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Brian Doyle says, \u201cThe issue is not a lack of desire on the part of the man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> See, men want to do well at home. That\u2019s why they pick churches with exceptional youth ministry, exceptional children\u2019s ministry, maybe, exceptional women\u2019s ministry because they love their family and they want their family to grow in Christ. So, they go and they bring them to church, drop them off, and say, \u201cI hope it all works out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, June 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Brian Doyle joins us today to talk about how churches can do a better job of equipping men to be the leaders God has called them to be. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just trying to think back. What was your very first Promise Keepers event that you spoke at? Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, how could I forget?! It was at Cowboy Stadium in the Dallas\/Ft. Worth area. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What year? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sixty-one thousand men. That\u2019s a good question\u2014maybe \u201994, \u201995\u2014somewhere in there. I\u2019m not sure; but all I know is I didn\u2019t know whether I\u2019d faint, pass out, or have to run to the bathroom in the middle of my message. I mean, that\u2019s a lot of folks! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Biggest crowd you\u2019d ever spoken in front of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It really was. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014at that time. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Great privilege. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I think a lot of us have kind of forgotten the legacy of Promise Keepers; but in the \u201990\u2019s, Promise Keepers was singularly calling men to what you\u2019ve been calling guys to over the last five years\u2014to step up and to be the men God\u2019s called them to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, I began my message\u2014and I know the Promise Keepers\u2019 leadership\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014was a little worried.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They had to nearly pass out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I remember this. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In fact, let me introduce our guest because he worked for Promise Keepers for a number of years. Brian Doyle joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Brian, welcome to the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> Delighted to be here. Dennis, love you. Love you, Bob\u2014great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Brian has been married to his wife Barbara since 1987. They have five children. He is the founder and President of Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014also, the host of the <em>Man2 Man Express<\/em> daily radio program, up in New England. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we should say\u2014for our listeners who don\u2019t know what Iron Sharpens Iron is\u2014that\u2019s a ministry that is doing conferences for men, all across the country. Tens of thousands of guys are getting together, on weekends, to understand God\u2019s design for manhood.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. And I want to find out more about that, Brian, from you; but I have to take you back to Cowboy Stadium. I began my message\u2014because there had been some controversy. There were some women\u2019s groups that were protesting. You may remember the day. I began my message by saying something to the effect, \u201cWe\u2019re here today to put women in their place.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And there was this pause. It was like the air of that stadium got sucked out. I said, \u201cThe place that the Bible calls men to put them\u2014a place of honor, of dignity\u2014a place to be nourished, cherished, admired, built into, to be discipled, to be loved on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And at that point\u2014. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And at that point, that entire stadium erupted\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in applause. And of course, I took away what the press would have loved to have had a line\u2014to have completely lined us all up and shot us, in the papers, the next day\u2014but it ended up being a great time. God used Promise Keepers. In fact, is still using Promise Keepers, I believe, through guys like you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s exactly it. I mean, we are a result\u2014as are <em>many<\/em> ministries like Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014we are a result of what God did\u2014what I would call the phenomenon of Promise Keepers. There is no logical explanation of how that whole thing happened. It was really a God-sized phenomenon. And yet, a ministry like ours is a result of what God did. It just\u2014now, you have these outgrowths. Really, at last count, I had 43 different ministries that had sprouted out of the Promise Keeper movement. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And PK is still going today, too? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. They are still there. It is a different thing. It\u2019s downsized and not like it was. It\u2019s not that big gorilla; but really, the big gorilla part of Promise Keepers is the 43 ministries that came out of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, I would agree with you. Explain to our listeners what the\u2014really, the goal of Iron Sharpens Iron is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, very clear\u2014Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014our goal is to help the church. Now, from a customer stand point, our customer is the church. We want to help the church train men for spiritual leadership\u2014starting in the home, then in the church, and then the community. So, although the most visible thing we do is a platform of a conference. Really, that\u2019s just the platform. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we <em>want<\/em> to do is we want to help local churches succeed in reaching and engaging men and really discipling men, with others in mind\u2014not just the healthy men\u2014not just so that Dennis Rainey can walk with God for a lifetime\u2014but for Barbara Rainey, for your children, and for you grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, our vision is very clear. Really, one of the biggest challenges we have, as a ministry, is casting this vision and trusting God that it would land with church leaders\u2014that when you build into men, everybody wins. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. What really gripped you, originally, about the men\u2019s movement? Why did you\u2014why have you given your\u2014really, your adult life to this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You know, there were a couple things that happened. I worked through the Navigators a few years\u2014came to Christ through the Navigators, worked for them\u2014was on a submarine base, in the early \u201880\u2019s, working with enlisted guys and saw the camaraderie of mission-minded men in the name of Christ\u2014just <em>incredible<\/em> the commitment level that came with these enlisted sailors who were going to take the world for Jesus. Literally, many of them went to different parts of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Later, got married, got in the workplace again. Barbara and I would actually volunteer for <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and FamilyLife. We\u2019d keep doing stuff, and we realized that\u2014I realized that the women really wanted this stuff. The men were kind of, \u201cEh, I\u2019m doing okay.