{"id":302507,"date":"2012-04-23T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2012-04-23T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily\/"},"modified":"2012-04-23T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2012-04-23T15:00:00","slug":"the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily\/","title":{"rendered":"The Myth of the Ideal Stepfamily"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Blending two families in remarriage can be a daunting task.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2012-04-23.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"27.38M","filesize_raw":"28708436","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2888,2894,2892],"tags":[2585,4033],"podcast_series":[7397],"cwp_profile":[3300],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302507","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-multiple-home-realities","category-stepfamily-living","category-working-as-a-team","tag-blended-family","tag-divorce","podcast_series-your-stepfamily-standing-strong","cwp_profile-ron-deal","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302507\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302507\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"77WaIW9fKr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily\/\">The Myth of the Ideal Stepfamily<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-myth-of-the-ideal-stepfamily\/embed\/#?secret=77WaIW9fKr\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Myth of the Ideal Stepfamily&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"77WaIW9fKr\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Today we pause to reflect on the life and the legacy of Chuck Colson.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 I guess by now many of our listeners have probably heard the news.\u00a0 There have been notices in most papers about the death of Chuck Colson.\u00a0 Of course, most newspapers are printing the news of his death because of his involvement in the Watergate scandal back in the 70s; but most of us, as we reflect back on Chuck Colson\u2019s life, it has less to do with Watergate and more to do with his service to Christ over the last 40 years of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The word that comes to my mind is \u201credemption\u201d.\u00a0 Here\u2019s a man who was a lawbreaker; brilliant.\u00a0 What a phenomenal thinker and a mind.\u00a0 Chuck Colson had, at the very top of his game in the White House, made some serious moral judgments and mistakes and went to prison for it.\u00a0 But right before he went to prison, he met the One who ultimately sets the prisoners free, Jesus Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a result, he engaged in a different mission.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t a mission of power from the White House.\u00a0 It was a mission from the throne room of God for what God had for Chuck Colson.\u00a0 One of the curious things, I think, about his life that we can celebrate today is that the TV interviewers, Larry King and Dan Rather\u2014they all marveled.\u00a0 Here he was\u2014he\u2019d been in the White House; now he\u2019s working with prisoners.\u00a0 He\u2019s going into prisons\u2014death row\u2014and talking to people who won\u2019t ever see freedom, won\u2019t ever know it, and talking to them about their relationship with Jesus Christ\u2014their eternal destiny and where they\u2019re going to spend all of eternity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I remember being cynical about the news of Chuck Colson\u2019s conversion when it first came out in the 70s.\u00a0 Then, I remember gradually gaining admiration, respect for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my.\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then in the 80s being very moved by his writing\u2014reading <em>Born Again, Loving God, Kingdoms in Conflict<\/em>\u2014and really coming to admire and respect how his life was being invested for Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bob, you and I first interviewed Chuck back in 2005.\u00a0 I had not met him until then; but that began a relationship with Chuck, very casual, initially\u2014just first interviewing him on the broadcast about <em>The Good Life, <\/em>a book he\u2019d written.\u00a0 But we went on to develop a friendship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll tell a couple of stories, here at the end of the broadcast, about Chuck; but I knew that getting Chuck Colson to leave south Florida to come to Little Rock, Arkansas\u2014the chances were slim to none.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 To be on a radio program\u2014just for a day\u2014getting him out of south Florida.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, now, I can admit.\u00a0 I played the heaviest card with Chuck I could play.\u00a0 I said, \u201cChuck, your daughter Emily has written a really good book about her autistic son that she raised as a single parent.\u00a0 His name was Max.\u00a0 The book was <em>Dancing with Max. <\/em>\u00a0 I said, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you come up; spend a couple of days up here.\u00a0 We\u2019ll do some broadcasts with Emily on her book; and I\u2019ll feed you my world-famous\u2014one of the best meals you\u2019ll ever eat\u2014my blackened salmon.\u201d\u00a0 To my surprise, Chuck came.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 He took the bait.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>He took the bait.\u00a0 He wanted Emily to be on our broadcast and help with the book.\u00a0 I think that speaks of who he was.\u00a0 He was a family man.\u00a0 He really loved Patty.\u00a0 He loved his children, and he wanted to invest in their lives.\u00a0 His coming here was a statement about Emily, \u201cI want to do all I can to continue to help her and Max succeed in life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That first conversation we had with Chuck on <em>FamilyLife Today, <\/em>around the book <em>The Good Life, <\/em>really captured what was at the center of his life\u2014how he understood his mission and how he understood what the good life was all about.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s fitting, today, as we reflect on a life well-lived, to hear some of Chuck\u2019s own reflection on what really matters in life and how your life ought to be prioritized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Pre-recorded Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 There is a scene that I think really sets the stage for your book.\u00a0 It's early in the book, but it tells the story of how you got together with a group of people and announced your conversion.\u00a0 You said there was polite applause, and you were near some bay or some sound.\u00a0 A man\u2014I love the way you described it.\u00a0 He was leaning back, with a cocktail in his hand.\u00a0 He basically said, \u201cMr. Colson, as you can see, all of us here have lived the good life.\u00a0 We have it all.