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That means the conversation had better go deeper than just, \u201cHow was your day?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>What has happened is that, many times, our conversations sit on just superficial matters that need to be addressed\u2014for example: \u201cWhat time are you getting home from work?\u201d \u201cWhat are we having for dinner?\u201d\u2014things like that. But we need to remember that to truly refresh our knowledge of one another, we need to go deeper than that. We need to find out what our wife\u2019s greatest frustration is, at the moment. Maybe, it\u2019s me! I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But if that\u2019s me, I had better find out! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat is she struggling with the most?\u201d \u201cWhat is her greatest concern for the children?\u201d Maybe, one of the best ways to get to that is to sincerely and honestly\u2014looking straight into her eyes\u2014ask her, \u201cHow can I be praying for you?\u201d That tends to go below the surface. Those kinds of conversations, of depth, need to be advanced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, June 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Healthy communication between a husband and wife is just one of the ways that a man can be more effective as a spiritual leader in his home. We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Thanks for joining us. You know, I think most of us, as men, kind of assume our responsibilities instinctively more than directionally; don\u2019t you? I mean, few of us have had a road map laid out for us. We just kind of look around\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, men are notorious for heading off in a direction\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Without asking for directions! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014without looking at the map. It\u2019s true, not only in driving a car, but also in life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. As a result, a lot of guys wind up trying to live out their responsibilities, as men, and they are lost. They don\u2019t know who to stop and ask directions from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I agree with you. In fact, I wish, when I had Ashley\u2014our first-born daughter\u2014placed in our arms\u2014that I would have had our guest on today\u2019s broadcast. I wish I would have had his book placed in my hands, as well, because it outlines kind of the map that you\u2019re talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re presuming that he would have been smart enough, back then, to have given you any good advice. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, he wasn\u2019t married back then, so\u2014anyway, Timothy Witmer joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Tim, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks. It\u2019s great to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim is a professor at Westminster Theological Seminary. He is a pastor of Crossroads Community Church in Philadelphia. Share with our listeners how many countries are represented at your church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> We have first-generation immigrants from 21 countries, now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s awesome!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. A couple of weeks ago, we received twelve new members from five new countries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, you would have to say, though, wouldn\u2019t you, that people from every country have the same problem, in terms of understanding kind of the map of how men need to lead and be the shepherds of their families?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely! Everybody needs to know the Creator\u2019s purpose for their roles in the family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As a result, you have written a book called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. In the book, you talk about how Jesus modeled four components of being a shepherd leader.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right. First, a shepherd knows his sheep. Jesus said, \u201cI know My sheep, and My sheep know Me.\u201d Also, providing for the sheep\u2014Jesus Christ made the greatest provision of all, for us, in giving His life for us. And leading\u2014you know, the Great Shepherd Psalm says, \u201cHe leads me in green pastures.\u201d Also, protecting\u2014Jesus saves us from the greatest danger of all by saving us from the penalty for our sins. The metaphor of shepherding for leadership is obviously fulfilled in Christ completely; but then, serves, as an assistance, to help us, as leaders, in the home to know what we should be doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me ask you, because a mom might be listening and thinking: \u201cWell, I have a responsibility to know my kids, and to lead them, and to protect them, and to help provide for them. Why is this uniquely a male calling or in what way is it, especially, a male calling?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think, often, men are concerned about what their calling to be the leaders in the home looks like. I think that when you look at that, those roles and those functions are clearly to be manifested in the men. Obviously, there\u2019s going to be support coming from the wife in all of these things; but the man needs to take them seriously, as the leader in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying that a guy bears the mantel of responsibility for the direction his family is headed. His wife shares that with him. She\u2019s to be an advisor, a counterpart, a helpmate, a communicator of needs that she sees. Barbara and I, for a number of years, had a date night. We would go out; and a good bit of that date night was spent on her downloading to me, really, what was going on with the kids. I had seen some things; she had seen some things\u2014we were comparing notes. As a result, that enabled me, as a father, to better lead our family. That\u2019s what you\u2019re saying; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. It is a partnership, for sure. The respective strengths that we bring to our marriages are displayed as we seek to guide our families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But your book has men in mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s who you wrote it for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It is written for dads and husbands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you\u2019re talking about a man being a shepherd leader\u2014first of all, let me ask you, \u201cWhere were you on this assignment, back 37 years ago, when you first got married?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> [Laughing] Oh, I was on a steep learning curve for me because I was a relatively new believer, myself. As I like to say, \u201cThose who write such books could easily confess that, \u2018We\u2019re no experts,\u2019\u201d\u2014completely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like the young man who\u2014before he got married, had a lecture called \u201cThe Ten Commandments for Parents\u201d. Then, after he got married and had a child\u2014he said \u201cFive Principles for Parenting\u201d. [Laughter] Then, after he had three or four kids\u2014he said, \u201cA Few Suggestions about Parenting\u201d. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you know, it\u2019s been that learning curve for me. Obviously, the longer I\u2019ve grown in my understanding of biblical teaching\u2014coupled with the hard road of successes and failures in family life, myself\u2014it has been a great opportunity for me to communicate some of those things in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me ask you what you think your default was, as a young husband and father, without a biblical framework. What were you just going to do naturally?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think the default is what we learned in our own families of origin. I was imitating what I saw my dad do\u2014which, for me, was good because he was a Christian. He wasn\u2019t very strongly-steeped, I would say, in biblical principles; but my default was definitely treating my wife the way he treated my mother and reacting to my children the way he reacted to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was missing from your default? Were you just kind of doing the minimum?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. I would say that what was necessary was for me to grow in my understanding of the biblical principles to help apply them in my respective relationships with my wife and my children, when they came along. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had some sense that, \u201cThere\u2019s something I ought to doing here;\u201d but you kind of weren\u2019t sure how to put shape to that; is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Where would a young man go, who wants to become skilled? I\u2019m looking at the Scriptures here\u2014Psalm 78, verse 72, has always been a passage that has instructed me, as a dad. The Psalmist writes, \u201cWith upright heart, he shepherded them and guided them with his skillful hand.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The key word in this, for me\u2014obviously, you\u2019ve got to be a model. You\u2019ve got to have integrity. That\u2019s a key part of being a shepherd\u2014but you have to have the skills. That\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about here\u2014having the skill-set, as a dad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere\u2019s a young man to go to get the skills? He can get your book. Obviously, he can read the Scriptures. What are some practical things he can do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s very important to be gathering together with other men, who are standing together and trying to equip themselves with these principles in family living. I think what that includes is not only growing in those principles you are talking about, but also the accountability to move forward. I think, in a ministry like that\u2014in many churches, for example\u2014there is going to be older, more experienced men\u2014hopefully, who are working with the younger men\u2014to provide mentorship and examples as they seek to grow; for example, in learning how to provide for their families spiritually and materially.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Many of our listeners are going to have no idea where this illustration comes from, but I think both of you will recall how Groucho Marx was a TV personality and had this game show. I forget\u2014what was it? Do you remember the name of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes! \u201cYou bet your life\u201d\u2014[mimicking Groucho\u2019s voice]\u2014\u201cYou say the secret word\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cYou say the secret word,\u201d and out of the ceiling\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Groucho\u2019s voice] \u201cThe duck drops down and, you win fifty dollahs\u2014fifty dollahs when the duck drops down!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly! You know what? You just said the magic words, Tim: \u201cAccountability\u201d, \u201cgroup of men\u201d, studying the Scriptures\u2014talking about what it means to shepherd their family\u2014because FamilyLife just spent months coming up with a small-group video series called <em>Stepping Up<\/em>: <em>A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup><em>. <\/em>It has ten parts to it. It is an edgy video\u2014thirty minutes long. Every guy gets a workbook. Every guy interacts with what they\u2019ve seen on the video; and then, they interact with the other guys\u2014talking about, \u201cHow do you do this in your marriage and in your family, as a man?\u201d Because if there\u2019s ever been a time when men needed other men in a spiritual setting\u2014to be stimulated to shepherd their families with skillful hands\u2014it\u2019s today!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I think the question is, \u201cWhy do we need other guys?\u201d I can watch the videos and go through the workbook on my own. I can read your book on my own. You start off by saying, \u201cI think you need accountability in other guys.\u201d Why don\u2019t I just do this as a solo deal?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, because we\u2019re fallen, sinful human beings. We need that accountability, and we also need encouragement to continue on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I would say a lot of guys suffer in isolation\u2014thinking that they\u2019re the only man who ever failed at this, the only man who was lost and afraid to admit it, the only man who didn\u2019t know what to do next, the only man who didn\u2019t know how to pray with his wife, how to pray with his kids, how to lead his family, spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI find that, within men today\u2014and, as far as that goes, with wives and moms, as well\u2014they want to do what\u2019s right. They want to lead their families. They just don\u2019t know <em>how <\/em>and where to go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think guys are really interested in sitting around with a group of guys and saying, \u201cBoy, I\u2019m really blowing it here!\u201d? Don\u2019t we, as guys, want to hide any failings we\u2019ve got?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think we do. No doubt about it. I think we do want to hide. We don\u2019t want to admit that we may not have it all together. But, I think, after Session Three, in this new <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, the guards begin to get dropped\u2014guys begin to get honest. When guys get honest, that\u2019s when God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, and through the Scriptures, can begin to redirect a guy and give him hope to be able to lead his family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I agree with you. I think that men really want to work together on this. A couple of months ago, I started a series on the family\u2014working through some of the material in the book. As I was teaching it, I felt this burden that preachers often feel: \u201cOh, I\u2019m dumping a lot of stuff on them here. How am I going to help these guys?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> So, I just said: \u201cHere\u2019s what I\u2019m going to do. Next week, during the Sunday school hour, we\u2019re just going to meet together. We\u2019re going to work through my book, chapter by chapter.