{"id":302623,"date":"2012-11-02T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2012-11-02T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/cultivating-that-girl\/"},"modified":"2012-11-02T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2012-11-02T15:00:00","slug":"cultivating-that-girl","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/cultivating-that-girl\/","title":{"rendered":"Cultivating &#8220;That Girl"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do you remember &#8220;that girl&#8221;? 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The fun and flirty one that used to take extra care to look cute.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2012-11-02.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Heidi St. John had a model for what a healthy, strong, committed relationship looks like.\u00a0 It was the enduring love shared by her grandmother and her grandfather.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That doesn\u2019t mean it was easy.\u00a0 I mean my grandparents lived through the Depression.\u00a0 There were several things within our family that were very difficult, and I watched them weather difficult things.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s important.\u00a0 Our kids watch Jay and I argue.\u00a0 They see us argue, and that\u2019s alright with us; because we want them to see that at the end of the day we\u2019re going to resolve it also.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s healthy for our kids to see\u2014doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s always easy.\u00a0 It means we\u2019re committed to the relationship long term.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, November 2<sup>nd<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019ll hear today about the power that a legacy of lasting love can leave to future generations.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 I asked you earlier about what had been the most romantic and least romantic decades in your marriage.\u00a0 Would Barbara agree with your assessment, do you think?\u00a0 You said, \u201cRight now is\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>When I said, \u201cRight now,\u201d it is the past decade, the past ten years.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 With the nest empty?\u00a0 Did emptying the nest bring back the romance?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you think?\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 You\u2019re about to find out.\u00a0 You\u2019re about to launch your last arrow.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I hope so\u2014may it be.\u00a0 Your lips to God\u2019s ears, right there.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know we have an expert with us on romance.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, but her nest hasn\u2019t emptied, and it\u2019s got a long way to go.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, she\u2019s got seven children.\u00a0 Heidi St. John joins us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 You\u2019ve written a book called <em>Romance: Nurturing Your Marriage Through the Homeschool Years<\/em>; and although this is targeted a bit towards homeschoolers, you\u2019re really talking about an age-old problem that every marriage faces.\u00a0 Do you think couples are giving up too soon on their marriages today?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, yes, they are because the culture says that that\u2019s what you do.\u00a0 I think we live in a culture that doesn\u2019t value marriage.\u00a0 It\u2019s taken kind of a back seat to making your life what you want it to be, and we\u2019ve lost the passion for pursuing the covenant of marriage that we made when we got\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, everybody had a girl or boy they were trying to impress, right?\u00a0 That\u2019s how you got married in the first place.\u00a0 Then, somewhere along the line, it doesn\u2019t matter anymore.\u00a0 We lose it, and the culture tells us, \u201cIt\u2019s all right.\u00a0 Your kids will be fine; people get divorced every day.\u201d\u00a0 I think we\u2019ve just lost sight of it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, you named your book, <em>Romance<\/em>, but you really were talking about more than what typically comes to mind when we think about romance.\u00a0 You weren\u2019t just talking about the butterflies in the stomach.\u00a0 You were talking about the substance of a thriving marriage.\u00a0 <br><br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, and what makes a marriage worth it, why it\u2019s so important to not give up, why it\u2019s so important to nurture your marriage when you\u2019re raising children, and dream together and pursue the life covenant that you\u2019ve started out together, and continue on that path.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Your grandparents--you just smiled when I said \u201cYour grandparents.\u201d\u00a0 There is a special connection there, isn\u2019t there?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, there is.\u00a0 My grandparents were married almost 75 years.\u00a0 My parents had a really rough relationship.\u00a0 I grew up in a kind of troubled home, and I got to see what love really looked like by watching my grandpa chase my grandma around the kitchen in their home for my entire growing up.\u00a0 So, we had a very special relationship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 He referred to her, or she referred to herself, as \u201cThat girl.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 She did.\u00a0 Well, I said in the book\u2014I call myself, \u201cThat girl.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s what I told Jay when he said he missed me.\u00a0 He said\u2014I said, \u201cWho do you miss?\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cI miss the girl I married.\u201d\u00a0 I thought to myself, \u201cI\u2019m still that girl.