{"id":302603,"date":"2012-09-28T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2012-09-28T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving\/"},"modified":"2012-09-28T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2012-09-28T15:00:00","slug":"adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving\/","title":{"rendered":"Adoption:  The Gift That Keeps on Giving"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So why would God call you into something so challenging as adoption?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2012-09-28.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"24.87M","filesize_raw":"26082041","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2818],"tags":[2712,5136,4475],"podcast_series":[7683],"cwp_profile":[9176],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302603","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-adoption-and-orphans","tag-adoption","tag-foster-care","tag-orphans","podcast_series-our-adoption-story","cwp_profile-mark-and-katharyn-richt","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302603\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302603\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"ImNImusHey\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving\/\">Adoption:  The Gift That Keeps on Giving<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/adoption-the-gift-that-keeps-on-giving\/embed\/#?secret=ImNImusHey\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Adoption:  The Gift That Keeps on Giving&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"ImNImusHey\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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There is something about choosing a child and grafting them into your family, where they are no different.\u00a0 They are yours.\u00a0 They have the same piece of your heart that the other children have, and they get it all.\u00a0\u00a0 In some mystical way, I think there is a set-apart nature of a child who is adopted because you chose them.\u00a0 That\u2019s a little different than your biological children, who you didn\u2019t necessarily choose as such, but you received. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth come from the hands of God\u2014both your biological children and your adopted children.\u00a0 Coach Mark Richt and his wife Katharyn join us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Good to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They have two adopted children from the Ukraine.\u00a0 Earlier, we heard Katharyn\u2014from you\u2014how, as you received your son in the orphanage, he immediately began acting out all kinds of things\u2014hitting things, turning vases upside down, throwing blocks\u2014and your daughter started crying.\u00a0 At that point, I wanted to step in and go, \u201cIsn\u2019t it interesting\u2014some of the things you learn as an adoptive parent?\u201d\u00a0 I thought, \u201cYou know what I want to do?\u00a0 I want to do a broadcast with you two just on lessons learned as adoptive parents,\u201d because there are a lot of them.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Barbara and I have an adopted child.\u00a0 I would have to say, at the outset, no single decision we have ever made in our lives, outside of becoming followers of Christ, has made our understanding of what it means to be a child of God and adopted by God, spiritually, as much as adopting our daughter, Deborah.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask you guys, both\u2014your sons, John and David, biological children\u2014how old were they when you started thinking about adopting?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The whole process happened in basically seven months.\u00a0 David had just turned four and John was nine.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Were they able to enter into this with you?\u00a0 Were you having family councils and saying, \u201cDo you guys think we should do this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 They were excited.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. We hung the little picture up on the refrigerator and prayed for them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Every night before we went to bed.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 We talked about them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, they were in on it.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 They were excited about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 As a matter of fact, from the onset, I don\u2019t know that Mark was fully onboard\u2014but I wanted to take John and David with me when I went to get Zach and Anya.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was like, \u201cNo way.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, he was like, \u201cNo way.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now, why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, there was a country that we\u2019ve never been to; and we don\u2019t know who is there.\u00a0 We really don\u2019t know the people.\u00a0 We had some peace in that there was some safety there but I was, \u201cWhat the heck?\u00a0 We don\u2019t know what\u2019s out there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019re talking the Ukraine\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u2014and you weren\u2019t going to be able to go.\u00a0 You were sending your wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong> Right; exactly.\u00a0 I\u2019ll tell you\u2014even that trip to the airport\u2014that\u2019s when I had my first doubt.\u00a0 \u201cWhat am I doing, sending my wife to some country I\u2019ve never been before, by herself?\u00a0 I won\u2019t get to talk to her for about 28 hours before we can have contact.\u201d\u00a0 I really wasn\u2019t too excited about her leaving at that time, but the peace came in that we really and truly believed it was a God-thing\u2014so we had that faith to let her go, but it was not easy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It began as a faith journey, adopting both of those children.\u00a0 As we mentioned earlier, Anya has a disfiguration, as you adopted her, on the left side of her face.\u00a0 Is that correct?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And is it a disease or is it genetic disorder?\u00a0 How would you describe it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 They would call it juvenile fibromytosis\u2014is what I think it has been diagnosed as\u2014where tumors will grow.\u00a0 They have never really seen it happen in the face, but it\u2019s happened in other extremities at random times and at random rates.\u00a0 She had a tumor in there.\u00a0 That caused her face, her jaw, and everything to stop growing on that side of her face.