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I had no idea how many were going to show up. Well, in our church, 30 men showed up during the Sunday school hour. That was very, very encouraging because I do think men want to have encouragement in these areas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, as you\u2019re sitting down with young guys, who are saying: \u201cOkay, we are ready for a map. We know that we would benefit from some directions,\u201d do you start them with the idea that: \u201cYou need to know your flock. You need to understand their condition\u201d\u2014that, as a shepherd, that\u2019s the beginning point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. The relational dynamic is absolutely crucial in every kind of ministry context, as you know. For leaders in the church, they have to know the sheep; and the sheep have to know them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe same dynamic carries over into our relationship with our wives. Just think about\u2014for me, when I was dating Barb\u2014I was always there. I was always at her house. It was to the point where\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have to be told to go over there; did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No, I didn\u2019t have to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a reason you were going over there!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I was there! She was gorgeous, and she still is! So, I wanted to be there. It was amazing how many hours we would sit there and just talk. It got so bad that a couple of my friends came to me one day and said: \u201cHey, Tim. We\u2019re really upset that you don\u2019t spend any more time with us.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m with Barb; and that\u2019s where I want to be.\u201d But sometimes, life gets in the way, and we have to reprioritize those kinds of conversations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You talk about this in terms of men having presence\u2014being there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the ways that you have <em>been there<\/em> is by going to a cabin that kind of sounds prehistoric, frankly, Tim. [Laughter] It\u2019s called \u201cAunt Nettie\u2019s Cabin\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Aunt Nettie\u2019s is a little house, up in the woods, that my parents started renting in 1947. I went there as a little boy, and my kids went there as kids. Now, my grandkids are going there with us. What that has always provided is just that quality time of being together and having conversations. There\u2019s no TV. There\u2019s no internet. There\u2019s no cell service. The opportunity to engage people in conversations\u2014on the back porch, overlooking this beautiful valley\u2014has been remarkably beneficial.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy kids\u2014my adult kids\u2014even though they live quite a distance now, make it a point to come and be there with us at least a couple of days. We go up every summer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, last year, after the holidays were over, I remember Mary Ann coming to me. Our kids had been home, and it had been a busy week. We were doing stuff\u2014going here and going there, activities, keeping it all together. When they left\u2014or I think it was before they left\u2014Mary Ann came to me; and she just said, \u201cI miss you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking: \u201cI\u2019ve been home all week. We\u2019ve been doing stuff.\u201d First, I\u2019m feeling like: \u201cOkay! What have I done wrong this time?\u201d [Laughter] Right? I mean, that\u2019s just the feeling you get. But here was a wife, saying, \u201cWe haven\u2019t had that time that we get\u2014where it\u2019s just you and me\u2014and we\u2019re talking about life.\u201d She said, \u201cWe\u2019ve been busy\u2014too busy for us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s part of what a husband\u2014we may not lock in on that right away, as men, and go, \u201cThat\u2019s important for us, in a relationship\u201d\u2014but it\u2019s important for our wives. If we\u2019re going to be shepherds, it had better be important for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. I think what has happened is that, many times, our conversations sit on just superficial matters that need to be addressed\u2014for example: \u201cWhat time are you getting home from work?\u201d \u201cWhat are we having for dinner?\u201d\u2014things like that. But we need to remember that\u2014to truly refresh our knowledge of one another\u2014we need to go deeper than that. We need to find out what our wife\u2019s greatest frustration is, at the moment. Maybe, it\u2019s me! I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But if that\u2019s me, I had better find out! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat is she struggling with the most?\u201d \u201cWhat is her greatest concern for the children?\u201d Maybe, one of the best ways to get to that is to sincerely and honestly\u2014looking straight into her eyes\u2014ask her, \u201cHow can I be praying for you?\u201d That tends to go below the surface. Those kinds of conversations, of depth, need to be advanced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, Tim, as a man, there are a lot of guys, who would hear that\u2014and wives, who are listening right now, \u201cMy husband would be terrified because I would tell him! Then, what is he supposed to do with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe doesn\u2019t know it, but it\u2019s this simple: \u201cBarbara,\u201d\u2014<em>my<\/em> Barbara; not yours, by the way\u2014\u201cBarbara, what are your top three needs, right now?\u201d Then, pull out a piece of paper and just take notes\u2014on a 3x5 card\u2014just write them down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Stick them in your pocket. As you go through the day, pull out the 3x5 card. Say a prayer, on behalf of your wife, on those three needs. Then, perhaps, one day, grab her hand\u2014gently, by the way\u2014and say, \u201cSweetie, I want to pray for you and those three things that you shared with me.\u201d Prayer is nothing more than talking with God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s here. He wants us to practice His presence. He wants us to bring our cares\u2014our concerns, our wife\u2019s needs\u2014before Him. I want to tell you\u2014there are a lot of wives, who are listening right now, who would melt into a puddle if their husbands would exhibit\u2014and it doesn\u2019t have to be sky-scraping, galaxy-moving prayers! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s just a basic prayer, on behalf of another person\u2014bringing them to the Father and saying\u2014\u201cGod, You know my wife. You know she\u2019s struggling here. Would You minister to her? Would You encourage her in this area? Would You help her with this child or this husband?