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The most courageous thing you can do is lay down your life for someone else. Ultimately, giving God the glory\u2014that is the most courageous thing you can do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, June 10<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019re going to talk to a couple of guys today who have a passion to see guys talking to one another. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Thanks for joining us. I think the guys we\u2019ve got in here\u2014who are guys who have read your book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014I think they got it; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think they did! I think they captured it. In fact, they did better than capture it\u2014they\u2019ve multiplied it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim Grissom and John Majors join us on <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>John, Tim\u2014welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thank you. I\u2019m glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John and Tim both work here, at FamilyLife. Tim is Senior Editor of FamilyLife Publishing. John has worked on <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em>. Together, these guys have collaboratively\u2014that\u2019s a good word; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> That is a good word, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They have worked together to produce the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>video series workbook. You guys have been a part of FamilyLife for a number of years. We\u2019re all about practical application of God\u2019s Word and teaching God\u2019s Word. Was that what you were all about in creating this workbook for men\u2014this ten-part DVD series that guys are digging into, all across the country\u2014you\u2019ve actually created a workbook, here, for them to be able to apply it; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely! I think you can capture a guy\u2019s heart quickly, but you also want to help them process the truth. We try to be very practical and thorough with that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. In fact, I want to go back to one of the early meetings we had when we were laying out the framework for the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series because Tim and John were both in the meeting. We were talking about what the different sessions ought to be about. We talked about how the video would be designed to kind of inspire and motivate guys and paint a picture for them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we said that the real heart of what goes on in the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>series is going to happen once the lights come back on, and the DVD player has been turned off, and guys huddle up. John, what is it that guys are doing, in the huddle, that is so powerful?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> What we wanted guys to do was to pick apart what they saw and apply it to their lives, personally. We really wanted them to dig into the Scriptures, as well, and say, \u201cWhat I saw on screen\u2014I got a broad concept on courage. Now, what does the Bible say about it; and how do I apply that to my life?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe also wanted to be sure that we gave guys enough content to dig through that it wasn\u2019t just, \u201cI saw a video, and answered a couple of questions, and I moved on.\u201d But since it\u2019s called <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, we wanted them to feel like, \u201cI was called to step up in the amount of work or effort I had to put forward.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John, you really feel like that\u2019s best done in a community with other men\u2014that men need men to truly step up, over a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, absolutely. I think we\u2019ve seen that with our <em>Homebuilder<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> series, as a good example, at FamilyLife. People go to an event, and they have a life-changing experience; but it\u2019s that community, over many months, that helps support them\u2014hold up their arms. I think with men, especially\u2014men get so isolated and feel alone. But if you get a group of guys together and they feel that they can trust you, you\u2019ll start to see some deeper change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim, you\u2019ve been through your own journey\u2014your own valley in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You lost your wife a number of years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> How did men\u2014a group of men\u2014come around you and help you through one of the most tragic circumstances that can ever happen to any husband and father?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, that\u2019s an interesting story. Actually, just a few weeks after my wife passed away, in December of 1999\u2014this is not going to sound spiritual at all\u2014we were at the tail end of the football season. A friend of mine, who liked to watch <em>Monday Night Football<\/em>\u2014and I like to watch Monday Night Football\u2014he called me one day and said: \u201cI\u2019m at my house, watching football. You\u2019re at your house, watching football. Tonight, I\u2019m coming over to your house to watch with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFrom that time until now, which is almost 14 years later, I\u2019ve been getting with this group of men every Monday night. We\u2019ve long since stopped watching <em>Monday Night Football<\/em> and have just done a lot of life together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When that guy first came over to your house, it wasn\u2019t just you and him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It was\u2014the first time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Was it? Where were your kids, at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, they were just traipsing around the house. [Laughter] They were in and out of the living room, as we watched football. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But he came over because he knew that you needed a brother.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It was companionship and fellowship. He did it for loving reasons. It wasn\u2019t just about football, obviously. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Fourteen years of getting together with a group of guys on Monday nights, in and out of football season\u2014what benefit has that had in your life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, it\u2019s just doing life together. We have been through so many circumstances. One of the buddies of mine\u2014his brother committed suicide, here, a few years ago. We walked through that season with him. We\u2019ve been through our children\u2019s marriages. We\u2019ve been through the birth of grandchildren, transitions, struggles in marriages. We\u2019ve just been there for each other. These are gentlemen that I would die for, and they would die for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, with that context, when you sat down to help guide a group of guys\u2014who may be getting together for the first time, going through the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video curriculum\u2014 and they\u2019re going to huddle up, after they\u2019ve watched the video, and they are going to start interacting with questions\u2014you didn\u2019t just want them to be coming up with answers to, \u201cWhat does this passage mean?\u201d You wanted them to be digging deeper than that; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I wanted them to be honest. I think that one of the things that John and I had in mind, as we crafted the questions and wrote the content, was to help men go deeper with one another. I think that men really will do that. I think that they <em>want<\/em> to do that. We wanted to equip them to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy contribution to the book, as I worked on the content and questions\u2014I had three people in mind as I crafted questions and worked on the content:\u00a0 one was that Monday night group of men, one was my sons-in-law, and one was my own son. All of those are men\u2014young men\u2014that I love and care for. I would want them to go deeper\u2014I want them to go deeper with Christ. I want them to go deeper with one another. So, those questions were crafted with those men in mind, actually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What I want our listeners to hear is that Tim and John didn\u2019t just design this for grown men\u2014men who are already in the season of life and manhood of adult responsibilities\u2014but for younger men, who are emerging into manhood. Young adolescents\u201413-, 14-, 15-year-olds\u2014have been through this. Certainly, high school students and college-aged kids have gone through this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had a couple of young men, from John Brown University, who went through the preview of the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. They went through all ten together with all of us, and they decided that they wanted to take it back to JBU. They went to the administration. All last spring, every guy on campus went through the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series. That\u2019s really what you were looking for; wasn\u2019t it, Tim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely; absolutely. We want to help get those young men on the right trajectory. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John, when guys get together and they\u2019re in a small group with other guys\u2014 maybe, it\u2019s the first time they\u2019ve done this\u2014and they\u2019ve just watched a video and, now, somebody\u2019s asking them some nosy questions that may feel a little bit threatening\u2014I\u2019m just wondering how many guys are going to say, \u201cI don\u2019t know that I want to be here.\u201d How did you guys address that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> We just started a group in our neighborhood\u2014with a group of guys. We had a guy walk in the door and he said: \u201cI just want you to know I don\u2019t really want to be here. [Laughter] I\u2019m only coming because (one of the guys, basically, twisted his arm to come), and I trust him.\u201d He said, \u201cIn fact, I\u2019m afraid you\u2019re going to sit me down and tie me to a chair to try to get me to come to church.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter] We laughed with him; and we said, \u201cNo, that\u2019s next week!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think the way you guys do it\u2014you guys are both expert slow-pitch pitchers. You guys know how to just have a nice lob up to the plate\u2014put it right over the middle, where even somebody like this guy, who doesn\u2019t want to be there, can answer the question\u2014like the first question you have in the first small group, \u201cWho are some of the most courageous people you\u2019ve ever known?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, and I\u2019m just curious about that guy\u2019s experience because he came in, reticent. What happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, he was one of the most talkative guys during the discussion. [Laughter] When everything ended, he said, \u201cI\u2019ll be back next week.\u201d I caught him\u2014he\u2019s a neighbor\u2014out in his front yard, midweek. He said, \u201cYes, I\u2019ll definitely be there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And did you ask him to go to church the next week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No. Not yet. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But you did ask him questions\u2014back to the slow-pitch metaphor\u2014that he could answer and enjoy answering. Most men really do want to talk with other men\u2014they want to get real with other men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I absolutely believe that. We carried that conviction into writing the book. I think it\u2019s a myth to say that men don\u2019t want to talk\u2014don\u2019t want to communicate. There are a lot of things going on in their hearts and their minds. Some of them are fears, some of them are successes, some of them are just questions they have about life or about whether they\u2019re doing the right thing. It\u2019s just men showing interest in them and asking them the right questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They\u2019ve got to know that it\u2019s safe\u2014especially, if they\u2019re going to talk about what\u2019s going on in their lives\u2014because, if I\u2019m in a men\u2019s group and you\u2019re asking fact-based questions\u2014so, if you asked me, \u201cWhat do you think this verse means?