tag-life-change","tag-redemption","tag-salvation","tag-testimony","podcast_series-undaunted","cwp_profile-josh-mcdowell","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302773\/stepping-into-the-light","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302773\/stepping-into-the-light","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"RfM3Ajy64a\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/stepping-into-the-light\/\">Stepping Into the Light<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/stepping-into-the-light\/embed\/#?secret=RfM3Ajy64a\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Stepping Into the Light&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"RfM3Ajy64a\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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I went there to tell my dad how much I hated him\u2014as a new Christian, even\u2014how I never wanted to see him again. We sat there. He was with his girlfriend because my mother had died. I just started to tell him\u2014and out of mouth came\u2014it\u2019s like it just happened today\u2014out of my mouth came, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d Oh, my gosh! I really don\u2019t know who was most surprised\u2014him hearing it or me saying it\u2014but it changed me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, July 9<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Josh McDowell joins us today to tell us how God led him on the path of transformation\u2014the path that took him to Jesus. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. If I came to you and said: \u201cI know a young man\u201415 years old, grew up in a family where Dad was an alcoholic\u2014was physically abusive to his mom\u2014Mom was overweight. This young man was preyed upon by a family friend who regularly abused him, sexually; and that\u2019s been his life, up until this point.\u201d If I told you that\u2019s what had been his background, what would you think is ahead for that young man?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I think he\u2019s going to come to a true crossroads of dealing with the person of Jesus Christ in his life. He\u2019s going to have to decide, \u201cAm I going to believe that Jesus is who He claimed to be?\u201d and that the Heavenly Father loved that young man enough to send His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on a cross on his behalf. Then, at that point, if he meets Christ, I think he\u2019s got hope for dealing with the heart issues that accompany with all that you described. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not like he meets Christ, and all of those issues vanish, and everything is now fine; but now, you have a resource for being able to heal and to deal with your past history; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly. We have a friend with us, in the studio. He\u2019s been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on numerous occasions. He\u2019s a good friend. We sat in on some meetings together at Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> down in Orlando\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Some? A whole lot! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you write notes back and forth to each other? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We email each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In the middle of the meetings? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nobody knows; but we\u2019re emailing each other, slipping little notes. I\u2019m a big fan of Josh McDowell. Josh, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s so good to be back. And you\u2019ve got to understand, I\u2019m one of the biggest fans of Dennis Rainey\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014too. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> We could always tell how boring the meetings were by how many emails and notes we were sending each other. [Laughter] And I\u2019ve got a stack of them! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, the life that Bob just described\u2014Josh, was your life. And yet, as a college freshman, you were kind of known as a skeptic\u2014a doubter about the Christian faith. Yet, God began to break through. Share with our listeners how, as a young man, you came to that fork in the road with the person of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> There were several events. I sat out to write my book, <em>Evidence That Demands a Verdict<\/em>, against Christianity. I was angry. I was bitter. I\u2019d carried a lot of it around in my life. When I was 11 years old, my oldest brother, Wilmot\u2014I was the baby; he was the oldest\u2014worked on the farm. He took my parents to a court of law and sued them for everything they had. Can you imagine a son doing this to his parents? Now, I was 11 years old. I didn\u2019t know what was going on, but I knew there were problems. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found out, later, in the settlement of the lawsuit\u2014one thing my brother got, among many things\u2014was a new home my folks had built on the farm for workers. He announced to my parents he was going to move it. My parents went to him and said: \u201cDon\u2019t. We need it. We\u2019ll buy the land. We\u2019ll buy the house. We\u2019ll give you the money;\u201d but my father had so wounded and hurt my brother that my brother said, \u201cNo, we\u2019re going to move it.\u201d <br><br>Well, when they announced that, in two weeks from that Saturday, they were going to move it, I couldn\u2019t sleep for two weeks. Come on! How do you pick up a big house and move it? And they were going to move it about a half mile down into Union City, Michigan, where it is now. So, for two weeks, I couldn\u2019t sleep. That Saturday, I got up extra early, and got my chores done, and took a good shower, put on my best work clothes. And at 11 years old, I ran out of the back of the house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo the left of the house, you could look up this knoll\u2014probably about half of a football field\u2014and there was the house. I looked up there, and there was a small group of people around there\u2014about 30, 40 people. They were farmers and merchants from around Union City, Michigan. This was key, now\u2014many of them were parents of my friends\u2014that I went to their homes, played, everything. I thought: \u201cWow! This is going to be quite a party.