\u201d We even would do the <em>HomeBuilders<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> things. I would see guys who were somewhat disengaged and women who were engaged. It was frustrating to me. It was a little bit perplexing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater, this kind of set me up for the Promise Keeper thing\u2014wasn\u2019t looking for Promise Keepers. Promise Keepers\u2014from Connecticut\u2014sounded like a Christian party\u2014a big barbeque. [Laughter] I really had no interest in that. I wanted to disciple <em>men<\/em>. A friend that I trusted, though, brought me out. We went out to Colorado. We met the staff. They were outstanding people.\u00a0 We went to a conference. It was amazing! I mean, I felt like: \u201cThis is masculine context. How do I get this\u2014back to Connecticut?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I began to get involved with PK, it was with the idea that if you build into men, it\u2019s really\u2014there are others who are going to benefit. Well, my passion is not just healthy men. My passion is really family. See, if we build into men, with others in mind\u2014that means\u2014you know, God has opened the hearts of men for the people that a man loves the most. You know\u2014whether it\u2019s you, or Bob, or me\u2014there are people that we love more than others. It starts with the people that we live with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the privileges of kind of revisiting those moments, back with Promise Keepers, was that there were a number of messages given throughout the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was a Friday night, all day Saturday in these stadiums, where tens of thousands of guys would come. There was a message on the Gospel. There were messages on how to live the Christian life in the workplace\u2014and use your place of business as an outreach for Christ\u2014racial reconciliation; but the message they gave me, I thought, was the sweet spot of where those men were\u2014in terms of practically and immediately applying what the Scripture teaches\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because they allowed me to speak on marriage and family and how a man can apply the Bible, immediately, in their relationship with their wives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. There\u2014as I remember, there were seven promises. Marriage and family was one of the seven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Number four, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But that was the one of the seven\u2014guys were paying attention to all seven, but that one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014their ears perked up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This goes back to the days when we had pay phones\u2014but after the message or during the message, in those stadiums, there were lines of men\u2014remember this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, definitely remember it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014who went to the pay phones to call their wives\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and ask them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> They were acting on it, immediately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to forgive them for their attitude and how they had behaved. In many cases, Brian, it wasn\u2019t just a one shot in a one weekend experience. Those guys did ask their wives to forgive them; and they went back, as different men\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to their marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> For me\u2014as a Navigator, as a Promise Keeper\u2014we put together this thing called Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014which is taking some of the best stuff that we\u2019re talking about from the Promise Keeper era\u2014this exhortation, this male context\u2014then, we take a little bit of my background and my passion, which is training and discipling. We craft it together and put together something so that we begin and end a day\u2014you guys have been there\u2014with an exhortative calling men out. Men need to be <em>called out<\/em>. This is part of masculine context. But, you can\u2019t call men out and not help them execute what you\u2019re calling them out to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> So, a big part of what we do, at our conferences, is training. We have 16 different training seminars\u2014where every single man who comes\u2014whether you\u2019re 13 or whether you\u2019re an experienced grandfather\u2014we want to have something that\u2019s tangible for you. We want to have something so that you know how to connect the dots between good intention and good execution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think I saw\u2014am I right?\u201440-plus events. Or is it more than that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s 65 this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow! Sixty-five events\u2014and these will range in size from maybe a couple hundred guys getting together to a couple of thousand guys; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. You are going to find nowadays\u2014of course, we started in the northeast, where the thousands are. Believe it or not, in the northeast, there are thousands. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s amazing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> But now, it\u2019s happening in different parts of the country. Yes. What we need is critical mass. See, this is, again, part of the Promise Keeper lesson. You need men together. You need to fill whatever you have\u2014whether it\u2019s a sanctuary, an arena, or a stadium\u2014you need to fill it so there is this critical mass. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCritical mass is part of God showing up in a man\u2019s life, where he will let his guard down; and he\u2019ll hear from God. He\u2019ll hear from the Word of God, the Spirit of God. But if you don\u2019t have critical mass\u2014I mean, worship is part of this experience. My initial memory of the Promise Keeper era\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014is Boulder Stadium\u2014\u201cHoly, holy, holy\u2026.\u201d at six p.m. on a Friday. The rest of the day\u2014I have no idea what happened. I don\u2019t remember what happened the next day; but I remember thinking: \u201cWhatever just happened, I\u2019ve got to figure that thing out. I\u2019ve got to bring this back home with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love women\u2019s voices, but there is something about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> About men singing, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u20142,000 men, 3,000 men\u2014takes me back to the days at Dallas Theological Seminary in Chapel\u2014when you had men singing those great hymns of the faith, knocking it out, on their feet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, you know, what we\u2019ve found is that for the most part\u2014and this is a hard thing to be a worship leader in a church on Sunday morning\u2014old and young, men and women, different maturities. But when we come together at a men\u2019s conference, it is much easier. You pick songs. We\u2019ve got 30 songs we give worship leaders, \u201cYou pick of these songs you want,\u201d\u201430 songs that work for men, at a certain octave\u2014songs of war\u2014songs like <em>A Mighty Fortress is our God<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> <em>Holy, Holy, Holy<\/em>\u2014sing to the Lord, sing to the King. So, they\u2019re songs that resonate with a man\u2019s spirit because it\u2019s important that a man\u2019s emotions get engaged when he worships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk about why that\u2019s so important for a guy to get emotionally engaged because a lot of guys are like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to go there. They are going to manipulate me; or I just rather keep it up, here, in the head.