\u201d\u00a0 It was evidently people who owned yachts, and three and four homes, around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was Hope Sound in Florida, which is one of the watering spots for the truly rich, and famous, and wealthy, from all over the world.\u00a0 This woman was a lovely, beautiful, Christian woman\u2014took her back yard, which looks over the bay\u2014and the bay was full of beautiful, 70-, 80-, 100-foot yachts.\u00a0 She put a tent out, and she had a\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 5 o\u2019clock party.\u00a0 Everybody came in their white dinner jackets and long gowns because they were heading off to different parties for the evening.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI gave my testimony because she had arranged it this way.\u00a0 I would give my testimony and then take questions and answers.\u00a0 I gave my testimony; and most people were looking away, or they had this studied indifference about them.\u00a0 They didn't want to appear to be affected by it.\u00a0 All the questions were then about Watergate, Nixon, the presidency, prison.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust as it was getting ready to get over\u2014and it was not an easy experience\u2014just as it was about to end, this man, leaning against the tent pole, legs crossed, a cocktail in one hand, looks at me and says, \"Mr. Colson, you had this dramatic experience going from the White House to prison; but what are you going to say to the rest of us here?\"\u00a0 He said.\u00a0 \"You can see,\" and he sweeps his hand, overlooking at the bay, \"You can see that we really\u2014we have the good life.\u00a0 We don't have these kinds of problems.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \"Well, you may not have had them yet.\u00a0 You will.\u00a0 If there's anybody here who has really had a life without problems, I'd sure like to talk to him afterwards because everybody has their share of problems.\u00a0 If you don't now, you will when you're lying on your deathbed and all of these things will have no meaning to you because you know your life is about to end.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like letting air out of a bellows.\u00a0 I mean, they just\u2014whoosh!\u00a0 You could feel people exhaling.\u00a0 There wasn't a sound.\u00a0 Nobody applauded.\u00a0 The hostess got up and said, \"Well, make yourselves comfortable.\u00a0 Mr. Colson will stay and answer questions.\"\u00a0 I had a <em>stream<\/em> of people, and my wife did as well.\u00a0 We did a dinner that night\u2014coming up and telling me, \"My son is on drugs, and I can't find him,\" and, \"My husband's got four mistresses.\u00a0 I don't know how to deal with it.\"\u00a0 I mean, it was just a never-ending series of problems.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was one study, I cite in the book, finds that\u2014empirically, finds that people can become content and happy in a middle-class lifestyle.\u00a0 Money in excess of that doesn't do anything.\u00a0 It does not increase their happiness by any measure, and very often creates unhappiness.\u00a0 I showed some examples of that in the book.\u00a0 One of the biggest myths I want to get rid of is that the purpose of life is\u2014the object of life is to make money, and be successful, and be powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tell the story of Dennis Kozlowski, who recently was convicted in the Tyco scandal\u2014a poor kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey.\u00a0 He works his way through school, is a whiz in the company, gets to be CEO at an early age, starts getting million-dollar salaries\u2014multimillion-dollar salaries\u2014and then starts stealing the place blind, and ends up with a $2.2 million party for his trophy-wife in Sardinia, on an island, with nymphets running around the place, and with an ice statue of Michelangelo, pouring out vodka.\u00a0 And that's the good life?\u00a0 Nah, he's going to be in prison the rest of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, there is a generation of our listeners who really have never heard the story of how you came to faith in Christ.\u00a0 To set the stage for how this book has come about, how your Ecclesiastes began to be written, take us back to the White House.\u00a0 You were working for President Nixon\u2014had one of the most prestigious jobs there.\u00a0 You were a powerful man, an attorney.\u00a0 You and your wife Patty were raising your family at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Were you counsel to the President?\u00a0 Was that your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was Special Counsel to the President, yes; and I was in the office.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, my office was immediately next to his\u2014his working office in the Executive Office Building.\u00a0 We were very close.\u00a0 I was one of the four or five people closest to the President.\u00a0 I really came up with the strategy for the 1972 campaign, which was a landslide victory for the President\u2014historic landslide victory, as a matter of fact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen the election was over, that night, as a matter of fact, when the voting was taking place, Nixon had me and Bob Haldeman\u2014just two of us\u2014in his office.\u00a0 We sat there until 2 in the morning.\u00a0 Patty and my kids were in the next\u2014my office, waiting for me.\u00a0 He's toasting me with all of the vote results coming in and talking about the fact that I'd made his presidency, and I can do anything I want in the Cabinet\u2014go practice law\u2014and I'd make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, which I had done before I'd gone to the White House.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really had life made.\u00a0 The next morning, I woke up feeling miserable.\u00a0 For two or three months, I would sit in my office and look out over the beautiful, manicured lawns of the south lawn of the White House and think about, \"Boy, this is pretty good,\u201d you know.\u00a0 \u201cA grandson of immigrants comes to this country, rises to the top, earns a scholarship to college, and had been a success at everything he'd ever done.\u00a0 Here I am, and what's it all about?\u201d\u00a0 I had this incredible period of emptiness.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I went to Boston one day, after I left the White House.\u00a0 I went back to my law firm.\u00a0 I had a meeting with the President of Raytheon, one of the largest corporations in America, because I was once again to be their counsel.\u00a0 I had been counsel before I went to the White House, and now I was coming back to be counsel again.\u00a0 Tom Phillips, the President, just seemed so different.\u00a0 He was calm, and he was peaceful.\u00a0 We had a great conversation; and he started asking me about me, and my family, and how I was weathering in Watergate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \"Tom, you've changed.\u00a0 What's happened to you?