{"id":302771,"date":"2013-07-05T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-07-05T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-gift-of-presence\/"},"modified":"2013-07-05T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-07-05T15:00:00","slug":"the-gift-of-presence","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-gift-of-presence\/","title":{"rendered":"The Gift of Presence"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We become like the people we spend time with. So what happens then, when you spend time in prayer and Bible study?  Good things! Jedd Medefind, President of the Christian Alliance for Orphans, reminds us that Jesus has something good and true and eternal to say if we\u2019ll listen to him and become His apprentice. 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Here\u2019s Jedd Medefind:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> When there\u2019s a person in our lives who gives us the gift of true presence, who is really with us, who really is attentive to us, that\u2019s a rare thing; and we want to be around that person more. It\u2019s a special thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, July 5<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk today about how focusing on the needs of the people God has placed around you can be a radical way for you to share Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know it seems to me there are a number of voices that have been emerging in recent days to say, \u201cNormal American Christianity just isn\u2019t going to cut it anymore.\u201d I think of David Platt\u2019s book, <em>Radical<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Francis Chan\u2019s book, <em>Crazy Love<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think there is a young generation, Bob, that is yearning for something different than what they\u2019ve seen in an older generation where their Christianity really impacts the way they live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The consumerism, the materialism\u2014all of that kind of has blunted what our witness is supposed to look like. And I think there are voices that we need to be listening to and need to be asking ourselves, \u201cIs what we\u2019re doing as followers of Christ, is how we\u2019re living\u2014is it getting anywhere close to what Jesus was really calling us to?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and He didn\u2019t come to take sides. I\u2019ve always loved this statement that Tom Skinner made to me back when I was a college student. Tom was the chaplain for the Washington Redskins at the time, and he was from Brooklyn. He and I just hit it off. I don\u2019t know why, but we did. And Tom told me\u2014he said, \u201cJesus Christ didn\u2019t come to take sides. He came to take over.\u201d He came to transform you. He came to make you a different person. He\u2019s not interested in the status quo. He\u2019s interested in transformation. <br><br>And our guest on the broadcast today, Jedd Medefind, believes that as well. Jedd, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Thank you, Dennis and Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jedd is the President of the Christian Alliance for Orphans, which is a coalition of more than 120 organizations and a national network of churches and laymen that are making a difference for orphans. He and his wife, Rachel, live in central California with their five children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd before we talk about your book, <em>Upended<\/em>, where you are talking about how Jesus Christ remakes our lives, our marriages, our families, and our world\u2014explain, first of all, what the Christian Alliance for Orphans is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know the Alliance brings together this big, broad, diverse coalition of organizations and churches that really share a commitment to two things: to the Gospel of Christ and to the orphan in distress. And together they are seeking to work that out\u2014and not only as individuals, but really as church communities, seeking to see the church of Christ once again be known, as it has at its best points throughout history, as a people who care for the orphan in distress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You host an event every year. Dennis and I have been to the Orphan Summit, the Christian Alliance for the Orphan Summit, which is hosted every year in the spring. And it\u2019s a great event for folks who want to get together and hear what other people are doing and learn how you can sharpen what you are doing in your church, in your family\u2014just people who have a heart to see orphans cared for and want to see the word get out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com if folks want to go there and click on the link and find out when and where it\u2019s going to be next. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And specifically, Jesus Christ transformed your life by calling you to go near the orphan. You and your wife adopted one of your five. And now, you\u2019re giving leadership to this organization. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We could say your life was upended a little bit with that, couldn\u2019t we? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. (Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Where did this book come from? I mean did it come out of the orphan care movement, or did it come out of another place? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know, Dennis and Bob, you\u2019re both talking about how there often is this feeling within American Christianity\u2014and I think in other countries, too\u2014that there is this huge gulf between the grand ideals of our faith and Monday morning when we go into the job site, when we\u2019re caring for kids at home\u2014whatever it is. It feels like the big principles are distant from the small choices. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And a good friend of mine, Erik Lokkesmoe, he and I were both serving in the political realm in communications; and we wanted to ask the question, \u201cWhat does Jesus\u2019s truth have to do with our daily choices in regard to the way that we communicate and interact and connect with others?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell people what you were doing in the political realm. You were working in the White House, right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s correct. Yes. I was serving with President Bush, leading his faith-based and community initiative. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And so, here you are\u2014were you in the East Wing\/West Wing? Where were you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> West Wing was where a lot of meetings were. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In the West Wing. That\u2019s\u2014you were right there at the center of where things are going on, and you\u2019re trying to figure out, \u201cOkay, I\u2019m a follower of Jesus. I\u2019m right here at the hub of what\u2019s happening in our country politically and governmentally. How do those two things intersect?