\u00a0 Then, the other side of her face is taking over that side because this side is not growing because of the tumor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark: <\/strong>\u00a0There isn\u2019t a lot of blood flow on that side of her face so the bones are not growing, as Katharyn said.\u00a0 The other side is really growing pretty normally but is now becoming longer and bigger on one side than the other.\u00a0 One day, when her face is full-grown, and her skull, and everything is full-grown\u2014we\u2019ll have the doctors go in there and try to make it much more symmetrical.\u00a0 The skin doesn\u2019t like to cooperate sometimes.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let\u2019s talk about that for just a moment.\u00a0 What is the most important lesson you\u2019ve learned about loving a little girl who is starting out life with a physical limitation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, our hearts were one of\u2014at the beginning, to just like grasp her up, and shield her, protect her, and take care of her; but then, you realize how awesome God is because He has given Anya a confidence that is truly remarkable.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Exactly.\u00a0 There is no doubt about that.\u00a0 What I would say is\u2014in a very short amount of time\u2014we realized that she is just like every other kid who needs discipline.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Okay? <strong>\u00a0<\/strong>We were going to have love-hug therapy for a year.\u00a0 That was our goal.\u00a0 We were going to hug them for a year and just love them.\u00a0 Then, within a couple of days, it was like, \u201cNo, they need discipline.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 The first day.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cWe\u2019re going to love them with a swatter.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Whom the Lord loves, He chastens.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Everybody wants to feel sorry for Anya and all that; but let me tell you something.\u00a0 No one needs to feel sorry for Anya.\u00a0 She is a very, very normal kid in every way\u2014other than that face of hers\u2014which I think is beautiful.\u00a0 She is just a normal kid.\u00a0 It\u2019s like any kid.\u00a0 If you give them too much attention\u2014if the world revolves around the kid\u2014then, you have a spoiled brat.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have to guard from that all the time because everybody wants to empathize with how she looks.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And she takes full advantage of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Does she?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes, she does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 There is no doubt.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So she\u2019s using it to wrap other people.\u00a0 Let\u2019s talk about your son, then,\u00a0 Zach.\u00a0 What\u2019s been the number one lesson you\u2019ve learned?\u00a0 Earlier, we heard that the way Zach started out was breaking things, throwing things, knocking things over.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 He was just a little terror on wheels, actually.\u00a0 About 11days, after getting into America, he broke his femur.\u00a0\u00a0 He was in a body cast.\u00a0 We would wheel him around in a little wagon, with a little chair in it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Three-and-a-half years old.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, three-and-a-half years old. He couldn\u2019t really communicate.\u00a0 Other than the pain that he had to endure, I was a little bit thankful.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 It slowed him down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Because it slowed him down. I\u2019m sorry.\u00a0 I have to be honest.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 She had to chase him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The wagon was not motorized?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Exactly.\u00a0 He could not go anywhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 He was at the mercy of everybody.\u00a0 It probably was really good for Zach.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I think the biggest lesson with Zach, for me, was that every child is different.\u00a0 Anya and Zach are so different that it\u2019s unbelievable.\u00a0 They do have a little special bond, I think, still.\u00a0 They know they came from the same place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid was very close to their age.\u00a0 David had to live with them, so to speak, in the bunker\u2014where John was four or five years ahead of everybody.\u00a0 They looked up to John, but John didn\u2019t have to live in their world.\u00a0 David did.\u00a0 David\u2019s life is the life that got disrupted the most.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was a competitive deal with Anya and David.\u00a0 There was definitely some rivalry and maybe even some resentment at times; but now, that David has grown into this man, he\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did he feel pushed aside a little bit; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Possibly.\u00a0 Even in that interview we talked about the other day with ESPN, I said, \u201cIf you are going to do a special on our family, please include John and David,\u201d because that is kind of what happens.\u00a0 People hone in on the adopted children.\u00a0 Then, they will hone in on Anya because of her face.\u00a0 Then, everybody else doesn\u2019t exist sometimes.\u00a0 I\u2019m always real conscious of wanting everybody to understand, \u201cHey, we are all one big family, and we love them all the same.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 To that point, Barbara and I talked often.\u00a0 Bob, I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever mentioned it, here on the broadcast with our listeners; but we mentioned often that we wished we had adopted another one because I think adopted children do bond with other adopted children.\u00a0 They identify with some of the feelings of not being an insider at points and not having the same hair color, or characteristics, or habits\u2014\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Baby pictures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014that genetically get passed on.\u00a0 I\u2019m really glad you pointed that out.\u00a0 Let me take you to another slant of the lessons you\u2019ve learned.\u00a0 What was the most challenging moment in adopting these children from the Ukraine?\u00a0 I\u2019d like you both to answer this.\u00a0 When has your faith most been tested? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Every day.