\u201d I can engage in that because there\u2019s not very much that\u2019s threatening. Even if I stumble a little bit, it\u2019s going to be your opinion against my opinion; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut questions like, \u201cWho are some of the most courageous people you\u2019ve known?\u201d I mean, any guy can get back and tell a story about somebody he knew, whether it was during military service, or back in high school, or somebody he\u2019s known in the office. Every guy can get engaged in that and feel like, \u201cOkay, it\u2019s safe to tell my story here.\u201d As long as the group leader\u2014and I think this is important\u2014as long as the group leader understands\u2014you want to model for these guys that this is a safe environment to be honest about what\u2019s going on in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, and you want to be aware of who\u2019s ready for that and who\u2019s not\u2014know when to put the pressure on, know when to back off. But I think it comes back to a context of relationship. This guy came because one guy invited him\u2014that he trusted. He told me: \u201cI\u2019d like to know more about the Bible. I really would, and I\u2019m just not sure how to go about it or how to carve out the time.\u201d He\u2019s had some bad experiences in the church. He\u2019s afraid. His girlfriend is afraid he\u2019ll turn out like a weirdo. So, he\u2019s got all of that pressure going on, but it all comes back to relationships.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, in these discussion groups, you are getting into particular passages from the Bible\u2014getting guys engaged with the Scriptures\u2014and even a guy, who hasn\u2019t spent much time reading the Bible\u2014he was okay being there and looking at it; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. One of the first questions is, \u201cTalk about the definition of manhood in First Corinthians 16:13-14.\u201d We have the passage, there, in the book. We walk through it. James MacDonald, on the video, walked through it. That was one of the more meaningful portions of the video\u2014for a number of the guys\u2014watching him unpack that. So, yes, we dive right into the Scriptures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back to the subject of safety\u2014a part of what you guys have done, in this workbook, to create safety in the small group, is to ask questions, at the beginning, that are more opinion questions\u2014that are more factual in nature. They don\u2019t really force any transparency\u2014 force guys to tell any kind of personal story of any kind. You\u2019re asking how they define courage. You\u2019re asking them what they think about how this passage defines courage in the Bible. That\u2019s not really forcing a guy to disclose where he is with God or what he thinks about the passage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s not at all. As they open up and share, you get to know\u2014as you\u2019re in the group with them and hear their answers and how they respond to questions\u2014you pick up on who they value, who they love, who they trust, what they\u2019ve learned, where they\u2019ve been in life, and what\u2019s important to them. As a leader, it gives you an opportunity\u2014and them, as a participant in the group\u2014they become increasingly willing to open up about their own experiences. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs John said, you have to be cautious about when you do that and how. I think another important part of the book is not just the discussion questions that we\u2019ve given them\u2014but the three days of time that they can just spend on their own, processing through truth from the Scripture, and even just looking into their own heart and experience. So, as well as the group interaction, there\u2019s also personal time for them to just get quiet and think about some of these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Give me an example\u2014in the three days that would follow the group getting together\u2014what would a guy be doing in those subsequent chapters, John?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> The basic format we\u2019ve taken is that the first day is unpacking the broad concepts: \u201cWhat is courage?\u201d The first session is on courage. You just talk through, in general: \u201cWhat do most people think courage is? What are some of your own opinions of what courage is?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second day would be, \u201cWhat does the Bible say about courage?\u201d The third day is going to be diving more into personal application. We designed it this way because we felt like, again, if you\u2019re calling a guy to do a <em>Stepping Up <\/em>series, we want to give them some stuff to do that is meaningful\u2014that calls them to step up in their own work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim mentioned the myth that men don\u2019t like to read\u2014men don\u2019t like to spend time, working through things on their own. I think the great libraries of the world were built by men. Many of the greatest writers of our time are men. So, we feel like we can call guys up to this. They will respond. The things that I\u2019ve invested the most deeply in\u2014in my life\u2014have been the most meaningful. So, we didn\u2019t want to stay in the shallows; but we also wanted any guy to feel like he could come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You quote some very famous theologians about what courage is. John Wayne said, \u201cCourage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Every man can identify with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> <em>Every <\/em>man can identify with that. George Patton\u2014just kind of the crusty leader that he was: \u201cCourage is fear holding on a minute longer.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou picture men\u2014maybe, taking a few moments of solitude\u2014meaningful solitude, being guided by this workbook\u2014to reflect on a topic that really is in the chest of every man. Every man wants to be called out and called up to be courageous. You really wanted them to process, and think, and grapple with what courage looks like in their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> And we wanted them to process, \u201cThis is what you think courage is; but, more importantly, what does the Bible say courage is?\u201d We wanted them to really go to the deeper meaning of courage. Courage just isn\u2019t, \u201cI did a bungee jump,\u201d or, \u201cI jumped out of an airplane,\u201d or, \u201c\u2026did something that was hard or made me nervous.