{"id":302753,"date":"2013-06-07T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-06-07T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep\/"},"modified":"2013-06-07T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-06-07T15:00:00","slug":"the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep\/","title":{"rendered":"The Shepherd Leads His Sheep"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pastor Timothy Witmer talks about the call of sacrificial leadership on a man\u2019s life.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2013-06-07.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"24.07M","filesize_raw":"25243034","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2837],"tags":[4716,4727,4277],"podcast_series":[7950],"cwp_profile":[3255],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302753","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-fathers","tag-being-a-father","tag-dads","tag-fathers","podcast_series-the-shepherd-leader-at-home","cwp_profile-tim-witmer","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302753\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302753\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"pVM32uIH6v\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep\/\">The Shepherd Leads His Sheep<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-shepherd-leads-his-sheep\/embed\/#?secret=pVM32uIH6v\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Shepherd Leads His Sheep&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"pVM32uIH6v\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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If there was ever a guy who could have said: \u201cSunday is my day. I\u2019m not going to church,\u201d it would have been him; but no, every Saturday night we heard the swish, swish, swish of shoes being shined because we knew we were going to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, men really show their families what\u2019s important by what they do, not just by what they say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, June 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk, today, about how important it is for a father to instruct his children; but how much more important it is for him to live consistently in front of them. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, we have this recurring joke around our house. I\u2019ve shared this at some our FamilyLife events. I say\u2014and Mary Ann would say, as well\u2014that she wants me to take the lead in our marriage and in our relationship, as long as how I lead is exactly what\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why did I start laughing?\u2014because I could fill in the blank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The way that I\u2019ve illustrated this is\u2014I\u2019ll come and say: \u201cYou know what? Let\u2019s go out and eat tonight.\u201d I\u2019ll say: \u201cWe\u2019ll go out and get something to eat. Where would you like to go?\u201d She goes: \u201cI don\u2019t care. You pick.\u201d I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s do Chinese.\u201d She\u2019ll go, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not feeling Chinese\u2014something else.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay, what sounds good to you?\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know what sounds good. Pick something.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, see, in our house\u2014see, you\u2019re much more generous with Mary Ann than I am with Barbara\u2014because I come home; and I say, \u201cWhat would you like for me to fix\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cto cook for you, tonight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cfor you tonight, Sweetheart?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And she says? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She goes, \u201cI don\u2019t care.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, here we are, as men. We feel some responsibility to lead; and yet,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We try!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We try. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to equip you, ladies, to know how to encourage your husband in leading; and we\u2019re going to encourage the men to better lead. To do that, Tim Witmer joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Tim, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks\u2014great to be with you again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim has written a book called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. That\u2019s what we\u2019re going to talk about\u2014about leading. He\u2019s a professor, a pastor\u2014been married to <em>his<\/em> Barbara since 1975. He has three adult children and four grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s the essence of leadership, as described by Jesus Christ? What should every woman and man know about leadership? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s very key for men, in particular, to understand that leadership is sacrificial leadership. This is the model that Christ has given for us\u2014that the one who wants to be first, must be last. <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not autocratic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s definitely not autocratic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not asking somebody to serve your needs; it\u2019s serving their needs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Exactly. So, for example, in Ephesians, Chapter 5, when Paul describes the role of the husband, he says that the husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for her. Now, this whole idea of being a servant leader is key to our leadership position\u2014really, anywhere in the Kingdom\u2014but particularly, in the home\u2014so that we have to be\u2014what I like to call\u2014loving leaders. That is demonstrated in the way we relate\u2014the way we communicate to our wives, in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, thinking about\u2014I guess I would ask your listeners to think, particularly the male listeners, \u201cHow do you communicate to your wives that they are the most important person in the world, to you?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned the submission passage in Ephesians, Chapter 5, verse 22. The verses that follow in verse 25 and following say, \u201cHusbands, <em>love<\/em> your wives\u2026\u201d There\u2019s the command. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201c\u2026as Christ<em> loved <\/em>the church and <em>gave<\/em> Himself up for her.