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, it is stretched every day.\u00a0 All children are manipulative.\u00a0 We all are.\u00a0 All people are trying to get your way.\u00a0 You\u2019re going to try to go into a situation and do it; but Anya and Zach\u2014because they had to do that for survival techniques\u2014are masters.\u00a0 It is exhausting to constantly put the boundaries that they need in place for them.\u00a0 You\u2019re always finding you need new boundaries for them.\u00a0 Their security, from Mark and I, comes from those boundaries.\u00a0 You can tell, when they\u2019re not in place, they act out on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just exhausting to me.\u00a0 That\u2019s where I just have to constantly say, \u201cLord, they are Yours.\u00a0 They\u2019re Yours.\u00a0 You are going to cover all the mistakes that I am making with them.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got it covered,\u201d \u2014and just relying and trusting constantly for the wisdom to know how to handle it because they are different than John and David.\u00a0 <strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They are coming out of a different context.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very different.\u00a0 Even now, today, ten years later, it is different\u2014handling the situations with them.\u00a0 It\u2019s not the same.\u00a0 So, you are constantly asking the Lord for wisdom:\u00a0 \u201cWhat do You want me to do?\u00a0 How do I do\u2014? How do I get to their heart?\u00a0 How is God going to use us to help them grasp how much He loves them and get a hold of them?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes; Coach?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Katharyn mentioned getting their heart.\u00a0 I think the children bonded very quickly to Katharyn.\u00a0 Katharyn became the caregiver that they were so used to.\u00a0 As I said, when we adopted them, it was the week prior to the season beginning.\u00a0 With my schedule, I\u2019m gone a lot.\u00a0 I see them.\u00a0 Katharyn would bring them over.\u00a0 We would have lunch once in a while, dinner once in a while. I\u2019d see them in the morning.\u00a0 I\u2019d see them here and there; but I really wasn\u2019t a factor in their lives on a daily basis, especially in care-giving.\u00a0 Then, when the season ended and I became more of a visible person\u2014and actually part of daily life for them\u2014I know, for a fact, that Anya really, really resented me being around.\u00a0 She really loved\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cWho is this guy and why is he messing in our world?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cHe\u2019s bringing some pain to my life.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 I was taking the attention of Momma, who was her caregiver and her security.\u00a0 I think she was very jealous of me in my relationship to Katharyn.\u00a0 She, quite frankly, would get to the point where she would be very disrespectful to me.\u00a0 In the beginning, as I was trying to sort out how to handle it, we tried to reason with a child who wasn\u2019t ready to be reasoned with.\u00a0 Then, finally, I had to discipline her for being disrespectful to me, \u201cYou will not be disrespectful to me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce she understood that, then it took about another five or six years before I think we truly began to bond as a father and daughter.\u00a0 Matter of fact, there was a wedding\u2014was it Bobby\u2019s wedding?\u00a0 How long ago was that, Honey? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two, three years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two or three years ago.\u00a0 At that wedding, for some reason, when all the dancing broke out, Anya and I danced together; and she loved it.\u00a0 She just wanted to dance.\u00a0 We danced the whole reception.\u00a0 Then, for weeks on after that, she was like, \u201cDad, can we\u201d \u2014we had a little routine we made up, where I\u2019d slide her between my legs, and twirl her around, and all that.\u00a0 She just loved it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFrom that point forward, it became more of what you might have hoped it would be within the first couple of months.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had to be very, very patient in that way.\u00a0\u00a0 Then, Zach\u2014Zach is very, very quiet.\u00a0 He can be off on his own and be very, very happy to look at bugs, and snakes, or play with his little toys.\u00a0 You don\u2019t have to bother with Zach.\u00a0 Zach doesn\u2019t demand attention like Anya does or like some other children do.\u00a0 So, you have to be very intentional to spend time with Zach, and get into his world, and try to bond with him, too.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKatharyn is talking about capturing their hearts.\u00a0 We need to capture the hearts of our children or we don\u2019t have a chance.\u00a0 Like Katharyn said, above them bonding with us, we want them to bond with Jesus Christ.\u00a0 That is the \u201cA\u201d number one for them and for John and David, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Katharyn, I\u2019ve heard Dennis say many times that parents often have a fairy-tale picture of what adoption is going to be like:\u00a0 \u201cWe\u2019re going to bring these kids home.\u00a0 They\u2019re going to recognize that we have made sacrifices to bring them into our family.\u00a0 They\u2019re going to be so grateful to us, throughout their life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you have any of that when you adopted?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know that I went over there, believing in my heart, that God had sent us over there to rescue them\u2014to bring them to a family\u2014to where they would come to know Him.\u00a0 What I didn\u2019t realize was what He was going to work on\u2014me.\u00a0 My dependency on Him grew as we brought those children home and tried to raise them up in the admonition of the Lord.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We talked about the cost and the challenges, which is good.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think we talk enough about what you really learn as you adopt and the commitment that it takes.\u00a0 I want to move to the tender side.\u00a0 For each of you, what is your favorite memory of a tender moment when it\u2019s the big-time payoff?\u00a0 It\u2019s God giving you an, \u201cAtta Boy!\u201d\u00a0 It just touches your heart and goes all the way to the toes of your feet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, it goes back to that day Anya and I were dancing.\u00a0 I felt, for the first time, she wanted to spend time with Daddy.\u00a0 That seemed to turn things in a really good direction.