\u201d Courage, inherently, has a Christ-centered factor; or it has an others-centered factor\u2014for those who aren\u2019t believers. The most courageous thing you can do is lay down your life for someone else. Ultimately, giving God the glory\u2014that is the most courageous thing you can do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying that you built this so that a guy, who doesn\u2019t go to church, could feel comfortable getting together with another group of guys and going through the DVDs and going through the workbook. I mean, he\u2019s going to be confronted, throughout, with the claims of Christ and what the Bible teaches. Isn\u2019t he, at some point, going to say, \u201cThis is too religious for me,\u201d Tim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, he might, but that doesn\u2019t give us an out. We have to be courageous in our presentation of the Gospel. In fact, I believe that it\u2019s the fourth session that deals pretty forthrightly with the Gospel. We make a point that the most courageous thing a man can do is surrender\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hmmm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014surrender his life to Christ. I think that a lot of it goes back to the relationship of the group and what kind of connection they have with that man. There are things, in here, for every man; but we believe that for a man to be a true man\u2014that means being a man of God. Courage comes from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would also say that there is no courage apart from first experiencing fear, and every man has encountered fear in some form. So, every man has some interest in learning what it means to be courageous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John, we\u2019ve talked about courage being kind of at the heart of\u2014really, the heart of the first session. <em>Stepping Up <\/em>is a call to courageous manhood, but the video series talks about more than just courage. What are some of the themes that men dig into, as they go through these ten videos?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Courage sets the stage for the whole series; but the entire series flows out of the book Dennis wrote on stepping up to manhood, which is really based on the five key stages of manhood. So, we\u2019ll walk through those\u2014boyhood, adolescence, manhood, mentor, and patriarch. Then, we\u2019ll go into the session on the Gospel, as Tim mentioned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we want to give guys a definition of what it means to be a man who is stepping up. We use that acronym STEP\u2014\u201cS,\u201d \u201cT,\u201d \u201cE,\u201d \u201cP\u201d\u2014standing firm, taking initiative, engaging with wisdom and grace, and planning ahead and providing\u2014to give them, really, an acronym that they can use, at any time, to self-evaluate: \u201cAm I stepping up right now, or am I stepping down, or stepping away?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we walk through what it means to lead your family well and to have a vision for their life, and a vision for your community\u2014leading your community\u2014leaving a lasting legacy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of the issues of manhood get played out in a marriage or in a family, but you were conscientious to try to make sure the workbook kept single guys in mind; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. When I was in college, I went through some manhood material, which was <em>tremendous<\/em> and gave me a definition of manhood; but I also felt like, \u201cThis is more for my dad than for me.\u201d It was extremely helpful, and I was glad to have it; but I thought it would be really helpful, in the future, to have something more tailored\u2014that a young guy feels like he could be a part of, as well, and not feel excluded. So, yes, we designed it with that in mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your first session\u2014coming out of the first DVD\u2014as we talk about defining courage\u2014ends in both the DVD and in the small group time with the same question. I\u2019m going to ask you two guys to answer that question. You can decide who does it today and who answers it on the next broadcast. The question is, \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d John\u2019s pointing at Tim! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I believe in you, John. Let\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nothing like having a friend who will volunteer you; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Tim\u2019s more courageous than I. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay, Tim. What\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> When you first put that question to me\u2014back when I worked on the book with you, a couple of years ago\u2014I had the response, \u201cI don\u2019t really feel like I\u2019ve done anything terribly courageous.\u201d But, in reflecting on that, the most courageous thing that I\u2019ve ever done is something I had to do\u2014and that was the morning after my wife passed away\u2014gathering my\u2014I have four children\u2014gathering my three daughters\u2014my son was fairly young, at the time\u2014and telling them that their mom had passed away the night before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember that moment as if it\u2019s frozen in time\u2014just saying to my children, \u201cYour mommy\u2019s with Jesus.\u201d That\u2019s the most courageous thing that I\u2019ve ever done because it had to be done. It began a long, challenging\u2014but blessed\u2014journey for me and for my four children\u2014but it was breaking the news to my children of their mother\u2019s death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, as we talk about, in the series, it is doing your duty, in the face of fear. It\u2019s facing down the hard stuff. Telling your kids\u2014that may have begun the process of being courageous, Tim\u2014but we watched you, around here. You continued that initial step of courage with more than a dozen years of being courageous at loving, leading, being a priest of your family\u2014by yourself, as a single parent. You have been courageous!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know there are guys, who have heard us talking about this today, who may have been thinking, \u201cYou know, this is something that I think our men\u2019s group ought to go through together this fall.