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying the head. It\u2019s head versus heart. When you get guys worshiping Almighty God, their heart begins to get engaged. They begin\u2014that\u2019s part of the Lordship of Christ\u2014being under the Lordship of Christ means that you\u2019re surrendering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m at conferences, and guys are surrendering. Guys are doing things with their hands, and their body, and their posture that they would never get the opportunity to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> So, we\u2019ve got to create a safe place where men can get connected to Almighty God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not either\/or. It\u2019s both\/ and. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is both the head and the heart. I know you have a passion about this because this is what it\u2019s all about. It\u2019s about discipleship. It\u2019s about viral, spiritual multiplication. You\u2019ve had a privilege of seeing how God has used the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122 <\/sup>video series with men because that\u2019s a passion of ours\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014here, at FamilyLife. We want to put this tool in the hands of guys\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014not just pastors, but laymen who are in businesses, and neighborhoods, in churches, in communities\u2014who can make a statement to their community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m about to go speak in a smaller town in Alabama\u2014a number of churches that have joined together\u2014but it\u2019s all been done by laymen. They\u2019ve pulled it together because they have a passion for their community. Talk about what you\u2019ve seen and how God has used <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014the video series\u2014to impact men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, it does really resonate with the head\/heart thing because when you think about all the different aspects of discipleship\u2014you think about what we do in a church or even out of church\u2014whether it is the workplace or other places\u2014a man is\u2014the people that he loves most, he wants to succeed. He wants this significance that comes from that legacy. He knows that he has primary responsibility for building into his family. Yet, he is completely ill-equipped for this job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe idea of men in the 21<sup>st<\/sup> century is that we live in a professional environment, where we write checks to people. I call it a general-contractor mentality. Most likely, you\u2019ve got people helping you in church life, people helping you in the schools, people helping you with music with your kids, coaches. You\u2019re delegating, delegating, delegating. You\u2019re in charge, but you\u2019re delegating. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of sub-contractors there, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> A lot of sub-contractors. You\u2019re technically in charge because you are overseeing the whole operation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And a man doesn\u2019t want to look unprofessional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, many times, he shrinks back when we call him to step up, and step out, and lead a group of men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> And he\u2014they\u2019re not ready for that. I mean: \u201cI don\u2019t have training in that. I have my expertise. I know what it is to have expertise because people pay me to do something Monday through Friday.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u201cWhat you\u2019re asking me to do, I\u2019m not trained in. I\u2019ve not got schooled in it. No one has built into me. I don\u2019t know how to get there.\u201d But this is what\u2019s exciting about church life\u2014is that we\u2019re helping churches to purposely build into men, with others in mind. <br><br>See, men want to do well at home. That\u2019s why they pick churches with exceptional youth ministry, exceptional children\u2019s ministry, maybe, exceptional women\u2019s ministry because they love their family and they want their family to grow in Christ. So, they go and they bring them to church, drop them off, and say, \u201cI hope it all works out.\u201d We\u2019re calling churches, now, not to give up on that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014but to begin to also build into<em> that<\/em> man\u2014whether he is a father, grandfather, or husband\u2014so that he can be a portal toward growth in Christ for his wife and kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Brian, the 65-plus events that Iron Sharpens Iron is doing, across the country, this year\u2014you really want that day to be catalytic. If it is not a launching point\u2014if it\u2019s seen as the end in itself\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014you walk away going, \u201cThat didn\u2019t work.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s my greatest fear. I say, at any event I go to\u2014because I\u2019m up front. I\u2019m on the platform. I say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy greatest fear is that this would be an isolated event. So, here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do today. This is an equipping conference. It\u2019s got three components. Number one, it\u2019s got exhortation. We\u2019re going to have an exhortative, calling you out time. We\u2019re going to have training in equipping. We\u2019re going to have 16 different seminars where you can pick what you want to go to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not going to be about being a spouse\u2014it\u2019s about being a husband. It\u2019s not going to be about being a parent\u2014it\u2019s about being a dad. It\u2019s not about general struggles\u2014it\u2019s about the struggles that are specific to men\u2014whatever it might be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, we have resources because today you\u2019ve got to get the tools that will move you from intention to execution. You\u2019re going to get tools today to help you grow in Christ, as a man\u2014as an individual\u2014Bible study resources, whatever it might be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to give you tools that help you grow in your relationship with your wife\u2014to pray with your wife, to build into her. We\u2019re going to give you resources, as a dad, and as a granddad. We\u2019re going to give you resources to be a man, who is a leader in the church and the community. But you\u2019ve got to get these resources or else this event will stop at 4:55, and it will not produce the fruit that God intended. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We want to put those resources in the hands of spiritual multipliers. You\u2019ve got some great guys, who fill the podium and the pulpit. Tony Evans just did one recently with Jeff Kemp\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I know, on the East coast. Who are some of the other speakers that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Crawford Loritts\u2014obviously, one of your friends\u2014his son, Bryan\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014Voddie Baucham, which, of course, is one of your friends. My job is to find guys that aren\u2019t just wonderful, articulate communicators, who love God and love God\u2019s Word, but who have a deep burden, that God has placed on their life, to build into men\u2014not to fix men\u2014that\u2019s not what we\u2019re looking for. I\u2019m looking for guys who see through you and see your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren\u2014a Psalm 78-type of guy who knows, \u201cWhen I build into you, the adjustments that a man makes can be felt for generations to come.\u201d That\u2019s who we want on the platform at our conference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Psalm 78 talks about, really, older men passing on the truth about God and their experience of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to the next generation because we are in a generational relay race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> I tell guys, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to tell the story, whether it\u2019s Joshua 24\u2014whatever. You\u2019ve got to tell the story about Peter and Paul, about Joshua and Moses; but you\u2019ve got to tell your own story, as well.