\u00a0 With Zach, we were actually doing our <em>Passport to Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\u00a0 We were at this gentleman\u2019s cabin, out by a stream that had rainbow trout.\u00a0 Zach and I were going through the <em>Passport to Purity<\/em> program and having a good time with that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of our activities was fishing, of course.\u00a0 We had a ball, fishing; but Zach would throw that line in maybe 20 feet at the max.\u00a0 As soon as it hit the water, there was a big giant trout on it.\u00a0 Zach really didn\u2019t have the hand strength to reel it in so he just started running away from the water as fast as he could and just would drag the trout on the shore.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, I got that sucker off and threw it back in there.\u00a0 Then, we\u2019d bait up his hook.\u00a0 He\u2019d throw it out there again, and hit it again, and he\u2019d start running again.\u00a0 That was a great moment that we shared together because a lot of times\u2014we call it Men\u2019s Town in our family\u2014when just the boys go somewhere, it\u2019s Men\u2019s Town.\u00a0 It\u2019s usually me, John, David, and Zach.\u00a0 We\u2019re always together.\u00a0 The Women\u2019s Town is Anya, one-on-one with Momma.\u00a0 So, I don\u2019t get as much one-on-one with the boys.\u00a0\u00a0 That was a time where I had more one-on-one with Zach than I\u2019d ever had since we\u2019ve been together.\u00a0 It was a real blessing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, I think it came along in a conversation.\u00a0 They love to watch their videos from when we first got them.\u00a0 We actually watched\u2014I don\u2019t know if it was John or David\u2019s birth.\u00a0 That caused Anya to start questioning, \u201cDo you know what mine was like or my mom?\u201d\u00a0 Zach was sitting there.\u00a0 I was able to tell them both that God knit them in their mother\u2019s womb, but He knew that Mark and I were going to be their parents.\u00a0 He chose them for our family.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think them listening to that\u2014and then, maybe a few days later\u2014each one, at different times, just coming up and hugging and saying, \u201cI\u2019m glad God chose this family and you guys as our parents.\u201d\u00a0 At different times\u2014just giving us a hug brings tears to your eyes.\u00a0 That is a special moment.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think the reason those moments are so profound is because it is a piece of God\u2019s heart.\u00a0 It says, \u201cReligion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this\u2014to visit orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained from the world.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t understand it, but adoption has done a lot for me\u2014to redeem me from myself and to teach me that there is a heavenly Father who pursued me and grafted me into His family when I didn\u2019t care about being in His family.\u00a0 He chased me down.\u00a0 The Hound of Heaven chased me down\u2014more than likely\u2014a bulldog.\u00a0\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Could have been.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 More than likely\u2014a bulldog.\u00a0 Thank you for sharing your story, Mark and Katharyn, about your care for the orphans.\u00a0 I hope our listeners will gain from this in their own lives and will also listen to the Lord.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat is your assignment in this\u2014to pray for the orphans?\u00a0 To maybe give, as we talked about earlier, so somebody else can go adopt?\u00a0 Perhaps, be a foster care parent, or an adoptive parent yourself, or start an orphan care ministry in your local church.\u00a0 Join the movement.\u00a0 There is a movement of people.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have a great way for folks to get engaged\u2014coming up here, in a few weeks.\u00a0 Orphan Sunday\u2014Sunday, November 4<sup>th<\/sup>\u2014that weekend, our team is mobilizing folks, all around the country, to host a workshop in your community or in your local church.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>If You Were Mine<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em>.\u00a0 It answers the questions people have about adoption.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the thing\u2014lots of people have thought about adoption\u2014but very few people take the next step because people have questions, and they don\u2019t know where to get answers.\u00a0 The <em>If You Were Mine <\/em>video workshop gives the answers.\u00a0 It lays out what the adoption process looks like, helps people understand how you pray through, how you weigh the decision of whether to adopt.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn Orphan Sunday weekend, November 3<sup>rd<\/sup> and 4<sup>th<\/sup>, we\u2019re hoping to host hundreds of these <em>If You Were Mine <\/em>video workshops in communities, all across the country.\u00a0 If you will get in touch with us and let us know that you\u2019re interested in hosting and facilitating one of these workshops\u2014for the first 500 people we hear from\u2014the video seminar is free.\u00a0 We\u2019ll send you the video resource so that you can host one of these events in your local church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDetails are online at FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019d like more information.\u00a0 Again, FamilyLifeToday.com is our website.\u00a0 There is also a link there for the Together for Adoption pastor\u2019s workshop, taking place next weekend in Louisville, Kentucky, at Southern Seminary.\u00a0 The <em>Hope for Orphans<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em>team is helping out with that.\u00a0 And mark your calendar now for May 2<sup>nd<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup> in 2013.\u00a0 The ninth annual Christian Alliance for Orphans Summit will take place in Nashville, Tennessee, on May 2<sup>nd<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup>, 2013.\u00a0 We\u2019d love to see you there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, there\u2019s a lot going on.\u00a0 You can get information about all of it when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call us, toll-free, at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 Someone on our team can get back in touch with you and answer any questions you might have about all of this that\u2019s coming up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that, we have to wrap things up for today.\u00a0 Thanks for being with us.\u00a0 Hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend.\u00a0 And I hope you can join us on Monday when Jenny Allen is going to be here to talk about the scariest prayer she ever prayed and how God answered her prayer.