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Here\u2019s author, Tim Grissom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Men are not going to be any more honest and transparent with you than you are with them. So, you take the risk first. You be willing to share areas of life where you struggle, or where you have failed, or lessons that God has taught you, along the way. More likely than not, that will open their hearts to you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk today about the power that comes when men lock arms and step up. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just curious. I wonder if our guests remember the first time they heard you challenging men to step up\u2014the first time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s ask them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014they got the message; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s ask them. Tim Grissom and John Majors join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Guys, welcome back. You guys are gluttons for punishment\u2014came back for a second day. [Laughter] You know both Bob and me. You work here\u2014work, here, at FamilyLife, for a number of years. You came back! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You just opened the door for all kinds of comments\u2014[Laughter] \u2014very gluttonous. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back to Bob\u2019s question. What do you think? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you remember? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, having worked as Dennis\u2019s assistant, I got the message in a lot of ways, literally, and in our conversations. [Laughter] I mean, I listened to the transcripts, passed on the tape to a number of other people. So, I\u2019ve heard it early and often. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, go back to that time when you were Dennis\u2019s assistant. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. Now, Bob is fishing for dirt. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What lesson\u2014if you had to say, \u201cThe major lesson I took away from\u201d\u2014and how long were you Dennis\u2019s assistant? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Two\u2014two and a half years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay. And you were newly-married? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No kids? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He went on to have three kids. So, I didn\u2019t damage him in his opinion of kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Not too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was the major take-away that happened over two and a half years of working directly with Dennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I think the best lesson\u2014and it comes out in some of the material we wrote, here, on taking initiative\u2014ties into the stories, too, that Weber tells of the scout\u2014the man who goes out ahead of the wagon train\u2014and he finds the problem before anybody else even knows about it. He takes care of it before anyone ever even knew it existed, and no one ever even knows he did that. And Dennis, that\u2019s really your job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is to be a scout. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. That\u2019s been <em>huge<\/em> in my life\u2014in my marriage, with my children\u2014to think: \u201cI\u2019ve got to get out ahead of the game. I can\u2019t just respond. If I\u2019m in response mode, I\u2019m in trouble. I\u2019ve got to think out ahead.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if you\u2019re passive\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> And if you\u2019re passive\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014you\u2019re dead meat\u2014if you\u2019re passive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You just need to know\u2014Dennis and I were talking, yesterday, about a young man being an assistant for him. Dennis said to me: \u201cYou know, the major thing one of these young men has got to under\u2014whoever it is\u2014they\u2019ve got to understand you\u2019ve got to <em>anticipate<\/em> the issue. Don\u2019t wait for it to happen.\u201d Why is that such a big deal? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> From my own life, I realized that nothing comes to the man who waits. That\u2019s exactly what comes to him. If you wait, you do nothing\u2014if you\u2019re passive. Now, I\u2019m not talking about waiting on God. That\u2019s active. To truly wait on God and to be patient in prayer, that\u2019s an act of faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to be passive\u2014and sit back and let someone else serve you, let someone else hold the door open for the woman, let someone else help the lady across the street, let someone else warn your kids about the dangers that are ahead in adolescence, to let someone else to have to look out for the physical needs or the spiritual needs of your family, for goodness sakes\u2014and there are a lot of guys who are doing that today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just concerned, personally, that we have a crop of younger men today who, in their late teens and early twenties, are learning to be passive and to do nothing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when guys are getting together and going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> video series\u2014the series that we created\u2014that\u2019s a ten-part series for men\u2014you get together, you watch about a 30-minute video; and then, you break into groups, and you through the workbook. Session Six is all about taking initiative. I think we start that session with a couple of guys who were firefighters and EMT\u2019s at the World Trade Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>John, as you were working on the workbook for what guys were going to talk about after that session\u2014having been through the \u201cSchool of Rainey\u201d training on the importance of taking initiative\u2014what kind of questions did you include for guys to interact over? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s also the session where we highlight Bonheoffer\u2019s life\u2014Dietrich Bonheoffer\u2014and to see him take initiative and stand firm in the midst of the onslaught that was occurring in Nazi Germany. That was a big moment in history that most men won\u2019t face. But it started with him, every day, having to make decisions to stand firm against all the little compromises you were asked to do. <br><br>So, what we were hoping to get a guy to process was, \u201cHow do I take initiative, in little ways, where I\u2019m tempted to slip into apathy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to learn how to do it in the day-to-day, little things, or you\u2019ll cave when the big stuff comes along; won\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tim, this section on guys taking initiative was something that you have a lot of passion about; but let me back up and ask you, \u201cDo you remember the first time you heard Dennis challenging guys to step up?