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I agree with that.\"\u00a0 When is it really going to happen?\u00a0 Well, it's going to happen because we've got a mealtime\u2014Thursday night\u2014when the whole family is together.\u00a0 We've made a routine, now, that we're going to tell stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> And we actually do that almost every night because we all want to talk about our day.\u00a0 It's great, and it's easy.\u00a0 We've gotten to the point where people look at each other and they want to know, \"How was your day?\u201d \"How was your day?\"\u00a0 It's made our kids care about the other person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, December 28<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 If you need help with your family times together\u2014keeping them focused and on track\u2014stay tuned.\u00a0 Help is on the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 I know a lot of folks are out of their normal rhythm during this holiday week between Christmas and New Year\u2019s.\u00a0 There are a lot of folks who aren\u2019t going into work because they\u2019re either taking some vacation days or work just shut down for a few days.\u00a0 We have some of our team who actually wind up working some long hours these days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 The reason for that is because we\u2019re starting to get some envelopes in and starting to get some phone calls from folks, the last couple of days of the year.\u00a0 This is when folks often make that yearend decision about a contribution to a ministry like ours.\u00a0 We\u2019re hoping to hear from folks today, throughout the weekend, and next Monday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 About 60 percent of our annual giving that keeps <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on this station occurs in the month of December.\u00a0 If you\u2019ll take a look at FamilyLifeToday.com, you\u2019ll see a thermometer that represents a sizeable, substantial amount of money that has been brought forth as a match.\u00a0 A group of families has said, \u201cWe\u2019ll match every dollar, up to the total amount that\u2019s on the thermometer, throughout the month of December.\u201d\u00a0 But you have to get your gift in before December 31<sup>st<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ll notice, it\u2019s chilly on the thermometer.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 It\u2019s low.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been praying and asking God to raise up people who believe in what we\u2019re doing, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>,who say, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 You guys have helped me in my life\u2014as a single man, single woman, single parent, as a husband, a wife, a dad, a mom, a grandparent\u2014and we want to stand with you.\u00a0 We want to keep broadcasts like yours on the air every day, here on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we\u2019re listener-supported, which means that the cost of producing and syndicating this program\u2014if we don\u2019t hear from listeners, then we can\u2019t continue the program on our network of stations, all across the country.\u00a0 Because we\u2019ve seen a fall-off in the last several months, we have to look hard and say, \u201cWhat are we going to be able to do in 2013, related to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in terms of stations like this.\u00a0 You may say, \u201cDennis, I can\u2019t write a big check.\u201d\u00a0 I just want you to know that, over the years, it has been donors of all sizes\u2014who have given small gifts, medium-sized, and larger gifts\u2014who have said, \u201cYes!\u201d to keeping <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>coming so that you could enjoy it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ve never given, I\u2019d like to challenge you to help us take advantage of the match.\u00a0 Your dollar will be matched with a dollar.\u00a0\u00a0 So, if you give $25, that will become $50.\u00a0 If you give $50, that will become $100.\u00a0 If you give $100, that will become $200\u2014or double whatever you give.\u00a0 The reason those families gave that money is because they believe in what we\u2019re doing.\u00a0 They\u2019ve seen the crunch that we\u2019ve been through in the last few months; and they said, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 We want to make sure that you guys finish the year strong and healthy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve always had the commitment, Bob\u2014over 20 years\u2014you know, we\u2019ve talked about this numerous times\u2014if the money isn\u2019t supplied, then the listener has spoken.\u00a0 We want to stay on the air, providing what we provide; but it\u2019s dependent upon God moving people to be a part of this ministry and saying, \u201cYes,\u201d to wanting to be a part of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can make a yearend donation by going to FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click on the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, and make a donation online; or call toll-free.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got folks who are ready to take your call, right now: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number; 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d; let us hear from you.\u00a0 We want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to do, here at the end of 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And let me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those who have already given this month and the legacy partners who stand with us every month.\u00a0 Thank you for keeping <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on this station and for standing with us.\u00a0 I really mean that.\u00a0 I appreciate you and your family.\u00a0 I would ask you to pray for us.\u00a0 Pray for our listeners, across the country, to really rise up and say, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 We\u2019re going to make this one of the best conclusions to a year <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>has ever had.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I have a question for you as we get started on today\u2019s program.\u00a0 I think I know the answer to this, but the question is, \u201cWhat kind of learner are you?\u201d\u00a0 I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that's where I was\u2014tactile.\u00a0 You've got to do something to learn; don't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I need to engage around some kind of experience and let the truth be related to real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What kind of learner am I?\u00a0 You tell me\u2014What kind of learner am I?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Um\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm in radio\u2014does that help?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I would imagine, Bob, that you were pretty cerebral in school and would enjoy listening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm an audio\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just like to soak it in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm an audio-learner, but the \u201ccerebral-in-school\u201d part\u2014that did not fit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That didn't fit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No, no, no.\u00a0 I was tuned out\u2014somewhere else\u2014during most of school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you listening to your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We didn't have iPods back then. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There wasn't any music allowed in classes in those days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We didn't have Walkman<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> back then\u2014so, there wasn't anything to listen to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, if you're interested in teaching your children how they can grow up to follow Jesus Christ and His plan\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No matter what kind of learner they are\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's right.\u00a0 We've got the program for you today.\u00a0 Kurt and Olivia Bruner join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Olivia, Kurt, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Thank you.\u00a0 Good to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Kurt and Olivia live in Dallas, Texas.