\u201d\u00a0 When I thought about my grandparents, my grandma was \u201cThat girl\u201d to my grandpa.\u00a0 She was always\u2014she always remained no matter what they went through the girl that he married\u2014she was \u201cThat girl,\u201d and she\u2019s the girl I want to be.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Long after my kids are grown and, hopefully, Lord willing and should the Lord tarry and I\u2019m still here into my late 80\u2019s or 90\u2019s, I want to be \u201cThat girl.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you mean by that?\u00a0 How did your grandma cultivate?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What was she?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know she\u2014well, she was a remarkable woman, but I think the thing that made her stand out was that she just had this intense love for my grandfather.\u00a0 She\u2014and that doesn\u2019t mean she always agreed with him.\u00a0 She was a very\u2014she was a\u2014I\u2019m trying to think of one word for Grandma.\u00a0 It\u2019s almost impossible.\u00a0 She had a ton of energy.\u00a0 She had a ton of passion.\u00a0 She loved the Lord, and she loved my grandfather fiercely.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe might argue with him, and they might disagree; but at the end of the day, we all knew that, that relationship was never in question.\u00a0 There was never going to come a day when Grandma was just going to go, \u201cYou know I\u2019m done with you.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think I can do this anymore,\u201d because they made such a point of nurturing each other.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy grandpa just as much or maybe even more than Grandma exhibited her love for him, he exhibited love for her.\u00a0 It just ministered to me.\u00a0 I watched them, and I remember thinking as a child, \u201cThat\u2019s what I want.\u00a0 When I\u2019m grown up and I\u2019m blessed to have a family of my own, that\u2019s what I want.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You said you watched him chase her around the kitchen.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Seriously, chase her?\u00a0 I mean\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Oh, absolutely, they were chasing each other everywhere.\u00a0 My grandparents used to take us to the beach, and this is\u2014they were very opposite in the way that they approached the grandchildren because they only had one daughter of their own; and she had seven children.\u00a0 So, they had seven grandchildren who they were very protective of.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey\u2019d take us to the beach, and Grandpa, as soon as Grandma would turn her back\u2014Grandpa would go, \u201cRun, run, run, run.\u00a0 Grandma\u2019s not looking.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019d go right out into the water, you know?\u00a0 As soon as Grandma would turn around, she\u2019d be like, \u201cDaniel S. Forsberg, get those kids out of the water.\u201d\u00a0 He was like, \u201cIsn\u2019t she cute when she yells?\u201d\u00a0 That would be his response.\u00a0 So, they loved each other.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Sounds like they were flirty and fun with each other.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You describe a way that they looked at each other that you caught as a young person growing up.\u00a0 It\u2019s like you were a little radar unit, and you were watching this much older couple, who weren\u2019t your parents, who were still truly in love and committed to one another.\u00a0 What was the look you were talking about?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think it was\u2014it was just this\u2014he, my grandfather, adored my grandmother, and you could see it in his eyes.\u00a0 If she had an opinion, it mattered to him.\u00a0 He wanted to hear her opinion.\u00a0 If he had something to say about dinner, she wanted to hear it.\u00a0 He winked at her.\u00a0 He just\u2014he would look at her with just this look of adoration; and I wrote about it in the book because that\u2019s the way he looked at her right before he passed away.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was there when the Lord took my grandpa home.\u00a0 We were sitting with my grandpa, and I got to watch the Lord take him home.\u00a0 I watched my grandma speak the last words to him that he would ever hear on this earth, and it was absolutely precious for me because she came to tell him it was alright to go; and he was even listening then.\u00a0 He was even listening\u2014it mattered to him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 How old were both of them when he went home?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Grandpa would have been 91, and a few years later when Grandma passed away, she was 93.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And just take us to that scene.\u00a0 What\u2014was it in a hospital?\u00a0 Was it at home?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\u00a0 My grandparents spent the last five years of their lives in like an assisted living facility, and Grandpa had taken a turn for the worst; and I remember thinking, \u201cHe\u2019s probably\u2014the Lord\u2019s going to take him home.\u201d\u00a0 He lingered.\u00a0 We had to move him to a different section of the facility, and we would bring Grandma over.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAbout once a day, she would be able to come and see him; but there would always be somebody with Grandpa every day and night\u2014one of the grandchildren.\u00a0 We were taking turns just being with him and then going back to Grandma and reporting on how he was doing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll never forget one of the nurses came in, and my grandpa had gone to a phase in the process of dying where he could no longer eat.\u00a0 He couldn\u2019t be hydrated anymore, and it was so painful for me to watch as his granddaughter.