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> The first time I heard it was actually a recorded message. We had started working on a manuscript for the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. So, I listened to a couple of different versions of the message\u2014where Dennis had preached that\u2014and read a couple of different manuscripts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And what struck you about the message when you heard it the first time? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think the thing that struck me is\u2014and Dennis will probably recall this. I pushed, for a long time, for him to title the book, \u201cThe Intentional Man\u201d, because the thing that struck me the most about just the way that Dennis approaches life is being intentional about it rather than reacting to the things that happen to you\u2014get out ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, you see him as an intentional kind of guy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I\u2014in so very many ways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob, you\u2019re making fun of me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mr. Intentional? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Intentional for you and for me, I have discovered. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have to tell you about a group of young people that were led by Westley Eyster. Now, this is a young man who is about 16 years old. He, along with six other teenage young men, went through the preview session of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. They went through all ten sessions. Over the period of ten weeks, it grew from about seven guys to more than a dozen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, they were calling their buddies, at night, saying, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to come in the morning for this.\u201d <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They were increasing in their number. Well, they decided they wanted to be in on the launch of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event, which was on Super Saturday\u2014the same weekend as the Super Bowl. They called themselves\u2014these seven guys\u2014\u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d. Now, you may wonder, \u201cWhy did they call themselves \u2018The Roof Crashers\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, remember in the New Testament, when there was a paralytic who was let down through the roof, by his buddies, to get him in touch with the Savior\u2014the one that they knew could bring help and hope to him and his condition? These young men wanted to get their buddies in front of Christ. They had over 50 young men and <em>men<\/em>\u2014by the way\u2014in their group\u2014being \u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Wow, that\u2019s great. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I was so impressed by these guys. I created a trophy for them. I couldn\u2019t quite afford seven trophies. So, they have to cycle it around all of them; but it\u2019s a trophy that had a wooden base and, then, two sneakers on top of the wooden base\u2014kind of hiking tennis shoes. I honored \u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d for their courage, their faith, and their initiative. Back to this point, they took the initiative to get their buddies in front of Christ; and it made a difference in a lot of men\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the things that Bill Bennett\u2014former Secretary of Education, former Drug tsar, who appears in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series\u2014one of the things he says is that taking responsibility for life is at the heart of what real manhood is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we\u2019re talking about taking initiative\u2014it\u2019s more than taking responsibility. It\u2019s <em>proactively<\/em> taking responsibility. It\u2019s anticipating what\u2019s coming. That really ties to another theme, which is the whole idea of planning ahead and providing. John, talk a little bit about that session and what we\u2019re trying to do in that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Part of the design of this whole series\u2014which ties into this group of college students\u2014was giving guys a tool that they could use to do ministry. When you call a guy to be courageous\u2014again, it\u2019s easy to ask him to go do something that\u2019s manly and exciting\u2014but you ask him to step into leading his family\u2014I mean\u2014you want to talk about real fear occurs. [Laughter] I had breakfast with a guy this morning. He said, \u201cHow do I lead my family well because I\u2019m not doing it well and it\u2019s scary?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> So, we wanted to create a tool that would give a guy an opportunity to do ministry with other men and to make it as easy as possible. He doesn\u2019t have to wait for the church to have some big program\u2014big event. It can multiply on its own. And the stories you\u2019ve told already\u2014you\u2019re showing that, in so many ways, that we\u2019re doing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when it comes to planning ahead and providing, we want a guy to\u2014not only think about his own life\u2014but to think of others and, \u201cHow do I engage and help them plan ahead and provide?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So many guys would hear about doing ministry on your own. They would think: \u201cI am not up for that. I mean, somebody is going to ask a question; or they\u2019re going to find out about the real me and go, \u2018What are you doing leading this study in the first place?\u2019\u201d Tim, how does a guy deal with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think that we define ministry very simply as friendship. If you know how to be a friend, you know how to minister to people. In this case, I would say men are not going to be any more honest and transparent with you than you are with them. So, you take the risk first. You be willing to share areas of life where you\u2019ve struggled, or where you have failed, or lessons that God has taught you, along the way. More likely than not, that will open their hearts to you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, there was clip in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series that actually didn\u2019t make it into the video\u2014was one of the things that got edited out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, you happen to know about this, Bob, because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because I was there helping to make the call on what got in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob shot more than 100 videos\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014that comprised this series. Really, several of them didn\u2019t make the cut because they weren\u2019t quite on message or weren\u2019t good enough because we wanted this to be an <em>outstanding<\/em> video series. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We sat down and did interviews with guys like Matt Chandler, and Robert Lewis, and Stu Weber, and Crawford Loritts, and Voddie Baucham. And I remember sitting down with James MacDonald, the pastor in Chicago. We were talking about manhood. What I learned, in the interview, is that he did his doctoral thesis on the verse in James that says, \u201cConfess your sins one to another, and you\u2019ll be healed.\u201d He applied that verse to men\u2019s ministry. He said, \u201cI believe that, at the heart of men really getting engaged, there has got to be this opportunity for transparency and for confession.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things he said\u2014and again, this didn\u2019t make it into the series. It really didn\u2019t fit, but it stuck with me. He said, \u201cIf you\u2019re in a group setting, or one-on-one with a guy, and a guy talks about an area where there has been a struggle or he talks about an area where he\u2019s threatened or feels challenged\u201d\u2014James MacDonald said, \u201cYou\u2019d better\u2014the next thing that comes out of your mouth better be you talking about an area where you struggle, too, so that that guy knows he\u2019s in friendly territory.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you say: \u201cMan, that\u2019s tough for you. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s hard for you,\u201d he\u2019s done! He\u2019s never going to share anything else with you because you\u2019re not a guy he can relate to. He said that confessing of our sins one to another\u2014for you to step up and say, \u201cYou know, let me tell you how I\u2019ve struggled in that area,\u201d and just laying it out. He said, \u201cThat\u2019s <em>critical<\/em> if you want that dynamic to thrive.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a group of guys, in another part of the country, who went through this\u2014I think it was about 70\u2014and they met at church. That was the best location for that to occur. They got one of the first ten-part series that we created. I know because I shipped it out to my buddy who helped lead the group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget. Right after it finished, he called me up and said: \u201cHey, Dennis, I\u2019ve got to tell you that I just got back from church. One of the guys who attended our ten-week study was just baptized Sunday morning.\u201d He\u2019d come to this gathering of men\u2014 kind of curious, kind of stand-offish about Christianity\u2014had listened, had engaged. In the process of doing what you guys had crafted, here, in the book, he believed. He had embraced it. So much so that he gave his life to Jesus Christ and wanted to proclaim it publicly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you went on a hunting trip with a group of guys, several months ago, and went through some of these sessions with them; didn\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, I did. It was fun afterwards to hear how some of the guys used it. One of the guys is a big hunter. He had another hunting trip\u2014that he took his sons on and, also, a young man who was dating his daughter. He said, \u201cWe just set up a little computer, there in the car, popped the DVD\u2019s in the computer, watched the screen, and formed a small group with my two sons and a young man who was dating my daughter.\u201d He said, \u201cOn the way there, we went through four sessions. On the way back, we went through another four.\u201d He said, \u201cWe didn\u2019t get through all ten.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad the driver had already seen these. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there you go. But he took what would normally be down time, and he used it to create meaningful discussion around a group of young men, all under the age of 21. I\u2019m going to tell you something. There is a tremendous need today for younger men like that to be connected to an older man, who is not afraid to share with them his own story and the journey he has been on. Most of those stories are going to include failures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just share with you what one guy said\u2014who went through this entire ten-week series. He said: \u201cThe reason why I began studying in this series was because my son, who is now 17, was involved in a gang. I feared for his life. His rebellious actions were a result of me not being a good man and selfishly walking out on him and his mom when he was only four years old. Unfortunately, I have realized the damage I have caused to his life\u2014for not stepping up and doing my duty, as a father and a husband. I lost my first marriage and the love and respect of my son\u2014for making the wrong decision.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, Dennis, as you read that, I think about some of those pre-planning meetings we had. Tim, I remember your heart for guys like this and wanting to make sure that this is a series that didn\u2019t paint an idealized picture of manhood\u2014that a guy like this would look at and go, \u201cI\u2019m so far from what you\u2019re putting up on the screen that I\u2019m hopeless.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I thought, even as Dennis was reading that, \u201cThat <em>is<\/em> a courageous man\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbecause he\u2019s accepting responsibility for the bad decisions that he has made in the past; but he\u2019s not surrendering. He\u2019s not giving in. He is running, now, to God and toward the responsibility.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of us are broken. All of us have fallen. We <em>all<\/em> sin. And you\u2019re exactly right, Bob. I wanted every man to feel like this is a study where they could enter, at any point in their life, no matter how broken they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think that the average guy, who is coming to this series, is probably not feeling confident that he\u2019s doing a decent job\u2014not perfect but doing a pretty good job as a husband, father, as a man\u2014but instead, he\u2019s painfully aware of a lot of his own inadequacies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. Yes, I think that most men\u2014and probably all men\u2014are aware of the fact that they are broken and they are falling short. They just don\u2019t know where to go or what to do about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And every man has got a story that in his\u2014really, in his inner being\u2014he would love for another man to hear, and he\u2019d like to share it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGenerally, what I\u2019ve found in these groups\u2014guys come, saying: \u201cYou know, I don\u2019t know how much I\u2019ll talk. I don\u2019t know how much I\u2019ll share, but I\u2019ve got a group of guys that I\u2019ve gone hunting with over the past ten years\u201d\u2014and all you need to do is ask one good question. I mean, you\u2019ve got men sharing because, as the group goes on, it gets safer, and safer, and safer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you get grown men talking about something that happened to them as a boy, growing up\u2014where they were damaged or hurt deeply\u2014or a big mistake they made as a young husband, in terms of maybe a betrayal that they performed\u2014those kinds of things not only cause transparency but they invite others