\u00a0 Kurt is the pastor of spiritual formation at Lakepoint Church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is that big lake that you look out over?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Lake Ray Hubbard.\u00a0 It's the main water supply into Dallas; so, it's a pretty large lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I thought that was it; alright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is that the one that's\u2014that's Lake Grapevine\u2014that's north of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Right, this is on the opposite side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when you drive over on I-30\u2014when you're heading into Dallas, you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That is a big lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, Grapevine is the one you fly over when you're flying into Dallas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly.\u00a0 Well, Kurt and Olivia have four children and a lot of experience\u2014both in teaching and in the church.\u00a0 They've developed\u2014well, it's a recipe tin; but it's not a little bitty tiny recipe tin.\u00a0 It's about\u2014it's like 8.5 x 11\u2014except it is four-inches thick.\u00a0 It's a tin that's got 48 recipe cards in it\u2014all designed to help you teach your children\u2014about who God is, how He wants them to live as they grow up\u2014and help you, as a parent, have a fun relationship with your children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, Olivia, you were a schoolteacher for a number of years.\u00a0 You see how he is a tactile learner?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How\u2014if he can't fiddle with the can, he's really not learning anything?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes, he likes that lid\u2014how it opens and shuts, and opens and shuts.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Well, and as a teacher, I was always known as the fun teacher because it was very important to me that my kids were engaged in what I was teaching.\u00a0 That's just how all children love to learn\u2014if they are engaged in it, no matter what kind of learner they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask you about that because you have stressed, as we've talked about this subject this week, that in putting together the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> resource\u2014and giving parents experiences that they can create with their children, where they can help them learn and understand about God\u2014you've stressed the need to connect fun with these learning experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can imagine somebody who would say, \"Well, I understand the motivation behind that; but aren't you training kids to think, \u2018If it's not fun, I should tune out\u2019?\u00a0 Aren't you getting them to develop an appetite for candy and they never have an appetite for broccoli?\u201d \u2014you know what I'm saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes, and that question has been asked.\u00a0 That's why I think you need to remember the ages and stages of your children because, believe me, with our high schoolers now, we don't do\u2014we don't draw their picture on a piece of paper and say, \"Look, you're made in the image of God.\"\u00a0 We have come out of that.\u00a0 Now, Kurt is asking the boys to read Romans; and they're discussing it when they go to breakfast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you grow out of that.\u00a0 There are different ages and stages for your kids; but if you try to read Romans with your five-year-old, they\u2019re going to look at you like, \u201cWhat is this all about?\u201d\u00a0 So, there are ages and stages of learning.\u00a0 It's important that you develop that relationship and fun so that you are set up for when they get to the stage of their life when they have the questions\u2014the big questions\u2014you can discuss it with them and get into the meat of the Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, and remember, an object lesson is a means of learning that actually connects to most of us because it has the tactile and the audio\u2014it has all of it integrated together.\u00a0 So it's not an either\/or, it's a both\/and.\u00a0 But remember something about our faith\u2014Christianity is the only faith in the world that has something called \"The Incarnation\".\u00a0 What does that mean? \u2014\u201cThat the Word became flesh.\u201d\u00a0 That's the <em>scandal<\/em> of the Christian Gospel.\u00a0 You know, even world religions are happy to have a god who shouts down truth in a book; but He actually became flesh and blood?\u00a0 Well, take that to your home\u2014to have an incarnational faith in the home means that The Word becomes flesh and blood in the context of the experiences in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we're not trying to replicate or replace the academic environment, which has its purpose, or even the Sunday school environment, which has its purpose.\u00a0 That's where I learned my books of the Bible; that's where I learned my memory verses.\u00a0 What we're trying to do\u2014in the context of the home\u2014is to have the faith become alive and real through experiences that catch the children off guard by truths they may have memorized somewhere else but haven't really connected with them at an emotional level. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, do you see a lot of family devotions as, \u201cMom or Dad shouting down truth to the kids rather than incarnating it\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, for some people, it works.\u00a0 Again, it depends on your children; it depends on your context.\u00a0 It didn't work in our home.\u00a0 We had seven children, all of different styles and different types.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The home you were growing up in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> The home I grew up in, right.\u00a0 We know our children\u2014one of our children it would work with.\u00a0 Our oldest\u2014he and I used to go to breakfast on Saturday mornings because we would rotate with the children.\u00a0 We'd sit and have a discussion about, you know, \u201cWhat did C.S. Lewis mean when he wrote this?\u201d \u2014a very cognitive discussion.\u00a0 I love that kind of thing, and so we'd enjoy the conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI brought my second son and tried the same approach.\u00a0 As I'm sitting there, talking to him, about the latest sermon and what that meant to him, he's staring out the window.\u00a0 Then, he says, \"Dad, if a rocket came through that window right now, would we all die?\"\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 That's when Olivia said, \"With Sean, it's got to be fun.\u00a0 You've got to be engaging.\"\u00a0 So, it just depends on the context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are really two things we're talking about here\u2014one is incarnation, which is relationship\u2014the other is the truth.\u00a0 I want to make a confession, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 I was guilty, as a parent, of many times erring on the side of only having fun; okay?\u00a0 We had some family times\u2014in fact, a good number of family times\u2014where we just laughed and just had a good time.\u00a0 I remember one time when we played \"Pudgy Bunny\".\u00a0 Do you know how to play Pudgy Bunny?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> No, but I'm at the edge of my seat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is there spitting involved in this?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there can be.\u00a0 This goes back to an earlier broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Why did he look your way when he said \"pudgy\" that way?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hey, hey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What happened is\u2014and there was no spiritual lesson around this\u2014what the purpose of this was\u2014was just to get together, as a family, and associate good times with the family, at a set time during the week; okay?\u00a0 I just want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> And that's hugely important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think it is!\u00a0 I really do.\u00a0 But here's the game\u2014you get a big sack of marshmallows.\u00a0 Then, you have a game to see who can stuff the most number of marshmallows in their mouth while still being able to say, \"Pudgy bunny\".\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Oh, that is good!