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> My kids long to hear my story\u2014\u201cHow did I come to faith?\u201d\u2014my wife\u2019s story: \u201cHow did we meet? How did God bring us together?\u201d Then, they\u2019ll say, \u201cCould you tell us that story again, Dad?\u201d I\u2019ll go, \u201cWell, didn\u2019t I just tell it to you?\u201d \u201cYes, would you tell it again?\u201d \u201cOkay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And those stories get passed down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, those stories\u2014I mean\u2014whether through journal, or photography, or whether it\u2019s verbal\u2014that\u2019s a big part of our life\u2014is to make sure we\u2019re passing on those stories to the next generation. Again, that\u2019s Psalm 78. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage the men who are listening\u2014and for that matter, the wives and the women who, perhaps, are dating some single guys\u2014to get your man to one of these Iron Sharpens Iron events because they really are transformative. When you send your husband, or your boyfriend, or your son to this event, you\u2019re not just sending them to experience a rah-rah cheerleader-type of thing. Now, there is some real meat passed on and some serious challenges; but most importantly, they\u2019re given some marching orders, from a generational standpoint. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the guys don\u2019t have to wait to be sent; do they? I mean, they can do this on their own initiative. They can take responsibility for themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think so. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to make sure that\u2019s okay. You would endorse that? If there are guys listening\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m all about initiative. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. They can click the link there to find out more about Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014where it\u2019s being held in cities, all across the country\u2014and get some other guys to go with you and spend a day getting pointed in the right direction. Then, use that day as a springboard to go deeper, as a guy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And one other thing I\u2019d say\u2014because I know Brian\u2019s heart\u2014his desire is that this be tied to a local church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014somehow, someway. For your group\u2014ideally\u2014now, you might bring some guys who aren\u2019t followers of Christ today\u2014maybe, on the fringes and just in need of some encouragement. But if possible, try to come connected, on the front end, to your local church because when you go back, that\u2019s going to make all the difference in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s not just about content. If it was about content, I would just send guys CD\u2019s and books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> It\u2019s about processing that content with one another. Have you noticed what we call this ministry? Guys call me, \u201cSo, what\u2019s the theme?\u201d \u201cWell, the theme is Iron Sharpens Iron.\u201d \u201cYes, but that was the theme last year. What\u2019s the theme this year?\u201d \u201cWell, the theme is Iron Sharpens Iron <em>because<\/em> we\u2019re building, and affirming, and encouraging one another.\u201d It\u2019s not just about content. It\u2019s about processing life and the Scriptures together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWomen are growing in Christ, automatically, because they are in relationships. They are prone to\u2014God\u2019s wired them that way. And men, because our nature is to be a little bit, \u201cTake our own deal,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A little? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You think so? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A little? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> self-sufficient, self-reliant, stand on our own two feet\u2014\u201cI\u2019m okay; you\u2019re okay, I\u2019m fine; you\u2019re fine.\u201d So, we\u2019ve got to be more intentional in processing life together. The men\u2019s conference is just an opportunity to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just wish Brian was a little more passionate about this; don\u2019t you? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do, too. I do, too. I believe in this ministry, though, and am excited about men going to it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and again, if you go to FamilyLifeToday.com, there is a link there that will get you more information about Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014where events are being held, all across the country, in the months ahead. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com, click on the link for \u201cIron Sharpens Iron\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGet more information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series that FamilyLife has created, as well. We\u2019ve designed this to build into the lives of men\u2014help strengthen and equip them to be the men that God has called them to be. A lot of guys have started going through this either with their men\u2019s group from church or on your own. In fact, you could get the kit and get a group of guys together\u2014this summer\u2014meet once a week, and knock this thing out, and have a great time building some relationships and understand your assignment, as a man, even better. Or this is also something your church could go through, starting in the fall. If you need more information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series or the one-day <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention that we are making available, this week, copies of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. We\u2019re sending it out to you free. All we\u2019re asking is that you cover the cost of postage and handling. We\u2019ll send you the book; and we will include, along with it, a sampler DVD that has Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event. That gives you an idea of what is included in this series and the quality of the video. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and ask for a copy of Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. The book and the DVD sampler\u2014we\u2019ll send them out to you, free, if you\u2019ll cover the cost of postage and handling. You can also order by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY, 1-800-358-6329, 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I also want to say a quick word of thanks to those of you who make this program possible. That would be those of you who are regular contributors to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Legacy Partners, those of you who contribute monthly. We appreciate you. And we also are grateful for those of you who, from time to time, will check in with us and make a contribution. Oftentimes, we hear from folks who are just affirming that God is using this ministry in some way in their lives; and they call to make a donation. We appreciate your support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis month, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you for your donation,\u201d by sending you a copy of a message from Dennis Rainey\u2014a message delivered, a few years back, to a group of guys\u2014all about how a dad can be a protector for his children as he connects with them, heart to heart. When you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. We\u2019ll send out a copy of the CD from Dennis. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make your donation over the phone, and ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey. Again, we\u2019re happy to send it to you. We\u2019re grateful for you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd be sure to be back with us again tomorrow. We\u2019re going to hear some challenges from Dennis on husbands stepping up to be the husbands that God has called us to be. We\u2019ll hear a powerful message from Dennis Rainey tomorrow. Hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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Brian Doyle says, \u201cThe issue is not a lack of desire on the part of the man.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> See, men want to do well at home. That\u2019s why they pick churches with exceptional youth ministry, exceptional children\u2019s ministry, maybe, exceptional women\u2019s ministry because they love their family and they want their family to grow in Christ. So, they go and they bring them to church, drop them off, and say, \u201cI hope it all works out.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Wednesday, June 12<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Brian Doyle joins us today to talk about how churches can do a better job of equipping men to be the leaders God has called them to be. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just trying to think back. What was your very first Promise Keepers event that you spoke at? Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, how could I forget?! It was at Cowboy Stadium in the Dallas\/Ft. Worth area. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What year? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sixty-one thousand men. That\u2019s a good question\u2014maybe \u201994, \u201995\u2014somewhere in there. I\u2019m not sure; but all I know is I didn\u2019t know whether I\u2019d faint, pass out, or have to run to the bathroom in the middle of my message. 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Brian Doyle joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Brian, welcome to the broadcast. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> Delighted to be here. Dennis, love you. Love you, Bob\u2014great to be here. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Brian has been married to his wife Barbara since 1987. They have five children. He is the founder and President of Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014also, the host of the <em>Man2 Man Express<\/em> daily radio program, up in New England. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we should say\u2014for our listeners who don\u2019t know what Iron Sharpens Iron is\u2014that\u2019s a ministry that is doing conferences for men, all across the country. Tens of thousands of guys are getting together, on weekends, to understand God\u2019s design for manhood.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. And I want to find out more about that, Brian, from you; but I have to take you back to Cowboy Stadium. I began my message\u2014because there had been some controversy. There were some women\u2019s groups that were protesting. You may remember the day. I began my message by saying something to the effect, \u201cWe\u2019re here today to put women in their place.\u201d [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Wow! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And there was this pause. It was like the air of that stadium got sucked out. I said, \u201cThe place that the Bible calls men to put them\u2014a place of honor, of dignity\u2014a place to be nourished, cherished, admired, built into, to be discipled, to be loved on.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And at that point\u2014. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And at that point, that entire stadium erupted\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014in applause. And of course, I took away what the press would have loved to have had a line\u2014to have completely lined us all up and shot us, in the papers, the next day\u2014but it ended up being a great time. God used Promise Keepers. In fact, is still using Promise Keepers, I believe, through guys like you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s exactly it. I mean, we are a result\u2014as are <em>many<\/em> ministries like Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014we are a result of what God did\u2014what I would call the phenomenon of Promise Keepers. There is no logical explanation of how that whole thing happened. It was really a God-sized phenomenon. And yet, a ministry like ours is a result of what God did. It just\u2014now, you have these outgrowths. Really, at last count, I had 43 different ministries that had sprouted out of the Promise Keeper movement. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And PK is still going today, too? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. They are still there. It is a different thing. It\u2019s downsized and not like it was. It\u2019s not that big gorilla; but really, the big gorilla part of Promise Keepers is the 43 ministries that came out of it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, I would agree with you. Explain to our listeners what the\u2014really, the goal of Iron Sharpens Iron is. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, very clear\u2014Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014our goal is to help the church. Now, from a customer stand point, our customer is the church. We want to help the church train men for spiritual leadership\u2014starting in the home, then in the church, and then the community. So, although the most visible thing we do is a platform of a conference. Really, that\u2019s just the platform. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we <em>want<\/em> to do is we want to help local churches succeed in reaching and engaging men and really discipling men, with others in mind\u2014not just the healthy men\u2014not just so that Dennis Rainey can walk with God for a lifetime\u2014but for Barbara Rainey, for your children, and for you grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSee, our vision is very clear. Really, one of the biggest challenges we have, as a ministry, is casting this vision and trusting God that it would land with church leaders\u2014that when you build into men, everybody wins. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. What really gripped you, originally, about the men\u2019s movement? Why did you\u2014why have you given your\u2014really, your adult life to this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You know, there were a couple things that happened. I worked through the Navigators a few years\u2014came to Christ through the Navigators, worked for them\u2014was on a submarine base, in the early \u201880\u2019s, working with enlisted guys and saw the camaraderie of mission-minded men in the name of Christ\u2014just <em>incredible<\/em> the commitment level that came with these enlisted sailors who were going to take the world for Jesus. Literally, many of them went to different parts of the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Later, got married, got in the workplace again. Barbara and I would actually volunteer for <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and FamilyLife. We\u2019d keep doing stuff, and we realized that\u2014I realized that the women really wanted this stuff. The men were kind of, \u201cEh, I\u2019m doing okay.\u201d We even would do the <em>HomeBuilders<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> things. I would see guys who were somewhat disengaged and women who were engaged. It was frustrating to me. It was a little bit perplexing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLater, this kind of set me up for the Promise Keeper thing\u2014wasn\u2019t looking for Promise Keepers. Promise Keepers\u2014from Connecticut\u2014sounded like a Christian party\u2014a big barbeque. [Laughter] I really had no interest in that. I wanted to disciple <em>men<\/em>. A friend that I trusted, though, brought me out. We went out to Colorado. We met the staff. They were outstanding people.\u00a0 We went to a conference. It was amazing! I mean, I felt like: \u201cThis is masculine context. How do I get this\u2014back to Connecticut?