\u201d I figured they couldn\u2019t believe you could move a house like this and came out to see it. It didn\u2019t take me long to realize that\u2019s not why they were there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy brother, who was very popular\u2014involved in agricultural stuff, 4-H, everything like that. So, he went around and got these farmers and merchants\u2014parents of my friends\u2014to come out that Saturday to stand in opposition to my parents. I didn\u2019t know that. So, here I am\u2014I\u2019m 11 years old; and my heart is pumping. My adrenaline is flowing. I\u2019m running up this hill. I think sometimes my feet didn\u2019t even hit the ground I was so excited. I got to the top of the hill, and my <em>world<\/em> came crashing down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI heard these farmers, these merchants, calling my parents the dirtiest, filthiest names\u2014throwing my dad, pushing him onto the ground because he\u2019d been drinking and pretty well drunk\u2014and heard my brother say some of the nastiest things in front of all\u2014everybody was laughing. I cracked. I ran down the other side of the hill, went into the barn, where there was a room\u2014it was a small room\u2014but there were three bins in there for wheat, oats, and shelled corn to grind up for cattle feed. I closed the big door, put the iron latch down, locked it, and took the two blinders out of the windows\u2014boards holding it up\u2014until it was pitch black. Eleven years old\u2014I climbed up into that shelled corn bin, and I buried myself into that corn up to my neck. That\u2019s when I prayed to die. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI literally felt\u2014it wouldn\u2019t matter to anyone if I lived or died because I was there for three hours. My parents never came looking for me. I mean, I can\u2019t imagine\u2014here, in front of everyone\u2014I break down crying, screaming, ran down in front of 30, 40 people\u2014my own parents\u2014and nobody came looking for me. About one o\u2019clock that afternoon, I was so hungry and thirsty. I dug myself out of the corn. I jumped out of the bin. When I opened that door and the sunlight hit me in the face, it shocked me into reality. That\u2019s when I damned my dad\u2014I cursed him. And I damned God and cursed Him for abandoning me in the corn bin. From that day on, I cursed God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, if anyone said they were a Christian, they didn\u2019t want to say it around me because I became very cynical\u2014I became very\u2014because I was hurt, and I\u2014and what happened was I stuffed a lot of that bitterness\u2014anger\u2014down into my life. <br><br>Well, at the university, I saw a small group of people; and their lives were different. They really were. The biggest thing I noticed was they seemed to not only love and care for each other, but they loved and cared for people outside their group. Well, I thought that was weird; but I wanted it. So, I made friends with them. I asked them, \u201cWhat changed your life?\u201d This young lady looked at me with a little smile and just said, \u201cJesus Christ.\u201d Well, that was it. That triggered. It was like a volcano went off. I think all that anger just came out. I mean, I lashed them with my tongue. Well, right there, they stood up to me. There were two professors, six\/seven students; and they challenged me to intellectually examine it, which I thought was a joke. But what they were doing was totally appropriate. I was the problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I accepted their challenge to refute them\u2014to make a joke of them. I left the school\u2014travelled throughout the United States, England, Germany, France, and Switzerland\u2014gathering evidence to write <em>Evidence That Demands a Verdict<\/em> against Christianity. I had returned to London, England. It was a Friday night about 6\/6:30. I was in a small museum library, looking at some manuscripts\u2014now, I couldn\u2019t read Greek or Hebrew. So, I always got experts there to explain what they are and everything and the significance of them. I sat down in the library, leaned back in my chair, and right out loud, in front of everyone\u2014which was probably three people\u2014I said: \u201cIt\u2019s true! It\u2019s true! It\u2019s true!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI returned to the university. I couldn\u2019t sleep. On December 19<sup>th<\/sup>, at 9:30 at night\u20148:30 at night\u2014I put to the test\u2014I just said, \u201cGod, if You\u2019re God and if Christ is Your Son\u2014if You can do in my life what You promised You could do in the Scriptures, then, I want to accept You as my Savior and Lord if You can forgive me.\u201d Nothing happened. I didn\u2019t sprout wings. Nothing emotional or anything; but in about six months, my entire life was changed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the biggest was towards my father. I drove to Battle Creek, Michigan, to a diner. I went there to tell my dad how much I hated him\u2014as a new Christian, even\u2014how I never wanted to see him again. We sat there. He was with his girlfriend because my mother had died. I just started to tell him\u2014and out of my mouth came\u2014it\u2019s like it just happened today\u2014out of my mouth came, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d Oh, my gosh! I really don\u2019t know who was most surprised\u2014him hearing it or me saying it\u2014but it changed me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of a sudden\u2014I can\u2019t\u2014I wasn\u2019t used to that. I was used to hating those I wanted to hate and loving those I wanted to love. I never had the compassion to love those I chose to hate\u2014and without any willing towards it. That\u2019s when I knew it was true. I knew <em>something<\/em> had happened in my life. I ended up bringing my dad to Christ. He died because three-fourths of his stomach had to be removed. He\u2019s entire liver was destroyed\u2014everything through 30 years of drinking\u2014but in that 30-month period, scores of people put their faith in Christ because of the changed life of the town drunk. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I want to make a statement here that could be misunderstood. So, if it is misunderstood, ask me the right questions. I needed more than Jesus. Now, most people think that\u2019s heresy. I think it\u2019s totally biblical. I needed the body of Christ. Much of Christ\u2019s healing in my life came through others ministering to me. Now, when it comes to my salvation\u2014whole basis\u2014all I need is Jesus\u2014but from there, everything after that, I need the body of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You call it the body of Christ. It\u2019s Jesus working through\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s Christ working through others. Almost all the changes that I came to know about\u2014Jesus in my life, everything\u2014came through others ministering to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where would you be at\u201470 years old, today\u2014if there had been no encounter with Jesus\u2014do you think? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I would have probably been in politics\u2014and, I think, maybe fairly successful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think you\u2019d have been married to one woman for\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, no; absolutely no. I\u2019ll tell you this. Boy, you talk about needing the body of Christ. Dottie\u2014we\u2019re 42 years married. I never knew, Bob, a woman could love a man as much as Dottie loves me. I\u2019ve never seen any Hollywood movie or anything\u2014I tell people, \u201cDottie has changed my life more than Jesus.\u201d Now, I know it was Jesus through Dottie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> But if you just looked at it, I am so <em>humbled<\/em> to be married to her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> She came from an excellent family, and she loved me. She was patient with me\u2014accepting of me. She ministered truth to me. She\u2019d lived the truth out in our marriage, our love\u2014everything. And then, with Paul and Leslie Lewis, Jim and Vivian Simpson, and Leslie\u2019s parents, Dick and Charlotte Day\u2014whom you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014and the man who led me to Christ\u2014without them, I wouldn\u2019t be here! They loved me. I learned\u2014I saw what a marriage could be like. I saw what a healthy man could be like. I saw what it meant to be a father\u2014to relate to your children. I could have read all that; but if I hadn\u2019t <em>seen<\/em> it, it wouldn\u2019t have caught. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve ministered to a lot of young men who have gotten engaged in the homosexual lifestyle. You\u2019ve heard them tell about stories, in their childhood, that sound like stories in your childhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, many. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think that could have been the trajectory your life would have taken? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, it could have because so many that have come to me who have\u2014especially, seen the movie and all\u2014have said, \u201cSomething similar like that happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. Josh, I want to go back to your comment about needing someone more than Jesus Christ. You know, the Bible begins with a story of God, Himself, declaring to Adam, \u201cIt\u2019s not good that you be alone.\u201d So, you\u2019re in good company in agreeing that, as human beings, we need more than just a relationship with God in person. He made a helpmate\u2014in your case, Dottie\u2014to come alongside you and be the arms of Christ\u2014at points\u2014physically, to you and, emotionally, to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to go back to the time when you had the car wreck, though. You were taken home in an ambulance, more than 120 miles, back to your house. You had an encounter with your father, where he ultimately trusted Christ. Share that story because, to me, that just brings us full circle around this whole family story of yours and what Christ did in your life\u2014Who ultimately touched your dad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> When I was a senior at Wheaton College, I\u2019d only been there a year-and-a-half because my first two years they wouldn\u2019t have accepted me. I was in a very serious car accident, where a man\u2014drunk, doing about 50 miles an hour\u2014hit me, where I was stopped at a train\u2014came within 12 inches of hitting the train, myself\u2014it was moving. They took me home in an ambulance after I was in the emergency section of the hospital for maybe six\/seven days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey called my dad. He had been drinking. So, he thought I was dying. I wasn\u2019t. I was just hurting a lot. They strapped me in the bed with a board, where I couldn\u2019t move. So, I\u2019m strapped in bed. All I can do is look up. They had several nurses that were going to take turns for about a week to two weeks to take care of me because I couldn\u2019t even wipe my own eyes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019m in bed, and my father came into the room. He first stood in the doorway, leaned against the door. I\u2019ll never forget what he said, \u201cSon, how can you love a father like me?\u201d I said: \u201cDad, six months ago, I hated you. I despised you. I hated everything that you stood for;\u201d but I said, \u201cDad, I\u2019ve come to know one thing\u2014that God became man. His name is Jesus, and He\u2019s passionate about a relationship with you.\u201d My father turned around and walked out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought: \u201cShwew! I guess I blew that one.\u201d About 45 minutes later, he came back in\u2014maybe 45, I don\u2019t know. It was just a long time. He came back in. He paced back and forth for a little bit. Then, he sat down on the bed. He said, \u201cSon, if God can do in my life what I\u2019ve seen Him do in yours, I\u2019m going to give Him the opportunity.\u201d Oh, my gosh! Guys, you talk about joy! Most people don\u2019t have that much joy in a lifetime than I had in one moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget the prayer that he prayed. At best, I can recall is he said: \u201cGod, if You\u2019re God and Jesus is Your Son and if He died on the cross for me and can forgive me\u201d\u2014now, this is interesting\u2014what he asked forgiveness for\u2014\u201cif He can forgive me for what I\u2019ve done to my family and if You can do in my life what I\u2019ve seen You do in the life of my son, then, I want to accept You into my life as Savior and Lord.\u201d Whew! In about six months to a year\/a year-and-a-half, the entire life of my dad was changed. It was incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So much so many people in the community came to faith because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I would say\u2014in the community and going out about 100 miles\u2014upwards of possibly a hundred people came to Christ because of the town drunk. It all started in that diner when I went to tell him I hated him; and I said, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d I just thank God now! I mean, how He can change our words, and change our heart and all. That\u2019s how my dad ended up coming to Christ. <br><br>We really became close for a while, but he died like 14 months later. That ticked me off because it was like being rejected again. See, I thought he drank because I wasn\u2019t a son worth having a relationship with. Then, I thought he died because I wasn\u2019t worth living for. And nah\u2014I had nothing to do with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> And now, I understand that; but at the time, emotionally, I was hurt that he didn\u2019t stay alive because I just started to have a dad. I tell my kids, \u201cKids, the kind of father you\u2019ve had and the marvelous family that we have\u2014a lot of that came out of about 14 months of knowing what it meant to have a daddy.