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I'm going to tell you\u2014you really do need to have a plastic cloth, Bob, on the ground, because it could be a spitting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong>\u00a0 That is good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There's at least some drool involved\u2014if there's not actual spitting involved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's just fun, you know, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, that's also an idea\u2014<em>not<\/em> in the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> kit\u2014because it wasn't designed to be a lesson or to have a point; right?\u00a0 It was designed to have fun.\u00a0 But I should say this\u2014having fun together, as a family, dramatically increases the likelihood that your children will want to embrace your beliefs because you increase the odds that they want your faith when they enjoy your company.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I have to tell you that, like Dennis, I probably erred more on the side of relationship versus truth.\u00a0 If you're just doing that\u2014if you think the goal is, \u201cJust let's have fun, as a family,\u201d \u2014you're missing an important part of the equation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Right, exactly.\u00a0 That's why we wanted to put the two together.\u00a0 We want a fun experience; but then, what's interesting is, after you've had the fun experience, it's almost like they're ready.\u00a0 Even when you don't think they're getting it\u2014that's what's great\u2014the next day they'll say something like, \"Do you remember last night we did Family Night, Mom?\u00a0 I learned this, and I learned that.\"\u00a0 They just pick it up, over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You've got all these recipe cards\u2014a bedtime recipe, mealtime.\u00a0 Walk them through this because this was one\u2014and I didn\u2019t have your recipe cards\u2014but this was one that we did.\u00a0 It was, \"I remember the time....\" or, \"I remember the activity or the experience that we had....\"\u00a0 Share with our listeners how they do this one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 On this one\u2014\u201cThe best use\u201d \u2014remember, it starts out with, \"How do you use this?\"\u00a0 This is as a mealtime discussion tradition.\u00a0 Again, this isn't a one-time deal\u2014this is something you can make as a routine, in your family, around mealtime.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThe ingredients needed\u201d \u2014this one is easy.\u00a0 You don't have to pre-prep\u2014the ingredients needed are memories of key moments in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Just take five minutes before you sit down to eat and think, \"Okay, what are some key memories?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThe nutritional value\u201d \u2014what are you trying to achieve?\u2014\u201cCreating occasions to tell your children stories from your own faith journey\u201d; alright?\u00a0 That's the goal.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, \u201cServe it up\u201d by following these steps:\u00a0 \u201cRemember how important it is for your children to hear stories from your own faith journey.\u00a0 Make a point of jotting down noteworthy experiences from your past to relate to your children.\u00a0 We all have such experiences but rarely think to share them with our children.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the idea is just be\u2014if this is part of your tradition\u2014just be jotting down little stories, as they come to mind, so that when you hit mealtime, you're ready to share those stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> For instance, maybe sharing the story of how you came to faith in Jesus Christ\u2014just sharing your testimony with your children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you were going to do this\u2014and you'd already shared your testimony with your kids\u2014 but you were going to share some other significant spiritual milestone, what would you pull out to share? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's a good question.\u00a0 I'll answer that before the broadcast is over, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; but it could be a turning point, spiritually.\u00a0 It could be a decision that you had to make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right; that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It could be how you and your spouse met and how you made that decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To get married and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> It could be a crisis of faith in your life,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong>\u00a0 A provision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> \u2014it could be a moment in your childhood that just\u2014an awakening\u2014maybe the first time you listened to <em>The Chronicles of Narnia<\/em>.\u00a0 You know, it could be anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or a major failure in your life that is appropriate to share with your children, where you learned valuable spiritual lessons.\u00a0 Some of our best things we have to pass on to our kids come through, not the <em>right<\/em> choices we've made, but through the wrong ones.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But once again, and we've talked about Psalm 78 before.\u00a0 Psalm 78 says, \u201cTell about your experience with God.\u201d\u00a0 You want to pass on the law, you want to pass on the Word of God; but your kids need to know that Christianity isn't something that just happens inside a book and nowhere else.\u00a0 It happens through your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Now, I would hear you say that\u2014if I was listening to FamilyLife radio, and I'm driving down the road\u2014and I'd hear that and say, \"Amen!\u00a0 That's what I need to be doing.\u00a0 That's right; I agree with that.\"\u00a0 When is it really going to happen?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it's going to happen because we've got a mealtime, Thursday night, when the whole family is together.\u00a0 We've made a routine, now, that we're going to tell stories because we grabbed this thing and got some ideas down on paper.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Olivia, does this tin sit somewhere in your kitchen? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> It's on top of our refrigerator, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And are you the one who puts it on the table and says, \"Tonight's going to be a night we're going to do this\"?\u00a0 Does Kurt do that?\u00a0 Do the kids do it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> We kind of work together.\u00a0 We already have our Family Night down, so that's when we do that.\u00a0 As far as mealtime and your question of how often do you do it? \u2014if you feel like your kids are getting to the point where, \u201cOkay, this is feeling a bit forced,\u201d back off a little bit because <em>everything <\/em>doesn't have to be a spiritual discussion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, you don't want your child to say, \"Man!\u00a0 You come off like Dennis Rainey,\" you know.\u00a0 \"All you ever do is ask questions.\"\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Roll their eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We've had some kids say that, by the way.\u00a0 They've turned the radio off, at points.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 But to your point, Olivia, you really don't want to become too predictable with your kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Right, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because they don't appreciate being lectured.\u00a0 Especially, the older they get, the more important it is, I think, to begin to relate to them, not as peers\u2014 as in adult-to-adult\u2014 because, at that point, they're still not adults.\u00a0 But asking them questions about what they think around key events of the day\u2014that they are engaged with at school, or in politics, or in the paper, or at church\u2014but get their ideas.\u00a0 Some nights, at the dinner table, we just debrief, \u201cWhat occurred in your life today?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, one of the other recipe cards is the \u201cHigh\/low\u201d.\u00a0 Why don't you describe how we do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Well, yes, we actually do that almost every night because we all want to talk about our day.