\u00a0 I sat there and just sang to him.\u00a0 We would sing hymns to him.\u00a0 We would read passages of Scripture to him; and every once in awhile, he would open his eyes, and he would look at us.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started wondering if he was waiting for something, and I learned\u2014and I wrote about this because it\u2019s so powerful.\u00a0 The last lesson I learned from my grandparents was the gift of finishing well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy grandpa was waiting for my grandma, and I think that she knew that he was waiting for her.\u00a0 So, the day that he passed away, we brought Grandma over to visit him.\u00a0 I\u2019ll never forget because he was just almost nonresponsive at that point.\u00a0 We lowered the side rails on his bed, and we wheeled Grandma up as close as we could.\u00a0 Then, she leaned into him; and I\u2019m telling you it was like there was nobody else in the world, let alone in that room, watching the two them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe put her hands on his chest, and she put her face next to his face.\u00a0 She cried.\u00a0 Her tears just kind of dropped onto his face, and we all\u2014all six of us.\u00a0 We, six other grandchildren and my mother were standing there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cI love you.\u00a0 You have been such a good husband,\u201d just affirmed his life.\u00a0 She said, \u201cI know I\u2019ll see you again.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cYou\u2019re so handsome.\u00a0 You\u2019re as handsome now as the day I met you; and it\u2019s okay to go.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI knew in that moment she was making the choice to prefer him again.\u00a0 That\u2019s what she had modeled for us her whole life; that\u2019s what I had seen her do was prefer my grandfather.\u00a0 I know she didn\u2019t want him to go, but she gave him permission to go, and she said, \u201cIt\u2019s alright to go.\u00a0 I know you\u2019ll be waiting for me.\u00a0 I know it won\u2019t be long.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe opened his eyes.\u00a0 I had not seen him really open his eyes in a couple of days, and just a tear fell from his eyes.\u00a0 He said, \u201cI love you,\u201d and that was the last thing he said.\u00a0 Shortly after that, he went home to be with the Lord.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I felt in that moment watching my grandparents, I thought, \u201cI want to be \u2018That girl.\u2019\u00a0 That\u2019s who I want to be.\u201d\u00a0 Lord willing, if we make it to that point in our lives, I want my children to be around me and go, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 My mom didn\u2019t have it all together, and my parents didn\u2019t do everything right; but boy, they loved each other and they loved the Lord and they finished well.\u201d\u00a0 It was a powerful moment for me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 How does that memory, that picture, influence how you and Jay do life and do marriage together today?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think that the thing that we do focus on in our marriage is what\u2019s coming.\u00a0 We know that our kids are watching us, and we know that someday our grandchildren, Lord willing, are going to be impacted by the way we do marriage and the way we love each other.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think it has shown us that those decisions, the little ones\u2014it was the little ones that added up to the big thing at the end that\u2014the light bulb moment for me\u2014that was like, \u201cOh my goodness!\u00a0 I am a healthy woman with a healthy marriage and a stable family largely because of the little tiny things that my grandparents poured into my life over years and years and years.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was not one big thing.\u00a0 It was a commitment to intimacy that I saw modeled in their marriage.\u00a0 It was a commitment to the covenant that they made and giving us that security.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJay and I said, after my grandfather went to be with the Lord\u2014we said, \u201cBoy, we\u2019re going to work harder at making sure our kids know what really matters.\u00a0 And at the end of the day, we\u2019re going to follow the Lord in our marriage and we\u2019re going to prefer each other.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 A lot of that involves sacrifice.\u00a0 It is sometimes painful, but it\u2019s looking ahead to what God might be doing in the future.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy grandparents had no idea that I would write a book or talk about them.\u00a0 They didn\u2019t know the impact that they were having on me, but God knew it.\u00a0 God knew it.\u00a0 They just knew that they wanted to follow God.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s what Jay and I want.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll seven of our kids--for as different as they are\u2014and they are all extremely different\u2014we want them to follow Jesus, whatever that looks like.\u00a0 We know the best chance we have to see them walk with the Lord is if we are walking with the Lord ourselves.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You are talking about a gift of 75 years of marriage\u2014what a generational gift to be able to go the bank on.\u00a0 And back to Bob\u2019s question\u2014by having that model, especially in this culture which is \u201cIf it doesn\u2019t work out, bag it, turn him in for a better one, get a new one\u201d\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember as a boy my grandparents as well; and I can still remember my grandpa whose name was OT and my grandma whose name was Bertha.\u00a0 How about that for a pair?