\u00a0 Want to know what the prayer was?\u00a0 Well, tune in Monday and Jenny will tell you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today\u2014his name is Keith Lynch\u2014and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray 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is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I am Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We are going to hear today from Coach Mark Richt and his wife Katharyn about their decision to bring their little daughter Anya home.\u00a0\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 We\u2019ve already talked this week about the fact that you like interviewing coaches, but I\u2019m not so sure.\u00a0 You may like interviewing adoptive parents even more than you like interviewing coaches.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They are a kindred spirit.\u00a0 They\u2019re just kindred spirit. There is something about choosing a child and grafting them into your family, where they are no different.\u00a0 They are yours.\u00a0 They have the same piece of your heart that the other children have, and they get it all.\u00a0\u00a0 In some mystical way, I think there is a set-apart nature of a child who is adopted because you chose them.\u00a0 That\u2019s a little different than your biological children, who you didn\u2019t necessarily choose as such, but you received. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBoth come from the hands of God\u2014both your biological children and your adopted children.\u00a0 Coach Mark Richt and his wife Katharyn join us again on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Good to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They have two adopted children from the Ukraine.\u00a0 Earlier, we heard Katharyn\u2014from you\u2014how, as you received your son in the orphanage, he immediately began acting out all kinds of things\u2014hitting things, turning vases upside down, throwing blocks\u2014and your daughter started crying.\u00a0 At that point, I wanted to step in and go, \u201cIsn\u2019t it interesting\u2014some of the things you learn as an adoptive parent?\u201d\u00a0 I thought, \u201cYou know what I want to do?\u00a0 I want to do a broadcast with you two just on lessons learned as adoptive parents,\u201d because there are a lot of them.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Barbara and I have an adopted child.\u00a0 I would have to say, at the outset, no single decision we have ever made in our lives, outside of becoming followers of Christ, has made our understanding of what it means to be a child of God and adopted by God, spiritually, as much as adopting our daughter, Deborah.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask you guys, both\u2014your sons, John and David, biological children\u2014how old were they when you started thinking about adopting?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The whole process happened in basically seven months.\u00a0 David had just turned four and John was nine.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Were they able to enter into this with you?\u00a0 Were you having family councils and saying, \u201cDo you guys think we should do this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 They were excited.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes. We hung the little picture up on the refrigerator and prayed for them\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Every night before we went to bed.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 We talked about them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, they were in on it.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, very much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 They were excited about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 As a matter of fact, from the onset, I don\u2019t know that Mark was fully onboard\u2014but I wanted to take John and David with me when I went to get Zach and Anya.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was like, \u201cNo way.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, he was like, \u201cNo way.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now, why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, there was a country that we\u2019ve never been to; and we don\u2019t know who is there.\u00a0 We really don\u2019t know the people.\u00a0 We had some peace in that there was some safety there but I was, \u201cWhat the heck?\u00a0 We don\u2019t know what\u2019s out there.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019re talking the Ukraine\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u2014and you weren\u2019t going to be able to go.\u00a0 You were sending your wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong> Right; exactly.\u00a0 I\u2019ll tell you\u2014even that trip to the airport\u2014that\u2019s when I had my first doubt.\u00a0 \u201cWhat am I doing, sending my wife to some country I\u2019ve never been before, by herself?\u00a0 I won\u2019t get to talk to her for about 28 hours before we can have contact.\u201d\u00a0 I really wasn\u2019t too excited about her leaving at that time, but the peace came in that we really and truly believed it was a God-thing\u2014so we had that faith to let her go, but it was not easy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It began as a faith journey, adopting both of those children.\u00a0 As we mentioned earlier, Anya has a disfiguration, as you adopted her, on the left side of her face.\u00a0 Is that correct?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And is it a disease or is it genetic disorder?\u00a0 How would you describe it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 They would call it juvenile fibromytosis\u2014is what I think it has been diagnosed as\u2014where tumors will grow.\u00a0 They have never really seen it happen in the face, but it\u2019s happened in other extremities at random times and at random rates.\u00a0 She had a tumor in there.\u00a0 That caused her face, her jaw, and everything to stop growing on that side of her face.\u00a0 Then, the other side of her face is taking over that side because this side is not growing because of the tumor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark: <\/strong>\u00a0There isn\u2019t a lot of blood flow on that side of her face so the bones are not growing, as Katharyn said.\u00a0 The other side is really growing pretty normally but is now becoming longer and bigger on one side than the other.\u00a0 One day, when her face is full-grown, and her skull, and everything is full-grown\u2014we\u2019ll have the doctors go in there and try to make it much more symmetrical.\u00a0 The skin doesn\u2019t like to cooperate sometimes.