\u00a0 We just go around the room; and we talk about, \"What was the high of your day, and what was the low of your day?\u201d\u00a0 Each person tells the high and the low of their day.\u00a0 It's great, and it's easy.\u00a0 We've gotten to the point where people look at each other and they want to know, \"How was your day?\u201d; \"How was your day?\"\u00a0 It's made our kids care about the other person, \"What happened with you today?\" \u2014which has been great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> It's as simple as we just\u2014somebody says\u2014it could be anybody\u2014\"High\/low\".\u00a0 Everybody knows, \u201cOkay, it's time to go around the circle and share.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you don't get resistance from your kids as they get older?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because they love to talk about themselves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Absolutely!\u00a0 Seriously\u2014especially, the low point of the day.\u00a0 I mean, there are seasons there where we find things out\u2014we found things out we wouldn't have known if we hadn't had that little cute activity\u2014that were really significant in the child's life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you know, we can talk about this; but the real proof is:\u00a0 \u201cDoes it work for anybody other than Kurt and Olivia Bruner?\u00a0 Do you have to be kind of super-intentional, creative types in order for this thing to get pulled off?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Are you asking whether you have to be amazingly brilliant to pull this off?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No.\u00a0 He\u2019s asking if you need to be\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I'm telling you, from look at these cards\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014this is simple.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And, you know what?\u00a0 I think that's what parents want today because they're busy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is something a listener could do tonight, if they wanted to, without the tin because we've already talked about one idea here today, which is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you talking about Pudgy Bunny?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t\u2014[Laughter] \u2014Well, they could do the pudgy bunny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That\u2019s one idea\u2014not a good one, but it is one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was thinking of the spiritual milestones\u2014 you know, \u201cWhat's a spiritual highlight from your life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you were going to share\u2014if it wasn't your testimony, what would you have told your kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, one of the stories I would tell would be the year 1978, when FamilyLife was about two years old.\u00a0 I was really on the fence, thinking about quitting.\u00a0 I'd gotten my feelings hurt, and really thought about leaving, and just going to kind of take my Bible and go somewhere else\u2014you know? \u2014have a pity party over the whole deal.\u00a0 Earlier that year, God raised up a couple who had sent us a gift\u2014a financial gift to our ministry\u2014for our personal support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, because you raised your own support.\u00a0 Back then you did, and you still do today; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I still do today.\u00a0 It happened that his name was Adolph Coors, IV.\u00a0 Adolph had become a believer and a follower of Christ.\u00a0 He and his wife B.J. sent a gift, unsolicited, to our support.\u00a0 I kept going back to that saying, \"Lord, if you want me to quit, then why did you send the money?\"\u00a0 The answer was, of course, \u201cI don't want you to quit.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look back on that decision, back then, and just almost shudder to think what was at stake\u2014first of all, in my life\u2014my relationship with Barbara and my kids\u2014but then, what God has done.\u00a0 He would have raised up somebody else; but the lesson is, \u201cTo walk by faith and make sure you really are smack dab in the middle of what God wants you to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the recipe tin is just a way to help get stuff like that out on the table so that you can be talking about it, as a family, so that those kinds of stories come out.\u00a0 As we've said before, if you've got something that you're doing, as a family, and it\u2019s working for you, keep doing that.\u00a0 Our goal here is to help you have effective times together, as a family, where there\u2019s discipleship going on\u2014where there is some spiritual development, spiritual formation happening in your marriage and in your family\u2014but if you don\u2019t have something that\u2019s working for you, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and look at the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> recipe box, with the recipe cards in it.\u00a0 You just pull them out\u2014they\u2019re easy to execute.\u00a0 It\u2019s a way to set you up to win in this area.\u00a0 You can do this once or twice a week.\u00a0 The recipe box will take you for several months, if you just use different recipes each time.\u00a0 Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> resource.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have other resources available.\u00a0 I\u2019m thinking of Marty Machowski\u2019s book, <em>Long Story Short<\/em>\u2014that takes you through the Old Testament with a series of family devotions.\u00a0 You\u2019ll find information about what\u2019s available when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 If it\u2019s easier to call, just call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 We can make arrangements to have the resource you need sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, Monday is New Year\u2019s Eve.\u00a0 On Tuesday, it will be a brand-new year.\u00a0 You heard Dennis mention, at the beginning of the program, that we are down to the wire on the matching-gift fund opportunity that\u2019s available to us.\u00a0 We still have a ways to go if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of the $4.1 million matching gift that we\u2019re hoping to be able to access in the new year.\u00a0 If we\u2019re going to do that, we need you to make as generous a yearend contribution as you possibly can.\u00a0 Every dollar we receive from you will be matched, dollar-for-dollar, up to that total amount of $4.1 million.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour gift really goes twice as far, here at the end of the year.\u00a0 Would you consider going online at FamilyLifeToday.com and making a yearend contribution?\u00a0 Or call us, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY and make a donation over the phone.\u00a0 If you\u2019d like to mail a donation to us, you can do that, as well.\u00a0 Here\u2019s our mailing address:\u00a0 <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR, 72223.\u00a0 Of course, as long as your envelope is postmarked by Monday, your donation will qualify for a tax deduction in 2012.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us today!\u00a0 Hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together in church this weekend.\u00a0 I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about having some wise stewardship principles in place as you head into a new year.\u00a0 Ron Blue is going to be our guest.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to talk about getting our \u201cmoney house\u201d in order for the new year.\u00a0 I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife 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family devotions make you yawn, it's time to cook up some fun!","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2012-12-28.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You've heard people suggest that it's important to have family times together\u2014to have family worship together, to talk together about the Scriptures, to pray as a family.\u00a0 The question is, \u201cHow often do you do that?\u201d or, \u201cDo you ever do that?\u201d\u00a0 Kurt Bruner understands how you're feeling.\u00a0 He's been there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> I would hear you say that and say, \"Hey, man, that's what I need to be doing.\u00a0 That's right; I agree with that.\"\u00a0 When is it really going to happen?\u00a0 Well, it's going to happen because we've got a mealtime\u2014Thursday night\u2014when the whole family is together.