into your life, who do identify with that brokenness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John, there are like four, or five, or six questions after each video series. When guys huddle up, there are a number of questions that get asked. I\u2019m guessing a lot of these groups are getting through two\u2014maybe, one of the questions. I mean, to Dennis\u2019s point\u2014you ask a good question, and guys get engaged. You may never get to the other four of five questions. That\u2019s okay; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, it is. Hopefully, depending on the group\u2014I mean\u2014some groups have big talkers; some don\u2019t. So, we\u2019ve designed it so that if your group doesn\u2019t have big talkers; hopefully, there are enough questions to get you through. But yes, it is okay if not everybody talks; but it is okay if you don\u2019t get through much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, think about\u2014for a moment. Where can men go to get real, get honest, and talk authentically about where they struggle, as a man, and how they can improve, how they can make progress, how they can grow? Name it. Name the place. I\u2019ll tell you where it is. It\u2019s a bar. That\u2019s where they go! They go to\u2014perhaps, get a little tipsy\u2014which finally gives them the courage to get real and get honest with someone they don\u2019t even know. That\u2019s kind of symbolic of a safe place, in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting. I was talking to a friend, recently, who was starting to develop this idea for a ministry of bartenders for Jesus. I mean, people who\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Seriously? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. He\u2019s thinking: \u201cLet\u2019s go in. As soon as guys have had a few drinks and start talking, you can be there. You could just witness to them.\u201d I said: \u201cI don\u2019t know how long the bar would stay open. [Laughter] I don\u2019t know how long the owner would keep you employed.\u201d But\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Might do quite well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but you do understand the need that guys have to be able to be transparent, to be honest about what\u2019s going on in their lives, and have another guy look at them and say, \u201cI\u2019ve been where you are, and there is hope and there is help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know what we do at the <em>Weekend to Remembe<\/em>r<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Bob. We have a theme that oneness is what God calls us to in marriage; but if the enemy can get a husband and a wife isolated, he can destroy that marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I\u2019m going to tell you something. The same thing is true for man\u2014whether it be a young man, growing up in his adolescent years\u2014a young man in college\u2014a young man in his twenties, thirties\u2014married men, who are isolated, can be convinced of anything. They can get off on the wrong track, and they can make some serious mistakes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you guys have done, in putting together this workbook that goes with the ten-part DVD series, is you\u2019ve guided men in how to get real, get honest, get authentic with a group of others; and hopefully, get some encouragement, along the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and it\u2019s pretty cool what our team has done, here, too\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Bob, before you do that, let me just let our listeners know that I have not forgotten about John Majors\u2014in need of answering my question, \u201cWhat is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The question of courage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019ll give John a minute or more to think about that while I let listeners know about something very special our team is offering this week. If you\u2019d like to get a copy of Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>, we\u2019re shipping it out to anybody who requests it. If you\u2019ll just cover the cost of shipping and handling, we\u2019ll send you a copy of the book. We\u2019re going to include, with it, a DVD that features Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGives you a preview of what\u2019s included in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014and gives you a chance to review the material and consider whether this is something you\u2019d like to go through\u2014with a group of your friends\u2014or something you might want to recommend that the men\u2019s group, at your church, go through together. In any case, whether you use the DVD and the curriculum or not, you\u2019ll get a copy of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of postage and handling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request the book or to find out more about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number\u20141-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. Ask about Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, when you get in touch with us\u2014how you can get a free copy. Again, we\u2019ll send it out to you if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of postage and handling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Let me also say a quick word of thanks to those of you who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014could not do this without you. We appreciate your financial support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this month, if you\u2019re able to make a donation, we\u2019d like to send you a thank-you gift\u2014a message from Dennis about dads and their kids\u2014how a dad can be engaged, heart to heart, with his sons and his daughters\u2014particularly, during some of the tough teen years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll send out that CD when you make an online donation at FamilyLifeToday.com. Just go there and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make your online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone; and again, ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey when you get in touch with us. We\u2019re happy to send it out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, John thought he was off the hook, Bob; but he wasn\u2019t. [Laughter] John Majors, good man, here at FamilyLife. Both, he and Tim Grissom, serve well and serve with excellence. Thank you, guys, for being on the broadcast. But earlier, Tim shared his most courageous thing he\u2019s ever done. John, what\u2019s the most courageous thing for you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> For me, the most courageous thing I\u2019ve done was probably get up this morning, feed our three-month-old boy, so my wife could sleep in a little longer when I didn\u2019t want to. I think, for me, it\u2019s the little things, day-in and day-out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t have this life-defining, courageous decision; but it is a series of decisions to be faithful in the little things\u2014to turn away from sin, to turn towards the cross. I think that sums up courage, in my life, which I think, as Tim and I talked about it\u2014it\u2019s good to have that perspective, as we were writing this workbook. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome guys have this huge, courageous moment and some\u2014as you\u2019ve said\u2014go, \u201cI\u2019ve never done anything courageous,\u201d but courage is required in all the little things, just as much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is. And in this culture, it does take a real man, being courageous, to be a husband and a father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><em> FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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Here\u2019s author, Tim Grissom. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Men are not going to be any more honest and transparent with you than you are with them. So, you take the risk first. You be willing to share areas of life where you struggle, or where you have failed, or lessons that God has taught you, along the way. More likely than not, that will open their hearts to you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 11<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk today about the power that comes when men lock arms and step up. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. I\u2019m just curious. I wonder if our guests remember the first time they heard you challenging men to step up\u2014the first time\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s ask them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014they got the message; you know? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Let\u2019s ask them. Tim Grissom and John Majors join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Guys, welcome back. You guys are gluttons for punishment\u2014came back for a second day. [Laughter] You know both Bob and me. You work here\u2014work, here, at FamilyLife, for a number of years. You came back! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> You just opened the door for all kinds of comments\u2014[Laughter] \u2014very gluttonous. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back to Bob\u2019s question. 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And you were newly-married? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No kids? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He went on to have three kids. So, I didn\u2019t damage him in his opinion of kids. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Not too much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was the major take-away that happened over two and a half years of working directly with Dennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> I think the best lesson\u2014and it comes out in some of the material we wrote, here, on taking initiative\u2014ties into the stories, too, that Weber tells of the scout\u2014the man who goes out ahead of the wagon train\u2014and he finds the problem before anybody else even knows about it. He takes care of it before anyone ever even knew it existed, and no one ever even knows he did that. And Dennis, that\u2019s really your job. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is to be a scout. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. That\u2019s been <em>huge<\/em> in my life\u2014in my marriage, with my children\u2014to think: \u201cI\u2019ve got to get out ahead of the game. I can\u2019t just respond. If I\u2019m in response mode, I\u2019m in trouble. 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That\u2019s exactly what comes to him. If you wait, you do nothing\u2014if you\u2019re passive. Now, I\u2019m not talking about waiting on God. That\u2019s active. To truly wait on God and to be patient in prayer, that\u2019s an act of faith. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to be passive\u2014and sit back and let someone else serve you, let someone else hold the door open for the woman, let someone else help the lady across the street, let someone else warn your kids about the dangers that are ahead in adolescence, to let someone else to have to look out for the physical needs or the spiritual needs of your family, for goodness sakes\u2014and there are a lot of guys who are doing that today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m just concerned, personally, that we have a crop of younger men today who, in their late teens and early twenties, are learning to be passive and to do nothing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when guys are getting together and going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup> video series\u2014the series that we created\u2014that\u2019s a ten-part series for men\u2014you get together, you watch about a 30-minute video; and then, you break into groups, and you through the workbook. Session Six is all about taking initiative. I think we start that session with a couple of guys who were firefighters and EMT\u2019s at the World Trade Center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>John, as you were working on the workbook for what guys were going to talk about after that session\u2014having been through the \u201cSchool of Rainey\u201d training on the importance of taking initiative\u2014what kind of questions did you include for guys to interact over? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s also the session where we highlight Bonheoffer\u2019s life\u2014Dietrich Bonheoffer\u2014and to see him take initiative and stand firm in the midst of the onslaught that was occurring in Nazi Germany. That was a big moment in history that most men won\u2019t face. But it started with him, every day, having to make decisions to stand firm against all the little compromises you were asked to do. <br><br>So, what we were hoping to get a guy to process was, \u201cHow do I take initiative, in little ways, where I\u2019m tempted to slip into apathy?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019ve got to learn how to do it in the day-to-day, little things, or you\u2019ll cave when the big stuff comes along; won\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Tim, this section on guys taking initiative was something that you have a lot of passion about; but let me back up and ask you, \u201cDo you remember the first time you heard Dennis challenging guys to step up?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> The first time I heard it was actually a recorded message. We had started working on a manuscript for the book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. So, I listened to a couple of different versions of the message\u2014where Dennis had preached that\u2014and read a couple of different manuscripts. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And what struck you about the message when you heard it the first time? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think the thing that struck me is\u2014and Dennis will probably recall this. I pushed, for a long time, for him to title the book, \u201cThe Intentional Man\u201d, because the thing that struck me the most about just the way that Dennis approaches life is being intentional about it rather than reacting to the things that happen to you\u2014get out ahead. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, you see him as an intentional kind of guy? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I\u2014in so very many ways. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob, you\u2019re making fun of me. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mr. Intentional? [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Intentional for you and for me, I have discovered. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I have to tell you about a group of young people that were led by Westley Eyster. Now, this is a young man who is about 16 years old. He, along with six other teenage young men, went through the preview session of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. They went through all ten sessions. Over the period of ten weeks, it grew from about seven guys to more than a dozen. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, they were calling their buddies, at night, saying, \u201cYou\u2019ve got to come in the morning for this.\u201d <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They were increasing in their number. Well, they decided they wanted to be in on the launch of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event, which was on Super Saturday\u2014the same weekend as the Super Bowl. They called themselves\u2014these seven guys\u2014\u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d. Now, you may wonder, \u201cWhy did they call themselves \u2018The Roof Crashers\u2019?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, remember in the New Testament, when there was a paralytic who was let down through the roof, by his buddies, to get him in touch with the Savior\u2014the one that they knew could bring help and hope to him and his condition? These young men wanted to get their buddies in front of Christ. They had over 50 young men and <em>men<\/em>\u2014by the way\u2014in their group\u2014being \u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Wow, that\u2019s great. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I was so impressed by these guys. I created a trophy for them. I couldn\u2019t quite afford seven trophies. So, they have to cycle it around all of them; but it\u2019s a trophy that had a wooden base and, then, two sneakers on top of the wooden base\u2014kind of hiking tennis shoes. I honored \u201cThe Roof Crashers\u201d for their courage, their faith, and their initiative. Back to this point, they took the initiative to get their buddies in front of Christ; and it made a difference in a lot of men\u2019s lives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the things that Bill Bennett\u2014former Secretary of Education, former Drug tsar, who appears in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series\u2014one of the things he says is that taking responsibility for life is at the heart of what real manhood is all about. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we\u2019re talking about taking initiative\u2014it\u2019s more than taking responsibility. It\u2019s <em>proactively<\/em> taking responsibility. It\u2019s anticipating what\u2019s coming. That really ties to another theme, which is the whole idea of planning ahead and providing. John, talk a little bit about that session and what we\u2019re trying to do in that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Part of the design of this whole series\u2014which ties into this group of college students\u2014was giving guys a tool that they could use to do ministry. When you call a guy to be courageous\u2014again, it\u2019s easy to ask him to go do something that\u2019s manly and exciting\u2014but you ask him to step into leading his family\u2014I mean\u2014you want to talk about real fear occurs. [Laughter] I had breakfast with a guy this morning. He said, \u201cHow do I lead my family well because I\u2019m not doing it well and it\u2019s scary?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> So, we wanted to create a tool that would give a guy an opportunity to do ministry with other men and to make it as easy as possible. He doesn\u2019t have to wait for the church to have some big program\u2014big event. It can multiply on its own. And the stories you\u2019ve told already\u2014you\u2019re showing that, in so many ways, that we\u2019re doing that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when it comes to planning ahead and providing, we want a guy to\u2014not only think about his own life\u2014but to think of others and, \u201cHow do I engage and help them plan ahead and provide?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So many guys would hear about doing ministry on your own. They would think: \u201cI am not up for that. I mean, somebody is going to ask a question; or they\u2019re going to find out about the real me and go, \u2018What are you doing leading this study in the first place?\u2019\u201d Tim, how does a guy deal with that? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think that we define ministry very simply as friendship. If you know how to be a friend, you know how to minister to people. In this case, I would say men are not going to be any more honest and transparent with you than you are with them. So, you take the risk first. You be willing to share areas of life where you\u2019ve struggled, or where you have failed, or lessons that God has taught you, along the way. More likely than not, that will open their hearts to you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, there was clip in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series that actually didn\u2019t make it into the video\u2014was one of the things that got edited out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, you happen to know about this, Bob, because\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Because I was there helping to make the call on what got in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob shot more than 100 videos\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014that comprised this series. Really, several of them didn\u2019t make the cut because they weren\u2019t quite on message or weren\u2019t good enough because we wanted this to be an <em>outstanding<\/em> video series. <br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We sat down and did interviews with guys like Matt Chandler, and Robert Lewis, and Stu Weber, and Crawford Loritts, and Voddie Baucham. And I remember sitting down with James MacDonald, the pastor in Chicago. We were talking about manhood. What I learned, in the interview, is that he did his doctoral thesis on the verse in James that says, \u201cConfess your sins one to another, and you\u2019ll be healed.\u201d He applied that verse to men\u2019s ministry. He said, \u201cI believe that, at the heart of men really getting engaged, there has got to be this opportunity for transparency and for confession.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the things he said\u2014and again, this didn\u2019t make it into the series. It really didn\u2019t fit, but it stuck with me. He said, \u201cIf you\u2019re in a group setting, or one-on-one with a guy, and a guy talks about an area where there has been a struggle or he talks about an area where he\u2019s threatened or feels challenged\u201d\u2014James MacDonald said, \u201cYou\u2019d better\u2014the next thing that comes out of your mouth better be you talking about an area where you struggle, too, so that that guy knows he\u2019s in friendly territory.