\u201d If you\u2019d like to get more information about the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link there for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this is also something you could do over the summer. Get a group of guys together\u2014just friends of yours\u2014invite them over to the house, once a week, and you guys\u2014the five or six of you\u2014sit down and watch the videos and go through the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>ten-week video series. Again, there\u2019s more information about the series, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can see clips from the series\u2014get more information about the whole kit. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention something very special that our team is doing. They\u2019ve decided to make copies of your book, <em>Stepping Up, <\/em>available for any of our listeners for free. All you have to do is cover the cost of postage and handling, and we\u2019ll send the book to you. We\u2019ll include, with the book, a DVD that includes all of Session One of <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014the video series\u2014and half of the first session of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video event\u2014so you get a chance to see what this video is really all about and get a copy of Dennis\u2019s book\u2014if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of the shipping and the handling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>resources we have available. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329; 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d when you get in touch with us. Again, ask about how you can get a copy of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood. <\/em>Just cover the cost of shipping, and we\u2019ll get it to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, there\u2019s another message, from Dennis, that we\u2019re making available, this month, to those of you who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>It\u2019s a message about dads turning their hearts toward the hearts of their children\u2014a message given at a men\u2019s event, a number of years ago\u2014where Dennis talked, particularly, about dads and their teenagers and how you protect them from danger\u2014from evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat CD is our gift to you when you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation, this month. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. Make an online donation, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone, and ask about the CD from Dennis Rainey called <em>Turning Your Heart toward Your Children<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, let me just say, \u201cThanks for your support for this ministry.\u201d We are listener-supported. Your donations are what keep this program on our network of stations, all across the country. We\u2019re grateful for your partnership with us, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to encourage you to be back with us again tomorrow. John Majors and Tim Grissom are going to be here. We\u2019re going to talk more about men stepping up. We\u2019ll look at what\u2019s at the core of biblical manhood tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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In fact, they did better than capture it\u2014they\u2019ve multiplied it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim Grissom and John Majors join us on <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>John, Tim\u2014welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thank you. I\u2019m glad to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> John and Tim both work here, at FamilyLife. Tim is Senior Editor of FamilyLife Publishing. John has worked on <em>Passport2Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> and <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em>. Together, these guys have collaboratively\u2014that\u2019s a good word; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> That is a good word, yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They have worked together to produce the <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>video series workbook. You guys have been a part of FamilyLife for a number of years. We\u2019re all about practical application of God\u2019s Word and teaching God\u2019s Word. Was that what you were all about in creating this workbook for men\u2014this ten-part DVD series that guys are digging into, all across the country\u2014you\u2019ve actually created a workbook, here, for them to be able to apply it; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely! I think you can capture a guy\u2019s heart quickly, but you also want to help them process the truth. 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People go to an event, and they have a life-changing experience; but it\u2019s that community, over many months, that helps support them\u2014hold up their arms. I think with men, especially\u2014men get so isolated and feel alone. 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A friend of mine, who liked to watch <em>Monday Night Football<\/em>\u2014and I like to watch Monday Night Football\u2014he called me one day and said: \u201cI\u2019m at my house, watching football. You\u2019re at your house, watching football. Tonight, I\u2019m coming over to your house to watch with you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFrom that time until now, which is almost 14 years later, I\u2019ve been getting with this group of men every Monday night. We\u2019ve long since stopped watching <em>Monday Night Football<\/em> and have just done a lot of life together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When that guy first came over to your house, it wasn\u2019t just you and him\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It was\u2014the first time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Was it? 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I think that one of the things that John and I had in mind, as we crafted the questions and wrote the content, was to help men go deeper with one another. I think that men really will do that. I think that they <em>want<\/em> to do that. We wanted to equip them to do that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy contribution to the book, as I worked on the content and questions\u2014I had three people in mind as I crafted questions and worked on the content:\u00a0 one was that Monday night group of men, one was my sons-in-law, and one was my own son. All of those are men\u2014young men\u2014that I love and care for. I would want them to go deeper\u2014I want them to go deeper with Christ. I want them to go deeper with one another. 