\u00a0 We've made a routine, now, that we're going to tell stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> And we actually do that almost every night because we all want to talk about our day.\u00a0 It's great, and it's easy.\u00a0 We've gotten to the point where people look at each other and they want to know, \"How was your day?\u201d \"How was your day?\"\u00a0 It's made our kids care about the other person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, December 28<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 If you need help with your family times together\u2014keeping them focused and on track\u2014stay tuned.\u00a0 Help is on the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 I know a lot of folks are out of their normal rhythm during this holiday week between Christmas and New Year\u2019s.\u00a0 There are a lot of folks who aren\u2019t going into work because they\u2019re either taking some vacation days or work just shut down for a few days.\u00a0 We have some of our team who actually wind up working some long hours these days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 The reason for that is because we\u2019re starting to get some envelopes in and starting to get some phone calls from folks, the last couple of days of the year.\u00a0 This is when folks often make that yearend decision about a contribution to a ministry like ours.\u00a0 We\u2019re hoping to hear from folks today, throughout the weekend, and next Monday.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 About 60 percent of our annual giving that keeps <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on this station occurs in the month of December.\u00a0 If you\u2019ll take a look at FamilyLifeToday.com, you\u2019ll see a thermometer that represents a sizeable, substantial amount of money that has been brought forth as a match.\u00a0 A group of families has said, \u201cWe\u2019ll match every dollar, up to the total amount that\u2019s on the thermometer, throughout the month of December.\u201d\u00a0 But you have to get your gift in before December 31<sup>st<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ll notice, it\u2019s chilly on the thermometer.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 It\u2019s low.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been praying and asking God to raise up people who believe in what we\u2019re doing, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>,who say, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 You guys have helped me in my life\u2014as a single man, single woman, single parent, as a husband, a wife, a dad, a mom, a grandparent\u2014and we want to stand with you.\u00a0 We want to keep broadcasts like yours on the air every day, here on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we\u2019re listener-supported, which means that the cost of producing and syndicating this program\u2014if we don\u2019t hear from listeners, then we can\u2019t continue the program on our network of stations, all across the country.\u00a0 Because we\u2019ve seen a fall-off in the last several months, we have to look hard and say, \u201cWhat are we going to be able to do in 2013, related to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in terms of stations like this.\u00a0 You may say, \u201cDennis, I can\u2019t write a big check.\u201d\u00a0 I just want you to know that, over the years, it has been donors of all sizes\u2014who have given small gifts, medium-sized, and larger gifts\u2014who have said, \u201cYes!\u201d to keeping <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>coming so that you could enjoy it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019ve never given, I\u2019d like to challenge you to help us take advantage of the match.\u00a0 Your dollar will be matched with a dollar.\u00a0\u00a0 So, if you give $25, that will become $50.\u00a0 If you give $50, that will become $100.\u00a0 If you give $100, that will become $200\u2014or double whatever you give.\u00a0 The reason those families gave that money is because they believe in what we\u2019re doing.\u00a0 They\u2019ve seen the crunch that we\u2019ve been through in the last few months; and they said, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 We want to make sure that you guys finish the year strong and healthy.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve always had the commitment, Bob\u2014over 20 years\u2014you know, we\u2019ve talked about this numerous times\u2014if the money isn\u2019t supplied, then the listener has spoken.\u00a0 We want to stay on the air, providing what we provide; but it\u2019s dependent upon God moving people to be a part of this ministry and saying, \u201cYes,\u201d to wanting to be a part of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can make a yearend donation by going to FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click on the button that says, \u201cI CARE\u201d, and make a donation online; or call toll-free.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got folks who are ready to take your call, right now: 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number; 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d; let us hear from you.\u00a0 We want to say, \u201cThanks,\u201d in advance, for whatever you\u2019re able to do, here at the end of 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And let me just say, \u201cThanks,\u201d to those who have already given this month and the legacy partners who stand with us every month.\u00a0 Thank you for keeping <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>on this station and for standing with us.\u00a0 I really mean that.\u00a0 I appreciate you and your family.\u00a0 I would ask you to pray for us.\u00a0 Pray for our listeners, across the country, to really rise up and say, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 We\u2019re going to make this one of the best conclusions to a year <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>has ever had.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I have a question for you as we get started on today\u2019s program.\u00a0 I think I know the answer to this, but the question is, \u201cWhat kind of learner are you?\u201d\u00a0 I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Experience.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, that's where I was\u2014tactile.\u00a0 You've got to do something to learn; don't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I need to engage around some kind of experience and let the truth be related to real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What kind of learner am I?\u00a0 You tell me\u2014What kind of learner am I?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Um\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm in radio\u2014does that help?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I would imagine, Bob, that you were pretty cerebral in school and would enjoy listening.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm an audio\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Just like to soak it in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm an audio-learner, but the \u201ccerebral-in-school\u201d part\u2014that did not fit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That didn't fit?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No, no, no.\u00a0 I was tuned out\u2014somewhere else\u2014during most of school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you listening to your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We didn't have iPods back then. [Laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There wasn't any music allowed in classes in those days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We didn't have Walkman<sup>\u00ae<\/sup> back then\u2014so, there wasn't anything to listen to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, if you're interested in teaching your children how they can grow up to follow Jesus Christ and His plan\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> No matter what kind of learner they are\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's right.\u00a0 We've got the program for you today.\u00a0 Kurt and Olivia Bruner join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Olivia, Kurt, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Thank you.\u00a0 Good to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Kurt and Olivia live in Dallas, Texas.\u00a0 Kurt is the pastor of spiritual formation at Lakepoint Church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What is that big lake that you look out over?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Lake Ray Hubbard.