\"\u00a0 He said, \"Yes, I've accepted Jesus Christ and committed my life to Him.\"\u00a0 He kind of looked away when he did that, almost like he was embarrassed to say it.\u00a0 But he shocked me!\u00a0 I took a firm grip on the bottom of the chair.\u00a0 I'd never heard anyone say something like that\u2014that boldly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now, wait a second.\u00a0 You hadn't grown up in the church, then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, no.\u00a0 I'd been in church twice a year, if that\u2014and would say I was a Christian because I grew up in America\u2014and it is a Christian country\u2014and I wasn't Jewish, so I must be a Christian.\u00a0 I had no idea what a Christian was\u2014no clue!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said to me, \"I've given my life to Jesus Christ.\"\u00a0 It was shocking words; but over those next several months, I began to think about that conversation, and wonder what he really meant, and why he was so peaceful, and why his personality had changed so dramatically.\u00a0 So, in the summer of 1973, in the darkest days of Watergate\u2014the world caving in\u2014I went back and spent an evening on his porch of his home, outside of Boston\u2014a hot August night.\u00a0 He witnessed to me\u2014told me what had happened to him\u2014told me his story\u2014an amazing story!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe also read to me a chapter out of C.S. Lewis' book, <em>Mere Christianity<\/em>, about the great sin\u2014the great sin\u2014pride.\u00a0 It was me\u2014Lewis was writing about.\u00a0 I realized my life I thought was idealistic\u2014I was trying to do all these things for my family, I was trying to serve my country.\u00a0 It was all about me, and it was pride.\u00a0 I didn't give in.\u00a0 He wanted to pray with me.\u00a0 He led a prayer; but I didn't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>:\u00a0 You resisted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I resisted, sure.\u00a0 I'm too proud \u2013 a big-time Washington lawyer, a friend of the President of the United States.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You didn't want to bow to anybody, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's right.\u00a0 I went out to get into my automobile and start to drive away\u2014and got about 100 yards, and quit and had to stop the car\u2014I was crying too hard.\u00a0 I called out to God.\u00a0 I said, \"Come into my life.\u00a0 If this is true, I want to know You.\u00a0 I want to be forgiven.\"\u00a0 That was the night that Jesus came into my life.\u00a0 Nothing has been the same since, and nothing can ever be the same again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe world all scoffed, as you guys noted at the beginning of the program; but it was okay.\u00a0 I persevered, and my faith really sustained me through prison.\u00a0 Then, I saw a mission in life.\u00a0 Of course, that's the great paradox.\u00a0 One of the things I talk about in this book is that everything about life is a paradox.\u00a0 It's not the way it appears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe get this idea about what's good in life, but usually what turns out to be best for us is the thing we least expect or maybe don't want.\u00a0 The greatest thing that ever happened in my life was going to prison.\u00a0 I've been doing a lot of interviews lately.\u00a0 People, perhaps have seen it on Deep Throat, which has been a red-hot topic.\u00a0 Deep Throat never goes away, and so I\u2019ve been on the national media with it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve said to every reporter, \"Thank God for Watergate.\u00a0 Thank God for what happened to me.\u00a0 Because I went through this, I've discovered what life is really all about.\"\u00a0 That's what I write in here\u2014basically, what I've discovered life is all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You actually said that in a <em>60 Minutes <\/em>interview.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I did.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And Mike Wallace\u2014it stunned him that you said that, \u201cThank God for Watergate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 He stopped the interview.\u00a0 That was on the 20<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary of Watergate.\u00a0 He was sitting on my porch at home.\u00a0 He brought his camera crew.\u00a0 Mike and I had been pretty good friends, actually, through the years.\u00a0 He was sitting there; and I said, \u201cYes, I thank God for Watergate.\u201d\u00a0 He just\u2014he was at a loss for words, and they stopped.\u00a0 When you saw that on the screen, there was a break at that point because he didn\u2019t know how to respond to that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 There was one other scene that you didn\u2019t write about in your book, but I have to wonder if it happened.\u00a0 That was the scene with your family\u2014where the reality of your choice, your guilty verdict, and the reality of prison came pressing in, and you faced your wife and your children.\u00a0 Was there a scene like that when you broke emotionally with your family?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Just once, when I broke emotionally.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 No, we talked about it; and I told the kids.\u00a0 First, I talked to Patty.\u00a0 She was really shaken when I made the decision because it meant going to prison, and I got a three-year sentence.\u00a0 I actually served seven months; but it was a tough deal, and she took it very well.\u00a0 She\u2019s been a great, strong support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe kids took it in different ways.\u00a0 The two boys were dismayed because they passionately believed I was innocent and should fight for it.\u00a0 The only time I broke down was with my daughter, who is a really sweet, wonderful\u2014then\u2014a sweet, wonderful child\u2014is now a sweet, wonderful woman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Talking about Emily?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Emily, yes.\u00a0 I was putting her on a plane, to go back to school; and I said, \u201cI hope I haven\u2019t disappointed you, Emily.\u201d\u00a0 She turned around and threw her arms around me and said, \u201cI\u2019m proud of you, Daddy.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s a great moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you for being faithful.\u00a0 I\u2019m sure there have been many traps in leadership, since you came to faith, that have been far more significant, maybe, than the one that sent you to prison because they would have brought disrepute to your testimony, and to your character, and who you are as a man.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPersonally, I am glad Bob and I were wrong, back when we heard of your conversion, and that the cynicism that many felt has been disproved by a life well-lived and by someone who is finishing strong.