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let\u2019s talk about that for just a moment.\u00a0 What is the most important lesson you\u2019ve learned about loving a little girl who is starting out life with a physical limitation?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, our hearts were one of\u2014at the beginning, to just like grasp her up, and shield her, protect her, and take care of her; but then, you realize how awesome God is because He has given Anya a confidence that is truly remarkable.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Exactly.\u00a0 There is no doubt about that.\u00a0 What I would say is\u2014in a very short amount of time\u2014we realized that she is just like every other kid who needs discipline.\u00a0 [Laughter]\u00a0 Okay? <strong>\u00a0<\/strong>We were going to have love-hug therapy for a year.\u00a0 That was our goal.\u00a0 We were going to hug them for a year and just love them.\u00a0 Then, within a couple of days, it was like, \u201cNo, they need discipline.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 The first day.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cWe\u2019re going to love them with a swatter.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Whom the Lord loves, He chastens.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Everybody wants to feel sorry for Anya and all that; but let me tell you something.\u00a0 No one needs to feel sorry for Anya.\u00a0 She is a very, very normal kid in every way\u2014other than that face of hers\u2014which I think is beautiful.\u00a0 She is just a normal kid.\u00a0 It\u2019s like any kid.\u00a0 If you give them too much attention\u2014if the world revolves around the kid\u2014then, you have a spoiled brat.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 There you go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have to guard from that all the time because everybody wants to empathize with how she looks.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And she takes full advantage of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Does she?\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes, she does.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 There is no doubt.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So she\u2019s using it to wrap other people.\u00a0 Let\u2019s talk about your son, then,\u00a0 Zach.\u00a0 What\u2019s been the number one lesson you\u2019ve learned?\u00a0 Earlier, we heard that the way Zach started out was breaking things, throwing things, knocking things over.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 He was just a little terror on wheels, actually.\u00a0 About 11days, after getting into America, he broke his femur.\u00a0\u00a0 He was in a body cast.\u00a0 We would wheel him around in a little wagon, with a little chair in it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Three-and-a-half years old.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, three-and-a-half years old. He couldn\u2019t really communicate.\u00a0 Other than the pain that he had to endure, I was a little bit thankful.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 It slowed him down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Because it slowed him down. I\u2019m sorry.\u00a0 I have to be honest.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 She had to chase him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The wagon was not motorized?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Exactly.\u00a0 He could not go anywhere.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 He was at the mercy of everybody.\u00a0 It probably was really good for Zach.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I think the biggest lesson with Zach, for me, was that every child is different.\u00a0 Anya and Zach are so different that it\u2019s unbelievable.\u00a0 They do have a little special bond, I think, still.\u00a0 They know they came from the same place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid was very close to their age.\u00a0 David had to live with them, so to speak, in the bunker\u2014where John was four or five years ahead of everybody.\u00a0 They looked up to John, but John didn\u2019t have to live in their world.\u00a0 David did.\u00a0 David\u2019s life is the life that got disrupted the most.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was a competitive deal with Anya and David.\u00a0 There was definitely some rivalry and maybe even some resentment at times; but now, that David has grown into this man, he\u2019s\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did he feel pushed aside a little bit; do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Possibly.\u00a0 Even in that interview we talked about the other day with ESPN, I said, \u201cIf you are going to do a special on our family, please include John and David,\u201d because that is kind of what happens.\u00a0 People hone in on the adopted children.\u00a0 Then, they will hone in on Anya because of her face.\u00a0 Then, everybody else doesn\u2019t exist sometimes.\u00a0 I\u2019m always real conscious of wanting everybody to understand, \u201cHey, we are all one big family, and we love them all the same.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 To that point, Barbara and I talked often.\u00a0 Bob, I don\u2019t think I\u2019ve ever mentioned it, here on the broadcast with our listeners; but we mentioned often that we wished we had adopted another one because I think adopted children do bond with other adopted children.\u00a0 They identify with some of the feelings of not being an insider at points and not having the same hair color, or characteristics, or habits\u2014\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Baby pictures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014that genetically get passed on.\u00a0 I\u2019m really glad you pointed that out.\u00a0 Let me take you to another slant of the lessons you\u2019ve learned.\u00a0 What was the most challenging moment in adopting these children from the Ukraine?\u00a0 I\u2019d like you both to answer this.\u00a0 When has your faith most been tested? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Every day.\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn: <\/strong>\u00a0Yes, it is stretched every day.\u00a0 All children are manipulative.\u00a0 We all are.\u00a0 All people are trying to get your way.\u00a0 You\u2019re going to try to go into a situation and do it; but Anya and Zach\u2014because they had to do that for survival techniques\u2014are masters.\u00a0 It is exhausting to constantly put the boundaries that they need in place for them.\u00a0 You\u2019re always finding you need new boundaries for them.\u00a0 Their security, from Mark and I, comes from those boundaries.