\u201d It is our assignment. We have to give up our lives for our wives. That means, practically, doing it in every-day terms. Now, what I want to ask you\u2014you\u2019ve been married 37 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Now, you\u2019re putting me on the spot, for sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m going for the dirty stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Alright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You had to make some rookie mistakes when you didn\u2019t love your wife\u2014you didn\u2019t truly lead her in a sacrificial way. Would you be willing to share one of your rookie errors that occurred, early in your marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think that, early in my marriage I was probably not as sensitive to my wife\u2019s needs and concerns as I should have been. I certainly wasn\u2019t interested in praying with her, for sure; but I think that it\u2019s\u2014that was just an early challenge\u2014learning what it means to lead, learning what it means to be sacrificial. I mean, that\u2019s something that still\u2014my wife, as I like to say\u2014maybe, you would say this about your wife\u2014but I think my wife is the most selfless person, certainly, that I know. It\u2019s easy to take advantage of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe has a servant motor that runs all the time. Sometimes, I\u2019m perfectly satisfied to sit while she serves. I\u2019m trying to overcome that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, Tim, as I\u2019ve heard through the years, about this need to be a servant leader\u2014a sacrificial leader\u2014to die to self, to prefer others ahead of yourself\u2014here\u2019s how I got messed up on that. I got messed up in thinking that if I was deferring to what my wife wanted or what I presumed she wanted in any situation, then, I was doing my job as a husband. So, what wound up happening, for me, was instead of leading\u2014all I was doing was trying to defer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was thinking, \u201cIf I\u2019m sacrificing,\u201d\u2014if I\u2019m thinking, \u201cWell, I know what I want; but I\u2019ll die to self and I\u2019ll do what Mary Ann would want in this situation,\u201d that I was being what a husband\u2019s supposed to be. In the process, I wasn\u2019t stopping and asking the question: \u201cLord, what would You have us do? Lord, how should we go, as a family?\u201d Do you know what I\u2019m talking about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, I think that one of the blessings of marriage is God bringing together two people with different strengths and different weaknesses. A key to leadership is understanding your own weaknesses and how your wife complements them and vice-versa. When you yield to one another\u2019s strengths, and support one another\u2019s weaknesses that way\u2014that helps you walk through the difficult decisions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve never really had a time in our life where we\u2019ve had to\u2014where I, for example, had to put my foot down and say, \u201cWell, this is the way it\u2019s going to be.\u201d Rather, there has always been this conversation together. After the conversation, there is a mutually- agreeable decision, which I think is really good. Now, everybody hasn\u2019t had that experience; but I believe experiencing the strengths and weaknesses of one another is very important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, at some level, when you\u2019re talking about leadership\u2014you are talking about the responsibility for where you are going, and how you are getting there, and what you\u2019re going to do. It, ultimately, rests with us, as husbands; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And why is that\u2014biblically? Why is it that God has put that burden\u2014some people would say: \u201cOh! That is not a burden. That means that you get to make the decisions. That puts you in the driver seat,\u201d but there is a responsibility burden that comes with that. Why is that on us, as men? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, when Paul talks about this in Ephesians, Chapter 5, he reflects back to creation\u2014that man was created first\u2014but creation wasn\u2019t satisfactory until the female was created\u2014but she was created as a helper for him. She was created out of him; and then, Adam named her. So, God established this order, in creation itself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Genesis 3, when the Fall comes\u2014not only do we see the tendency of people to usurp authority that God has established\u2014but also, we see the tendency of those who have that responsibility to abrogate. That\u2019s the impact that we see. That\u2019s the push-me\/pull-you that we see\u2014not only in families\u2014but also, in culture, where there is a true misunderstanding of the very nature of authority. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>The way I like to say it is, \u201cThat as a Creator, God has taken the prerogative to identify the team captains in society, in civil government, in the church, in leadership, and also in the family, with the husband.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and it seems to me, Tim, that when men hear that\u2014that they kind of abuse or misuse their authority. You share a story about a tour guide in Israel, that\u2019s a great\u2014that\u2019s a great illustration of how we can confuse true shepherding leadership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. True shepherding leaders always lead from the front. I talk about this in the context of leading by example, which is absolutely crucial as we relate to our children, in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there was a person who was on a tour of Israel. The Israeli tour guide was telling the folks on the bus: \u201cNow, we\u2019re going into Bedouin country. Soon, you will see shepherds and flocks of sheep. What you\u2019ll always see is the shepherd is always leading from the front, always leading the flock.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, they travelled down the road for a few minutes. They looked out the window, and they saw a flock. There was man, behind the sheep, driving them along. The folks quickly called this to the attention of the tour guide. He stopped the bus. He got out, and he talked to the man. When the tour guide got back on the bus, he had a very sheepish grin on his face\u2014if you\u2019ll excuse the expression. He said: \u201cThat wasn\u2019t the shepherd. That was the butcher.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh my! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right! So, there truly is a difference. Sometimes, men can misconstrue the nature of leadership as being some authoritarian, autocratic\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cDo what I say;\u201d rather than, as we\u2019ve spoken earlier about, sacrificial, servant, loving leadership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve made a lot of mistakes in our marriage. I mean, far too many to admit here. It would take the rest of the broadcast and several other weeks to start admitting them, but I don\u2019t think I have ever pulled out the card where I\u2019ve told my wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cSubmit.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And really, if I\u2019m talking to a guy who is doing that or has done that, you really need to apologize. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> He needs to apologize, and he needs to repent. Also, not only apologizing on the horizontal level but also\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014repenting on the vertical level\u2014for misunderstanding and misapplying Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you\u2019re talking about repentance looking like\u2014first of all, having a change of mind\u2014that this is not the right way to be leading\u2014and then, secondly, having a change of behavior that follows that change of mind so that you\u2019re not being what Jesus described in Mark 10\u2014as the lording leader. \u201cThe rulers of the Gentiles,\u201d He said, \u201clord it over you. It should not be so with you;\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. And let me get back to that idea by way of an example. I grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania\u2014Amish country. My dad was rural mail carrier. He would go to work, six days a week. He had to be at the post office at 7 o\u2019clock in the morning. He worked until three. A couple of days a week, he did another job. So, if there was ever a guy who could have said: \u201cSunday is my day. I\u2019m not going to church,\u201d it would have been him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut no, every Saturday night, we heard the swish, swish, swish of shoes being shined because we knew we were going to church and Sunday school. Now, I\u2019ll tell you. I really regretted that and resented it, then, as a kid; but as I look back, it\u2019s such a great example to me of\u2014you know, men really show their families what\u2019s important by what they do\u2014not just by what they say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You make a point of that as you talk about the need for a leader to lead by example, not just by precept\u2014not just by word. In fact, you talk about a guy who was giving the wrong kind of example\u2014showing up at church\u2014looking one way, in the community\u2014but looking a different way, at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, that was a very sad situation to me. Of course, you can see it many times; but this man, in particular, was so enthusiastic about the church. He was very enthusiastic about my preaching\u2014which, of course, we always like; don\u2019t we? And yet, I always asked, \u201cWhy doesn\u2019t your family come along?\u201d I got the answer when I went to visit him in his home, one time; and I got to meet his family. It turns out that he was a very abusive husband and dad. Unfortunately, he died before his family could really embrace the Gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk to a wife who is married to an abusive man. He is misusing his responsibility, as a leader of the family; and he may be physically, emotionally, abusing her. What counsel would you bring to her? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I believe that in a most severe case, a wife has to protect herself\u2014and sometimes, may need to call in civil authorities for protection. I know that that is something that many resist; but in some ways\u2014in some cases\u2014that\u2019s the only time to get the attention of a husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> There definitely is a point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a point where you call the police or you call the sheriff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ephesians 5 teaches that a man is to be the head of his wife, but he\u2019s to do that as Christ did it. Christ never abused the Church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> He loved her to the point where he gave Himself for her. He was killed\u2014of course, rose again from the dead\u2014for our well-being. That\u2019s the attitude that a husband should have. I think that that\u2019s an absolute abuse of Scripture\u2014to take this wrong way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, Tim, just a few minutes ago, a new video series for men, <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>, a ten-part video series. There is a clip that I\u2019d like to play right here\u2014not, obviously, the video\u2014although, let\u2019s put it on the website, too, because I think some folks will want to pass this on to their friends\u2014but it\u2019s a piece done by a pastor, up in the Northwest. His name is Mark Driscoll. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this clip, he turns to the guys. Rather than spoil it\u2014this is some of the strongest exhortation I\u2019ve ever heard any pastor give any flock, under any circumstance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio clip from <em>Stepping Up<\/em>] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong> Some of you guys\u2014it\u2019s just so frustrating. Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014you\u2019ve still got your hands all over your girlfriend. Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014still, not praying with your wife! Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014you\u2019re still single and having sex! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you guys will even\u2014even as I\u2019m preaching this sermon\u2014some of you will be sitting next to your girlfriend, your fianc\u00e9, or your wife\u2014some of you guys have already given her <em>that look<\/em>: \u201cDon\u2019t cry. Don\u2019t let them know they\u2019re talking about me. Just hold it together.\u201d You\u2019ve already intimidated her, right here. Some of you have already whispered in her ear: \u201cI\u2019m sorry. I\u2019ll do better. Trust me. Let\u2019s just move on real quickly.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Yelling] How dare you!\u2014abusing a woman, neglecting a woman, being a coward, a fool! Who do you think you are?! You\u2019re not God! You\u2019re just a man! You\u2019re not an impressive man! You\u2019re not a responsible man! You\u2019re not a noble man! You\u2019re not a respectable man! You\u2019re not a responsible man, in any regard! I don\u2019t care how successful you are. In this area, if you are a failure, it clouds <em>all of your dignity<\/em>! It robs <em>all<\/em> of your masculinity! There is no excuse for any man, who claims the name of Christ, to treat a woman in a dishonorable, disrespectful way! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you, right now\u2014you guys will get all angry, \u201cOh, how dare he yell at me!\u201d That\u2019s the Holy Spirit telling you: \u201cIt\u2019s you! You change now, little boy.\u201d You change right now. You shut up. You grow up; and maybe, one day, you can love a woman. It\u2019s for men, not for boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose of you men, who are here, and your wives are suffering under your folly and failure, shame on you. Shame on you if you say you\u2019re a Christian, and shame on you if you\u2019ve been surrounded by good men and have pursued none of them. Shame on you if you show up to put communion in your hands\u2014representing the body and blood of your murdered Savior\u2014and then, go put them on your girlfriend, or download porn from the internet, or raise your hand in a threat to your wife. Shame on you! You guys are a joke. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are a handful of good men who are tired of picking up your mess. So, you step up. You shut up. You man up, and you use all of that anger you have toward me right now to repent. You do business with God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, as guys hear Mark Driscoll, in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series, with that kind of a challenge for them\u2014they\u2019re paying attention. And I hope\u2014I trust they\u2019re doing some self-examination\u2014some reflection. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim, I\u2019d just be curious\u2014if a guy recognizes: \u201cI\u2019ve not been the right kind of leader. I\u2019ve been too critical. I\u2019ve been harsh with my wife, with my kids. I\u2019ve been authoritarian. I\u2019ve been\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Abusive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \u201cAnd I want to be different than that. At the same time, I know I\u2019m supposed to lead. So, how do I turn things around in my home? How do I become a different guy? And then, how do I ever earn the privilege of being able to lead again?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think the key here is, again, to have that important conversation with one\u2019s spouse and to ask for forgiveness. Maybe, he\u2019s asked for forgiveness before. The key, this time, I think, is going to be to have that accountability\u2014to have someone come alongside him\u2014to meet with him on a weekly-basis to talk about this\u2014and understand it\u2019s going to be a slow-growth process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know\u2014the passage that precedes the command for men to love their wives and wives to submit to their husbands ends with this statement, \u201cSubmitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.\u201d There is a certain strength when men submit to other men, and bear their souls, and admit they\u2019ve got a struggle\u2014a challenge, a failure\u2014and they need help. That\u2019s the beginning, I think, of a repentant heart\u2014as we\u2019ve talked about earlier. It\u2019s the beginning of a man, ultimately, being instructed\u2014perhaps, by other men\u2014and knowing how to get it right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf there\u2019s a guy listening, right now, and saying, \u201cThat\u2019s me,\u201d first of all, you need to repent. Secondly, you need to get involved in a small group of men, where you\u2019re accountable\u2014where you are learning and growing about what it means to be a man, husband, and father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour book certainly does that\u2014<em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>\u2014but also, our new <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. I\u2019m telling you\u2014a lot of men are finding it to be very practical, very helpful. It helps facilitate the accountability because it has a workbook that each man has who goes through it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just appreciate you, Tim, being on the broadcast this week. Thank you for writing your book and for exhorting men to fulfill their responsibility, as leaders, because there is not enough of that taking place today. I\u2019m just grateful for your courage, and for sticking to the Scriptures, and calling men to do what is right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks. It\u2019s been a great privilege to be with you this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we\u2019re hoping that a lot of guys will get copies of your book, which is called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. Maybe, get a group of guys together this summer and go through it. Take a chapter each week and work your way through the book, and just pass it around. Let different guys lead. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. So, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em> by Tim Witmer. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you\u2019d like to order by phone. The number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention that we\u2019ve got copies of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book,<em> Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. Our team has decided that, here in advance of Father\u2019s Day, we will send you a copy of this hardback book, free. All you have to do is cover the cost of the postage and the handling, and we\u2019ll send you the book. Along with the book, we will send you a DVD that includes all of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> ten-week series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event resource. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat way, you get a chance to look over what we\u2019ve included in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014maybe, get a group of guys together and just watch the DVD. Then, you guys can decide if you want to go through the whole ten-week series or if you want to plan a one-day event for other guys at your church. But the deal is\u2014the book and the DVD come to you free\u2014all you have to do is cover the cost of the postage and the handling. So, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, with sampler DVD; or call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY, and we\u2019ll get Dennis\u2019s book and the DVD out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we wrap up this week, thanks to all of you who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks to our Legacy Partners\u2014those of you who help provide financial support each month. We really appreciate you and those of you who get in touch with us, from time to time, to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We always love hearing from you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>In fact, this week, when you make a donation, we\u2019d love to send you, as a thank-you gift, a CD\u2014a message from Dennis Rainey about how dads can more effectively guide their children\u2014especially, during the adolescent years. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation over the phone. Just ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey when you get in touch with us. Again, thanks for your partnership. We appreciate your support of this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk to a couple of guys who understand the dynamics as men huddle up with other men\u2014who understand what it takes to get guys to be real with other guys. We\u2019ll talk more about that on Monday. Hope you can tune in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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If there was ever a guy who could have said: \u201cSunday is my day. I\u2019m not going to church,\u201d it would have been him; but no, every Saturday night we heard the swish, swish, swish of shoes being shined because we knew we were going to church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, men really show their families what\u2019s important by what they do, not just by what they say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, June 7<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We\u2019ll talk, today, about how important it is for a father to instruct his children; but how much more important it is for him to live consistently in front of them. Stay tuned. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks for joining us. You know, we have this recurring joke around our house. I\u2019ve shared this at some our FamilyLife events. I say\u2014and Mary Ann would say, as well\u2014that she wants me to take the lead in our marriage and in our relationship, as long as how I lead is exactly what\u2014[Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Why did I start laughing?\u2014because I could fill in the blank. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The way that I\u2019ve illustrated this is\u2014I\u2019ll come and say: \u201cYou know what? Let\u2019s go out and eat tonight.\u201d I\u2019ll say: \u201cWe\u2019ll go out and get something to eat. Where would you like to go?\u201d She goes: \u201cI don\u2019t care. You pick.\u201d I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, let\u2019s do Chinese.\u201d She\u2019ll go, \u201cNo, I\u2019m not feeling Chinese\u2014something else.\u201d I said, \u201cOkay, what sounds good to you?\u201d \u201cI don\u2019t know what sounds good. Pick something.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, see, in our house\u2014see, you\u2019re much more generous with Mary Ann than I am with Barbara\u2014because I come home; and I say, \u201cWhat would you like for me to fix\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cto cook for you, tonight?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cfor you tonight, Sweetheart?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And she says? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> She goes, \u201cI don\u2019t care.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, here we are, as men. We feel some responsibility to lead; and yet,\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We try!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We try. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re going to equip you, ladies, to know how to encourage your husband in leading; and we\u2019re going to encourage the men to better lead. To do that, Tim Witmer joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Tim, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks\u2014great to be with you again. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim has written a book called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. That\u2019s what we\u2019re going to talk about\u2014about leading. He\u2019s a professor, a pastor\u2014been married to <em>his<\/em> Barbara since 1975. He has three adult children and four grandchildren. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat\u2019s the essence of leadership, as described by Jesus Christ? What should every woman and man know about leadership? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s very key for men, in particular, to understand that leadership is sacrificial leadership. This is the model that Christ has given for us\u2014that the one who wants to be first, must be last. <br><br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not autocratic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s definitely not autocratic. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s not asking somebody to serve your needs; it\u2019s serving their needs. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Exactly. So, for example, in Ephesians, Chapter 5, when Paul describes the role of the husband, he says that the husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for her. Now, this whole idea of being a servant leader is key to our leadership position\u2014really, anywhere in the Kingdom\u2014but particularly, in the home\u2014so that we have to be\u2014what I like to call\u2014loving leaders. That is demonstrated in the way we relate\u2014the way we communicate to our wives, in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, thinking about\u2014I guess I would ask your listeners to think, particularly the male listeners, \u201cHow do you communicate to your wives that they are the most important person in the world, to you?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You mentioned the submission passage in Ephesians, Chapter 5, verse 22. The verses that follow in verse 25 and following say, \u201cHusbands, <em>love<\/em> your wives\u2026\u201d There\u2019s the command. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201c\u2026as Christ<em> loved <\/em>the church and <em>gave<\/em> Himself up for her.\u201d It is our assignment. We have to give up our lives for our wives. That means, practically, doing it in every-day terms. Now, what I want to ask you\u2014you\u2019ve been married 37 years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Now, you\u2019re putting me on the spot, for sure. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019m going for the dirty stuff. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Alright. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You had to make some rookie mistakes when you didn\u2019t love your wife\u2014you didn\u2019t truly lead her in a sacrificial way. Would you be willing to share one of your rookie errors that occurred, early in your marriage? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think that, early in my marriage I was probably not as sensitive to my wife\u2019s needs and concerns as I should have been. I certainly wasn\u2019t interested in praying with her, for sure; but I think that it\u2019s\u2014that was just an early challenge\u2014learning what it means to lead, learning what it means to be sacrificial. I mean, that\u2019s something that still\u2014my wife, as I like to say\u2014maybe, you would say this about your wife\u2014but I think my wife is the most selfless person, certainly, that I know. It\u2019s easy to take advantage of that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe has a servant motor that runs all the time. Sometimes, I\u2019m perfectly satisfied to sit while she serves. 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In the process, I wasn\u2019t stopping and asking the question: \u201cLord, what would You have us do? Lord, how should we go, as a family?\u201d Do you know what I\u2019m talking about? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, I think that one of the blessings of marriage is God bringing together two people with different strengths and different weaknesses. A key to leadership is understanding your own weaknesses and how your wife complements them and vice-versa. When you yield to one another\u2019s strengths, and support one another\u2019s weaknesses that way\u2014that helps you walk through the difficult decisions. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve never really had a time in our life where we\u2019ve had to\u2014where I, for example, had to put my foot down and say, \u201cWell, this is the way it\u2019s going to be.\u201d Rather, there has always been this conversation together. After the conversation, there is a mutually- agreeable decision, which I think is really good. Now, everybody hasn\u2019t had that experience; but I believe experiencing the strengths and weaknesses of one another is very important. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, at some level, when you\u2019re talking about leadership\u2014you are talking about the responsibility for where you are going, and how you are getting there, and what you\u2019re going to do. It, ultimately, rests with us, as husbands; right? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And why is that\u2014biblically? Why is it that God has put that burden\u2014some people would say: \u201cOh! That is not a burden. That means that you get to make the decisions. That puts you in the driver seat,\u201d but there is a responsibility burden that comes with that. Why is that on us, as men? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, when Paul talks about this in Ephesians, Chapter 5, he reflects back to creation\u2014that man was created first\u2014but creation wasn\u2019t satisfactory until the female was created\u2014but she was created as a helper for him. She was created out of him; and then, Adam named her. So, God established this order, in creation itself. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn Genesis 3, when the Fall comes\u2014not only do we see the tendency of people to usurp authority that God has established\u2014but also, we see the tendency of those who have that responsibility to abrogate. That\u2019s the impact that we see. That\u2019s the push-me\/pull-you that we see\u2014not only in families\u2014but also, in culture, where there is a true misunderstanding of the very nature of authority. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>The way I like to say it is, \u201cThat as a Creator, God has taken the prerogative to identify the team captains in society, in civil government, in the church, in leadership, and also in the family, with the husband.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes; and it seems to me, Tim, that when men hear that\u2014that they kind of abuse or misuse their authority. You share a story about a tour guide in Israel, that\u2019s a great\u2014that\u2019s a great illustration of how we can confuse true shepherding leadership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. True shepherding leaders always lead from the front. I talk about this in the context of leading by example, which is absolutely crucial as we relate to our children, in particular. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut there was a person who was on a tour of Israel. The Israeli tour guide was telling the folks on the bus: \u201cNow, we\u2019re going into Bedouin country. Soon, you will see shepherds and flocks of sheep. What you\u2019ll always see is the shepherd is always leading from the front, always leading the flock.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, they travelled down the road for a few minutes. They looked out the window, and they saw a flock. There was man, behind the sheep, driving them along. The folks quickly called this to the attention of the tour guide. He stopped the bus. He got out, and he talked to the man. When the tour guide got back on the bus, he had a very sheepish grin on his face\u2014if you\u2019ll excuse the expression. He said: \u201cThat wasn\u2019t the shepherd. That was the butcher.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh my! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right! So, there truly is a difference. Sometimes, men can misconstrue the nature of leadership as being some authoritarian, autocratic\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cDo what I say;\u201d rather than, as we\u2019ve spoken earlier about, sacrificial, servant, loving leadership. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I\u2019ve made a lot of mistakes in our marriage. I mean, far too many to admit here. It would take the rest of the broadcast and several other weeks to start admitting them, but I don\u2019t think I have ever pulled out the card where I\u2019ve told my wife\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014\u201cSubmit.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And really, if I\u2019m talking to a guy who is doing that or has done that, you really need to apologize. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> He needs to apologize, and he needs to repent. Also, not only apologizing on the horizontal level but also\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> \u2014repenting on the vertical level\u2014for misunderstanding and misapplying Scripture. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you\u2019re talking about repentance looking like\u2014first of all, having a change of mind\u2014that this is not the right way to be leading\u2014and then, secondly, having a change of behavior that follows that change of mind so that you\u2019re not being what Jesus described in Mark 10\u2014as the lording leader. \u201cThe rulers of the Gentiles,\u201d He said, \u201clord it over you. It should not be so with you;\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right. And let me get back to that idea by way of an example. I grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania\u2014Amish country. My dad was rural mail carrier. He would go to work, six days a week. He had to be at the post office at 7 o\u2019clock in the morning. He worked until three. A couple of days a week, he did another job. So, if there was ever a guy who could have said: \u201cSunday is my day. I\u2019m not going to church,\u201d it would have been him. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut no, every Saturday night, we heard the swish, swish, swish of shoes being shined because we knew we were going to church and Sunday school. Now, I\u2019ll tell you. I really regretted that and resented it, then, as a kid; but as I look back, it\u2019s such a great example to me of\u2014you know, men really show their families what\u2019s important by what they do\u2014not just by what they say. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You make a point of that as you talk about the need for a leader to lead by example, not just by precept\u2014not just by word. In fact, you talk about a guy who was giving the wrong kind of example\u2014showing up at church\u2014looking one way, in the community\u2014but looking a different way, at home. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, that was a very sad situation to me. Of course, you can see it many times; but this man, in particular, was so enthusiastic about the church. He was very enthusiastic about my preaching\u2014which, of course, we always like; don\u2019t we? And yet, I always asked, \u201cWhy doesn\u2019t your family come along?\u201d I got the answer when I went to visit him in his home, one time; and I got to meet his family. It turns out that he was a very abusive husband and dad. Unfortunately, he died before his family could really embrace the Gospel. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talk to a wife who is married to an abusive man. He is misusing his responsibility, as a leader of the family; and he may be physically, emotionally, abusing her. What counsel would you bring to her? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I believe that in a most severe case, a wife has to protect herself\u2014and sometimes, may need to call in civil authorities for protection. I know that that is something that many resist; but in some ways\u2014in some cases\u2014that\u2019s the only time to get the attention of a husband. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> There definitely is a point. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a point where you call the police or you call the sheriff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Ephesians 5 teaches that a man is to be the head of his wife, but he\u2019s to do that as Christ did it. Christ never abused the Church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> He loved her to the point where he gave Himself for her. He was killed\u2014of course, rose again from the dead\u2014for our well-being. That\u2019s the attitude that a husband should have. I think that that\u2019s an absolute abuse of Scripture\u2014to take this wrong way. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, Tim, just a few minutes ago, a new video series for men, <em>Stepping Up<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup>, a ten-part video series. There is a clip that I\u2019d like to play right here\u2014not, obviously, the video\u2014although, let\u2019s put it on the website, too, because I think some folks will want to pass this on to their friends\u2014but it\u2019s a piece done by a pastor, up in the Northwest. His name is Mark Driscoll. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn this clip, he turns to the guys. Rather than spoil it\u2014this is some of the strongest exhortation I\u2019ve ever heard any pastor give any flock, under any circumstance. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Audio clip from <em>Stepping Up<\/em>] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong> Some of you guys\u2014it\u2019s just so frustrating. Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014you\u2019ve still got your hands all over your girlfriend. Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014still, not praying with your wife! Some of you guys have been coming here <em>for years<\/em>\u2014you\u2019re still single and having sex! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you guys will even\u2014even as I\u2019m preaching this sermon\u2014some of you will be sitting next to your girlfriend, your fianc\u00e9, or your wife\u2014some of you guys have already given her <em>that look<\/em>: \u201cDon\u2019t cry. Don\u2019t let them know they\u2019re talking about me. Just hold it together.\u201d You\u2019ve already intimidated her, right here. Some of you have already whispered in her ear: \u201cI\u2019m sorry. I\u2019ll do better. Trust me. Let\u2019s just move on real quickly.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Yelling] How dare you!\u2014abusing a woman, neglecting a woman, being a coward, a fool! Who do you think you are?! You\u2019re not God! You\u2019re just a man! You\u2019re not an impressive man! You\u2019re not a responsible man! You\u2019re not a noble man! You\u2019re not a respectable man! You\u2019re not a responsible man, in any regard! I don\u2019t care how successful you are. In this area, if you are a failure, it clouds <em>all of your dignity<\/em>! It robs <em>all<\/em> of your masculinity! There is no excuse for any man, who claims the name of Christ, to treat a woman in a dishonorable, disrespectful way! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you, right now\u2014you guys will get all angry, \u201cOh, how dare he yell at me!\u201d That\u2019s the Holy Spirit telling you: \u201cIt\u2019s you! You change now, little boy.\u201d You change right now. You shut up. You grow up; and maybe, one day, you can love a woman. It\u2019s for men, not for boys. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThose of you men, who are here, and your wives are suffering under your folly and failure, shame on you. Shame on you if you say you\u2019re a Christian, and shame on you if you\u2019ve been surrounded by good men and have pursued none of them. Shame on you if you show up to put communion in your hands\u2014representing the body and blood of your murdered Savior\u2014and then, go put them on your girlfriend, or download porn from the internet, or raise your hand in a threat to your wife. Shame on you! You guys are a joke. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are a handful of good men who are tired of picking up your mess. So, you step up. You shut up. You man up, and you use all of that anger you have toward me right now to repent. You do business with God! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, as guys hear Mark Driscoll, in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series, with that kind of a challenge for them\u2014they\u2019re paying attention. And I hope\u2014I trust they\u2019re doing some self-examination\u2014some reflection. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim, I\u2019d just be curious\u2014if a guy recognizes: \u201cI\u2019ve not been the right kind of leader. I\u2019ve been too critical. I\u2019ve been harsh with my wife, with my kids. I\u2019ve been authoritarian. I\u2019ve been\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Abusive. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. \u201cAnd I want to be different than that. At the same time, I know I\u2019m supposed to lead. So, how do I turn things around in my home? How do I become a different guy? And then, how do I ever earn the privilege of being able to lead again?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think the key here is, again, to have that important conversation with one\u2019s spouse and to ask for forgiveness. Maybe, he\u2019s asked for forgiveness before. The key, this time, I think, is going to be to have that accountability\u2014to have someone come alongside him\u2014to meet with him on a weekly-basis to talk about this\u2014and understand it\u2019s going to be a slow-growth process. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know\u2014the passage that precedes the command for men to love their wives and wives to submit to their husbands ends with this statement, \u201cSubmitting to one another out of reverence for Christ.\u201d There is a certain strength when men submit to other men, and bear their souls, and admit they\u2019ve got a struggle\u2014a challenge, a failure\u2014and they need help. That\u2019s the beginning, I think, of a repentant heart\u2014as we\u2019ve talked about earlier. It\u2019s the beginning of a man, ultimately, being instructed\u2014perhaps, by other men\u2014and knowing how to get it right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf there\u2019s a guy listening, right now, and saying, \u201cThat\u2019s me,\u201d first of all, you need to repent. Secondly, you need to get involved in a small group of men, where you\u2019re accountable\u2014where you are learning and growing about what it means to be a man, husband, and father. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour book certainly does that\u2014<em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>\u2014but also, our new <em>Stepping Up<\/em> video series. I\u2019m telling you\u2014a lot of men are finding it to be very practical, very helpful. It helps facilitate the accountability because it has a workbook that each man has who goes through it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just appreciate you, Tim, being on the broadcast this week. Thank you for writing your book and for exhorting men to fulfill their responsibility, as leaders, because there is not enough of that taking place today. I\u2019m just grateful for your courage, and for sticking to the Scriptures, and calling men to do what is right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks. It\u2019s been a great privilege to be with you this week. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and we\u2019re hoping that a lot of guys will get copies of your book, which is called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. Maybe, get a group of guys together this summer and go through it. Take a chapter each week and work your way through the book, and just pass it around. Let different guys lead. We\u2019ve got copies of the book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center. So, you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em> by Tim Witmer. Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com; or call if you\u2019d like to order by phone. The number is 1-800-FL-TODAY. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention that we\u2019ve got copies of Dennis Rainey\u2019s book,<em> Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em>. Our team has decided that, here in advance of Father\u2019s Day, we will send you a copy of this hardback book, free. All you have to do is cover the cost of the postage and the handling, and we\u2019ll send you the book. Along with the book, we will send you a DVD that includes all of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> ten-week series and the first half of Session One from the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> one-day event resource. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat way, you get a chance to look over what we\u2019ve included in the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> series\u2014maybe, get a group of guys together and just watch the DVD. Then, you guys can decide if you want to go through the whole ten-week series or if you want to plan a one-day event for other guys at your church. But the deal is\u2014the book and the DVD come to you free\u2014all you have to do is cover the cost of the postage and the handling. So, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request Dennis Rainey\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, with sampler DVD; or call us at 1-800-FL-TODAY, and we\u2019ll get Dennis\u2019s book and the DVD out to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, as we wrap up this week, thanks to all of you who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Thanks to our Legacy Partners\u2014those of you who help provide financial support each month. We really appreciate you and those of you who get in touch with us, from time to time, to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. We always love hearing from you, as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>In fact, this week, when you make a donation, we\u2019d love to send you, as a thank-you gift, a CD\u2014a message from Dennis Rainey about how dads can more effectively guide their children\u2014especially, during the adolescent years. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, click the button that says, \u201cI CARE,\u201d to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation over the phone. Just ask for the CD from Dennis Rainey when you get in touch with us. Again, thanks for your partnership. We appreciate your support of this ministry. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>And we hope you have a great weekend. Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend. And I hope you can join us back on Monday. We\u2019re going to talk to a couple of guys who understand the dynamics as men huddle up with other men\u2014who understand what it takes to get guys to be real with other guys. We\u2019ll talk more about that on Monday. Hope you can tune in. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. 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