\u00a0 I just personally want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to you for, not just living the good life, but for following the King faithfully and representing Him exceptionally well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I thank you very much, Dennis.\u00a0 Those are kind words.\u00a0 I have to tell you that I've just been a man doing his duty.\u00a0 When I think of what my Savior did for me, that night in the driveway, when it became so clear to me that my sins had been forgiven, I would be dead today were it not for that.\u00a0 I would have suffocated in the stench of my own sin.\u00a0 I do what I do out of gratitude to God for what He has done for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Again, that is Chuck Colson from an interview we did with him in 2005, as we reflect today on his home-going, and the fact that not only was his life well-lived, but now his eternity has begun.\u00a0 He\u2019s home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I just talked with Howard Hendricks earlier this week, Bob.\u00a0 It was a late birthday call\u2014he\u2019s 88.\u00a0 Chuck is enjoying what Prof is longing for right now.\u00a0 He said, \u201cDennis, I just want to go to where God is.\u00a0 I know God\u2019s here now, but I long to see Him as I get older.\u00a0 I want to see Him face-to-face.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChuck is breathing, as Bill Bright would say, \u201ccelestial air\u201d, and enjoying a place where there is no more sin, there is no more struggle with self and selfishness, and other people\u2019s sin.\u00a0 He\u2019s enjoying and bathing in pure love.\u00a0 I love what Psalm 116, verse 15 reminds us.\u00a0 Now this is the truth, folks, \u201cPrecious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChuck Colson\u2019s life was precious.\u00a0 He was a great gift to the Body of Christ.\u00a0 Rather than talking about his global ministry, here at the end of this broadcast, I want to talk about three things that I\u2019m going to forever remember about Chuck.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFirst of all, he knew how to have fun.\u00a0 He came out to the house, while he was here doing the broadcast with Emily; and Emily joined him.\u00a0 We had dinner together, and I fed him.\u00a0 He hated to admit it\u2014he really did\u2014you could tell.\u00a0 Begrudgingly, at the end of the meal\u2014I had fed him my blackened salmon.\u00a0 He had started the meal bragging about his\u2014I believe it was sea bass that he cooks.\u00a0 He goes, \u201cI just have to tell you, Dennis.\u00a0 My sea bass is the best in the world;\u201d but at the end of the meal he goes, \u201cMan!\u00a0 I hate to admit this.\u00a0 I really, really do; but this is right up there with it.\u201d\u00a0 He knew how to have fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, he was a man of incredible encouragement.\u00a0 When he was here, Bob, he saw <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\u00a0 You created it, and he wanted to see more.\u00a0 He was so excited about what you\u2019d done, Bob, and what FamilyLife was doing about putting tools in the hands of laymen.\u00a0 The reason is\u2014he was doing the same thing around his whole character project.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s where your passion and his passion came together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, man.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t collide.\u00a0 It just melded into one.\u00a0 He was all about what we\u2019re about here at FamilyLife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe third thing\u2014 even though I just knew him, really from a friendship-standpoint, only briefly\u2014his belief in me as a man.\u00a0 One of the things I write about in my book, <em>Stepping Up,<\/em> is how all of us, regardless of our age, need an older man who believes in us.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had a number of those in my lifetime; and Chuck was a recent addition, in a very special way, who really expressed a personal belief in me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, he spent some time with our speakers\u2014back in January\u2014with the speakers who speak at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways.\u00a0 He came down and invested\u2014I think it may have been the next to last speaking engagement Chuck did.\u00a0 He had not been feeling well.\u00a0 He ventured out, though, because we were close by, and spoke to our speakers and invested in our lives.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe last thing, Bob, in terms of his belief in me\u2014we talked while I was at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, DC\u2014by phone.\u00a0 He invited me to come to a meeting he was hosting.\u00a0 Interestingly, the meeting he invited me to come to was the meeting where he ended up falling ill to this blood clot in his brain that has ultimately taken his life.\u00a0 He really wanted me to come to that because we wanted to talk about, \u201cHow do we get the Body of Christ together on the same page about the institution of marriage, in protecting human life, and religious liberty?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was a good man and a good friend.\u00a0 I am sorry I wasn\u2019t able to attend that meeting; but I tell you, I\u2019ll always remember my times with Chuck Colson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I hope our listeners will\u2014if they have never read any of Chuck\u2019s writing, a great place to start is the story of his conversion\u2014the book <em>Born Again<\/em>, which he wrote back in the 70s\u2014or read his book, <em>Loving God<\/em>.\u00a0 So many great books that he wrote.\u00a0 I just encourage you\u2014we encourage you\u2014if you didn\u2019t get to know Chuck before his passing, now is a good time to get to know him.\u00a0 I think these are books that will still be read 50 and 100 years from now.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Unquestionably, that\u2019s going to happen.\u00a0 In fact, just as you were talking, Bob, I thought, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be interesting if enough people got <em>Born Again<\/em> and passed it out to a friend, who goes, \u2018That was Chuck Colson, that Watergate guy.\u00a0 What happened to him?\u00a0 Why did he work with prisoners?\u2019\u201d\u00a0 Give them that book.\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t it be interesting if that became a <em>New York Times<\/em> best-seller, again?\u2014here, on Chuck\u2019s coronation\u2014the time of his home-going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, again, we have interrupted our normal plans for today to remember and reflect on the life and the legacy of Chuck Colson, who has just gone home to be with the Lord.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team for 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two families in remarriage can be a daunting task.