\u201d I keep thinking, \u201cWhat if I\u2019d known him like that my whole life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh, I\u2019m listening to your story\u2014and I\u2019m thinking there has to be a listener who may be a skeptic\u2014who, perhaps, they\u2019re angry with God like you were\u2014and they are in need forgiveness. They know what they\u2019ve done. They don\u2019t think God can forgive them. They don\u2019t have a relationship with Jesus Christ and are not really committed to following Him. Take their hand in yours, and introduce them, and put that hand in the hand of their Heavenly Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> What I would say is I can truly identify with what you are going through.\u00a0 I know one thing: God became man. His name is Jesus, and He is passionate about a relationship with you. And I would say, \u201cDo you realize that God loves <em>you so much<\/em> that if you were the only person alive, Jesus still would die for you?\u201d It\u2019s not a religion\u2014it\u2019s a relationship. I would share what I prayed to know Christ\u2014when finally\u2014intellectually, I became convinced it is true and how, emotionally, I came to know that a Heavenly Father is different than an earthly father. I said the biggest step is your decision. You have to make it. If God can\u2019t forgive you, He can\u2019t forgive anyone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt says, \u201cChrist died for <em>all<\/em> of our sins,\u201d and He says, \u201cI\u2019ll put them far away\u2014as the east is from the west.\u201d Thank God, He didn\u2019t say, \u201cNorth and south,\u201d because you can measure north to south\u2014North Pole\/South Pole. You only go north so long; then, you\u2019re going south. There\u2019s no East and West Poles. You can\u2019t measure east to west. He says, \u201cI\u2019ll put your sins as far away as the east is from the west.\u201d God has promised to forgive you. <br><br>And right now, I just say to you: \u201cCommit your will to Christ. Ask Him to forgive you, by faith\u2014even though you don\u2019t feel it\u2014He has promised it.\u201d Challenge Him at His promise: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod, I need You. God, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and that You love me. Right now, I ask You to forgive me. You\u2019ve promised that if I confess my sins that You will cleanse me from all unrighteousness. So, I confess my sins to You\u2014not because of anything that I have done\u2014but because of what Jesus did on the cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd right now, I obey the Scriptures where it says, \u201cBut to as many as received Him, to them give You the right to become a child of God,\u201d I receive You into my life as Savior and Lord. Take over the throne of my life. Change me from the inside out. Thank You that I can trust You. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you just prayed that prayer, find a believer\u2014somebody who is a follower of Jesus\u2014and share it with them. What I would suggest\u2014you ask them how they came to know Christ. That will begin a relationship that can heal you and see you grow in this newly-found relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And where Christ goes\u2014and shows up in a person\u2019s life\u2014He changes things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have just begun a transformational journey that will last a lifetime. There will be plenty of work for Him to do in your life and on your life; but it is the journey of a lifetime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, you\u2019ll see a link there\u2014in the center of the page\u2014that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live\u201d. If you click on that link, it will take you to a place on the web where you can find out more about what it means to follow Jesus\u2014to make that the way you\u2019re going to live rather than to live for yourself. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live\u201d, to find out more about what it means to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd while you are on our website, at FamilyLifeToday.com, look for information about the book and the DVD that tells Josh McDowell\u2019s story. The book is called <em>Undaunted<\/em>. That\u2019s also the name of the movie that has been made of Josh\u2019s life\u2014that is now available on DVD. This may be something you\u2019d like to share with the youth group at church or something your family would want to view together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the book and DVD\u2014<em>Undaunted<\/em>\u2014that tell the story of the life of Josh McDowell\u2014that we\u2019ve been hearing this week. You can also call us if you need more information or if you\u2019d like to have these resources sent to you. Our toll-free number is 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d\u20141-800-FL-TODAY. Give us a call, and we\u2019ll get what you need sent out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we want to say a quick word of thanks today to those of you who make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible\u2014those of you who support this ministry with financial contributions that cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program. And just as we have heard Josh share a compelling story about how God showed up in his life, we have available, this week, a CD that we\u2019d like to send to those of you who can help support this ministry. It\u2019s another compelling story of God showing up. It\u2019s the story of Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Their real life story was made into a Hollywood movie called <em>The Vow<\/em>; but I have to tell you their story is a better story than the one Hollywood turned out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, this week, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, when you go to our website. Make an online donation\u2014we\u2019ll send you the audio CD of our conversation with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make a donation over the phone, and just ask for the CD with the Carpenters. We\u2019re happy to send that to you. Once again, thank you so much for your partnership with us, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can be back with us tomorrow when Josh is going to share the concluding chapter in the story he\u2019s been sharing this week. I say that\u2014but, actually, later this week, we\u2019re going to turn the tables and get Josh\u2019s wife, Dottie, in here and have her tell a little bit about what it was like to meet and fall in love with and marry Josh McDowell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this is kind of all Josh\u2014all the time, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this week. But be sure to be back with us tomorrow as we hear Part Three of Josh McDowell\u2019s story of growing up and coming to faith. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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I went there to tell my dad how much I hated him\u2014as a new Christian, even\u2014how I never wanted to see him again. We sat there. He was with his girlfriend because my mother had died. I just started to tell him\u2014and out of mouth came\u2014it\u2019s like it just happened today\u2014out of my mouth came, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d Oh, my gosh! I really don\u2019t know who was most surprised\u2014him hearing it or me saying it\u2014but it changed me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, July 9<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Josh McDowell joins us today to tell us how God led him on the path of transformation\u2014the path that took him to Jesus. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. If I came to you and said: \u201cI know a young man\u201415 years old, grew up in a family where Dad was an alcoholic\u2014was physically abusive to his mom\u2014Mom was overweight. This young man was preyed upon by a family friend who regularly abused him, sexually; and that\u2019s been his life, up until this point.\u201d If I told you that\u2019s what had been his background, what would you think is ahead for that young man?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I think he\u2019s going to come to a true crossroads of dealing with the person of Jesus Christ in his life. He\u2019s going to have to decide, \u201cAm I going to believe that Jesus is who He claimed to be?\u201d and that the Heavenly Father loved that young man enough to send His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on a cross on his behalf. Then, at that point, if he meets Christ, I think he\u2019s got hope for dealing with the heart issues that accompany with all that you described. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s not like he meets Christ, and all of those issues vanish, and everything is now fine; but now, you have a resource for being able to heal and to deal with your past history; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly. We have a friend with us, in the studio. He\u2019s been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> on numerous occasions. He\u2019s a good friend. We sat in on some meetings together at Cru<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> down in Orlando\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Some? A whole lot! [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you write notes back and forth to each other? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We email each other. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In the middle of the meetings? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nobody knows; but we\u2019re emailing each other, slipping little notes. I\u2019m a big fan of Josh McDowell. Josh, welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, it\u2019s so good to be back. And you\u2019ve got to understand, I\u2019m one of the biggest fans of Dennis Rainey\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014too. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> We could always tell how boring the meetings were by how many emails and notes we were sending each other. [Laughter] And I\u2019ve got a stack of them! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, the life that Bob just described\u2014Josh, was your life. And yet, as a college freshman, you were kind of known as a skeptic\u2014a doubter about the Christian faith. Yet, God began to break through. Share with our listeners how, as a young man, you came to that fork in the road with the person of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> There were several events. I sat out to write my book, <em>Evidence That Demands a Verdict<\/em>, against Christianity. I was angry. I was bitter. I\u2019d carried a lot of it around in my life. When I was 11 years old, my oldest brother, Wilmot\u2014I was the baby; he was the oldest\u2014worked on the farm. He took my parents to a court of law and sued them for everything they had. Can you imagine a son doing this to his parents? Now, I was 11 years old. I didn\u2019t know what was going on, but I knew there were problems. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI found out, later, in the settlement of the lawsuit\u2014one thing my brother got, among many things\u2014was a new home my folks had built on the farm for workers. He announced to my parents he was going to move it. My parents went to him and said: \u201cDon\u2019t. We need it. We\u2019ll buy the land. We\u2019ll buy the house. We\u2019ll give you the money;\u201d but my father had so wounded and hurt my brother that my brother said, \u201cNo, we\u2019re going to move it.\u201d <br><br>Well, when they announced that, in two weeks from that Saturday, they were going to move it, I couldn\u2019t sleep for two weeks. Come on! How do you pick up a big house and move it? And they were going to move it about a half mile down into Union City, Michigan, where it is now. So, for two weeks, I couldn\u2019t sleep. That Saturday, I got up extra early, and got my chores done, and took a good shower, put on my best work clothes. And at 11 years old, I ran out of the back of the house. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTo the left of the house, you could look up this knoll\u2014probably about half of a football field\u2014and there was the house. I looked up there, and there was a small group of people around there\u2014about 30, 40 people. They were farmers and merchants from around Union City, Michigan. This was key, now\u2014many of them were parents of my friends\u2014that I went to their homes, played, everything. I thought: \u201cWow! This is going to be quite a party.\u201d I figured they couldn\u2019t believe you could move a house like this and came out to see it. It didn\u2019t take me long to realize that\u2019s not why they were there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy brother, who was very popular\u2014involved in agricultural stuff, 4-H, everything like that. So, he went around and got these farmers and merchants\u2014parents of my friends\u2014to come out that Saturday to stand in opposition to my parents. I didn\u2019t know that. So, here I am\u2014I\u2019m 11 years old; and my heart is pumping. My adrenaline is flowing. I\u2019m running up this hill. I think sometimes my feet didn\u2019t even hit the ground I was so excited. I got to the top of the hill, and my <em>world<\/em> came crashing down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI heard these farmers, these merchants, calling my parents the dirtiest, filthiest names\u2014throwing my dad, pushing him onto the ground because he\u2019d been drinking and pretty well drunk\u2014and heard my brother say some of the nastiest things in front of all\u2014everybody was laughing. I cracked. I ran down the other side of the hill, went into the barn, where there was a room\u2014it was a small room\u2014but there were three bins in there for wheat, oats, and shelled corn to grind up for cattle feed. I closed the big door, put the iron latch down, locked it, and took the two blinders out of the windows\u2014boards holding it up\u2014until it was pitch black. Eleven years old\u2014I climbed up into that shelled corn bin, and I buried myself into that corn up to my neck. That\u2019s when I prayed to die. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI literally felt\u2014it wouldn\u2019t matter to anyone if I lived or died because I was there for three hours. My parents never came looking for me. I mean, I can\u2019t imagine\u2014here, in front of everyone\u2014I break down crying, screaming, ran down in front of 30, 40 people\u2014my own parents\u2014and nobody came looking for me. About one o\u2019clock that afternoon, I was so hungry and thirsty. I dug myself out of the corn. I jumped out of the bin. When I opened that door and the sunlight hit me in the face, it shocked me into reality. That\u2019s when I damned my dad\u2014I cursed him. And I damned God and cursed Him for abandoning me in the corn bin. From that day on, I cursed God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, if anyone said they were a Christian, they didn\u2019t want to say it around me because I became very cynical\u2014I became very\u2014because I was hurt, and I\u2014and what happened was I stuffed a lot of that bitterness\u2014anger\u2014down into my life. <br><br>Well, at the university, I saw a small group of people; and their lives were different. They really were. The biggest thing I noticed was they seemed to not only love and care for each other, but they loved and cared for people outside their group. Well, I thought that was weird; but I wanted it. So, I made friends with them. I asked them, \u201cWhat changed your life?\u201d This young lady looked at me with a little smile and just said, \u201cJesus Christ.\u201d Well, that was it. That triggered. It was like a volcano went off. I think all that anger just came out. I mean, I lashed them with my tongue. Well, right there, they stood up to me. There were two professors, six\/seven students; and they challenged me to intellectually examine it, which I thought was a joke. But what they were doing was totally appropriate. I was the problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I accepted their challenge to refute them\u2014to make a joke of them. I left the school\u2014travelled throughout the United States, England, Germany, France, and Switzerland\u2014gathering evidence to write <em>Evidence That Demands a Verdict<\/em> against Christianity. I had returned to London, England. It was a Friday night about 6\/6:30. I was in a small museum library, looking at some manuscripts\u2014now, I couldn\u2019t read Greek or Hebrew. So, I always got experts there to explain what they are and everything and the significance of them. I sat down in the library, leaned back in my chair, and right out loud, in front of everyone\u2014which was probably three people\u2014I said: \u201cIt\u2019s true! It\u2019s true! It\u2019s true!\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI returned to the university. I couldn\u2019t sleep. On December 19<sup>th<\/sup>, at 9:30 at night\u20148:30 at night\u2014I put to the test\u2014I just said, \u201cGod, if You\u2019re God and if Christ is Your Son\u2014if You can do in my life what You promised You could do in the Scriptures, then, I want to accept You as my Savior and Lord if You can forgive me.\u201d Nothing happened. I didn\u2019t sprout wings. Nothing emotional or anything; but in about six months, my entire life was changed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the biggest was towards my father. I drove to Battle Creek, Michigan, to a diner. I went there to tell my dad how much I hated him\u2014as a new Christian, even\u2014how I never wanted to see him again. We sat there. He was with his girlfriend because my mother had died. I just started to tell him\u2014and out of my mouth came\u2014it\u2019s like it just happened today\u2014out of my mouth came, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d Oh, my gosh! I really don\u2019t know who was most surprised\u2014him hearing it or me saying it\u2014but it changed me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of a sudden\u2014I can\u2019t\u2014I wasn\u2019t used to that. I was used to hating those I wanted to hate and loving those I wanted to love. I never had the compassion to love those I chose to hate\u2014and without any willing towards it. That\u2019s when I knew it was true. I knew <em>something<\/em> had happened in my life. I ended up bringing my dad to Christ. He died because three-fourths of his stomach had to be removed. He\u2019s entire liver was destroyed\u2014everything through 30 years of drinking\u2014but in that 30-month period, scores of people put their faith in Christ because of the changed life of the town drunk. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I want to make a statement here that could be misunderstood. So, if it is misunderstood, ask me the right questions. I needed more than Jesus. Now, most people think that\u2019s heresy. I think it\u2019s totally biblical. I needed the body of Christ. Much of Christ\u2019s healing in my life came through others ministering to me. Now, when it comes to my salvation\u2014whole basis\u2014all I need is Jesus\u2014but from there, everything after that, I need the body of Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You call it the body of Christ. It\u2019s Jesus working through\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> That\u2019s right! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> It\u2019s Christ working through others. Almost all the changes that I came to know about\u2014Jesus in my life, everything\u2014came through others ministering to me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Where would you be at\u201470 years old, today\u2014if there had been no encounter with Jesus\u2014do you think? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I would have probably been in politics\u2014and, I think, maybe fairly successful. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think you\u2019d have been married to one woman for\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, no; absolutely no. I\u2019ll tell you this. Boy, you talk about needing the body of Christ. Dottie\u2014we\u2019re 42 years married. I never knew, Bob, a woman could love a man as much as Dottie loves me. I\u2019ve never seen any Hollywood movie or anything\u2014I tell people, \u201cDottie has changed my life more than Jesus.\u201d Now, I know it was Jesus through Dottie. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> But if you just looked at it, I am so <em>humbled<\/em> to be married to her. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> She came from an excellent family, and she loved me. She was patient with me\u2014accepting of me. She ministered truth to me. She\u2019d lived the truth out in our marriage, our love\u2014everything. And then, with Paul and Leslie Lewis, Jim and Vivian Simpson, and Leslie\u2019s parents, Dick and Charlotte Day\u2014whom you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> \u2014and the man who led me to Christ\u2014without them, I wouldn\u2019t be here! They loved me. I learned\u2014I saw what a marriage could be like. I saw what a healthy man could be like. I saw what it meant to be a father\u2014to relate to your children. I could have read all that; but if I hadn\u2019t <em>seen<\/em> it, it wouldn\u2019t have caught. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve ministered to a lot of young men who have gotten engaged in the homosexual lifestyle. You\u2019ve heard them tell about stories, in their childhood, that sound like stories in your childhood. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Oh, many. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think that could have been the trajectory your life would have taken? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> Yes, it could have because so many that have come to me who have\u2014especially, seen the movie and all\u2014have said, \u201cSomething similar like that happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me,\u201d \u201c\u2026happened to me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. Josh, I want to go back to your comment about needing someone more than Jesus Christ. You know, the Bible begins with a story of God, Himself, declaring to Adam, \u201cIt\u2019s not good that you be alone.\u201d So, you\u2019re in good company in agreeing that, as human beings, we need more than just a relationship with God in person. He made a helpmate\u2014in your case, Dottie\u2014to come alongside you and be the arms of Christ\u2014at points\u2014physically, to you and, emotionally, to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to go back to the time when you had the car wreck, though. You were taken home in an ambulance, more than 120 miles, back to your house. You had an encounter with your father, where he ultimately trusted Christ. Share that story because, to me, that just brings us full circle around this whole family story of yours and what Christ did in your life\u2014Who ultimately touched your dad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> When I was a senior at Wheaton College, I\u2019d only been there a year-and-a-half because my first two years they wouldn\u2019t have accepted me. I was in a very serious car accident, where a man\u2014drunk, doing about 50 miles an hour\u2014hit me, where I was stopped at a train\u2014came within 12 inches of hitting the train, myself\u2014it was moving. They took me home in an ambulance after I was in the emergency section of the hospital for maybe six\/seven days. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey called my dad. He had been drinking. So, he thought I was dying. I wasn\u2019t. I was just hurting a lot. They strapped me in the bed with a board, where I couldn\u2019t move. So, I\u2019m strapped in bed. All I can do is look up. They had several nurses that were going to take turns for about a week to two weeks to take care of me because I couldn\u2019t even wipe my own eyes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019m in bed, and my father came into the room. He first stood in the doorway, leaned against the door. I\u2019ll never forget what he said, \u201cSon, how can you love a father like me?\u201d I said: \u201cDad, six months ago, I hated you. I despised you. I hated everything that you stood for;\u201d but I said, \u201cDad, I\u2019ve come to know one thing\u2014that God became man. His name is Jesus, and He\u2019s passionate about a relationship with you.\u201d My father turned around and walked out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought: \u201cShwew! I guess I blew that one.\u201d About 45 minutes later, he came back in\u2014maybe 45, I don\u2019t know. It was just a long time. He came back in. He paced back and forth for a little bit. Then, he sat down on the bed. He said, \u201cSon, if God can do in my life what I\u2019ve seen Him do in yours, I\u2019m going to give Him the opportunity.\u201d Oh, my gosh! Guys, you talk about joy! Most people don\u2019t have that much joy in a lifetime than I had in one moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget the prayer that he prayed. At best, I can recall is he said: \u201cGod, if You\u2019re God and Jesus is Your Son and if He died on the cross for me and can forgive me\u201d\u2014now, this is interesting\u2014what he asked forgiveness for\u2014\u201cif He can forgive me for what I\u2019ve done to my family and if You can do in my life what I\u2019ve seen You do in the life of my son, then, I want to accept You into my life as Savior and Lord.\u201d Whew! In about six months to a year\/a year-and-a-half, the entire life of my dad was changed. It was incredible. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So much so many people in the community came to faith because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> I would say\u2014in the community and going out about 100 miles\u2014upwards of possibly a hundred people came to Christ because of the town drunk. It all started in that diner when I went to tell him I hated him; and I said, \u201cDad, I love you.\u201d I just thank God now! I mean, how He can change our words, and change our heart and all. That\u2019s how my dad ended up coming to Christ. <br><br>We really became close for a while, but he died like 14 months later. That ticked me off because it was like being rejected again. See, I thought he drank because I wasn\u2019t a son worth having a relationship with. Then, I thought he died because I wasn\u2019t worth living for. And nah\u2014I had nothing to do with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> And now, I understand that; but at the time, emotionally, I was hurt that he didn\u2019t stay alive because I just started to have a dad. I tell my kids, \u201cKids, the kind of father you\u2019ve had and the marvelous family that we have\u2014a lot of that came out of about 14 months of knowing what it meant to have a daddy.