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you say: \u201cMan, that\u2019s tough for you. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s hard for you,\u201d he\u2019s done! He\u2019s never going to share anything else with you because you\u2019re not a guy he can relate to. He said that confessing of our sins one to another\u2014for you to step up and say, \u201cYou know, let me tell you how I\u2019ve struggled in that area,\u201d and just laying it out. He said, \u201cThat\u2019s <em>critical<\/em> if you want that dynamic to thrive.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a group of guys, in another part of the country, who went through this\u2014I think it was about 70\u2014and they met at church. That was the best location for that to occur. They got one of the first ten-part series that we created. I know because I shipped it out to my buddy who helped lead the group. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget. Right after it finished, he called me up and said: \u201cHey, Dennis, I\u2019ve got to tell you that I just got back from church. One of the guys who attended our ten-week study was just baptized Sunday morning.\u201d He\u2019d come to this gathering of men\u2014 kind of curious, kind of stand-offish about Christianity\u2014had listened, had engaged. In the process of doing what you guys had crafted, here, in the book, he believed. He had embraced it. So much so that he gave his life to Jesus Christ and wanted to proclaim it publicly. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you went on a hunting trip with a group of guys, several months ago, and went through some of these sessions with them; didn\u2019t you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, I did. It was fun afterwards to hear how some of the guys used it. One of the guys is a big hunter. He had another hunting trip\u2014that he took his sons on and, also, a young man who was dating his daughter. He said, \u201cWe just set up a little computer, there in the car, popped the DVD\u2019s in the computer, watched the screen, and formed a small group with my two sons and a young man who was dating my daughter.\u201d He said, \u201cOn the way there, we went through four sessions. On the way back, we went through another four.\u201d He said, \u201cWe didn\u2019t get through all ten.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I\u2019m glad the driver had already seen these. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there you go. But he took what would normally be down time, and he used it to create meaningful discussion around a group of young men, all under the age of 21. I\u2019m going to tell you something. There is a tremendous need today for younger men like that to be connected to an older man, who is not afraid to share with them his own story and the journey he has been on. Most of those stories are going to include failures. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just share with you what one guy said\u2014who went through this entire ten-week series. He said: \u201cThe reason why I began studying in this series was because my son, who is now 17, was involved in a gang. I feared for his life. His rebellious actions were a result of me not being a good man and selfishly walking out on him and his mom when he was only four years old. Unfortunately, I have realized the damage I have caused to his life\u2014for not stepping up and doing my duty, as a father and a husband. I lost my first marriage and the love and respect of my son\u2014for making the wrong decision.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, Dennis, as you read that, I think about some of those pre-planning meetings we had. Tim, I remember your heart for guys like this and wanting to make sure that this is a series that didn\u2019t paint an idealized picture of manhood\u2014that a guy like this would look at and go, \u201cI\u2019m so far from what you\u2019re putting up on the screen that I\u2019m hopeless.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I thought, even as Dennis was reading that, \u201cThat <em>is<\/em> a courageous man\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cbecause he\u2019s accepting responsibility for the bad decisions that he has made in the past; but he\u2019s not surrendering. He\u2019s not giving in. He is running, now, to God and toward the responsibility.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of us are broken. All of us have fallen. We <em>all<\/em> sin. And you\u2019re exactly right, Bob. I wanted every man to feel like this is a study where they could enter, at any point in their life, no matter how broken they are. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> You think that the average guy, who is coming to this series, is probably not feeling confident that he\u2019s doing a decent job\u2014not perfect but doing a pretty good job as a husband, father, as a man\u2014but instead, he\u2019s painfully aware of a lot of his own inadequacies. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. Yes, I think that most men\u2014and probably all men\u2014are aware of the fact that they are broken and they are falling short. They just don\u2019t know where to go or what to do about it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And every man has got a story that in his\u2014really, in his inner being\u2014he would love for another man to hear, and he\u2019d like to share it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGenerally, what I\u2019ve found in these groups\u2014guys come, saying: \u201cYou know, I don\u2019t know how much I\u2019ll talk. I don\u2019t know how much I\u2019ll share, but I\u2019ve got a group of guys that I\u2019ve gone hunting with over the past ten years\u201d\u2014and all you need to do is ask one good question. I mean, you\u2019ve got men sharing because, as the group goes on, it gets safer, and safer, and safer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you get grown men talking about something that happened to them as a boy, growing up\u2014where they were damaged or hurt deeply\u2014or a big mistake they made as a young husband, in terms of maybe a betrayal that they performed\u2014those kinds of things not only cause transparency but they invite others into your life, who do identify with that brokenness. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John, there are like four, or five, or six questions after each video series. When guys huddle up, there are a number of questions that get asked. I\u2019m guessing a lot of these groups are getting through two\u2014maybe, one of the questions. I mean, to Dennis\u2019s point\u2014you ask a good question, and guys get engaged. You may never get to the other four of five questions. That\u2019s okay; isn\u2019t it? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, it is. Hopefully, depending on the group\u2014I mean\u2014some groups have big talkers; some don\u2019t. So, we\u2019ve designed it so that if your group doesn\u2019t have big talkers; hopefully, there are enough questions to get you through. But yes, it is okay if not everybody talks; but it is okay if you don\u2019t get through much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, think about\u2014for a moment. Where can men go to get real, get honest, and talk authentically about where they struggle, as a man, and how they can improve, how they can make progress, how they can grow? Name it. Name the place. I\u2019ll tell you where it is. It\u2019s a bar. That\u2019s where they go! They go to\u2014perhaps, get a little tipsy\u2014which finally gives them the courage to get real and get honest with someone they don\u2019t even know. That\u2019s kind of symbolic of a safe place, in our culture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It\u2019s interesting. I was talking to a friend, recently, who was starting to develop this idea for a ministry of bartenders for Jesus. I mean, people who\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Seriously? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. He\u2019s thinking: \u201cLet\u2019s go in. As soon as guys have had a few drinks and start talking, you can be there. You could just witness to them.\u201d I said: \u201cI don\u2019t know how long the bar would stay open. [Laughter] I don\u2019t know how long the owner would keep you employed.\u201d But\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Might do quite well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014but you do understand the need that guys have to be able to be transparent, to be honest about what\u2019s going on in their lives, and have another guy look at them and say, \u201cI\u2019ve been where you are, and there is hope and there is help.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know what we do at the <em>Weekend to Remembe<\/em>r<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Bob. We have a theme that oneness is what God calls us to in marriage; but if the enemy can get a husband and a wife isolated, he can destroy that marriage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, I\u2019m going to tell you something. The same thing is true for man\u2014whether it be a young man, growing up in his adolescent years\u2014a young man in college\u2014a young man in his twenties, thirties\u2014married men, who are isolated, can be convinced of anything. They can get off on the wrong track, and they can make some serious mistakes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat you guys have done, in putting together this workbook that goes with the ten-part DVD series, is you\u2019ve guided men in how to get real, get honest, get authentic with a group of others; and hopefully, get some encouragement, along the way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and it\u2019s pretty cool what our team has done, here, too\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Bob, before you do that, let me just let our listeners know that I have not forgotten about John Majors\u2014in need of answering my question, \u201cWhat is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The question of courage. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019ll give John a minute or more to think about that while I let listeners know about something very special our team is offering this week. If you\u2019d like to get a copy of Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>, we\u2019re shipping it out to anybody who requests it. If you\u2019ll just cover the cost of shipping and handling, we\u2019ll send you a copy of the book. We\u2019re going to include, with it, a DVD that features Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video event. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGives you a preview of what\u2019s included in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014and gives you a chance to review the material and consider whether this is something you\u2019d like to go through\u2014with a group of your friends\u2014or something you might want to recommend that the men\u2019s group, at your church, go through together. In any case, whether you use the DVD and the curriculum or not, you\u2019ll get a copy of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of postage and handling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request the book or to find out more about the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number\u20141-800-358-6329. That\u2019s 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. Ask about Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, when you get in touch with us\u2014how you can get a free copy. Again, we\u2019ll send it out to you if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of postage and handling. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Let me also say a quick word of thanks to those of you who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>\u2014could not do this without you. We appreciate your financial support. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this month, if you\u2019re able to make a donation, we\u2019d like to send you a thank-you gift\u2014a message from Dennis about dads and their kids\u2014how a dad can be engaged, heart to heart, with his sons and his daughters\u2014particularly, during some of the tough teen years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll send out that CD when you make an online donation at FamilyLifeToday.com. Just go there and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make your online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone; and again, ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey when you get in touch with us. We\u2019re happy to send it out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, John thought he was off the hook, Bob; but he wasn\u2019t. [Laughter] John Majors, good man, here at FamilyLife. Both, he and Tim Grissom, serve well and serve with excellence. Thank you, guys, for being on the broadcast. But earlier, Tim shared his most courageous thing he\u2019s ever done. John, what\u2019s the most courageous thing for you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> For me, the most courageous thing I\u2019ve done was probably get up this morning, feed our three-month-old boy, so my wife could sleep in a little longer when I didn\u2019t want to. I think, for me, it\u2019s the little things, day-in and day-out. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t have this life-defining, courageous decision; but it is a series of decisions to be faithful in the little things\u2014to turn away from sin, to turn towards the cross. I think that sums up courage, in my life, which I think, as Tim and I talked about it\u2014it\u2019s good to have that perspective, as we were writing this workbook. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome guys have this huge, courageous moment and some\u2014as you\u2019ve said\u2014go, \u201cI\u2019ve never done anything courageous,\u201d but courage is required in all the little things, just as much. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is. And in this culture, it does take a real man, being courageous, to be a husband and a father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><em> FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. Help for today. 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