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2012-04-23.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I've gotten so convinced of the truth of the biblical worldview, as applied in life, against any other worldview.\u00a0 I'm convinced if I could argue the case that the biblical worldview is the only one that conforms to reality, that I would win that case\u2014hands down, intellectually\u2014by reason, by arguments, by logic.\u00a0 But that doesn't get you to God.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, sometimes the more you know, the tougher it gets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0This is a special edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>. Our host is the President of FamilyLife<sup>\u00ae<\/sup>, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Today we pause to reflect on the life and the legacy of Chuck Colson.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 I guess by now many of our listeners have probably heard the news.\u00a0 There have been notices in most papers about the death of Chuck Colson.\u00a0 Of course, most newspapers are printing the news of his death because of his involvement in the Watergate scandal back in the 70s; but most of us, as we reflect back on Chuck Colson\u2019s life, it has less to do with Watergate and more to do with his service to Christ over the last 40 years of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The word that comes to my mind is \u201credemption\u201d.\u00a0 Here\u2019s a man who was a lawbreaker; brilliant.\u00a0 What a phenomenal thinker and a mind.\u00a0 Chuck Colson had, at the very top of his game in the White House, made some serious moral judgments and mistakes and went to prison for it.\u00a0 But right before he went to prison, he met the One who ultimately sets the prisoners free, Jesus Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a result, he engaged in a different mission.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t a mission of power from the White House.\u00a0 It was a mission from the throne room of God for what God had for Chuck Colson.\u00a0 One of the curious things, I think, about his life that we can celebrate today is that the TV interviewers, Larry King and Dan Rather\u2014they all marveled.\u00a0 Here he was\u2014he\u2019d been in the White House; now he\u2019s working with prisoners.\u00a0 He\u2019s going into prisons\u2014death row\u2014and talking to people who won\u2019t ever see freedom, won\u2019t ever know it, and talking to them about their relationship with Jesus Christ\u2014their eternal destiny and where they\u2019re going to spend all of eternity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I remember being cynical about the news of Chuck Colson\u2019s conversion when it first came out in the 70s.\u00a0 Then, I remember gradually gaining admiration, respect for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my.\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then in the 80s being very moved by his writing\u2014reading <em>Born Again, Loving God, Kingdoms in Conflict<\/em>\u2014and really coming to admire and respect how his life was being invested for Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bob, you and I first interviewed Chuck back in 2005.\u00a0 I had not met him until then; but that began a relationship with Chuck, very casual, initially\u2014just first interviewing him on the broadcast about <em>The Good Life, <\/em>a book he\u2019d written.\u00a0 But we went on to develop a friendship.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ll tell a couple of stories, here at the end of the broadcast, about Chuck; but I knew that getting Chuck Colson to leave south Florida to come to Little Rock, Arkansas\u2014the chances were slim to none.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 To be on a radio program\u2014just for a day\u2014getting him out of south Florida.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So, now, I can admit.\u00a0 I played the heaviest card with Chuck I could play.\u00a0 I said, \u201cChuck, your daughter Emily has written a really good book about her autistic son that she raised as a single parent.\u00a0 His name was Max.\u00a0 The book was <em>Dancing with Max. <\/em>\u00a0 I said, \u201cWhy don\u2019t you come up; spend a couple of days up here.\u00a0 We\u2019ll do some broadcasts with Emily on her book; and I\u2019ll feed you my world-famous\u2014one of the best meals you\u2019ll ever eat\u2014my blackened salmon.\u201d\u00a0 To my surprise, Chuck came.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 He took the bait.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>He took the bait.\u00a0 He wanted Emily to be on our broadcast and help with the book.\u00a0 I think that speaks of who he was.\u00a0 He was a family man.\u00a0 He really loved Patty.\u00a0 He loved his children, and he wanted to invest in their lives.\u00a0 His coming here was a statement about Emily, \u201cI want to do all I can to continue to help her and Max succeed in life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That first conversation we had with Chuck on <em>FamilyLife Today, <\/em>around the book <em>The Good Life, <\/em>really captured what was at the center of his life\u2014how he understood his mission and how he understood what the good life was all about.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s fitting, today, as we reflect on a life well-lived, to hear some of Chuck\u2019s own reflection on what really matters in life and how your life ought to be prioritized.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Pre-recorded Message]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 There is a scene that I think really sets the stage for your book.\u00a0 It's early in the book, but it tells the story of how you got together with a group of people and announced your conversion.\u00a0 You said there was polite applause, and you were near some bay or some sound.\u00a0 A man\u2014I love the way you described it.\u00a0 He was leaning back, with a cocktail in his hand.\u00a0 He basically said, \u201cMr. Colson, as you can see, all of us here have lived the good life.\u00a0 We have it all.\u201d\u00a0 It was evidently people who owned yachts, and three and four homes, around the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was Hope Sound in Florida, which is one of the watering spots for the truly rich, and famous, and wealthy, from all over the world.\u00a0 This woman was a lovely, beautiful, Christian woman\u2014took her back yard, which looks over the bay\u2014and the bay was full of beautiful, 70-, 80-, 100-foot yachts.\u00a0 She put a tent out, and she had a\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 5 o\u2019clock party.\u00a0 Everybody came in their white dinner jackets and long gowns because they were heading off to different parties for the evening.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI gave my testimony because she had arranged it this way.\u00a0 I would give my testimony and then take questions and answers.