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I love it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 OT and Bertha Ray, and I can still remember a two- or three-tiered cake with a big 5-0\u2014a golden 5-0 on top of that cake.\u00a0 I still\u2014and by the way, I still have my grandparent\u2019s 50<sup>th<\/sup> wedding cake topper in my office because it\u2019s a great reminder to finish well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>You talked about that, watching your grandfather finish well.\u00a0 That is really a tremendous gift to make to a son, a daughter, grandchildren, or maybe great-grandchildren.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It\u2019s amazing to see what it has done, just that simple act of faithfulness on their part.\u00a0 Like I said, they weren\u2019t even\u2014they didn\u2019t recognize what they were doing because in their day and age people stayed married.\u00a0 They didn\u2019t recognize the impact that they were having on me by just the simple things every day, and recognizing the importance of the vow they made.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it wasn\u2019t just that they stayed married\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014it\u2019s that they stayed in love and that it was obvious to everybody.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 And it wasn\u2019t always easy.\u00a0 That doesn\u2019t mean it was easy.\u00a0 I mean my grandparents lived through the Depression.\u00a0 There were several things within our family that were very difficult, and I watched them weather difficult things.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s important.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Our kids watch Jay and I argue.\u00a0 They see us argue, and that\u2019s alright with us; because we want them to see that, at the end of the day, we\u2019re going to resolve it also.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s healthy for our kids to see\u2014doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s always easy.\u00a0 It means we are committed to the relationship long term.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I want to ask you about that.\u00a0 Because your kids watching you argue, what do they see?\u00a0 Because there are some parents who go\u2014the way some parents do conflict, you don\u2019t want the kids seeing that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m watching Heidi express herself.\u00a0 I think she may be related to the grandma, her grandma\u2014high energy, high fireball, a lot of opinions, huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You a little bit like your grandma?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 I\u2019m definitely like her.\u00a0 It\u2019s funny because Jay, my precious husband, is the opposite of me.\u00a0 He\u2019s much quieter.\u00a0 But I\u2019ll tell you:\u00a0 He said when we first got married, he didn\u2019t know how to argue; he has figured it out.\u00a0 He has figured it out now.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, when you\u2019re doing conflict together in front of the kids, are you shouting at each other?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely not.\u00a0 No, we\u2019re not a shouting family.\u00a0 That doesn\u2019t mean we haven\u2019t raised our voices from time to time; but at the end of the day, I love and respect Jay.\u00a0 I respect his opinion even if I disagree with him; I respect it.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s part of the reason we let the kids in on\u2014not every disagreement that we have but certainly a lot of them\u2014because I want them to see that there\u2019s a right way to disagree with somebody.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ll say that to our kids: \u201cWhen you see your dad and I argue, the goal is that we are going to resolve it.\u00a0 We\u2019re not going to leave it.\u00a0 We\u2019re not going to ignore it.\u201d\u00a0 And I think it\u2019s good for our children.\u00a0 Sometimes, they\u2019ll come to us; and they\u2019ll say, \u201cYou know, Mom and Dad, you argued about this; and then, you decided this.\u00a0 How did you do that?\u201d\u00a0 Our older kids in particular, \u201cHow did you come to this resolution?\u201d\u2014because they\u2019ll know we disagree about something.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are right.\u00a0 I am kind of a fireball.\u00a0 So part of it, for me, over the years, over the past 23 years of marriage, has been learning to be quiet.\u00a0 I\u2019m not good at that.\u00a0 You know?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> (whispering) I was wondering what your definition of shouting\u2014what your definition of shouting was.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 (whispering)\u00a0 I am not a shouter, Dennis.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Just has a high degree of intensity, doesn\u2019t it, Heidi?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Just a small degree.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 A little octane there.\u00a0 <br><br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Look how meek and mild.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 One story you told in the book was of a wise woman who shared a secret about protecting her marriage by cultivating romance in their relationship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 She was amazing.\u00a0 She was a pastor\u2019s wife, and I was a very young\u2014a young wife at the time.\u00a0 They lived on a pastor\u2019s salary, but I\u2019ll tell you what,\u00a0 She created a sanctuary in her home for their\u2014their bedroom was an absolute sanctuary.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey lived down the street from us in married student housing, and she had learned the art of making her husband feel special.\u00a0 She said, \u201cHeidi, I want to show you something.\u201d\u00a0 She had been married about eight years longer than I had, and their kids are all grown now and married.