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know, I think that what you\u2019ve said is very important in terms of the troubled disconnect that exists there. I think that wives can be praying for their husbands to be more responsive to them. What I\u2019m hoping that\u2014if a husband takes that 3x5 card\u2014which, I think, is a great idea\u2014and writes those things down\u2014hopefully, there are not only some things that he\u2019ll pray about but, also, some things that he can do on there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Likely, there are going to be some things on that list that he can do to help relieve the frustration in her life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, one of the things you recommend he can do is\u2014for them, as a couple\u2014is a family time. Explain what you mean by a family time and how that really helps a man shepherd his family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Research continues to show that family time\u2014at dinnertime, for example\u2014is extremely beneficial to the development of children. They\u2019re less likely to become addicted to drugs; they\u2019re more likely to be successful in school. This is the ideal time to set some time apart\u2014to engage a family, spiritually\u2014to take out the Scriptures, read a few verses, pray together, and have a conversation about God\u2019s truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, as your listeners are hearing this, they\u2019re thinking: \u201cHere we go again! I know I\u2019m supposed to be doing that.\u201d But I think it\u2019s important that we have realistic expectations of what that time could be. It\u2019s unrealistic for us to start saying, \u201cWell, I\u2019m going to have an hour of family worship every day.\u201d That\u2019s not realistic.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> But have something that\u2019s realistic\u2014that you can do consistently\u2014but something that also allows for flexibility in the lifestyles that we have today so that it doesn\u2019t become a cumbersome burden\u2014but it\u2019s something that you do often enough that your family members will be able to say, \u201cThis is something that we do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019m not suggesting that leadership and shepherding of your family is just one-minute long; but a number of years ago, there was a book called <em>The One-Minute Manager.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was the idea that you can do a lot in a minute, just by taking the initiative and giving direction. I would just encourage guys\u2014around the dinner table\u2014to do just what you\u2019re talking about. Don\u2019t try 15 minutes; don\u2019t try 30 minutes; don\u2019t try 45. You\u2019re going to be disappointed because they\u2019re going to flip the green beans or the peas across the table. They\u2019re going to be shooting pool with them. You\u2019ve got to do something really simple and provide some direction. Either read a Scripture or ask the whole family to pray for Mom\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or ask what the needs are, around the table. What we\u2019re talking about here is encouraging men to be shepherds of their families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, I want to encourage men, who are listening right now\u2014who are hungry to get better at this\u2014to think about\u2014well, not think about. I want to encourage you to go to our website and check out the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, and how you can get a ten-part video series to lead with a small group of men and begin to get men into that small group\u2014become accountable. You may meet for a while; and then, end up getting into Tim\u2019s book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe point is: Forge some meaningful friendships and accountability that has direction\u2014that\u2019s going somewhere and will equip you in life\u2019s most important relationships.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re hoping that, this summer, there would be a number of guys who would gather up with other guys and go through the material over the summer. The <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series is ten weeks\u2019 long. Guys could get together every week, for ten weeks over the summer, and get through the material; or you could make plans to host one of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>one-day events at your church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, our team is doing something, here for Father\u2019s Day\u2014that I thought was pretty cool. We\u2019re making available copies of your book, <em>Stepping Up, <\/em>along with a sampler DVD that includes the first session of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>DVD series and the first half-session of the live event DVD so that you can get a feel for what\u2019s included in these resources. You get the book and the sampler DVD at no cost. All you have to do is cover the cost for shipping and handling. We\u2019ll send the book out to you, along with the sampler DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em> and to get the sampler DVD, along with it. Again, we\u2019ll send it out to you at no cost. All you\u2019ll have to do is pay for the shipping and the handling, and we\u2019ll get it out to you. You can also request a copy of Tim Witmer\u2019s book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. We have copies of that book in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. That\u2019s a great book to take guys through, over the course of the summer, as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about both of these resources; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. Ask about the book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>, and about the book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood. <\/em>We\u2019ll get what you need sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to make sure we say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who, from time to time, will get in touch with us to help support this ministry with a contribution. We also want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to our regular Legacy Partners, those of you who are in touch with us, each month, to help provide the financial support we need. <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>is listener-supported. Without those contributions, we could not pay for the production and syndication of this radio program. 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That means the conversation had better go deeper than just, \u201cHow was your day?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim: <\/strong>What has happened is that, many times, our conversations sit on just superficial matters that need to be addressed\u2014for example: \u201cWhat time are you getting home from work?\u201d \u201cWhat are we having for dinner?\u201d\u2014things like that. But we need to remember that to truly refresh our knowledge of one another, we need to go deeper than that. We need to find out what our wife\u2019s greatest frustration is, at the moment. Maybe, it\u2019s me! I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But if that\u2019s me, I had better find out! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat is she struggling with the most?\u201d \u201cWhat is her greatest concern for the children?\u201d Maybe, one of the best ways to get to that is to sincerely and honestly\u2014looking straight into her eyes\u2014ask her, \u201cHow can I be praying for you?