\u00a0 It's the main water supply into Dallas; so, it's a pretty large lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I thought that was it; alright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Is that the one that's\u2014that's Lake Grapevine\u2014that's north of\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Right, this is on the opposite side.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So when you drive over on I-30\u2014when you're heading into Dallas, you know\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That is a big lake.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, Grapevine is the one you fly over when you're flying into Dallas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Exactly.\u00a0 Well, Kurt and Olivia have four children and a lot of experience\u2014both in teaching and in the church.\u00a0 They've developed\u2014well, it's a recipe tin; but it's not a little bitty tiny recipe tin.\u00a0 It's about\u2014it's like 8.5 x 11\u2014except it is four-inches thick.\u00a0 It's a tin that's got 48 recipe cards in it\u2014all designed to help you teach your children\u2014about who God is, how He wants them to live as they grow up\u2014and help you, as a parent, have a fun relationship with your children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, Olivia, you were a schoolteacher for a number of years.\u00a0 You see how he is a tactile learner?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How\u2014if he can't fiddle with the can, he's really not learning anything?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes, he likes that lid\u2014how it opens and shuts, and opens and shuts.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Well, and as a teacher, I was always known as the fun teacher because it was very important to me that my kids were engaged in what I was teaching.\u00a0 That's just how all children love to learn\u2014if they are engaged in it, no matter what kind of learner they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask you about that because you have stressed, as we've talked about this subject this week, that in putting together the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> resource\u2014and giving parents experiences that they can create with their children, where they can help them learn and understand about God\u2014you've stressed the need to connect fun with these learning experiences.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can imagine somebody who would say, \"Well, I understand the motivation behind that; but aren't you training kids to think, \u2018If it's not fun, I should tune out\u2019?\u00a0 Aren't you getting them to develop an appetite for candy and they never have an appetite for broccoli?\u201d \u2014you know what I'm saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Yes, and that question has been asked.\u00a0 That's why I think you need to remember the ages and stages of your children because, believe me, with our high schoolers now, we don't do\u2014we don't draw their picture on a piece of paper and say, \"Look, you're made in the image of God.\"\u00a0 We have come out of that.\u00a0 Now, Kurt is asking the boys to read Romans; and they're discussing it when they go to breakfast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, you grow out of that.\u00a0 There are different ages and stages for your kids; but if you try to read Romans with your five-year-old, they\u2019re going to look at you like, \u201cWhat is this all about?\u201d\u00a0 So, there are ages and stages of learning.\u00a0 It's important that you develop that relationship and fun so that you are set up for when they get to the stage of their life when they have the questions\u2014the big questions\u2014you can discuss it with them and get into the meat of the Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, and remember, an object lesson is a means of learning that actually connects to most of us because it has the tactile and the audio\u2014it has all of it integrated together.\u00a0 So it's not an either\/or, it's a both\/and.\u00a0 But remember something about our faith\u2014Christianity is the only faith in the world that has something called \"The Incarnation\".\u00a0 What does that mean? \u2014\u201cThat the Word became flesh.\u201d\u00a0 That's the <em>scandal<\/em> of the Christian Gospel.\u00a0 You know, even world religions are happy to have a god who shouts down truth in a book; but He actually became flesh and blood?\u00a0 Well, take that to your home\u2014to have an incarnational faith in the home means that The Word becomes flesh and blood in the context of the experiences in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we're not trying to replicate or replace the academic environment, which has its purpose, or even the Sunday school environment, which has its purpose.\u00a0 That's where I learned my books of the Bible; that's where I learned my memory verses.\u00a0 What we're trying to do\u2014in the context of the home\u2014is to have the faith become alive and real through experiences that catch the children off guard by truths they may have memorized somewhere else but haven't really connected with them at an emotional level. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So, do you see a lot of family devotions as, \u201cMom or Dad shouting down truth to the kids rather than incarnating it\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, for some people, it works.\u00a0 Again, it depends on your children; it depends on your context.\u00a0 It didn't work in our home.\u00a0 We had seven children, all of different styles and different types.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The home you were growing up in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> The home I grew up in, right.\u00a0 We know our children\u2014one of our children it would work with.\u00a0 Our oldest\u2014he and I used to go to breakfast on Saturday mornings because we would rotate with the children.\u00a0 We'd sit and have a discussion about, you know, \u201cWhat did C.S. Lewis mean when he wrote this?\u201d \u2014a very cognitive discussion.\u00a0 I love that kind of thing, and so we'd enjoy the conversation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI brought my second son and tried the same approach.\u00a0 As I'm sitting there, talking to him, about the latest sermon and what that meant to him, he's staring out the window.\u00a0 Then, he says, \"Dad, if a rocket came through that window right now, would we all die?\"\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 That's when Olivia said, \"With Sean, it's got to be fun.\u00a0 You've got to be engaging.\"\u00a0 So, it just depends on the context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There are really two things we're talking about here\u2014one is incarnation, which is relationship\u2014the other is the truth.\u00a0 I want to make a confession, here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 I was guilty, as a parent, of many times erring on the side of only having fun; okay?\u00a0 We had some family times\u2014in fact, a good number of family times\u2014where we just laughed and just had a good time.\u00a0 I remember one time when we played \"Pudgy Bunny\".\u00a0 Do you know how to play Pudgy Bunny?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> No, but I'm at the edge of my seat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Is there spitting involved in this?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, there can be.\u00a0 This goes back to an earlier broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Why did he look your way when he said \"pudgy\" that way?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Hey, hey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What happened is\u2014and there was no spiritual lesson around this\u2014what the purpose of this was\u2014was just to get together, as a family, and associate good times with the family, at a set time during the week; okay?\u00a0 I just want\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> And that's hugely important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think it is!\u00a0 I really do.\u00a0 But here's the game\u2014you get a big sack of marshmallows.\u00a0 Then, you have a game to see who can stuff the most number of marshmallows in their mouth while still being able to say, \"Pudgy bunny\".\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Oh, that is good!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I'm going to tell you\u2014you really do need to have a plastic cloth, Bob, on the ground, because it could be a spitting\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong>\u00a0 That is good. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There's at least some drool involved\u2014if there's not actual spitting involved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's just fun, you know, and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, that's also an idea\u2014<em>not<\/em> in the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> kit\u2014because it wasn't designed to be a lesson or to have a point; right?\u00a0 It was designed to have fun.\u00a0 But I should say this\u2014having fun together, as a family, dramatically increases the likelihood that your children will want to embrace your beliefs because you increase the odds that they want your faith when they enjoy your company.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But I have to tell you that, like Dennis, I probably erred more on the side of relationship versus truth.\u00a0 If you're just doing that\u2014if you think the goal is, \u201cJust let's have fun, as a family,\u201d \u2014you're missing an important part of the equation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Right, exactly.\u00a0 That's why we wanted to put the two together.\u00a0 We want a fun experience; but then, what's interesting is, after you've had the fun experience, it's almost like they're ready.\u00a0 Even when you don't think they're getting it\u2014that's what's great\u2014the next day they'll say something like, \"Do you remember last night we did Family Night, Mom?\u00a0 I learned this, and I learned that.\"\u00a0 They just pick it up, over time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You've got all these recipe cards\u2014a bedtime recipe, mealtime.\u00a0 Walk them through this because this was one\u2014and I didn\u2019t have your recipe cards\u2014but this was one that we did.\u00a0 It was, \"I remember the time....\" or, \"I remember the activity or the experience that we had....\"\u00a0 Share with our listeners how they do this one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 On this one\u2014\u201cThe best use\u201d \u2014remember, it starts out with, \"How do you use this?\"\u00a0 This is as a mealtime discussion tradition.\u00a0 Again, this isn't a one-time deal\u2014this is something you can make as a routine, in your family, around mealtime.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThe ingredients needed\u201d \u2014this one is easy.\u00a0 You don't have to pre-prep\u2014the ingredients needed are memories of key moments in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Just take five minutes before you sit down to eat and think, \"Okay, what are some key memories?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cThe nutritional value\u201d \u2014what are you trying to achieve?\u2014\u201cCreating occasions to tell your children stories from your own faith journey\u201d; alright?\u00a0 That's the goal.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, \u201cServe it up\u201d by following these steps:\u00a0 \u201cRemember how important it is for your children to hear stories from your own faith journey.\u00a0 Make a point of jotting down noteworthy experiences from your past to relate to your children.\u00a0 We all have such experiences but rarely think to share them with our children.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the idea is just be\u2014if this is part of your tradition\u2014just be jotting down little stories, as they come to mind, so that when you hit mealtime, you're ready to share those stories.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> For instance, maybe sharing the story of how you came to faith in Jesus Christ\u2014just sharing your testimony with your children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If you were going to do this\u2014and you'd already shared your testimony with your kids\u2014 but you were going to share some other significant spiritual milestone, what would you pull out to share? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's a good question.\u00a0 I'll answer that before the broadcast is over, Bob.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Okay; but it could be a turning point, spiritually.\u00a0 It could be a decision that you had to make.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right; that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It could be how you and your spouse met and how you made that decision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That's right; that\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> To get married and\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> It could be a crisis of faith in your life,\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong>\u00a0 A provision.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> \u2014it could be a moment in your childhood that just\u2014an awakening\u2014maybe the first time you listened to <em>The Chronicles of Narnia<\/em>.\u00a0 You know, it could be anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or a major failure in your life that is appropriate to share with your children, where you learned valuable spiritual lessons.\u00a0 Some of our best things we have to pass on to our kids come through, not the <em>right<\/em> choices we've made, but through the wrong ones.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But once again, and we've talked about Psalm 78 before.\u00a0 Psalm 78 says, \u201cTell about your experience with God.\u201d\u00a0 You want to pass on the law, you want to pass on the Word of God; but your kids need to know that Christianity isn't something that just happens inside a book and nowhere else.\u00a0 It happens through your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Now, I would hear you say that\u2014if I was listening to FamilyLife radio, and I'm driving down the road\u2014and I'd hear that and say, \"Amen!\u00a0 That's what I need to be doing.\u00a0 That's right; I agree with that.\"\u00a0 When is it really going to happen?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, it's going to happen because we've got a mealtime, Thursday night, when the whole family is together.\u00a0 We've made a routine, now, that we're going to tell stories because we grabbed this thing and got some ideas down on paper.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Olivia, does this tin sit somewhere in your kitchen? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> It's on top of our refrigerator, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And are you the one who puts it on the table and says, \"Tonight's going to be a night we're going to do this\"?\u00a0 Does Kurt do that?\u00a0 Do the kids do it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> We kind of work together.\u00a0 We already have our Family Night down, so that's when we do that.\u00a0 As far as mealtime and your question of how often do you do it? \u2014if you feel like your kids are getting to the point where, \u201cOkay, this is feeling a bit forced,\u201d back off a little bit because <em>everything <\/em>doesn't have to be a spiritual discussion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, you don't want your child to say, \"Man!\u00a0 You come off like Dennis Rainey,\" you know.\u00a0 \"All you ever do is ask questions.\"\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Roll their eyes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We've had some kids say that, by the way.\u00a0 They've turned the radio off, at points.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 But to your point, Olivia, you really don't want to become too predictable with your kids\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Right, exactly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014because they don't appreciate being lectured.\u00a0 Especially, the older they get, the more important it is, I think, to begin to relate to them, not as peers\u2014 as in adult-to-adult\u2014 because, at that point, they're still not adults.\u00a0 But asking them questions about what they think around key events of the day\u2014that they are engaged with at school, or in politics, or in the paper, or at church\u2014but get their ideas.\u00a0 Some nights, at the dinner table, we just debrief, \u201cWhat occurred in your life today?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Well, one of the other recipe cards is the \u201cHigh\/low\u201d.\u00a0 Why don't you describe how we do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong> Well, yes, we actually do that almost every night because we all want to talk about our day.\u00a0 We just go around the room; and we talk about, \"What was the high of your day, and what was the low of your day?