\u201d Was there conflict in that area? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> I don\u2019t think there needs to be. I mean, of course, there are always difficult challenges and moral decisions; but ultimately, I\u2019ve come to believe with all my heart that Jesus has something good and true and eternal to say even about the smallest decisions of our lives\u2014whether that\u2019s in the West Wing or in our marriages or parenting. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf we learn from Him\u2014not simply as the guy who gives us a ticket into Heaven, but as the Master who is masterful at everything He did\u2014if we learn from Him like a young painter might learn from da Vinci, then, it really changes things, not just on the large scale, but it brings a new vision and purpose even into the smallest interactions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When I was growing up, kind of the key phrase that we, as young people, would make about people who were followers of Christ was \u201cThey were hypocrites.\u201d They followed the perfect, God-man, Jesus Christ; and they didn\u2019t just quite match up. In fact, it just kind of looked like there was a gulf, as you said, between their faith and how they practiced their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And what you\u2019re writing about here\u2014you\u2019re calling us to merge our lives and our following of Christ into one. What\u2019s that look like? I mean, you speak in the book about becoming an apprentice of Jesus Christ. How would that happen in a marriage and a family? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know, Dennis, there\u2019s always, of course, going to be some gap\u2014a big gap, right?\u2014between us and Jesus; but as it says in 1 John that anyone who claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did. And so, as we begin to look and say, \u201cHow did Jesus walk in the most intimate interactions with people? How did He speak? How did He listen? How did He approach those interactions?\u201d That\u2019s where, I believe, we really begin to walk as Jesus did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd when we do, that really changes things. It takes the discussion of \u201cHey, we need to change everything. We need to be radical,\u201d and it brings it down into daily choices that we actually can make and that really do change things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Give me an illustration from your marriage. You and Rachel have been married for how many years now? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> A dozen years now, a dozen really good years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay. Give me a recent story of how your apprenticeship to Jesus Christ impacted how you treated your wife. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Right. So, well, here\u2014you know this is\u2014here\u2019s one area that I feel like has been very significant to me. You know we live in an age that is totally distracted, right? We\u2019ve got technology coming in. We\u2019ve got noise. We\u2019ve got Facebook, e-mail, everything; and the interesting thing is that Jesus, in many ways, was pulled in so many directions, too, right? He was busy and popular. There were people always demanding His time. And yet, He placed an amazing premium on attentiveness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you think of when He was going through the crowd and He was heading off to heal Jairus\u2019s daughter, right? And so, the daughter of an influential man is dying. I mean talk about an urgent situation. And there is a crowd around Him, and they\u2019re all going in the same direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this woman out of the crowd touches Him, and the Gospels tell us that she actually received what she came for when she touched Him. She received physical healing the moment she touched Him; but Jesus still stopped, He turned around, and He gave His entire attention to her. It was only after that incredibly focused attention that Jesus gave to her amidst all that urgency\u2014did, then, He say, \u201cGo in peace, daughter. Your faith has made you well.\u201d <br><br>And so, for me, what that has become is a calling to that kind of attentiveness that pushes back the noise and distraction amidst every relationship and, of course, most of all in my marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, when you come home from work, you\u2019re tired; and Rachel comes up to you and says, \u201cSweetheart, the washing machine broke, our five kids\u201d\u2014you have five eight and under\u2014\u201cone of our kids has been whiny, cranky, and two others have got runny noses. This is all bad today. I need your help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow does that refocus and bring about your attentiveness as you come home thinking you deserve a break today? Thinking you deserve the easy chair and the night off? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Well, you know there are a lot of facets to it; but let me give you one really practical thing that\u2019s been very significant for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I\u2019d come home, I\u2019d always have my Blackberry. And there was an expectation in the White House that you\u2019re always on. So, I would come in, and I would be physically present. I might even be up fixing the washing machine, but my mind would be racing over a number of issues from work. And I would, frankly, be feeding that by glancing at my Blackberry from time to time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, of course, I\u2019d try not to do while Rachel was talking to me; but I\u2019d slip in the other room, and I\u2019d do a quick check. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think we all can identify with that, right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I excuse myself to go to the bathroom because they can never tell what you\u2019re doing in the bathroom. That\u2019s how I did it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Like an addict with a fix. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. And what I\u2019ve realized is that even when I come back into the room after having checked the Blackberry\u2014or now, it\u2019s my iPhone\u2014that my mind is on those things and not fully present to Rachel and to the children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019ve actually made a practice of blocking off that time from the time I get home, even a little bit before I get home so I can clear my mind, until after the kids are in bed that I will not check the e-mail. I will not check the text messages, so that my mind isn\u2019t stimulated by something from outside the home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, what you\u2019ve just described sounds to me like wise counsel to give to a young husband or a young wife about focused attention; and it\u2019s good\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just the young ones, Bob? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I could use a little of it as well. But here\u2019s where\u2014I don\u2019t think of that as kind of radical following of Jesus, you know? That just sounds like good marital advice. How do you put the two of those together? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, again, you come back to the Gospels, and you look at the way that Jesus approached individuals. And you know every bit as much as we today, He was deluged with issues and information and people that wanted a piece of His time. So, there is no saying, \u201cHe wasn\u2019t as busy as us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> He was. But when He was travelling through a crowd and there was someone like Zacchaeus up in a tree\u2014who everyone else disliked, by the way\u2014Jesus focused upon him out of the midst of the crowd and said, \u201cI\u2019m coming to your house.\u201d And He wanted to have a meal together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you think about blind Bartimaeus. Again, everyone in the crowd was overlooking this blind guy on the edge. Jesus called him in and then focused upon him. And that story of the bleeding woman\u2014again, desperate urgency\u2014and yet, Jesus pausing and pushing everything back, so that He could give Himself to this one woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know here\u2019s what\u2019s interesting as you\u2019re describing this. We often think of the radical, committed follower of Christ as the one who gives it all up and moves to Uganda and ministers there among the poorest of the poor and gives his life away, her life away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you\u2019re describing is an orientation toward others, those who God brings you near\u2014whether it\u2019s your family, whether it\u2019s the people on the fringes\u2014it\u2019s having an other-centeredness. That\u2019s pretty radical in our day for a follower of Jesus to live like that, isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. It\u2019s profoundly counter-cultural. And when someone does that\u2014when someone\u2014and just you know I think we all think about it. When there is a person in our lives who gives us the gift of true presence, who is really with us, who really is attentive to us, that\u2019s a rare thing; and we want to be around that person more. It\u2019s a special thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I would add, Bob, to you mentioning the idea of moving to Uganda, I think a lot of us are. We are waiting for some big call. We want to be radical. So, we\u2019re thinking, \u201cWell, at some point, if I move to some crazy place, then I\u2019ll be a radical;\u201d but the truth is you could move there, and you\u2019re still going to be yourself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> And the only way that you are going to love people well in Uganda\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> \u2014is if you learn to be attentive to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and this morning I had a problem with my mortgage company. And I\u2014truth be known, I was a bit frustrated with the phone tree because it was a phone tree that the roots went, perhaps, down to the core of the earth to be able to finally find a living person to talk to. And I was so glad as I did\u2014now, this may sound like a little bitty deal, but I purposed that I was going to be kind to the young lady who talked to me. Her name\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Eventually, when you got to a real person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014when I finally got to a real person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Her name was Shaunda. And when I talked to Shaunda, I had determined I was going to be nice. And I was glad because as I unraveled the problem I was having she had to ask me what I did. So, if I had attacked her, really been rude\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and then, said, \u201cOh, by the way, I\u2019m in the ministry\u201d\u2014but truthfully, I\u2019m finding in my life this is a real test for me because I can go for the objective. I want to get to the task. I want to accomplish what needs to be done, get to the purpose of the matter, and move on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what I have to realize is there are people that may not be in the way of my purpose, but they have been placed there by God for me, as you\u2019ve just reminded us, to truly love them as we move toward the purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, and you know the closing chapter of the book is called \u201cThe Biggest Decisions We\u2019ll Ever Make\u201d. And of course, most of us think of those in terms of where we\u2019ll live, what jobs we\u2019ll take, whom we\u2019ll marry\u2014if we\u2019re not married\u2014and those of course are big decisions; but ultimately, the ultimate legacy of our lives, the ultimate impact of it, who we are and who are we becoming, hinges primarily on small decisions like the one you were describing this morning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre you patient with the person who\u2019s at the roots of the phone tree? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was this time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Those are the watershed things that over time, cumulatively, both shape who we are becoming and ultimately the impact we have on other\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I had a friend who shared this with me years ago. I\u2019ve never forgotten it. He pointed me to the end of Hebrews, Chapter 10. And it describes the people who were the recipients of this letter. It says, \u201cAfter you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, sometimes being partners with those so treated. You had compassion on those in prison. You joyfully accepted the plundering of your property.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I think, \u201cYou joyfully accepted the plundering of your property?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you sure that\u2019s in the Bible? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. That\u2019s right. Then, he went\u2014he said, \u201cNow, skip ahead to Hebrews, Chapter 13.\u201d He said, \u201cIt had described what they were going through, the sufferings, their property being plundered.\u201d He said, \u201cYou get to Hebrews 13. How should you live in the midst of this? Well, remember those who are in prison. Let your marriage be held in honor. Keep the marriage bed undefiled. Keep your life free from the love of money. Show hospitality.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And I\u2019m going, \u201cThat\u2019s pretty basic, mundane stuff about have a good marriage, show kindness to strangers, help those in prison. These people had their property being plundered, and the instruction is live as people who are radically committed to the good of others for the glory of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> And that\u2019s how you lay the foundation. For if you get to the point where your property is plundered, how you will respond then isn\u2019t something you can decide in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That is the outflow of a character that has been over years--when it wasn\u2019t your property being plundered; it was just 15 minutes of your morning being plundered because you were on a phone tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there was some property being plundered in this particular case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> It must have been your home loan, huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was going to cost me some money. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But what you are saying is exactly right. We\u2019ve talked to people over and over again who when the diagnosis of cancer came, they looked at one another and they said, \u201cYou know we\u2019ve said for years this is what we believe. Now, we get to prove that\u2019s true.\u201d And you\u2019re right. Our theology and our practice are being cultivated in the mundane, so that when the extraordinary comes along we can respond as we ought to respond. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. And it not only is lived out in the mundane; but actually, when we are apprentices to Jesus in those ordinary moments, it brings a freshness of life into that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I just remember when I was working in the White House and when I would get there very early in the morning and no one else was there and the janitor would come through often. I was there to get work done. I did not want to be interrupted, but I was actually pondering these very things we\u2019re talking about now: attentiveness and the gift of presence. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just thought, \u201cI need to do a better job of listening to her.\u201d And we had some amazing conversations. And the truth be told, over time, she started having our family over to her house; and we had the most wonderful times. You know the classic story, but I learned far more from her than she from us\u2014these amazing stories of her immigration from El Salvador and other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, it was\u2014the watershed moment was me sitting in my desk at 6:30 morning deciding whether I would spend an extra three minutes listening or not. That\u2019s the watershed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was working in the White House\u2014of course, you were in the office of faith-based initiatives. So, everybody kind of knew you were one of those faith-based guys; but I\u2019m guessing in any White House there are a lot of folks who aren\u2019t among the faith-based among us. Did you have to be particularly aware of the fact that you were a representative of Christ and that you were going to have to live this out in a unique way? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know certainly I think in any workplace\u2014and maybe in a special way, the White House\u2014when you\u2019re in a visible position\u2014and visible might just mean you have one colleague who is hearing your phone conversations on the other side of the cubicle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> --you know that every act is going to be scrutinized. And of course, when grace remains abstract, when the truth that we\u2019re claiming is just some big idea, it\u2019s never going to penetrate; but it begins to penetrate when it becomes concrete. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by concrete, I mean things like being kind to the person on the other side of the phone; and your office mate hearing that and thinking, \u201cMy gosh! If I went through that with Bank of America, I\u2019d be giving them the verbal middle finger. Yet, what I\u2019m hearing is graciousness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is something physical, something audible about grace in that moment; and it breaks through a noisy, crowded over-messaged culture in a way that no amount of words ever could. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jedd, what you\u2019ve reminded us of today is that, again, Jesus Christ didn\u2019t come to take sides. He came to take over. He came to make us different people, and He wants to transform the way we relate to one another. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo back in one of the Gospels, the Book of Matthew, and you look at what Jesus did when He called men to follow Him. He says, \u201cFollow me,\u201d in Matthew 4. He says, \u201cFollow me, and I will make you fishers of men.\u201d And it says later on in the passage\u2014it says, \u201cImmediately, they left their boat and their father and followed Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are some who maybe have been obedient to Christ when He called initially to leave the boat, to leave their relationships, their father, their mother, and started following Christ; but along the way they got distracted from following the true King of kings and Lord of lords. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what you\u2019ve reminded us about today is that we\u2019ve got to get back on the journey. We\u2019ve got to get back on the path and just ask the question, \u201cAm I a follower of Jesus Christ? Have I come into a relationship with Him by faith and am I continuing that relationship today in all my relationships?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Has my spiritual ADD left me thinking about other things when I should be following Him? <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. Or have the distractions of the world seduced me off into following something else that isn\u2019t going to transform my life? I just really appreciate the exhortation. I\u2019m going to go home tonight, and I\u2019m going to hopefully relate to my wife and my adult children more like a true follower of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for being on our broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Hey, thank you, Dennis. It\u2019s a great privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is it my turn now? I\u2019m sorry I was checking my e-mail. Am I supposed to go? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Could we talk about your attentiveness? Attentiveness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have copies of Jedd\u2019s book which is called <em>Upended<\/em> in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center. You can go online for more information about the book. Again, the title is <em>Upended<\/em>; and it\u2019s really a book about the choices we make that shape our lives, how we communicate, how we connect with one another and how we often are too busy for any of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy of the book, <em>Upended<\/em>, by Jedd Medefind; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, and we\u2019ll get a copy of the book sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, all this week in recognition of our Independence Day celebration, our nation\u2019s birthday, we have been reflecting on the life and the legacy of Adam Brown, a Navy SEAL who gave his life in service for our country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason we\u2019ve been thinking about Adam Brown is because a few months ago we sat down with his widow, Kelley, and we talked about their marriage. We talked about the challenges they faced as a military couple, and we talked about Adam\u2019s final deployment, the one he didn\u2019t come back from. It was a powerful, riveting interview. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis week, we are making that interview available on CD for those of you who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by making a donation. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make your donation over the phone, request the CD of our interview with Kelley Brown; and we\u2019re happy to send it out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere may be someone you know in your circle of friends, someone with a military background who might appreciate this story. So again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to make a donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make your donation. We\u2019re happy to send you a copy of the CD of our interview with Kelley Brown. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk to a man who has spoken to millions of people all around the world about Jesus. And hearing him today, you would have no idea of the family issues he faced as a young boy growing up in Michigan. Josh McDowell joins us Monday, and I hope you can join us as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today\u2014his name is Keith Lynch\u2014also, our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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Here\u2019s Jedd Medefind:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> When there\u2019s a person in our lives who gives us the gift of true presence, who is really with us, who really is attentive to us, that\u2019s a rare thing; and we want to be around that person more. It\u2019s a special thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, July 5<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk today about how focusing on the needs of the people God has placed around you can be a radical way for you to share Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know it seems to me there are a number of voices that have been emerging in recent days to say, \u201cNormal American Christianity just isn\u2019t going to cut it anymore.\u201d I think of David Platt\u2019s book, <em>Radical<\/em>\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014Francis Chan\u2019s book, <em>Crazy Love<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think there is a young generation, Bob, that is yearning for something different than what they\u2019ve seen in an older generation where their Christianity really impacts the way they live. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The consumerism, the materialism\u2014all of that kind of has blunted what our witness is supposed to look like. And I think there are voices that we need to be listening to and need to be asking ourselves, \u201cIs what we\u2019re doing as followers of Christ, is how we\u2019re living\u2014is it getting anywhere close to what Jesus was really calling us to?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and He didn\u2019t come to take sides. I\u2019ve always loved this statement that Tom Skinner made to me back when I was a college student. Tom was the chaplain for the Washington Redskins at the time, and he was from Brooklyn. He and I just hit it off. I don\u2019t know why, but we did. And Tom told me\u2014he said, \u201cJesus Christ didn\u2019t come to take sides. He came to take over.\u201d He came to transform you. He came to make you a different person. He\u2019s not interested in the status quo. He\u2019s interested in transformation. <br><br>And our guest on the broadcast today, Jedd Medefind, believes that as well. Jedd, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Thank you, Dennis and Bob. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jedd is the President of the Christian Alliance for Orphans, which is a coalition of more than 120 organizations and a national network of churches and laymen that are making a difference for orphans. He and his wife, Rachel, live in central California with their five children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd before we talk about your book, <em>Upended<\/em>, where you are talking about how Jesus Christ remakes our lives, our marriages, our families, and our world\u2014explain, first of all, what the Christian Alliance for Orphans is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know the Alliance brings together this big, broad, diverse coalition of organizations and churches that really share a commitment to two things: to the Gospel of Christ and to the orphan in distress. And together they are seeking to work that out\u2014and not only as individuals, but really as church communities, seeking to see the church of Christ once again be known, as it has at its best points throughout history, as a people who care for the orphan in distress. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You host an event every year. Dennis and I have been to the Orphan Summit, the Christian Alliance for the Orphan Summit, which is hosted every year in the spring. And it\u2019s a great event for folks who want to get together and hear what other people are doing and learn how you can sharpen what you are doing in your church, in your family\u2014just people who have a heart to see orphans cared for and want to see the word get out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>We\u2019ve got a link on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com if folks want to go there and click on the link and find out when and where it\u2019s going to be next. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And specifically, Jesus Christ transformed your life by calling you to go near the orphan. You and your wife adopted one of your five. And now, you\u2019re giving leadership to this organization. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We could say your life was upended a little bit with that, couldn\u2019t we? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. (Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Where did this book come from? I mean did it come out of the orphan care movement, or did it come out of another place? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know, Dennis and Bob, you\u2019re both talking about how there often is this feeling within American Christianity\u2014and I think in other countries, too\u2014that there is this huge gulf between the grand ideals of our faith and Monday morning when we go into the job site, when we\u2019re caring for kids at home\u2014whatever it is. It feels like the big principles are distant from the small choices. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And a good friend of mine, Erik Lokkesmoe, he and I were both serving in the political realm in communications; and we wanted to ask the question, \u201cWhat does Jesus\u2019s truth have to do with our daily choices in regard to the way that we communicate and interact and connect with others?