\u00a0 You can tell, when they\u2019re not in place, they act out on it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s just exhausting to me.\u00a0 That\u2019s where I just have to constantly say, \u201cLord, they are Yours.\u00a0 They\u2019re Yours.\u00a0 You are going to cover all the mistakes that I am making with them.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got it covered,\u201d \u2014and just relying and trusting constantly for the wisdom to know how to handle it because they are different than John and David.\u00a0 <strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They are coming out of a different context.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very different.\u00a0 Even now, today, ten years later, it is different\u2014handling the situations with them.\u00a0 It\u2019s not the same.\u00a0 So, you are constantly asking the Lord for wisdom:\u00a0 \u201cWhat do You want me to do?\u00a0 How do I do\u2014? How do I get to their heart?\u00a0 How is God going to use us to help them grasp how much He loves them and get a hold of them?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes; Coach?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0\u00a0 <\/strong>Katharyn mentioned getting their heart.\u00a0 I think the children bonded very quickly to Katharyn.\u00a0 Katharyn became the caregiver that they were so used to.\u00a0 As I said, when we adopted them, it was the week prior to the season beginning.\u00a0 With my schedule, I\u2019m gone a lot.\u00a0 I see them.\u00a0 Katharyn would bring them over.\u00a0 We would have lunch once in a while, dinner once in a while. I\u2019d see them in the morning.\u00a0 I\u2019d see them here and there; but I really wasn\u2019t a factor in their lives on a daily basis, especially in care-giving.\u00a0 Then, when the season ended and I became more of a visible person\u2014and actually part of daily life for them\u2014I know, for a fact, that Anya really, really resented me being around.\u00a0 She really loved\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cWho is this guy and why is he messing in our world?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cHe\u2019s bringing some pain to my life.\u201d\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 I was taking the attention of Momma, who was her caregiver and her security.\u00a0 I think she was very jealous of me in my relationship to Katharyn.\u00a0 She, quite frankly, would get to the point where she would be very disrespectful to me.\u00a0 In the beginning, as I was trying to sort out how to handle it, we tried to reason with a child who wasn\u2019t ready to be reasoned with.\u00a0 Then, finally, I had to discipline her for being disrespectful to me, \u201cYou will not be disrespectful to me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOnce she understood that, then it took about another five or six years before I think we truly began to bond as a father and daughter.\u00a0 Matter of fact, there was a wedding\u2014was it Bobby\u2019s wedding?\u00a0 How long ago was that, Honey? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two, three years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two or three years ago.\u00a0 At that wedding, for some reason, when all the dancing broke out, Anya and I danced together; and she loved it.\u00a0 She just wanted to dance.\u00a0 We danced the whole reception.\u00a0 Then, for weeks on after that, she was like, \u201cDad, can we\u201d \u2014we had a little routine we made up, where I\u2019d slide her between my legs, and twirl her around, and all that.\u00a0 She just loved it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFrom that point forward, it became more of what you might have hoped it would be within the first couple of months.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had to be very, very patient in that way.\u00a0\u00a0 Then, Zach\u2014Zach is very, very quiet.\u00a0 He can be off on his own and be very, very happy to look at bugs, and snakes, or play with his little toys.\u00a0 You don\u2019t have to bother with Zach.\u00a0 Zach doesn\u2019t demand attention like Anya does or like some other children do.\u00a0 So, you have to be very intentional to spend time with Zach, and get into his world, and try to bond with him, too.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKatharyn is talking about capturing their hearts.\u00a0 We need to capture the hearts of our children or we don\u2019t have a chance.\u00a0 Like Katharyn said, above them bonding with us, we want them to bond with Jesus Christ.\u00a0 That is the \u201cA\u201d number one for them and for John and David, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Katharyn, I\u2019ve heard Dennis say many times that parents often have a fairy-tale picture of what adoption is going to be like:\u00a0 \u201cWe\u2019re going to bring these kids home.\u00a0 They\u2019re going to recognize that we have made sacrifices to bring them into our family.\u00a0 They\u2019re going to be so grateful to us, throughout their life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you have any of that when you adopted?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know that I went over there, believing in my heart, that God had sent us over there to rescue them\u2014to bring them to a family\u2014to where they would come to know Him.\u00a0 What I didn\u2019t realize was what He was going to work on\u2014me.\u00a0 My dependency on Him grew as we brought those children home and tried to raise them up in the admonition of the Lord.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We talked about the cost and the challenges, which is good.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think we talk enough about what you really learn as you adopt and the commitment that it takes.\u00a0 I want to move to the tender side.\u00a0 For each of you, what is your favorite memory of a tender moment when it\u2019s the big-time payoff?\u00a0 It\u2019s God giving you an, \u201cAtta Boy!\u201d\u00a0 It just touches your heart and goes all the way to the toes of your feet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, it goes back to that day Anya and I were dancing.\u00a0 I felt, for the first time, she wanted to spend time with Daddy.\u00a0 That seemed to turn things in a really good direction.\u00a0 With Zach, we were actually doing our <em>Passport to Purity<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\u00a0 We were at this gentleman\u2019s cabin, out by a stream that had rainbow trout.\u00a0 Zach and I were going through the <em>Passport to Purity<\/em> program and having a good time with that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of our activities was fishing, of course.\u00a0 We had a ball, fishing; but Zach would throw that line in maybe 20 feet at the max.\u00a0 As soon as it hit the water, there was a big giant trout on it.