\u00a0 They are grandparents now.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe said, \u201cI want to show you something.\u00a0 I want to show you what I\u2019ve done for Michael.\u201d\u00a0 I went into her room, and I\u2019m telling you it looked like something out of <em>Better Homes &amp; Gardens<\/em> magazine, this beautiful bedroom.\u00a0 This was married student housing at Multnomah School of the Bible.\u00a0 It was nothing to write home about, but this room was amazing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was potpourri burning.\u00a0 There were beautiful curtains, pillows.\u00a0 I said, \u201cWhere did you\u2014how did you do all this?\u00a0 We don\u2019t make any money.\u00a0 We all go to college, and we\u2019re working for churches.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cOh, these are garage sale finds.\u00a0 This was a flea market.\u00a0 This was that.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cI want to communicate to my husband that I love him, and I want him to look forward to coming home at the end of the day.\u201d\u00a0 <br><br>You know what?\u00a0 He still does.\u00a0 I was just at her home in Phoenix, and she is still like that; and they still have a wonderful, flourishing romance because Lila learned the secret of getting to her husband\u2019s heart.\u00a0 She learned to speak his love language.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s so important.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know you guys are committed to homeschooling.\u00a0 In fact, that\u2019s part of the family business for you.\u00a0 And you wrote this book to homeschooling moms\u2014although as we said, it really applies to any busy mom; but why the heart for the homeschooling mom?\u00a0 <br><br><strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s a great question.\u00a0 I think the heart for the homeschooling mom comes from the last ten years of ministering to homeschool moms.\u00a0 I think people look at the homeschool community, and they just assume that homeschoolers have it all together by default because the moms are home and they are taking care of their kids.\u00a0 When the reality is, we are good at pretending.\u00a0 <br><br>I think that the enemy has taken particular aim at homeschool families.\u00a0 We\u2019ve seen it in the last ten years for sure where these families are struggling under the burden of trying to meet everyone\u2019s expectations, trying to look like they have it all together, trying to follow that formula.\u00a0 So, I wrote a workshop called <em>The Busy Homeschool Mom\u2019s Guide to Romance<\/em> that I started doing about seven years ago.\u00a0 The book came out of that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen we were in Spokane, Washington, I found an attorney who specializes in homeschool divorce; and I thought, \u201cIf someone can make a living off of divorce within the homeschool community, somebody needs to start talking about marriage and why it\u2019s so important.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, we started saying, \u201cHey, academics aren\u2019t the thing.\u201d\u00a0 And I would say that to any mom.\u00a0 Academics and schooling all that stuff, if you follow the Lord, if you\u2019ll let Him lead your family, if you\u2019ll focus on the things of first importance, then God will do what God does best; and He\u2019ll fill in the gaps for you.\u00a0 That\u2019s what He is the best at.\u00a0 So, that\u2019s what we do.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe remind parents to focus on the things of first importance.\u00a0 You nurture your relationship with the Lord.\u00a0 Then, you nurture your relationship with your husband or your wife.\u00a0 Then, you raise your family, and in that order.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 The sacrifice of homeschooling\u2014and it does demand a sacrifice\u2014is really born out of a love for your kids.\u00a0 I mean you want the best for your kids.\u00a0 So, this is how you\u2019re going to nurture and disciple them; but that love for kids can become an idol that gets in the way of other higher priorities.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to be careful of a child-centered home.\u00a0 I mean we see a lot of it in this culture, and it\u2019s a killer.\u00a0 So, we\u2019re always telling parents, \u201cIt\u2019s a priority issue.\u201d\u00a0 I don\u2019t necessarily think we\u2019re doing it on purpose.\u00a0 It\u2019s a lack of understanding of what happens when we get our priorities out of order; that kind of makes it go all wacky in the first place.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Heidi, you\u2019ve done a great job of really equipping moms to better address the issue of romance in a busy culture.\u00a0 Just to summarize what you\u2019ve talked about--you\u2019ve challenged moms not to be pretenders but to let their love be authentic--Romans, Chapter 12, verse nine--and be honest about the relationship\u2014don\u2019t pretend that your Christian marriage is all good and perfect when it\u2019s in the tank.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, don\u2019t live parallel lives.\u00a0 Become a cord of three strands.\u00a0 Wrap yourselves together around Jesus Christ, build into one another\u2019s lives spiritually, and don\u2019t neglect the romantic side of your marriage relationship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Finally, reaffirm your covenant, your marriage covenant, both in promise and in deed, and keep your covenant.\u00a0 Your covenant is not merely a promise not to divorce.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>I really appreciate the illustration of your grandparents because you really talked about a fiery relationship between two very real people, very different people; but who kept pursuing each other, who kept on coming back to each other, who kept on preferring one another.