\u201d That tends to go below the surface. Those kinds of conversations, of depth, need to be advanced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Thursday, June 6<sup>th<\/sup>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine. Healthy communication between a husband and wife is just one of the ways that a man can be more effective as a spiritual leader in his home. We\u2019ll talk about that today. Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today. <\/em>Thanks for joining us. You know, I think most of us, as men, kind of assume our responsibilities instinctively more than directionally; don\u2019t you? I mean, few of us have had a road map laid out for us. We just kind of look around\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, men are notorious for heading off in a direction\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Without asking for directions! [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014without looking at the map. It\u2019s true, not only in driving a car, but also in life! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes. As a result, a lot of guys wind up trying to live out their responsibilities, as men, and they are lost. They don\u2019t know who to stop and ask directions from.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I agree with you. In fact, I wish, when I had Ashley\u2014our first-born daughter\u2014placed in our arms\u2014that I would have had our guest on today\u2019s broadcast. I wish I would have had his book placed in my hands, as well, because it outlines kind of the map that you\u2019re talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You\u2019re presuming that he would have been smart enough, back then, to have given you any good advice. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, he wasn\u2019t married back then, so\u2014anyway, Timothy Witmer joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Tim, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Thanks. It\u2019s great to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tim is a professor at Westminster Theological Seminary. He is a pastor of Crossroads Community Church in Philadelphia. Share with our listeners how many countries are represented at your church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> We have first-generation immigrants from 21 countries, now. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Wow!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s awesome!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. A couple of weeks ago, we received twelve new members from five new countries.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s great!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So, you would have to say, though, wouldn\u2019t you, that people from every country have the same problem, in terms of understanding kind of the map of how men need to lead and be the shepherds of their families?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely! Everybody needs to know the Creator\u2019s purpose for their roles in the family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As a result, you have written a book called <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. In the book, you talk about how Jesus modeled four components of being a shepherd leader.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes, that\u2019s right. First, a shepherd knows his sheep. Jesus said, \u201cI know My sheep, and My sheep know Me.\u201d Also, providing for the sheep\u2014Jesus Christ made the greatest provision of all, for us, in giving His life for us. And leading\u2014you know, the Great Shepherd Psalm says, \u201cHe leads me in green pastures.\u201d Also, protecting\u2014Jesus saves us from the greatest danger of all by saving us from the penalty for our sins. The metaphor of shepherding for leadership is obviously fulfilled in Christ completely; but then, serves, as an assistance, to help us, as leaders, in the home to know what we should be doing. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me ask you, because a mom might be listening and thinking: \u201cWell, I have a responsibility to know my kids, and to lead them, and to protect them, and to help provide for them. Why is this uniquely a male calling or in what way is it, especially, a male calling?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think, often, men are concerned about what their calling to be the leaders in the home looks like. I think that when you look at that, those roles and those functions are clearly to be manifested in the men. Obviously, there\u2019s going to be support coming from the wife in all of these things; but the man needs to take them seriously, as the leader in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You\u2019re saying that a guy bears the mantel of responsibility for the direction his family is headed. His wife shares that with him. She\u2019s to be an advisor, a counterpart, a helpmate, a communicator of needs that she sees. Barbara and I, for a number of years, had a date night. We would go out; and a good bit of that date night was spent on her downloading to me, really, what was going on with the kids. I had seen some things; she had seen some things\u2014we were comparing notes. As a result, that enabled me, as a father, to better lead our family. That\u2019s what you\u2019re saying; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. It is a partnership, for sure. The respective strengths that we bring to our marriages are displayed as we seek to guide our families.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But your book has men in mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That\u2019s who you wrote it for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It is written for dads and husbands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, when you\u2019re talking about a man being a shepherd leader\u2014first of all, let me ask you, \u201cWhere were you on this assignment, back 37 years ago, when you first got married?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> [Laughing] Oh, I was on a steep learning curve for me because I was a relatively new believer, myself. As I like to say, \u201cThose who write such books could easily confess that, \u2018We\u2019re no experts,\u2019\u201d\u2014completely!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> It\u2019s like the young man who\u2014before he got married, had a lecture called \u201cThe Ten Commandments for Parents\u201d. Then, after he got married and had a child\u2014he said \u201cFive Principles for Parenting\u201d. [Laughter] Then, after he had three or four kids\u2014he said, \u201cA Few Suggestions about Parenting\u201d. [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you know, it\u2019s been that learning curve for me. Obviously, the longer I\u2019ve grown in my understanding of biblical teaching\u2014coupled with the hard road of successes and failures in family life, myself\u2014it has been a great opportunity for me to communicate some of those things in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me ask you what you think your default was, as a young husband and father, without a biblical framework. What were you just going to do naturally?