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[Laughter] I\u2019m only coming because (one of the guys, basically, twisted his arm to come), and I trust him.\u201d He said, \u201cIn fact, I\u2019m afraid you\u2019re going to sit me down and tie me to a chair to try to get me to come to church.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter] We laughed with him; and we said, \u201cNo, that\u2019s next week!\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think the way you guys do it\u2014you guys are both expert slow-pitch pitchers. You guys know how to just have a nice lob up to the plate\u2014put it right over the middle, where even somebody like this guy, who doesn\u2019t want to be there, can answer the question\u2014like the first question you have in the first small group, \u201cWho are some of the most courageous people you\u2019ve ever known?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, and I\u2019m just curious about that guy\u2019s experience because he came in, reticent. What happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, he was one of the most talkative guys during the discussion. [Laughter] When everything ended, he said, \u201cI\u2019ll be back next week.\u201d I caught him\u2014he\u2019s a neighbor\u2014out in his front yard, midweek. He said, \u201cYes, I\u2019ll definitely be there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> And did you ask him to go to church the next week?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> No. Not yet. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But you did ask him questions\u2014back to the slow-pitch metaphor\u2014that he could answer and enjoy answering. Most men really do want to talk with other men\u2014they want to get real with other men.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I absolutely believe that. We carried that conviction into writing the book. I think it\u2019s a myth to say that men don\u2019t want to talk\u2014don\u2019t want to communicate. There are a lot of things going on in their hearts and their minds. Some of them are fears, some of them are successes, some of them are just questions they have about life or about whether they\u2019re doing the right thing. It\u2019s just men showing interest in them and asking them the right questions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> They\u2019ve got to know that it\u2019s safe\u2014especially, if they\u2019re going to talk about what\u2019s going on in their lives\u2014because, if I\u2019m in a men\u2019s group and you\u2019re asking fact-based questions\u2014so, if you asked me, \u201cWhat do you think this verse means?\u201d I can engage in that because there\u2019s not very much that\u2019s threatening. Even if I stumble a little bit, it\u2019s going to be your opinion against my opinion; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut questions like, \u201cWho are some of the most courageous people you\u2019ve known?\u201d I mean, any guy can get back and tell a story about somebody he knew, whether it was during military service, or back in high school, or somebody he\u2019s known in the office. Every guy can get engaged in that and feel like, \u201cOkay, it\u2019s safe to tell my story here.\u201d As long as the group leader\u2014and I think this is important\u2014as long as the group leader understands\u2014you want to model for these guys that this is a safe environment to be honest about what\u2019s going on in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes, and you want to be aware of who\u2019s ready for that and who\u2019s not\u2014know when to put the pressure on, know when to back off. But I think it comes back to a context of relationship. This guy came because one guy invited him\u2014that he trusted. He told me: \u201cI\u2019d like to know more about the Bible. I really would, and I\u2019m just not sure how to go about it or how to carve out the time.\u201d He\u2019s had some bad experiences in the church. He\u2019s afraid. His girlfriend is afraid he\u2019ll turn out like a weirdo. So, he\u2019s got all of that pressure going on, but it all comes back to relationships.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, in these discussion groups, you are getting into particular passages from the Bible\u2014getting guys engaged with the Scriptures\u2014and even a guy, who hasn\u2019t spent much time reading the Bible\u2014he was okay being there and looking at it; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. One of the first questions is, \u201cTalk about the definition of manhood in First Corinthians 16:13-14.\u201d We have the passage, there, in the book. We walk through it. James MacDonald, on the video, walked through it. That was one of the more meaningful portions of the video\u2014for a number of the guys\u2014watching him unpack that. So, yes, we dive right into the Scriptures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Back to the subject of safety\u2014a part of what you guys have done, in this workbook, to create safety in the small group, is to ask questions, at the beginning, that are more opinion questions\u2014that are more factual in nature. They don\u2019t really force any transparency\u2014 force guys to tell any kind of personal story of any kind. You\u2019re asking how they define courage. You\u2019re asking them what they think about how this passage defines courage in the Bible. That\u2019s not really forcing a guy to disclose where he is with God or what he thinks about the passage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No, it\u2019s not at all. As they open up and share, you get to know\u2014as you\u2019re in the group with them and hear their answers and how they respond to questions\u2014you pick up on who they value, who they love, who they trust, what they\u2019ve learned, where they\u2019ve been in life, and what\u2019s important to them. As a leader, it gives you an opportunity\u2014and them, as a participant in the group\u2014they become increasingly willing to open up about their own experiences. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs John said, you have to be cautious about when you do that and how. I think another important part of the book is not just the discussion questions that we\u2019ve given them\u2014but the three days of time that they can just spend on their own, processing through truth from the Scripture, and even just looking into their own heart and experience. So, as well as the group interaction, there\u2019s also personal time for them to just get quiet and think about some of these things. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Give me an example\u2014in the three days that would follow the group getting together\u2014what would a guy be doing in those subsequent chapters, John?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> The basic format we\u2019ve taken is that the first day is unpacking the broad concepts: \u201cWhat is courage?\u201d The first session is on courage. You just talk through, in general: \u201cWhat do most people think courage is? What are some of your own opinions of what courage is?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe second day would be, \u201cWhat does the Bible say about courage?\u201d The third day is going to be diving more into personal application. We designed it this way because we felt like, again, if you\u2019re calling a guy to do a <em>Stepping Up <\/em>series, we want to give them some stuff to do that is meaningful\u2014that calls them to step up in their own work. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim mentioned the myth that men don\u2019t like to read\u2014men don\u2019t like to spend time, working through things on their own. I think the great libraries of the world were built by men. Many of the greatest writers of our time are men. So, we feel like we can call guys up to this. They will respond. The things that I\u2019ve invested the most deeply in\u2014in my life\u2014have been the most meaningful. So, we didn\u2019t want to stay in the shallows; but we also wanted any guy to feel like he could come.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You quote some very famous theologians about what courage is. John Wayne said, \u201cCourage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Every man can identify with that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> <em>Every <\/em>man can identify with that. George Patton\u2014just kind of the crusty leader that he was: \u201cCourage is fear holding on a minute longer.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou picture men\u2014maybe, taking a few moments of solitude\u2014meaningful solitude, being guided by this workbook\u2014to reflect on a topic that really is in the chest of every man. Every man wants to be called out and called up to be courageous. You really wanted them to process, and think, and grapple with what courage looks like in their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> And we wanted them to process, \u201cThis is what you think courage is; but, more importantly, what does the Bible say courage is?\u201d We wanted them to really go to the deeper meaning of courage. Courage just isn\u2019t, \u201cI did a bungee jump,\u201d or, \u201cI jumped out of an airplane,\u201d or, \u201c\u2026did something that was hard or made me nervous.\u201d Courage, inherently, has a Christ-centered factor; or it has an others-centered factor\u2014for those who aren\u2019t believers. The most courageous thing you can do is lay down your life for someone else. Ultimately, giving God the glory\u2014that is the most courageous thing you can do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying that you built this so that a guy, who doesn\u2019t go to church, could feel comfortable getting together with another group of guys and going through the DVDs and going through the workbook. I mean, he\u2019s going to be confronted, throughout, with the claims of Christ and what the Bible teaches. Isn\u2019t he, at some point, going to say, \u201cThis is too religious for me,\u201d Tim?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, he might, but that doesn\u2019t give us an out. We have to be courageous in our presentation of the Gospel. In fact, I believe that it\u2019s the fourth session that deals pretty forthrightly with the Gospel. We make a point that the most courageous thing a man can do is surrender\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hmmm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014surrender his life to Christ. I think that a lot of it goes back to the relationship of the group and what kind of connection they have with that man. There are things, in here, for every man; but we believe that for a man to be a true man\u2014that means being a man of God. Courage comes from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would also say that there is no courage apart from first experiencing fear, and every man has encountered fear in some form. So, every man has some interest in learning what it means to be courageous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> John, we\u2019ve talked about courage being kind of at the heart of\u2014really, the heart of the first session. <em>Stepping Up <\/em>is a call to courageous manhood, but the video series talks about more than just courage. What are some of the themes that men dig into, as they go through these ten videos?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Courage sets the stage for the whole series; but the entire series flows out of the book Dennis wrote on stepping up to manhood, which is really based on the five key stages of manhood. So, we\u2019ll walk through those\u2014boyhood, adolescence, manhood, mentor, and patriarch. Then, we\u2019ll go into the session on the Gospel, as Tim mentioned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we want to give guys a definition of what it means to be a man who is stepping up. We use that acronym STEP\u2014\u201cS,\u201d \u201cT,\u201d \u201cE,\u201d \u201cP\u201d\u2014standing firm, taking initiative, engaging with wisdom and grace, and planning ahead and providing\u2014to give them, really, an acronym that they can use, at any time, to self-evaluate: \u201cAm I stepping up right now, or am I stepping down, or stepping away?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, we walk through what it means to lead your family well and to have a vision for their life, and a vision for your community\u2014leading your community\u2014leaving a lasting legacy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> A lot of the issues of manhood get played out in a marriage or in a family, but you were conscientious to try to make sure the workbook kept single guys in mind; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Yes. When I was in college, I went through some manhood material, which was <em>tremendous<\/em> and gave me a definition of manhood; but I also felt like, \u201cThis is more for my dad than for me.