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I began to get involved with PK, it was with the idea that if you build into men, it\u2019s really\u2014there are others who are going to benefit. Well, my passion is not just healthy men. My passion is really family. See, if we build into men, with others in mind\u2014that means\u2014you know, God has opened the hearts of men for the people that a man loves the most. You know\u2014whether it\u2019s you, or Bob, or me\u2014there are people that we love more than others. It starts with the people that we live with. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the privileges of kind of revisiting those moments, back with Promise Keepers, was that there were a number of messages given throughout the day. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was a Friday night, all day Saturday in these stadiums, where tens of thousands of guys would come. There was a message on the Gospel. There were messages on how to live the Christian life in the workplace\u2014and use your place of business as an outreach for Christ\u2014racial reconciliation; but the message they gave me, I thought, was the sweet spot of where those men were\u2014in terms of practically and immediately applying what the Scripture teaches\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because they allowed me to speak on marriage and family and how a man can apply the Bible, immediately, in their relationship with their wives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. There\u2014as I remember, there were seven promises. Marriage and family was one of the seven. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Number four, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But that was the one of the seven\u2014guys were paying attention to all seven, but that one\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014their ears perked up. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This goes back to the days when we had pay phones\u2014but after the message or during the message, in those stadiums, there were lines of men\u2014remember this? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, definitely remember it! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014who went to the pay phones to call their wives\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014and ask them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> They were acting on it, immediately. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to forgive them for their attitude and how they had behaved. In many cases, Brian, it wasn\u2019t just a one shot in a one weekend experience. Those guys did ask their wives to forgive them; and they went back, as different men\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to their marriages and families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> For me\u2014as a Navigator, as a Promise Keeper\u2014we put together this thing called Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014which is taking some of the best stuff that we\u2019re talking about from the Promise Keeper era\u2014this exhortation, this male context\u2014then, we take a little bit of my background and my passion, which is training and discipling. We craft it together and put together something so that we begin and end a day\u2014you guys have been there\u2014with an exhortative calling men out. Men need to be <em>called out<\/em>. This is part of masculine context. But, you can\u2019t call men out and not help them execute what you\u2019re calling them out to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> So, a big part of what we do, at our conferences, is training. We have 16 different training seminars\u2014where every single man who comes\u2014whether you\u2019re 13 or whether you\u2019re an experienced grandfather\u2014we want to have something that\u2019s tangible for you. We want to have something so that you know how to connect the dots between good intention and good execution. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think I saw\u2014am I right?\u201440-plus events. Or is it more than that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, it\u2019s 65 this year. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Wow! Sixty-five events\u2014and these will range in size from maybe a couple hundred guys getting together to a couple of thousand guys; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. You are going to find nowadays\u2014of course, we started in the northeast, where the thousands are. Believe it or not, in the northeast, there are thousands. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s amazing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> But now, it\u2019s happening in different parts of the country. Yes. What we need is critical mass. See, this is, again, part of the Promise Keeper lesson. You need men together. You need to fill whatever you have\u2014whether it\u2019s a sanctuary, an arena, or a stadium\u2014you need to fill it so there is this critical mass. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCritical mass is part of God showing up in a man\u2019s life, where he will let his guard down; and he\u2019ll hear from God. He\u2019ll hear from the Word of God, the Spirit of God. But if you don\u2019t have critical mass\u2014I mean, worship is part of this experience. My initial memory of the Promise Keeper era\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014is Boulder Stadium\u2014\u201cHoly, holy, holy\u2026.\u201d at six p.m. on a Friday. The rest of the day\u2014I have no idea what happened. I don\u2019t remember what happened the next day; but I remember thinking: \u201cWhatever just happened, I\u2019ve got to figure that thing out. I\u2019ve got to bring this back home with me.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I love women\u2019s voices, but there is something about\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> About men singing, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u20142,000 men, 3,000 men\u2014takes me back to the days at Dallas Theological Seminary in Chapel\u2014when you had men singing those great hymns of the faith, knocking it out, on their feet. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, you know, what we\u2019ve found is that for the most part\u2014and this is a hard thing to be a worship leader in a church on Sunday morning\u2014old and young, men and women, different maturities. But when we come together at a men\u2019s conference, it is much easier. You pick songs. We\u2019ve got 30 songs we give worship leaders, \u201cYou pick of these songs you want,\u201d\u201430 songs that work for men, at a certain octave\u2014songs of war\u2014songs like <em>A Mighty Fortress is our God<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> <em>Holy, Holy, Holy<\/em>\u2014sing to the Lord, sing to the King. So, they\u2019re songs that resonate with a man\u2019s spirit because it\u2019s important that a man\u2019s emotions get engaged when he worships. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Talk about why that\u2019s so important for a guy to get emotionally engaged because a lot of guys are like: \u201cI don\u2019t want to go there. They are going to manipulate me; or I just rather keep it up, here, in the head.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying the head. It\u2019s head versus heart. When you get guys worshiping Almighty God, their heart begins to get engaged. They begin\u2014that\u2019s part of the Lordship of Christ\u2014being under the Lordship of Christ means that you\u2019re surrendering. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m at conferences, and guys are surrendering. Guys are doing things with their hands, and their body, and their posture that they would never get the opportunity to do. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> So, we\u2019ve got to create a safe place where men can get connected to Almighty God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not either\/or. It\u2019s both\/ and. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is both the head and the heart. I know you have a passion about this because this is what it\u2019s all about. It\u2019s about discipleship. It\u2019s about viral, spiritual multiplication. You\u2019ve had a privilege of seeing how God has used the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122 <\/sup>video series with men because that\u2019s a passion of ours\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014here, at FamilyLife. We want to put this tool in the hands of guys\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014not just pastors, but laymen who are in businesses, and neighborhoods, in churches, in communities\u2014who can make a statement to their community. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m about to go speak in a smaller town in Alabama\u2014a number of churches that have joined together\u2014but it\u2019s all been done by laymen. They\u2019ve pulled it together because they have a passion for their community. Talk about what you\u2019ve seen and how God has used <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014the video series\u2014to impact men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Well, it does really resonate with the head\/heart thing because when you think about all the different aspects of discipleship\u2014you think about what we do in a church or even out of church\u2014whether it is the workplace or other places\u2014a man is\u2014the people that he loves most, he wants to succeed. He wants this significance that comes from that legacy. He knows that he has primary responsibility for building into his family. Yet, he is completely ill-equipped for this job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe idea of men in the 21<sup>st<\/sup> century is that we live in a professional environment, where we write checks to people. I call it a general-contractor mentality. Most likely, you\u2019ve got people helping you in church life, people helping you in the schools, people helping you with music with your kids, coaches. You\u2019re delegating, delegating, delegating. You\u2019re in charge, but you\u2019re delegating. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of sub-contractors there, yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> A lot of sub-contractors. You\u2019re technically in charge because you are overseeing the whole operation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And a man doesn\u2019t want to look unprofessional. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, many times, he shrinks back when we call him to step up, and step out, and lead a group of men. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> And he\u2014they\u2019re not ready for that. I mean: \u201cI don\u2019t have training in that. I have my expertise. I know what it is to have expertise because people pay me to do something Monday through Friday.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u201cWhat you\u2019re asking me to do, I\u2019m not trained in. I\u2019ve not got schooled in it. No one has built into me. I don\u2019t know how to get there.\u201d But this is what\u2019s exciting about church life\u2014is that we\u2019re helping churches to purposely build into men, with others in mind. <br><br>See, men want to do well at home. That\u2019s why they pick churches with exceptional youth ministry, exceptional children\u2019s ministry, maybe, exceptional women\u2019s ministry because they love their family and they want their family to grow in Christ. So, they go and they bring them to church, drop them off, and say, \u201cI hope it all works out.\u201d We\u2019re calling churches, now, not to give up on that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014but to begin to also build into<em> that<\/em> man\u2014whether he is a father, grandfather, or husband\u2014so that he can be a portal toward growth in Christ for his wife and kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Brian, the 65-plus events that Iron Sharpens Iron is doing, across the country, this year\u2014you really want that day to be catalytic. If it is not a launching point\u2014if it\u2019s seen as the end in itself\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014you walk away going, \u201cThat didn\u2019t work.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, that\u2019s my greatest fear. I say, at any event I go to\u2014because I\u2019m up front. I\u2019m on the platform. I say: \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy greatest fear is that this would be an isolated event. So, here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to do today. This is an equipping conference. It\u2019s got three components. Number one, it\u2019s got exhortation. We\u2019re going to have an exhortative, calling you out time. We\u2019re going to have training in equipping. We\u2019re going to have 16 different seminars where you can pick what you want to go to. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s not going to be about being a spouse\u2014it\u2019s about being a husband. It\u2019s not going to be about being a parent\u2014it\u2019s about being a dad. It\u2019s not about general struggles\u2014it\u2019s about the struggles that are specific to men\u2014whatever it might be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, we have resources because today you\u2019ve got to get the tools that will move you from intention to execution. You\u2019re going to get tools today to help you grow in Christ, as a man\u2014as an individual\u2014Bible study resources, whatever it might be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re going to give you tools that help you grow in your relationship with your wife\u2014to pray with your wife, to build into her. We\u2019re going to give you resources, as a dad, and as a granddad. We\u2019re going to give you resources to be a man, who is a leader in the church and the community. But you\u2019ve got to get these resources or else this event will stop at 4:55, and it will not produce the fruit that God intended. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We want to put those resources in the hands of spiritual multipliers. You\u2019ve got some great guys, who fill the podium and the pulpit. Tony Evans just did one recently with Jeff Kemp\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes, exactly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014I know, on the East coast. Who are some of the other speakers that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Crawford Loritts\u2014obviously, one of your friends\u2014his son, Bryan\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> \u2014Voddie Baucham, which, of course, is one of your friends. My job is to find guys that aren\u2019t just wonderful, articulate communicators, who love God and love God\u2019s Word, but who have a deep burden, that God has placed on their life, to build into men\u2014not to fix men\u2014that\u2019s not what we\u2019re looking for. I\u2019m looking for guys who see through you and see your children, your grandchildren, your great grandchildren\u2014a Psalm 78-type of guy who knows, \u201cWhen I build into you, the adjustments that a man makes can be felt for generations to come.\u201d That\u2019s who we want on the platform at our conference. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Psalm 78 talks about, really, older men passing on the truth about God and their experience of God\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014to the next generation because we are in a generational relay race. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> I tell guys, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to tell the story, whether it\u2019s Joshua 24\u2014whatever. You\u2019ve got to tell the story about Peter and Paul, about Joshua and Moses; but you\u2019ve got to tell your own story, as well.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> My kids long to hear my story\u2014\u201cHow did I come to faith?\u201d\u2014my wife\u2019s story: \u201cHow did we meet? How did God bring us together?\u201d Then, they\u2019ll say, \u201cCould you tell us that story again, Dad?