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tell people what you were doing in the political realm. You were working in the White House, right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s correct. Yes. I was serving with President Bush, leading his faith-based and community initiative. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And so, here you are\u2014were you in the East Wing\/West Wing? 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In fact, it just kind of looked like there was a gulf, as you said, between their faith and how they practiced their lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And what you\u2019re writing about here\u2014you\u2019re calling us to merge our lives and our following of Christ into one. What\u2019s that look like? I mean, you speak in the book about becoming an apprentice of Jesus Christ. How would that happen in a marriage and a family? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know, Dennis, there\u2019s always, of course, going to be some gap\u2014a big gap, right?\u2014between us and Jesus; but as it says in 1 John that anyone who claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did. And so, as we begin to look and say, \u201cHow did Jesus walk in the most intimate interactions with people? How did He speak? How did He listen? 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You know we live in an age that is totally distracted, right? We\u2019ve got technology coming in. We\u2019ve got noise. We\u2019ve got Facebook, e-mail, everything; and the interesting thing is that Jesus, in many ways, was pulled in so many directions, too, right? He was busy and popular. There were people always demanding His time. And yet, He placed an amazing premium on attentiveness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you think of when He was going through the crowd and He was heading off to heal Jairus\u2019s daughter, right? And so, the daughter of an influential man is dying. I mean talk about an urgent situation. And there is a crowd around Him, and they\u2019re all going in the same direction. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this woman out of the crowd touches Him, and the Gospels tell us that she actually received what she came for when she touched Him. She received physical healing the moment she touched Him; but Jesus still stopped, He turned around, and He gave His entire attention to her. It was only after that incredibly focused attention that Jesus gave to her amidst all that urgency\u2014did, then, He say, \u201cGo in peace, daughter. Your faith has made you well.\u201d <br><br>And so, for me, what that has become is a calling to that kind of attentiveness that pushes back the noise and distraction amidst every relationship and, of course, most of all in my marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, when you come home from work, you\u2019re tired; and Rachel comes up to you and says, \u201cSweetheart, the washing machine broke, our five kids\u201d\u2014you have five eight and under\u2014\u201cone of our kids has been whiny, cranky, and two others have got runny noses. This is all bad today. I need your help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow does that refocus and bring about your attentiveness as you come home thinking you deserve a break today? Thinking you deserve the easy chair and the night off? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Well, you know there are a lot of facets to it; but let me give you one really practical thing that\u2019s been very significant for me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I\u2019d come home, I\u2019d always have my Blackberry. And there was an expectation in the White House that you\u2019re always on. So, I would come in, and I would be physically present. I might even be up fixing the washing machine, but my mind would be racing over a number of issues from work. And I would, frankly, be feeding that by glancing at my Blackberry from time to time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, of course, I\u2019d try not to do while Rachel was talking to me; but I\u2019d slip in the other room, and I\u2019d do a quick check. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think we all can identify with that, right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I excuse myself to go to the bathroom because they can never tell what you\u2019re doing in the bathroom. That\u2019s how I did it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Like an addict with a fix. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. And what I\u2019ve realized is that even when I come back into the room after having checked the Blackberry\u2014or now, it\u2019s my iPhone\u2014that my mind is on those things and not fully present to Rachel and to the children. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I\u2019ve actually made a practice of blocking off that time from the time I get home, even a little bit before I get home so I can clear my mind, until after the kids are in bed that I will not check the e-mail. I will not check the text messages, so that my mind isn\u2019t stimulated by something from outside the home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, what you\u2019ve just described sounds to me like wise counsel to give to a young husband or a young wife about focused attention; and it\u2019s good\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just the young ones, Bob? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, I could use a little of it as well. But here\u2019s where\u2014I don\u2019t think of that as kind of radical following of Jesus, you know? That just sounds like good marital advice. How do you put the two of those together? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, again, you come back to the Gospels, and you look at the way that Jesus approached individuals. And you know every bit as much as we today, He was deluged with issues and information and people that wanted a piece of His time. So, there is no saying, \u201cHe wasn\u2019t as busy as us.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> He was. But when He was travelling through a crowd and there was someone like Zacchaeus up in a tree\u2014who everyone else disliked, by the way\u2014Jesus focused upon him out of the midst of the crowd and said, \u201cI\u2019m coming to your house.\u201d And He wanted to have a meal together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOr you think about blind Bartimaeus. Again, everyone in the crowd was overlooking this blind guy on the edge. Jesus called him in and then focused upon him. And that story of the bleeding woman\u2014again, desperate urgency\u2014and yet, Jesus pausing and pushing everything back, so that He could give Himself to this one woman. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know here\u2019s what\u2019s interesting as you\u2019re describing this. We often think of the radical, committed follower of Christ as the one who gives it all up and moves to Uganda and ministers there among the poorest of the poor and gives his life away, her life away. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you\u2019re describing is an orientation toward others, those who God brings you near\u2014whether it\u2019s your family, whether it\u2019s the people on the fringes\u2014it\u2019s having an other-centeredness. That\u2019s pretty radical in our day for a follower of Jesus to live like that, isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. It\u2019s profoundly counter-cultural. And when someone does that\u2014when someone\u2014and just you know I think we all think about it. When there is a person in our lives who gives us the gift of true presence, who is really with us, who really is attentive to us, that\u2019s a rare thing; and we want to be around that person more. It\u2019s a special thing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I would add, Bob, to you mentioning the idea of moving to Uganda, I think a lot of us are. We are waiting for some big call. We want to be radical. So, we\u2019re thinking, \u201cWell, at some point, if I move to some crazy place, then I\u2019ll be a radical;\u201d but the truth is you could move there, and you\u2019re still going to be yourself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> And the only way that you are going to love people well in Uganda\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> \u2014is if you learn to be attentive to them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and this morning I had a problem with my mortgage company. And I\u2014truth be known, I was a bit frustrated with the phone tree because it was a phone tree that the roots went, perhaps, down to the core of the earth to be able to finally find a living person to talk to. And I was so glad as I did\u2014now, this may sound like a little bitty deal, but I purposed that I was going to be kind to the young lady who talked to me. Her name\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Eventually, when you got to a real person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014when I finally got to a real person. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Her name was Shaunda. And when I talked to Shaunda, I had determined I was going to be nice. And I was glad because as I unraveled the problem I was having she had to ask me what I did. So, if I had attacked her, really been rude\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and then, said, \u201cOh, by the way, I\u2019m in the ministry\u201d\u2014but truthfully, I\u2019m finding in my life this is a real test for me because I can go for the objective. I want to get to the task. I want to accomplish what needs to be done, get to the purpose of the matter, and move on. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what I have to realize is there are people that may not be in the way of my purpose, but they have been placed there by God for me, as you\u2019ve just reminded us, to truly love them as we move toward the purpose. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, and you know the closing chapter of the book is called \u201cThe Biggest Decisions We\u2019ll Ever Make\u201d. And of course, most of us think of those in terms of where we\u2019ll live, what jobs we\u2019ll take, whom we\u2019ll marry\u2014if we\u2019re not married\u2014and those of course are big decisions; but ultimately, the ultimate legacy of our lives, the ultimate impact of it, who we are and who are we becoming, hinges primarily on small decisions like the one you were describing this morning. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAre you patient with the person who\u2019s at the roots of the phone tree? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I was this time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Those are the watershed things that over time, cumulatively, both shape who we are becoming and ultimately the impact we have on other\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I had a friend who shared this with me years ago. I\u2019ve never forgotten it. He pointed me to the end of Hebrews, Chapter 10. And it describes the people who were the recipients of this letter. It says, \u201cAfter you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, sometimes being partners with those so treated. You had compassion on those in prison. You joyfully accepted the plundering of your property.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I think, \u201cYou joyfully accepted the plundering of your property?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you sure that\u2019s in the Bible? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. That\u2019s right. Then, he went\u2014he said, \u201cNow, skip ahead to Hebrews, Chapter 13.\u201d He said, \u201cIt had described what they were going through, the sufferings, their property being plundered.\u201d He said, \u201cYou get to Hebrews 13. How should you live in the midst of this? Well, remember those who are in prison. Let your marriage be held in honor. Keep the marriage bed undefiled. Keep your life free from the love of money. Show hospitality.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And I\u2019m going, \u201cThat\u2019s pretty basic, mundane stuff about have a good marriage, show kindness to strangers, help those in prison. These people had their property being plundered, and the instruction is live as people who are radically committed to the good of others for the glory of God.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> And that\u2019s how you lay the foundation. For if you get to the point where your property is plundered, how you will respond then isn\u2019t something you can decide in that moment. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> That is the outflow of a character that has been over years--when it wasn\u2019t your property being plundered; it was just 15 minutes of your morning being plundered because you were on a phone tree. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, there was some property being plundered in this particular case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> It must have been your home loan, huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was going to cost me some money. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But what you are saying is exactly right. We\u2019ve talked to people over and over again who when the diagnosis of cancer came, they looked at one another and they said, \u201cYou know we\u2019ve said for years this is what we believe. Now, we get to prove that\u2019s true.\u201d And you\u2019re right. Our theology and our practice are being cultivated in the mundane, so that when the extraordinary comes along we can respond as we ought to respond. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Absolutely. And it not only is lived out in the mundane; but actually, when we are apprentices to Jesus in those ordinary moments, it brings a freshness of life into that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, I just remember when I was working in the White House and when I would get there very early in the morning and no one else was there and the janitor would come through often. I was there to get work done. I did not want to be interrupted, but I was actually pondering these very things we\u2019re talking about now: attentiveness and the gift of presence. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I just thought, \u201cI need to do a better job of listening to her.\u201d And we had some amazing conversations. And the truth be told, over time, she started having our family over to her house; and we had the most wonderful times. You know the classic story, but I learned far more from her than she from us\u2014these amazing stories of her immigration from El Salvador and other things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, it was\u2014the watershed moment was me sitting in my desk at 6:30 morning deciding whether I would spend an extra three minutes listening or not. That\u2019s the watershed. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Was working in the White House\u2014of course, you were in the office of faith-based initiatives. So, everybody kind of knew you were one of those faith-based guys; but I\u2019m guessing in any White House there are a lot of folks who aren\u2019t among the faith-based among us. Did you have to be particularly aware of the fact that you were a representative of Christ and that you were going to have to live this out in a unique way? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Well, you know certainly I think in any workplace\u2014and maybe in a special way, the White House\u2014when you\u2019re in a visible position\u2014and visible might just mean you have one colleague who is hearing your phone conversations on the other side of the cubicle\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> --you know that every act is going to be scrutinized. And of course, when grace remains abstract, when the truth that we\u2019re claiming is just some big idea, it\u2019s never going to penetrate; but it begins to penetrate when it becomes concrete. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by concrete, I mean things like being kind to the person on the other side of the phone; and your office mate hearing that and thinking, \u201cMy gosh! If I went through that with Bank of America, I\u2019d be giving them the verbal middle finger. Yet, what I\u2019m hearing is graciousness.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is something physical, something audible about grace in that moment; and it breaks through a noisy, crowded over-messaged culture in a way that no amount of words ever could. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Jedd, what you\u2019ve reminded us of today is that, again, Jesus Christ didn\u2019t come to take sides. He came to take over. He came to make us different people, and He wants to transform the way we relate to one another. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo back in one of the Gospels, the Book of Matthew, and you look at what Jesus did when He called men to follow Him. He says, \u201cFollow me,\u201d in Matthew 4. He says, \u201cFollow me, and I will make you fishers of men.\u201d And it says later on in the passage\u2014it says, \u201cImmediately, they left their boat and their father and followed Christ.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think there are some who maybe have been obedient to Christ when He called initially to leave the boat, to leave their relationships, their father, their mother, and started following Christ; but along the way they got distracted from following the true King of kings and Lord of lords. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd what you\u2019ve reminded us about today is that we\u2019ve got to get back on the journey. We\u2019ve got to get back on the path and just ask the question, \u201cAm I a follower of Jesus Christ? Have I come into a relationship with Him by faith and am I continuing that relationship today in all my relationships?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Has my spiritual ADD left me thinking about other things when I should be following Him? <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. Or have the distractions of the world seduced me off into following something else that isn\u2019t going to transform my life? I just really appreciate the exhortation. I\u2019m going to go home tonight, and I\u2019m going to hopefully relate to my wife and my adult children more like a true follower of Jesus Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for being on our broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jedd:<\/strong> Hey, thank you, Dennis. It\u2019s a great privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is it my turn now? I\u2019m sorry I was checking my e-mail. Am I supposed to go? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Could we talk about your attentiveness? Attentiveness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have copies of Jedd\u2019s book which is called <em>Upended<\/em> in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center. You can go online for more information about the book. Again, the title is <em>Upended<\/em>; and it\u2019s really a book about the choices we make that shape our lives, how we communicate, how we connect with one another and how we often are too busy for any of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy of the book, <em>Upended<\/em>, by Jedd Medefind; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, and we\u2019ll get a copy of the book sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, all this week in recognition of our Independence Day celebration, our nation\u2019s birthday, we have been reflecting on the life and the legacy of Adam Brown, a Navy SEAL who gave his life in service for our country. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe reason we\u2019ve been thinking about Adam Brown is because a few months ago we sat down with his widow, Kelley, and we talked about their marriage. We talked about the challenges they faced as a military couple, and we talked about Adam\u2019s final deployment, the one he didn\u2019t come back from. It was a powerful, riveting interview. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis week, we are making that interview available on CD for those of you who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> by making a donation. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make your donation over the phone, request the CD of our interview with Kelley Brown; and we\u2019re happy to send it out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere may be someone you know in your circle of friends, someone with a military background who might appreciate this story. So again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to make a donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY and make your donation. We\u2019re happy to send you a copy of the CD of our interview with Kelley Brown. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk to a man who has spoken to millions of people all around the world about Jesus. And hearing him today, you would have no idea of the family issues he faced as a young boy growing up in Michigan. Josh McDowell joins us Monday, and I hope you can join us as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today\u2014his name is Keith Lynch\u2014also, our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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