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think all three of these things are great reminders for all of us, especially in a culture that is really degrading marriages, is demeaning commitment, and really for all practical purposes, wants us to quit.\u00a0 I just appreciate your work and hope you\u2019ll come back and see us again sometime.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you.\u00a0 I\u2019d love to.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I hope our listeners are going to go to FamilyLifeToday.com, get more information about your book, which we\u2019ve got in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\u00a0 The book is called <em>The Busy Homeschool Mom\u2019s Guide to Romance: Nurturing Your Marriage Through the Homeschool Years<\/em>.\u00a0 You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to order a copy of the book; or you can order by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY; get more information when you get in touch with us about how to get a copy of Heidi\u2019s book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was just sitting here thinking about the couples who, this weekend, are going to be making the kind of investment we\u2019ve been talking about in their marriages.\u00a0 We have a couple thousand couples who are going this weekend to one of our <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em> marriage getaways in\u2014I think we\u2019re in eight cities this weekend.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNext weekend, we\u2019re in Northwest Washington; Sioux Falls, Idaho; Pittsburgh; Coeur d'Alene; Fort Wayne; Estes Park; and then, the weekend after that we\u2019ve got more <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways happening.\u00a0 If you have never been to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, there is still time for you to go this fall.\u00a0 These are great weekend getaways for couples where you can build into the foundation of your marriage, the commitment that needs to be that bedrock foundation for every marriage relationship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>Find out more about the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> or about the <em>Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> video event.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got a few hundred of those events happening this fall as well.\u00a0 There is information about both of those available online at FamilyLifeToday.com; or if you have any questions, call us. 1-800-FL-TODAY is the number; 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then, the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019m grateful for the fact that along with the team here at FamilyLife, we are joined in the mission that God\u2019s called us to, to effectively develop godly families who change the world one home at a time.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019re joined in that mission by tens of thousands of people all around the country: people who host <em>Art of Marriage<\/em> events, people who volunteer to help us out at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em> getaways, people who pass the word along to others about this daily radio program, who share the resources that we\u2019ve developed here with other folks.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of you are a part of this mission.\u00a0 You\u2019re all teammates of ours as we work together to strengthen marriages and families and strengthen the foundation of our culture.\u00a0 We appreciate those of you who help support this ministry.\u00a0 Your donations are the lifeblood of this ministry.\u00a0 You keep us on the air.\u00a0 You keep our website up and going.\u00a0 You keep us developing new resources.\u00a0 We are grateful for your support of this work, and we just want to say thanks and let you know how much we appreciate you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br>If you can make a donation today to help support the ministry, we\u2019d like to send you as a thank you gift two CDs where we have an ongoing conversation with author and speaker, Shaunti Feldhahn, about men: how they think, what they feel, what\u2019s important to them.\u00a0 Shaunti did a research project where she surveyed hundreds of men and learned some pretty interesting things.\u00a0 It\u2019ll give you insight into your fianc\u00e9, into your husband.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAsk for the CDs, <em>For Women Only,<\/em> when you make a donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click the button that says, \u201cI CARE.\u201d\u00a0 Right there with your online donation, you can request the CDs; or call 1-800-FL-TODAY.\u00a0 Make a donation over the phone and just ask for the CDs, <em>For Women Only,<\/em> when you get in touch with us.\u00a0 We\u2019d be happy to send them out to you, and we appreciate your support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you can be back with us on Monday when we\u2019re going to talk with Judy Starr.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to hear the story of how she almost made a horrible mistake in her marriage.\u00a0 She got right up to the edge, tempted to walk away from her husband and into the arms of another man.\u00a0 She\u2019ll tell her story Monday, and I hope you can be here for that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back on Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2012 FamilyLife.\u00a0 All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/302623","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302623"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302623"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302623"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302623"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=302623"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=302623"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=302623"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}