\u201d\u00a0 Each person tells the high and the low of their day.\u00a0 It's great, and it's easy.\u00a0 We've gotten to the point where people look at each other and they want to know, \"How was your day?\u201d; \"How was your day?\"\u00a0 It's made our kids care about the other person, \"What happened with you today?\" \u2014which has been great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> It's as simple as we just\u2014somebody says\u2014it could be anybody\u2014\"High\/low\".\u00a0 Everybody knows, \u201cOkay, it's time to go around the circle and share.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you don't get resistance from your kids as they get older?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Oh, no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because they love to talk about themselves.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Absolutely!\u00a0 Seriously\u2014especially, the low point of the day.\u00a0 I mean, there are seasons there where we find things out\u2014we found things out we wouldn't have known if we hadn't had that little cute activity\u2014that were really significant in the child's life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, you know, we can talk about this; but the real proof is:\u00a0 \u201cDoes it work for anybody other than Kurt and Olivia Bruner?\u00a0 Do you have to be kind of super-intentional, creative types in order for this thing to get pulled off?\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> Are you asking whether you have to be amazingly brilliant to pull this off?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No.\u00a0 He\u2019s asking if you need to be\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I'm telling you, from look at these cards\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2014this is simple.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Olivia:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And, you know what?\u00a0 I think that's what parents want today because they're busy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is something a listener could do tonight, if they wanted to, without the tin because we've already talked about one idea here today, which is\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Are you talking about Pudgy Bunny?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I don\u2019t\u2014[Laughter] \u2014Well, they could do the pudgy bunny.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kurt:<\/strong> That\u2019s one idea\u2014not a good one, but it is one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was thinking of the spiritual milestones\u2014 you know, \u201cWhat's a spiritual highlight from your life?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you were going to share\u2014if it wasn't your testimony, what would you have told your kids?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, one of the stories I would tell would be the year 1978, when FamilyLife was about two years old.\u00a0 I was really on the fence, thinking about quitting.\u00a0 I'd gotten my feelings hurt, and really thought about leaving, and just going to kind of take my Bible and go somewhere else\u2014you know? \u2014have a pity party over the whole deal.\u00a0 Earlier that year, God raised up a couple who had sent us a gift\u2014a financial gift to our ministry\u2014for our personal support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yes, because you raised your own support.\u00a0 Back then you did, and you still do today; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I still do today.\u00a0 It happened that his name was Adolph Coors, IV.\u00a0 Adolph had become a believer and a follower of Christ.\u00a0 He and his wife B.J. sent a gift, unsolicited, to our support.\u00a0 I kept going back to that saying, \"Lord, if you want me to quit, then why did you send the money?\"\u00a0 The answer was, of course, \u201cI don't want you to quit.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI look back on that decision, back then, and just almost shudder to think what was at stake\u2014first of all, in my life\u2014my relationship with Barbara and my kids\u2014but then, what God has done.\u00a0 He would have raised up somebody else; but the lesson is, \u201cTo walk by faith and make sure you really are smack dab in the middle of what God wants you to do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And the recipe tin is just a way to help get stuff like that out on the table so that you can be talking about it, as a family, so that those kinds of stories come out.\u00a0 As we've said before, if you've got something that you're doing, as a family, and it\u2019s working for you, keep doing that.\u00a0 Our goal here is to help you have effective times together, as a family, where there\u2019s discipleship going on\u2014where there is some spiritual development, spiritual formation happening in your marriage and in your family\u2014but if you don\u2019t have something that\u2019s working for you, go to FamilyLifeToday.com and look at the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> recipe box, with the recipe cards in it.\u00a0 You just pull them out\u2014they\u2019re easy to execute.\u00a0 It\u2019s a way to set you up to win in this area.\u00a0 You can do this once or twice a week.\u00a0 The recipe box will take you for several months, if you just use different recipes each time.\u00a0 Again, go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information on the <em>Just Add Family<\/em> resource.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have other resources available.\u00a0 I\u2019m thinking of Marty Machowski\u2019s book, <em>Long Story Short<\/em>\u2014that takes you through the Old Testament with a series of family devotions.\u00a0 You\u2019ll find information about what\u2019s available when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 If it\u2019s easier to call, just call 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 We can make arrangements to have the resource you need sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, Monday is New Year\u2019s Eve.\u00a0 On Tuesday, it will be a brand-new year.\u00a0 You heard Dennis mention, at the beginning of the program, that we are down to the wire on the matching-gift fund opportunity that\u2019s available to us.\u00a0 We still have a ways to go if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of the $4.1 million matching gift that we\u2019re hoping to be able to access in the new year.\u00a0 If we\u2019re going to do that, we need you to make as generous a yearend contribution as you possibly can.\u00a0 Every dollar we receive from you will be matched, dollar-for-dollar, up to that total amount of $4.1 million.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour gift really goes twice as far, here at the end of the year.\u00a0 Would you consider going online at FamilyLifeToday.com and making a yearend contribution?\u00a0 Or call us, toll-free, at 1-800-FL-TODAY and make a donation over the phone.\u00a0 If you\u2019d like to mail a donation to us, you can do that, as well.\u00a0 Here\u2019s our mailing address:\u00a0 <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, P.O. Box 7111, Little Rock, AR, 72223.\u00a0 Of course, as long as your envelope is postmarked by Monday, your donation will qualify for a tax deduction in 2012.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we\u2019ve got to wrap things up.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us today!\u00a0 Hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and your family are able to worship together in church this weekend.\u00a0 I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk about having some wise stewardship principles in place as you head into a new year.\u00a0 Ron Blue is going to be our guest.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to talk about getting our \u201cmoney house\u201d in order for the new year.\u00a0 I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_____________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2012 FamilyLife.\u00a0 All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/302659","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302659"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302659"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302659"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302659"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=302659"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=302659"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=302659"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}