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, I think the default is what we learned in our own families of origin. I was imitating what I saw my dad do\u2014which, for me, was good because he was a Christian. He wasn\u2019t very strongly-steeped, I would say, in biblical principles; but my default was definitely treating my wife the way he treated my mother and reacting to my children the way he reacted to us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What was missing from your default? Were you just kind of doing the minimum?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes. I would say that what was necessary was for me to grow in my understanding of the biblical principles to help apply them in my respective relationships with my wife and my children, when they came along. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You had some sense that, \u201cThere\u2019s something I ought to doing here;\u201d but you kind of weren\u2019t sure how to put shape to that; is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Where would a young man go, who wants to become skilled? I\u2019m looking at the Scriptures here\u2014Psalm 78, verse 72, has always been a passage that has instructed me, as a dad. The Psalmist writes, \u201cWith upright heart, he shepherded them and guided them with his skillful hand.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The key word in this, for me\u2014obviously, you\u2019ve got to be a model. You\u2019ve got to have integrity. That\u2019s a key part of being a shepherd\u2014but you have to have the skills. That\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about here\u2014having the skill-set, as a dad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhere\u2019s a young man to go to get the skills? He can get your book. Obviously, he can read the Scriptures. What are some practical things he can do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I think it\u2019s very important to be gathering together with other men, who are standing together and trying to equip themselves with these principles in family living. I think what that includes is not only growing in those principles you are talking about, but also the accountability to move forward. I think, in a ministry like that\u2014in many churches, for example\u2014there is going to be older, more experienced men\u2014hopefully, who are working with the younger men\u2014to provide mentorship and examples as they seek to grow; for example, in learning how to provide for their families spiritually and materially.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Many of our listeners are going to have no idea where this illustration comes from, but I think both of you will recall how Groucho Marx was a TV personality and had this game show. I forget\u2014what was it? Do you remember the name of it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes! \u201cYou bet your life\u201d\u2014[mimicking Groucho\u2019s voice]\u2014\u201cYou say the secret word\u2014\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u201cYou say the secret word,\u201d and out of the ceiling\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [Groucho\u2019s voice] \u201cThe duck drops down and, you win fifty dollahs\u2014fifty dollahs when the duck drops down!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly! You know what? You just said the magic words, Tim: \u201cAccountability\u201d, \u201cgroup of men\u201d, studying the Scriptures\u2014talking about what it means to shepherd their family\u2014because FamilyLife just spent months coming up with a small-group video series called <em>Stepping Up<\/em>: <em>A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em><sup>\u2122<\/sup><em>. <\/em>It has ten parts to it. It is an edgy video\u2014thirty minutes long. Every guy gets a workbook. Every guy interacts with what they\u2019ve seen on the video; and then, they interact with the other guys\u2014talking about, \u201cHow do you do this in your marriage and in your family, as a man?\u201d Because if there\u2019s ever been a time when men needed other men in a spiritual setting\u2014to be stimulated to shepherd their families with skillful hands\u2014it\u2019s today!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I think the question is, \u201cWhy do we need other guys?\u201d I can watch the videos and go through the workbook on my own. I can read your book on my own. You start off by saying, \u201cI think you need accountability in other guys.\u201d Why don\u2019t I just do this as a solo deal?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Well, because we\u2019re fallen, sinful human beings. We need that accountability, and we also need encouragement to continue on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I would say a lot of guys suffer in isolation\u2014thinking that they\u2019re the only man who ever failed at this, the only man who was lost and afraid to admit it, the only man who didn\u2019t know what to do next, the only man who didn\u2019t know how to pray with his wife, how to pray with his kids, how to lead his family, spiritually.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI find that, within men today\u2014and, as far as that goes, with wives and moms, as well\u2014they want to do what\u2019s right. They want to lead their families. They just don\u2019t know <em>how <\/em>and where to go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think guys are really interested in sitting around with a group of guys and saying, \u201cBoy, I\u2019m really blowing it here!\u201d? Don\u2019t we, as guys, want to hide any failings we\u2019ve got?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think we do. No doubt about it. I think we do want to hide. We don\u2019t want to admit that we may not have it all together. But, I think, after Session Three, in this new <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, the guards begin to get dropped\u2014guys begin to get honest. When guys get honest, that\u2019s when God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, and through the Scriptures, can begin to redirect a guy and give him hope to be able to lead his family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I agree with you. I think that men really want to work together on this. A couple of months ago, I started a series on the family\u2014working through some of the material in the book. As I was teaching it, I felt this burden that preachers often feel: \u201cOh, I\u2019m dumping a lot of stuff on them here. How am I going to help these guys?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> So, I just said: \u201cHere\u2019s what I\u2019m going to do. Next week, during the Sunday school hour, we\u2019re just going to meet together. We\u2019re going to work through my book, chapter by chapter.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I had no idea how many were going to show up. Well, in our church, 30 men showed up during the Sunday school hour. That was very, very encouraging because I do think men want to have encouragement in these areas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, as you\u2019re sitting down with young guys, who are saying: \u201cOkay, we are ready for a map. We know that we would benefit from some directions,\u201d do you start them with the idea that: \u201cYou need to know your flock. You need to understand their condition\u201d\u2014that, as a shepherd, that\u2019s the beginning point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Absolutely. The relational dynamic is absolutely crucial in every kind of ministry context, as you know. For leaders in the church, they have to know the sheep; and the sheep have to know them. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe same dynamic carries over into our relationship with our wives. Just think about\u2014for me, when I was dating Barb\u2014I was always there. I was always at her house. It was to the point where\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You didn\u2019t have to be told to go over there; did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> No, I didn\u2019t have to\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There was a reason you were going over there!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> I was there! She was gorgeous, and she still is! So, I wanted to be there. It was amazing how many hours we would sit there and just talk. It got so bad that a couple of my friends came to me one day and said: \u201cHey, Tim. We\u2019re really upset that you don\u2019t spend any more time with us.\u201d I said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m with Barb; and that\u2019s where I want to be.\u201d But sometimes, life gets in the way, and we have to reprioritize those kinds of conversations.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You talk about this in terms of men having presence\u2014being there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the ways that you have <em>been there<\/em> is by going to a cabin that kind of sounds prehistoric, frankly, Tim. [Laughter] It\u2019s called \u201cAunt Nettie\u2019s Cabin\u201d.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Aunt Nettie\u2019s is a little house, up in the woods, that my parents started renting in 1947. I went there as a little boy, and my kids went there as kids. Now, my grandkids are going there with us. What that has always provided is just that quality time of being together and having conversations. There\u2019s no TV. There\u2019s no internet. There\u2019s no cell service. The opportunity to engage people in conversations\u2014on the back porch, overlooking this beautiful valley\u2014has been remarkably beneficial.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy kids\u2014my adult kids\u2014even though they live quite a distance now, make it a point to come and be there with us at least a couple of days. We go up every summer. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You know, last year, after the holidays were over, I remember Mary Ann coming to me. Our kids had been home, and it had been a busy week. We were doing stuff\u2014going here and going there, activities, keeping it all together. When they left\u2014or I think it was before they left\u2014Mary Ann came to me; and she just said, \u201cI miss you.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m thinking: \u201cI\u2019ve been home all week. We\u2019ve been doing stuff.\u201d First, I\u2019m feeling like: \u201cOkay! What have I done wrong this time?\u201d [Laughter] Right? I mean, that\u2019s just the feeling you get. But here was a wife, saying, \u201cWe haven\u2019t had that time that we get\u2014where it\u2019s just you and me\u2014and we\u2019re talking about life.\u201d She said, \u201cWe\u2019ve been busy\u2014too busy for us.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that\u2019s part of what a husband\u2014we may not lock in on that right away, as men, and go, \u201cThat\u2019s important for us, in a relationship\u201d\u2014but it\u2019s important for our wives. If we\u2019re going to be shepherds, it had better be important for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> That\u2019s right. I think what has happened is that, many times, our conversations sit on just superficial matters that need to be addressed\u2014for example: \u201cWhat time are you getting home from work?\u201d \u201cWhat are we having for dinner?\u201d\u2014things like that. But we need to remember that\u2014to truly refresh our knowledge of one another\u2014we need to go deeper than that. We need to find out what our wife\u2019s greatest frustration is, at the moment. Maybe, it\u2019s me! I don\u2019t know. [Laughter] But if that\u2019s me, I had better find out! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cWhat is she struggling with the most?\u201d \u201cWhat is her greatest concern for the children?\u201d Maybe, one of the best ways to get to that is to sincerely and honestly\u2014looking straight into her eyes\u2014ask her, \u201cHow can I be praying for you?\u201d That tends to go below the surface. Those kinds of conversations, of depth, need to be advanced.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But, Tim, as a man, there are a lot of guys, who would hear that\u2014and wives, who are listening right now, \u201cMy husband would be terrified because I would tell him! Then, what is he supposed to do with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe doesn\u2019t know it, but it\u2019s this simple: \u201cBarbara,\u201d\u2014<em>my<\/em> Barbara; not yours, by the way\u2014\u201cBarbara, what are your top three needs, right now?\u201d Then, pull out a piece of paper and just take notes\u2014on a 3x5 card\u2014just write them down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Stick them in your pocket. As you go through the day, pull out the 3x5 card. Say a prayer, on behalf of your wife, on those three needs. Then, perhaps, one day, grab her hand\u2014gently, by the way\u2014and say, \u201cSweetie, I want to pray for you and those three things that you shared with me.\u201d Prayer is nothing more than talking with God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He\u2019s here. He wants us to practice His presence. He wants us to bring our cares\u2014our concerns, our wife\u2019s needs\u2014before Him. I want to tell you\u2014there are a lot of wives, who are listening right now, who would melt into a puddle if their husbands would exhibit\u2014and it doesn\u2019t have to be sky-scraping, galaxy-moving prayers! \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It\u2019s just a basic prayer, on behalf of another person\u2014bringing them to the Father and saying\u2014\u201cGod, You know my wife. You know she\u2019s struggling here. Would You minister to her? Would You encourage her in this area? Would You help her with this child or this husband?\u201d [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> You know, I think that what you\u2019ve said is very important in terms of the troubled disconnect that exists there. I think that wives can be praying for their husbands to be more responsive to them. What I\u2019m hoping that\u2014if a husband takes that 3x5 card\u2014which, I think, is a great idea\u2014and writes those things down\u2014hopefully, there are not only some things that he\u2019ll pray about but, also, some things that he can do on there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Likely, there are going to be some things on that list that he can do to help relieve the frustration in her life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, one of the things you recommend he can do is\u2014for them, as a couple\u2014is a family time. Explain what you mean by a family time and how that really helps a man shepherd his family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Research continues to show that family time\u2014at dinnertime, for example\u2014is extremely beneficial to the development of children. They\u2019re less likely to become addicted to drugs; they\u2019re more likely to be successful in school. This is the ideal time to set some time apart\u2014to engage a family, spiritually\u2014to take out the Scriptures, read a few verses, pray together, and have a conversation about God\u2019s truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, as your listeners are hearing this, they\u2019re thinking: \u201cHere we go again! I know I\u2019m supposed to be doing that.