\u00a0 I gave my testimony; and most people were looking away, or they had this studied indifference about them.\u00a0 They didn't want to appear to be affected by it.\u00a0 All the questions were then about Watergate, Nixon, the presidency, prison.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust as it was getting ready to get over\u2014and it was not an easy experience\u2014just as it was about to end, this man, leaning against the tent pole, legs crossed, a cocktail in one hand, looks at me and says, \"Mr. Colson, you had this dramatic experience going from the White House to prison; but what are you going to say to the rest of us here?\"\u00a0 He said.\u00a0 \"You can see,\" and he sweeps his hand, overlooking at the bay, \"You can see that we really\u2014we have the good life.\u00a0 We don't have these kinds of problems.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \"Well, you may not have had them yet.\u00a0 You will.\u00a0 If there's anybody here who has really had a life without problems, I'd sure like to talk to him afterwards because everybody has their share of problems.\u00a0 If you don't now, you will when you're lying on your deathbed and all of these things will have no meaning to you because you know your life is about to end.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was like letting air out of a bellows.\u00a0 I mean, they just\u2014whoosh!\u00a0 You could feel people exhaling.\u00a0 There wasn't a sound.\u00a0 Nobody applauded.\u00a0 The hostess got up and said, \"Well, make yourselves comfortable.\u00a0 Mr. Colson will stay and answer questions.\"\u00a0 I had a <em>stream<\/em> of people, and my wife did as well.\u00a0 We did a dinner that night\u2014coming up and telling me, \"My son is on drugs, and I can't find him,\" and, \"My husband's got four mistresses.\u00a0 I don't know how to deal with it.\"\u00a0 I mean, it was just a never-ending series of problems.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was one study, I cite in the book, finds that\u2014empirically, finds that people can become content and happy in a middle-class lifestyle.\u00a0 Money in excess of that doesn't do anything.\u00a0 It does not increase their happiness by any measure, and very often creates unhappiness.\u00a0 I showed some examples of that in the book.\u00a0 One of the biggest myths I want to get rid of is that the purpose of life is\u2014the object of life is to make money, and be successful, and be powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI tell the story of Dennis Kozlowski, who recently was convicted in the Tyco scandal\u2014a poor kid growing up in Newark, New Jersey.\u00a0 He works his way through school, is a whiz in the company, gets to be CEO at an early age, starts getting million-dollar salaries\u2014multimillion-dollar salaries\u2014and then starts stealing the place blind, and ends up with a $2.2 million party for his trophy-wife in Sardinia, on an island, with nymphets running around the place, and with an ice statue of Michelangelo, pouring out vodka.\u00a0 And that's the good life?\u00a0 Nah, he's going to be in prison the rest of his life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, there is a generation of our listeners who really have never heard the story of how you came to faith in Christ.\u00a0 To set the stage for how this book has come about, how your Ecclesiastes began to be written, take us back to the White House.\u00a0 You were working for President Nixon\u2014had one of the most prestigious jobs there.\u00a0 You were a powerful man, an attorney.\u00a0 You and your wife Patty were raising your family at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Were you counsel to the President?\u00a0 Was that your\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was Special Counsel to the President, yes; and I was in the office.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, my office was immediately next to his\u2014his working office in the Executive Office Building.\u00a0 We were very close.\u00a0 I was one of the four or five people closest to the President.\u00a0 I really came up with the strategy for the 1972 campaign, which was a landslide victory for the President\u2014historic landslide victory, as a matter of fact.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen the election was over, that night, as a matter of fact, when the voting was taking place, Nixon had me and Bob Haldeman\u2014just two of us\u2014in his office.\u00a0 We sat there until 2 in the morning.\u00a0 Patty and my kids were in the next\u2014my office, waiting for me.\u00a0 He's toasting me with all of the vote results coming in and talking about the fact that I'd made his presidency, and I can do anything I want in the Cabinet\u2014go practice law\u2014and I'd make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, which I had done before I'd gone to the White House.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really had life made.\u00a0 The next morning, I woke up feeling miserable.\u00a0 For two or three months, I would sit in my office and look out over the beautiful, manicured lawns of the south lawn of the White House and think about, \"Boy, this is pretty good,\u201d you know.\u00a0 \u201cA grandson of immigrants comes to this country, rises to the top, earns a scholarship to college, and had been a success at everything he'd ever done.\u00a0 Here I am, and what's it all about?\u201d\u00a0 I had this incredible period of emptiness.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, I went to Boston one day, after I left the White House.\u00a0 I went back to my law firm.\u00a0 I had a meeting with the President of Raytheon, one of the largest corporations in America, because I was once again to be their counsel.\u00a0 I had been counsel before I went to the White House, and now I was coming back to be counsel again.\u00a0 Tom Phillips, the President, just seemed so different.\u00a0 He was calm, and he was peaceful.\u00a0 We had a great conversation; and he started asking me about me, and my family, and how I was weathering in Watergate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \"Tom, you've changed.\u00a0 What's happened to you?\"\u00a0 He said, \"Yes, I've accepted Jesus Christ and committed my life to Him.\"\u00a0 He kind of looked away when he did that, almost like he was embarrassed to say it.\u00a0 But he shocked me!\u00a0 I took a firm grip on the bottom of the chair.\u00a0 I'd never heard anyone say something like that\u2014that boldly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now, wait a second.\u00a0 You hadn't grown up in the church, then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, no.\u00a0 I'd been in church twice a year, if that\u2014and would say I was a Christian because I grew up in America\u2014and it is a Christian country\u2014and I wasn't Jewish, so I must be a Christian.\u00a0 I had no idea what a Christian was\u2014no clue!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe said to me, \"I've given my life to Jesus Christ.