\u201d I\u2019ll go, \u201cWell, didn\u2019t I just tell it to you?\u201d \u201cYes, would you tell it again?\u201d \u201cOkay.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And those stories get passed down. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, those stories\u2014I mean\u2014whether through journal, or photography, or whether it\u2019s verbal\u2014that\u2019s a big part of our life\u2014is to make sure we\u2019re passing on those stories to the next generation. Again, that\u2019s Psalm 78. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, I want to encourage the men who are listening\u2014and for that matter, the wives and the women who, perhaps, are dating some single guys\u2014to get your man to one of these Iron Sharpens Iron events because they really are transformative. When you send your husband, or your boyfriend, or your son to this event, you\u2019re not just sending them to experience a rah-rah cheerleader-type of thing. Now, there is some real meat passed on and some serious challenges; but most importantly, they\u2019re given some marching orders, from a generational standpoint. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the guys don\u2019t have to wait to be sent; do they? I mean, they can do this on their own initiative. They can take responsibility for themselves. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think so. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just want to make sure that\u2019s okay. You would endorse that? If there are guys listening\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m all about initiative. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014they can go to FamilyLifeToday.com. They can click the link there to find out more about Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014where it\u2019s being held in cities, all across the country\u2014and get some other guys to go with you and spend a day getting pointed in the right direction. Then, use that day as a springboard to go deeper, as a guy. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And one other thing I\u2019d say\u2014because I know Brian\u2019s heart\u2014his desire is that this be tied to a local church\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014somehow, someway. For your group\u2014ideally\u2014now, you might bring some guys who aren\u2019t followers of Christ today\u2014maybe, on the fringes and just in need of some encouragement. But if possible, try to come connected, on the front end, to your local church because when you go back, that\u2019s going to make all the difference in the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Brian:<\/strong> You know, it\u2019s not just about content. If it was about content, I would just send guys CD\u2019s and books. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> It\u2019s about processing that content with one another. Have you noticed what we call this ministry? Guys call me, \u201cSo, what\u2019s the theme?\u201d \u201cWell, the theme is Iron Sharpens Iron.\u201d \u201cYes, but that was the theme last year. What\u2019s the theme this year?\u201d \u201cWell, the theme is Iron Sharpens Iron <em>because<\/em> we\u2019re building, and affirming, and encouraging one another.\u201d It\u2019s not just about content. It\u2019s about processing life and the Scriptures together. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWomen are growing in Christ, automatically, because they are in relationships. They are prone to\u2014God\u2019s wired them that way. And men, because our nature is to be a little bit, \u201cTake our own deal,\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A little? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> You think so? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> A little? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Brian:<\/strong> self-sufficient, self-reliant, stand on our own two feet\u2014\u201cI\u2019m okay; you\u2019re okay, I\u2019m fine; you\u2019re fine.\u201d So, we\u2019ve got to be more intentional in processing life together. The men\u2019s conference is just an opportunity to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I just wish Brian was a little more passionate about this; don\u2019t you? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I do, too. I do, too. I believe in this ministry, though, and am excited about men going to it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and again, if you go to FamilyLifeToday.com, there is a link there that will get you more information about Iron Sharpens Iron\u2014where events are being held, all across the country, in the months ahead. Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com, click on the link for \u201cIron Sharpens Iron\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGet more information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series that FamilyLife has created, as well. We\u2019ve designed this to build into the lives of men\u2014help strengthen and equip them to be the men that God has called them to be. A lot of guys have started going through this either with their men\u2019s group from church or on your own. In fact, you could get the kit and get a group of guys together\u2014this summer\u2014meet once a week, and knock this thing out, and have a great time building some relationships and understand your assignment, as a man, even better. Or this is also something your church could go through, starting in the fall. If you need more information about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series or the one-day <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention that we are making available, this week, copies of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. We\u2019re sending it out to you free. All we\u2019re asking is that you cover the cost of postage and handling. We\u2019ll send you the book; and we will include, along with it, a sampler DVD that has Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event. That gives you an idea of what is included in this series and the quality of the video. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and ask for a copy of Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. The book and the DVD sampler\u2014we\u2019ll send them out to you, free, if you\u2019ll cover the cost of postage and handling. You can also order by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY, 1-800-358-6329, 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, I also want to say a quick word of thanks to those of you who make this program possible. That would be those of you who are regular contributors to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014Legacy Partners, those of you who contribute monthly. We appreciate you. And we also are grateful for those of you who, from time to time, will check in with us and make a contribution. Oftentimes, we hear from folks who are just affirming that God is using this ministry in some way in their lives; and they call to make a donation. We appreciate your support of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis month, we\u2019d like to say, \u201cThank you for your donation,\u201d by sending you a copy of a message from Dennis Rainey\u2014a message delivered, a few years back, to a group of guys\u2014all about how a dad can be a protector for his children as he connects with them, heart to heart. When you make a donation, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. We\u2019ll send out a copy of the CD from Dennis. Or call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make your donation over the phone, and ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey. Again, we\u2019re happy to send it to you. We\u2019re grateful for you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd be sure to be back with us again tomorrow. We\u2019re going to hear some challenges from Dennis on husbands stepping up to be the husbands that God has called us to be. We\u2019ll hear a powerful message from Dennis Rainey tomorrow. Hope you can join us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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