\u201d I keep thinking, \u201cWhat if I\u2019d known him like that my whole life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Josh, I\u2019m listening to your story\u2014and I\u2019m thinking there has to be a listener who may be a skeptic\u2014who, perhaps, they\u2019re angry with God like you were\u2014and they are in need forgiveness. They know what they\u2019ve done. They don\u2019t think God can forgive them. They don\u2019t have a relationship with Jesus Christ and are not really committed to following Him. Take their hand in yours, and introduce them, and put that hand in the hand of their Heavenly Father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> What I would say is I can truly identify with what you are going through.\u00a0 I know one thing: God became man. His name is Jesus, and He is passionate about a relationship with you. And I would say, \u201cDo you realize that God loves <em>you so much<\/em> that if you were the only person alive, Jesus still would die for you?\u201d It\u2019s not a religion\u2014it\u2019s a relationship. I would share what I prayed to know Christ\u2014when finally\u2014intellectually, I became convinced it is true and how, emotionally, I came to know that a Heavenly Father is different than an earthly father. I said the biggest step is your decision. You have to make it. If God can\u2019t forgive you, He can\u2019t forgive anyone. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt says, \u201cChrist died for <em>all<\/em> of our sins,\u201d and He says, \u201cI\u2019ll put them far away\u2014as the east is from the west.\u201d Thank God, He didn\u2019t say, \u201cNorth and south,\u201d because you can measure north to south\u2014North Pole\/South Pole. You only go north so long; then, you\u2019re going south. There\u2019s no East and West Poles. You can\u2019t measure east to west. He says, \u201cI\u2019ll put your sins as far away as the east is from the west.\u201d God has promised to forgive you. <br><br>And right now, I just say to you: \u201cCommit your will to Christ. Ask Him to forgive you, by faith\u2014even though you don\u2019t feel it\u2014He has promised it.\u201d Challenge Him at His promise: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod, I need You. God, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for my sins, and that You love me. Right now, I ask You to forgive me. You\u2019ve promised that if I confess my sins that You will cleanse me from all unrighteousness. So, I confess my sins to You\u2014not because of anything that I have done\u2014but because of what Jesus did on the cross. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd right now, I obey the Scriptures where it says, \u201cBut to as many as received Him, to them give You the right to become a child of God,\u201d I receive You into my life as Savior and Lord. Take over the throne of my life. Change me from the inside out. Thank You that I can trust You. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you just prayed that prayer, find a believer\u2014somebody who is a follower of Jesus\u2014and share it with them. What I would suggest\u2014you ask them how they came to know Christ. That will begin a relationship that can heal you and see you grow in this newly-found relationship with God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And where Christ goes\u2014and shows up in a person\u2019s life\u2014He changes things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Josh:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You have just begun a transformational journey that will last a lifetime. There will be plenty of work for Him to do in your life and on your life; but it is the journey of a lifetime. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, you\u2019ll see a link there\u2014in the center of the page\u2014that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live\u201d. If you click on that link, it will take you to a place on the web where you can find out more about what it means to follow Jesus\u2014to make that the way you\u2019re going to live rather than to live for yourself. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the link that says, \u201cTwo Ways to Live\u201d, to find out more about what it means to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd while you are on our website, at FamilyLifeToday.com, look for information about the book and the DVD that tells Josh McDowell\u2019s story. The book is called <em>Undaunted<\/em>. That\u2019s also the name of the movie that has been made of Josh\u2019s life\u2014that is now available on DVD. This may be something you\u2019d like to share with the youth group at church or something your family would want to view together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the book and DVD\u2014<em>Undaunted<\/em>\u2014that tell the story of the life of Josh McDowell\u2014that we\u2019ve been hearing this week. You can also call us if you need more information or if you\u2019d like to have these resources sent to you. Our toll-free number is 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d\u20141-800-FL-TODAY. Give us a call, and we\u2019ll get what you need sent out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we want to say a quick word of thanks today to those of you who make the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> possible\u2014those of you who support this ministry with financial contributions that cover the costs of producing and syndicating this daily radio program. And just as we have heard Josh share a compelling story about how God showed up in his life, we have available, this week, a CD that we\u2019d like to send to those of you who can help support this ministry. It\u2019s another compelling story of God showing up. It\u2019s the story of Kim and Krickitt Carpenter. Their real life story was made into a Hollywood movie called <em>The Vow<\/em>; but I have to tell you their story is a better story than the one Hollywood turned out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, this week, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, when you go to our website. Make an online donation\u2014we\u2019ll send you the audio CD of our conversation with Kim and Krickitt Carpenter, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make a donation over the phone, and just ask for the CD with the Carpenters. We\u2019re happy to send that to you. Once again, thank you so much for your partnership with us, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you can be back with us tomorrow when Josh is going to share the concluding chapter in the story he\u2019s been sharing this week. I say that\u2014but, actually, later this week, we\u2019re going to turn the tables and get Josh\u2019s wife, Dottie, in here and have her tell a little bit about what it was like to meet and fall in love with and marry Josh McDowell. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, this is kind of all Josh\u2014all the time, here, on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this week. But be sure to be back with us tomorrow as we hear Part Three of Josh McDowell\u2019s story of growing up and coming to faith. I hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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