\u201d It was extremely helpful, and I was glad to have it; but I thought it would be really helpful, in the future, to have something more tailored\u2014that a young guy feels like he could be a part of, as well, and not feel excluded. So, yes, we designed it with that in mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your first session\u2014coming out of the first DVD\u2014as we talk about defining courage\u2014ends in both the DVD and in the small group time with the same question. I\u2019m going to ask you two guys to answer that question. You can decide who does it today and who answers it on the next broadcast. The question is, \u201cWhat is the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\u201d John\u2019s pointing at Tim! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I believe in you, John. Let\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Nothing like having a friend who will volunteer you; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>John:<\/strong> Tim\u2019s more courageous than I. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay, Tim. What\u2019s the most courageous thing you\u2019ve ever done?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> When you first put that question to me\u2014back when I worked on the book with you, a couple of years ago\u2014I had the response, \u201cI don\u2019t really feel like I\u2019ve done anything terribly courageous.\u201d But, in reflecting on that, the most courageous thing that I\u2019ve ever done is something I had to do\u2014and that was the morning after my wife passed away\u2014gathering my\u2014I have four children\u2014gathering my three daughters\u2014my son was fairly young, at the time\u2014and telling them that their mom had passed away the night before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember that moment as if it\u2019s frozen in time\u2014just saying to my children, \u201cYour mommy\u2019s with Jesus.\u201d That\u2019s the most courageous thing that I\u2019ve ever done because it had to be done. It began a long, challenging\u2014but blessed\u2014journey for me and for my four children\u2014but it was breaking the news to my children of their mother\u2019s death.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, as we talk about, in the series, it is doing your duty, in the face of fear. It\u2019s facing down the hard stuff. Telling your kids\u2014that may have begun the process of being courageous, Tim\u2014but we watched you, around here. You continued that initial step of courage with more than a dozen years of being courageous at loving, leading, being a priest of your family\u2014by yourself, as a single parent. You have been courageous!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I know there are guys, who have heard us talking about this today, who may have been thinking, \u201cYou know, this is something that I think our men\u2019s group ought to go through together this fall.\u201d If you\u2019d like to get more information about the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link there for <em>Stepping Up<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut this is also something you could do over the summer. Get a group of guys together\u2014just friends of yours\u2014invite them over to the house, once a week, and you guys\u2014the five or six of you\u2014sit down and watch the videos and go through the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>ten-week video series. Again, there\u2019s more information about the series, online, at FamilyLifeToday.com. You can see clips from the series\u2014get more information about the whole kit. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention something very special that our team is doing. They\u2019ve decided to make copies of your book, <em>Stepping Up, <\/em>available for any of our listeners for free. All you have to do is cover the cost of postage and handling, and we\u2019ll send the book to you. We\u2019ll include, with the book, a DVD that includes all of Session One of <em>Stepping Up<\/em>\u2014the video series\u2014and half of the first session of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video event\u2014so you get a chance to see what this video is really all about and get a copy of Dennis\u2019s book\u2014if you\u2019ll just cover the cost of the shipping and the handling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>resources we have available. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329; 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d when you get in touch with us. Again, ask about how you can get a copy of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood. <\/em>Just cover the cost of shipping, and we\u2019ll get it to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, there\u2019s another message, from Dennis, that we\u2019re making available, this month, to those of you who can help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>It\u2019s a message about dads turning their hearts toward the hearts of their children\u2014a message given at a men\u2019s event, a number of years ago\u2014where Dennis talked, particularly, about dads and their teenagers and how you protect them from danger\u2014from evil. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat CD is our gift to you when you help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> with a donation, this month. All you have to do is go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d. Make an online donation, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY. Make your donation over the phone, and ask about the CD from Dennis Rainey called <em>Turning Your Heart toward Your Children<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, let me just say, \u201cThanks for your support for this ministry.\u201d We are listener-supported. Your donations are what keep this program on our network of stations, all across the country. We\u2019re grateful for your partnership with us, here, at <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to encourage you to be back with us again tomorrow. John Majors and Tim Grissom are going to be here. We\u2019re going to talk more about men stepping up. We\u2019ll look at what\u2019s at the core of biblical manhood tomorrow. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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