\u00a0 Zach really didn\u2019t have the hand strength to reel it in so he just started running away from the water as fast as he could and just would drag the trout on the shore.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, I got that sucker off and threw it back in there.\u00a0 Then, we\u2019d bait up his hook.\u00a0 He\u2019d throw it out there again, and hit it again, and he\u2019d start running again.\u00a0 That was a great moment that we shared together because a lot of times\u2014we call it Men\u2019s Town in our family\u2014when just the boys go somewhere, it\u2019s Men\u2019s Town.\u00a0 It\u2019s usually me, John, David, and Zach.\u00a0 We\u2019re always together.\u00a0 The Women\u2019s Town is Anya, one-on-one with Momma.\u00a0 So, I don\u2019t get as much one-on-one with the boys.\u00a0\u00a0 That was a time where I had more one-on-one with Zach than I\u2019d ever had since we\u2019ve been together.\u00a0 It was a real blessing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s cool.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Katharyn:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, I think it came along in a conversation.\u00a0 They love to watch their videos from when we first got them.\u00a0 We actually watched\u2014I don\u2019t know if it was John or David\u2019s birth.\u00a0 That caused Anya to start questioning, \u201cDo you know what mine was like or my mom?\u201d\u00a0 Zach was sitting there.\u00a0 I was able to tell them both that God knit them in their mother\u2019s womb, but He knew that Mark and I were going to be their parents.\u00a0 He chose them for our family.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think them listening to that\u2014and then, maybe a few days later\u2014each one, at different times, just coming up and hugging and saying, \u201cI\u2019m glad God chose this family and you guys as our parents.\u201d\u00a0 At different times\u2014just giving us a hug brings tears to your eyes.\u00a0 That is a special moment.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think the reason those moments are so profound is because it is a piece of God\u2019s heart.\u00a0 It says, \u201cReligion that is pure and undefiled before God the Father is this\u2014to visit orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unstained from the world.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t understand it, but adoption has done a lot for me\u2014to redeem me from myself and to teach me that there is a heavenly Father who pursued me and grafted me into His family when I didn\u2019t care about being in His family.\u00a0 He chased me down.\u00a0 The Hound of Heaven chased me down\u2014more than likely\u2014a bulldog.\u00a0\u00a0 [Laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Mark:<\/strong>\u00a0 Could have been.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 More than likely\u2014a bulldog.\u00a0 Thank you for sharing your story, Mark and Katharyn, about your care for the orphans.\u00a0 I hope our listeners will gain from this in their own lives and will also listen to the Lord.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat is your assignment in this\u2014to pray for the orphans?\u00a0 To maybe give, as we talked about earlier, so somebody else can go adopt?\u00a0 Perhaps, be a foster care parent, or an adoptive parent yourself, or start an orphan care ministry in your local church.\u00a0 Join the movement.\u00a0 There is a movement of people.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have a great way for folks to get engaged\u2014coming up here, in a few weeks.\u00a0 Orphan Sunday\u2014Sunday, November 4<sup>th<\/sup>\u2014that weekend, our team is mobilizing folks, all around the country, to host a workshop in your community or in your local church.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>If You Were Mine<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em>.\u00a0 It answers the questions people have about adoption.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the thing\u2014lots of people have thought about adoption\u2014but very few people take the next step because people have questions, and they don\u2019t know where to get answers.\u00a0 The <em>If You Were Mine <\/em>video workshop gives the answers.\u00a0 It lays out what the adoption process looks like, helps people understand how you pray through, how you weigh the decision of whether to adopt.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn Orphan Sunday weekend, November 3<sup>rd<\/sup> and 4<sup>th<\/sup>, we\u2019re hoping to host hundreds of these <em>If You Were Mine <\/em>video workshops in communities, all across the country.\u00a0 If you will get in touch with us and let us know that you\u2019re interested in hosting and facilitating one of these workshops\u2014for the first 500 people we hear from\u2014the video seminar is free.\u00a0 We\u2019ll send you the video resource so that you can host one of these events in your local church. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDetails are online at FamilyLifeToday.com if you\u2019d like more information.\u00a0 Again, FamilyLifeToday.com is our website.\u00a0 There is also a link there for the Together for Adoption pastor\u2019s workshop, taking place next weekend in Louisville, Kentucky, at Southern Seminary.\u00a0 The <em>Hope for Orphans<\/em><em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup><\/em>team is helping out with that.\u00a0 And mark your calendar now for May 2<sup>nd<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup> in 2013.\u00a0 The ninth annual Christian Alliance for Orphans Summit will take place in Nashville, Tennessee, on May 2<sup>nd<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup>, 2013.\u00a0 We\u2019d love to see you there.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, there\u2019s a lot going on.\u00a0 You can get information about all of it when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com; or call us, toll-free, at 1-800-358-6329; that\u2019s 1-800-\u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 Someone on our team can get back in touch with you and answer any questions you might have about all of this that\u2019s coming up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that, we have to wrap things up for today.\u00a0 Thanks for being with us.\u00a0 Hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend.\u00a0 And I hope you can join us on Monday when Jenny Allen is going to be here to talk about the scariest prayer she ever prayed and how God answered her prayer.\u00a0 Want to know what the prayer was?\u00a0 Well, tune in Monday and Jenny will tell you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today\u2014his name is Keith Lynch\u2014and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray 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