\u201d But I think it\u2019s important that we have realistic expectations of what that time could be. It\u2019s unrealistic for us to start saying, \u201cWell, I\u2019m going to have an hour of family worship every day.\u201d That\u2019s not realistic.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> But have something that\u2019s realistic\u2014that you can do consistently\u2014but something that also allows for flexibility in the lifestyles that we have today so that it doesn\u2019t become a cumbersome burden\u2014but it\u2019s something that you do often enough that your family members will be able to say, \u201cThis is something that we do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, I\u2019m not suggesting that leadership and shepherding of your family is just one-minute long; but a number of years ago, there was a book called <em>The One-Minute Manager.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It was the idea that you can do a lot in a minute, just by taking the initiative and giving direction. I would just encourage guys\u2014around the dinner table\u2014to do just what you\u2019re talking about. Don\u2019t try 15 minutes; don\u2019t try 30 minutes; don\u2019t try 45. You\u2019re going to be disappointed because they\u2019re going to flip the green beans or the peas across the table. They\u2019re going to be shooting pool with them. You\u2019ve got to do something really simple and provide some direction. Either read a Scripture or ask the whole family to pray for Mom\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Tim:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014or ask what the needs are, around the table. What we\u2019re talking about here is encouraging men to be shepherds of their families. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob, I want to encourage men, who are listening right now\u2014who are hungry to get better at this\u2014to think about\u2014well, not think about. I want to encourage you to go to our website and check out the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series, and how you can get a ten-part video series to lead with a small group of men and begin to get men into that small group\u2014become accountable. You may meet for a while; and then, end up getting into Tim\u2019s book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe point is: Forge some meaningful friendships and accountability that has direction\u2014that\u2019s going somewhere and will equip you in life\u2019s most important relationships.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, we\u2019re hoping that, this summer, there would be a number of guys who would gather up with other guys and go through the material over the summer. The <em>Stepping Up <\/em>video series is ten weeks\u2019 long. Guys could get together every week, for ten weeks over the summer, and get through the material; or you could make plans to host one of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>one-day events at your church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, our team is doing something, here for Father\u2019s Day\u2014that I thought was pretty cool. We\u2019re making available copies of your book, <em>Stepping Up, <\/em>along with a sampler DVD that includes the first session of the <em>Stepping Up <\/em>DVD series and the first half-session of the live event DVD so that you can get a feel for what\u2019s included in these resources. You get the book and the sampler DVD at no cost. All you have to do is cover the cost for shipping and handling. We\u2019ll send the book out to you, along with the sampler DVD. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo to FamilyLifeToday.com to request Dennis\u2019s book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood<\/em> and to get the sampler DVD, along with it. Again, we\u2019ll send it out to you at no cost. All you\u2019ll have to do is pay for the shipping and the handling, and we\u2019ll get it out to you. You can also request a copy of Tim Witmer\u2019s book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>. We have copies of that book in our <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>Resource Center. That\u2019s a great book to take guys through, over the course of the summer, as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about both of these resources; or call, toll-free, 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d. Ask about the book, <em>The Shepherd Leader at Home<\/em>, and about the book, <em>Stepping Up: A Call to Courageous Manhood. <\/em>We\u2019ll get what you need sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, we want to make sure we say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to those of you who, from time to time, will get in touch with us to help support this ministry with a contribution. We also want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to our regular Legacy Partners, those of you who are in touch with us, each month, to help provide the financial support we need. <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>is listener-supported. Without those contributions, we could not pay for the production and syndication of this radio program. In a very real sense, you make the program possible; and we appreciate our partnership with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis month, when you make a donation, we\u2019d like to send you a message on CD from Dennis Rainey\u2014a message presented to a large group of guys, talking about the important role a dad plays in the life of his children\u2014especially, guiding them through the adolescent years. We\u2019ll be happy to send that CD out to you when you contact us to make a donation this month. Go to FamilyLifeToday.com and press the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, to make an online donation; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation over the phone. Ask for the CD from Dennis when you get in touch with us. Again, thanks for your support of the ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you\u2019ll be back with us again tomorrow. Tim Witmer is going to be here, and we\u2019re going to talk tomorrow about the important role a dad plays in modeling godly character for his children. I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I\u2019m Bob Lepine. We will see you back tomorrow for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today. Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you. However, there is a cost to produce them for our website. 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