\"\u00a0 It was shocking words; but over those next several months, I began to think about that conversation, and wonder what he really meant, and why he was so peaceful, and why his personality had changed so dramatically.\u00a0 So, in the summer of 1973, in the darkest days of Watergate\u2014the world caving in\u2014I went back and spent an evening on his porch of his home, outside of Boston\u2014a hot August night.\u00a0 He witnessed to me\u2014told me what had happened to him\u2014told me his story\u2014an amazing story!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe also read to me a chapter out of C.S. Lewis' book, <em>Mere Christianity<\/em>, about the great sin\u2014the great sin\u2014pride.\u00a0 It was me\u2014Lewis was writing about.\u00a0 I realized my life I thought was idealistic\u2014I was trying to do all these things for my family, I was trying to serve my country.\u00a0 It was all about me, and it was pride.\u00a0 I didn't give in.\u00a0 He wanted to pray with me.\u00a0 He led a prayer; but I didn't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>:\u00a0 You resisted.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I resisted, sure.\u00a0 I'm too proud \u2013 a big-time Washington lawyer, a friend of the President of the United States.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You didn't want to bow to anybody, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's right.\u00a0 I went out to get into my automobile and start to drive away\u2014and got about 100 yards, and quit and had to stop the car\u2014I was crying too hard.\u00a0 I called out to God.\u00a0 I said, \"Come into my life.\u00a0 If this is true, I want to know You.\u00a0 I want to be forgiven.\"\u00a0 That was the night that Jesus came into my life.\u00a0 Nothing has been the same since, and nothing can ever be the same again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe world all scoffed, as you guys noted at the beginning of the program; but it was okay.\u00a0 I persevered, and my faith really sustained me through prison.\u00a0 Then, I saw a mission in life.\u00a0 Of course, that's the great paradox.\u00a0 One of the things I talk about in this book is that everything about life is a paradox.\u00a0 It's not the way it appears.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe get this idea about what's good in life, but usually what turns out to be best for us is the thing we least expect or maybe don't want.\u00a0 The greatest thing that ever happened in my life was going to prison.\u00a0 I've been doing a lot of interviews lately.\u00a0 People, perhaps have seen it on Deep Throat, which has been a red-hot topic.\u00a0 Deep Throat never goes away, and so I\u2019ve been on the national media with it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019ve said to every reporter, \"Thank God for Watergate.\u00a0 Thank God for what happened to me.\u00a0 Because I went through this, I've discovered what life is really all about.\"\u00a0 That's what I write in here\u2014basically, what I've discovered life is all about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You actually said that in a <em>60 Minutes <\/em>interview.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 I did.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And Mike Wallace\u2014it stunned him that you said that, \u201cThank God for Watergate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 He stopped the interview.\u00a0 That was on the 20<sup>th<\/sup> anniversary of Watergate.\u00a0 He was sitting on my porch at home.\u00a0 He brought his camera crew.\u00a0 Mike and I had been pretty good friends, actually, through the years.\u00a0 He was sitting there; and I said, \u201cYes, I thank God for Watergate.\u201d\u00a0 He just\u2014he was at a loss for words, and they stopped.\u00a0 When you saw that on the screen, there was a break at that point because he didn\u2019t know how to respond to that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 There was one other scene that you didn\u2019t write about in your book, but I have to wonder if it happened.\u00a0 That was the scene with your family\u2014where the reality of your choice, your guilty verdict, and the reality of prison came pressing in, and you faced your wife and your children.\u00a0 Was there a scene like that when you broke emotionally with your family?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Just once, when I broke emotionally.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 No, we talked about it; and I told the kids.\u00a0 First, I talked to Patty.\u00a0 She was really shaken when I made the decision because it meant going to prison, and I got a three-year sentence.\u00a0 I actually served seven months; but it was a tough deal, and she took it very well.\u00a0 She\u2019s been a great, strong support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe kids took it in different ways.\u00a0 The two boys were dismayed because they passionately believed I was innocent and should fight for it.\u00a0 The only time I broke down was with my daughter, who is a really sweet, wonderful\u2014then\u2014a sweet, wonderful child\u2014is now a sweet, wonderful woman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Talking about Emily?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Emily, yes.\u00a0 I was putting her on a plane, to go back to school; and I said, \u201cI hope I haven\u2019t disappointed you, Emily.\u201d\u00a0 She turned around and threw her arms around me and said, \u201cI\u2019m proud of you, Daddy.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s a great moment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you for being faithful.\u00a0 I\u2019m sure there have been many traps in leadership, since you came to faith, that have been far more significant, maybe, than the one that sent you to prison because they would have brought disrepute to your testimony, and to your character, and who you are as a man.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPersonally, I am glad Bob and I were wrong, back when we heard of your conversion, and that the cynicism that many felt has been disproved by a life well-lived and by someone who is finishing strong.\u00a0 I just personally want to say, \u201cThank you,\u201d to you for, not just living the good life, but for following the King faithfully and representing Him exceptionally well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Chuck:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I thank you very much, Dennis.\u00a0 Those are kind words.\u00a0 I have to tell you that I've just been a man doing his duty.\u00a0 When I think of what my Savior did for me, that night in the driveway, when it became so clear to me that my sins had been forgiven, I would be dead today were it not for that.\u00a0 I would have suffocated in the stench of my own sin.\u00a0 I do what I do out of gratitude to God for what He has done for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Studio]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0Again, that is Chuck Colson from an interview we did with him in 2005, as we reflect today on his home-going, and the fact that not only was his life well-lived, but now his eternity has begun.\u00a0 He\u2019s home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I just talked with Howard Hendricks earlier this week, Bob.\u00a0 It was a late birthday call\u2014he\u2019s 88.\u00a0 Chuck is enjoying what Prof is longing for right now.\u00a0 He said, \u201cDennis, I just want to go to where God is.\u00a0 I know God\u2019s here now, but I long to see Him as I get older.\u00a0 I want to see Him face-to-face.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChuck is breathing, as Bill Bright would say, \u201ccelestial air\u201d, and enjoying a place where there is no more sin, there is no more struggle with self and selfishness, and other people\u2019s sin.\u00a0 He\u2019s enjoying and bathing in pure love.\u00a0 I love what Psalm 116, verse 15 reminds us.\u00a0 Now this is the truth, folks, \u201cPrecious in the sight of the Lord is the death of His saints.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChuck Colson\u2019s life was precious.\u00a0 He was a great gift to the Body of Christ.\u00a0 Rather than talking about his global ministry, here at the end of this broadcast, I want to talk about three things that I\u2019m going to forever remember about Chuck.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFirst of all, he knew how to have fun.\u00a0 He came out to the house, while he was here doing the broadcast with Emily; and Emily joined him.\u00a0 We had dinner together, and I fed him.\u00a0 He hated to admit it\u2014he really did\u2014you could tell.\u00a0 Begrudgingly, at the end of the meal\u2014I had fed him my blackened salmon.\u00a0 He had started the meal bragging about his\u2014I believe it was sea bass that he cooks.\u00a0 He goes, \u201cI just have to tell you, Dennis.\u00a0 My sea bass is the best in the world;\u201d but at the end of the meal he goes, \u201cMan!\u00a0 I hate to admit this.\u00a0 I really, really do; but this is right up there with it.\u201d\u00a0 He knew how to have fun.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, he was a man of incredible encouragement.\u00a0 When he was here, Bob, he saw <em>The Art of Marriage<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup>.\u00a0 You created it, and he wanted to see more.\u00a0 He was so excited about what you\u2019d done, Bob, and what FamilyLife was doing about putting tools in the hands of laymen.\u00a0 The reason is\u2014he was doing the same thing around his whole character project.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s where your passion and his passion came together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, man.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t collide.\u00a0 It just melded into one.\u00a0 He was all about what we\u2019re about here at FamilyLife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe third thing\u2014 even though I just knew him, really from a friendship-standpoint, only briefly\u2014his belief in me as a man.\u00a0 One of the things I write about in my book, <em>Stepping Up,<\/em> is how all of us, regardless of our age, need an older man who believes in us.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had a number of those in my lifetime; and Chuck was a recent addition, in a very special way, who really expressed a personal belief in me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, he spent some time with our speakers\u2014back in January\u2014with the speakers who speak at the <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em><sup>\u00ae<\/sup> marriage getaways.\u00a0 He came down and invested\u2014I think it may have been the next to last speaking engagement Chuck did.\u00a0 He had not been feeling well.\u00a0 He ventured out, though, because we were close by, and spoke to our speakers and invested in our lives.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe last thing, Bob, in terms of his belief in me\u2014we talked while I was at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, DC\u2014by phone.\u00a0 He invited me to come to a meeting he was hosting.\u00a0 Interestingly, the meeting he invited me to come to was the meeting where he ended up falling ill to this blood clot in his brain that has ultimately taken his life.\u00a0 He really wanted me to come to that because we wanted to talk about, \u201cHow do we get the Body of Christ together on the same page about the institution of marriage, in protecting human life, and religious liberty?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe was a good man and a good friend.\u00a0 I am sorry I wasn\u2019t able to attend that meeting; but I tell you, I\u2019ll always remember my times with Chuck Colson.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I hope our listeners will\u2014if they have never read any of Chuck\u2019s writing, a great place to start is the story of his conversion\u2014the book <em>Born Again<\/em>, which he wrote back in the 70s\u2014or read his book, <em>Loving God<\/em>.\u00a0 So many great books that he wrote.\u00a0 I just encourage you\u2014we encourage you\u2014if you didn\u2019t get to know Chuck before his passing, now is a good time to get to know him.\u00a0 I think these are books that will still be read 50 and 100 years from now.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Unquestionably, that\u2019s going to happen.\u00a0 In fact, just as you were talking, Bob, I thought, \u201cWouldn\u2019t it be interesting if enough people got <em>Born Again<\/em> and passed it out to a friend, who goes, \u2018That was Chuck Colson, that Watergate guy.\u00a0 What happened to him?\u00a0 Why did he work with prisoners?\u2019\u201d\u00a0 Give them that book.\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t it be interesting if that became a <em>New York Times<\/em> best-seller, again?\u2014here, on Chuck\u2019s coronation\u2014the time of his home-going.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, again, we have interrupted our normal plans for today to remember and reflect on the life and the legacy of Chuck Colson, who has just gone home to be with the Lord.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team for their help in putting today\u2019s program together.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back, again, next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright <sup>\u00a9<\/sup> 2012 FamilyLife.\u00a0 All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/302507","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302507"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302507"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302507"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302507"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=302507"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=302507"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=302507"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}