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don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Are you speaking of Barbara?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I just think folks ought to realize that sometimes you\u2019ll come and say, \u201cLet\u2019s have this guest,\u201d or I\u2019ll say, \u201cHow about this guest?\u201d but this was a Barbara Rainey\u2014this was an edict that came down from her office.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes; you said, \u201cNo,\u201d a couple of times, as I recall.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I did <em>not <\/em>say, \u201cNo.\u201d\u00a0 I was happy to have the guest on.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 She read this book; and she said, \u201cMan!\u00a0 We have got to get him here on the broadcast to let our listeners peek into a life of a very famous martyr.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And as our listeners have already heard, we have our staff joining us for today\u2019s program.\u00a0 They are here in the studio audience today.\u00a0 (Applause)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m tempted to ask you, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you at work?\u201d\u00a0 (Laughter)\u00a0 I guess we did invite you to come here; didn\u2019t we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It really is a treat to have Eric Metaxas to join us on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>Eric, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m thrilled to be here, even if you pronounce Metaxas completely incorrectly.\u00a0 (Laughter)\u00a0 I\u2019m not hurt.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did I mispronounce it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m not hurt at all; I want you to know.\u00a0 I know it was your wife\u2019s idea to bring me here, and I\u2019m just not going to bring that up again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 She would have gotten the name right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Eric Metas-kis?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s close enough, I think.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Is that not it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, for Arkansas.\u00a0 (Audience Laughter)\u00a0 I know there\u2019s not a lot of Greeks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNo, no, that\u2019s not an Arkansas slam.\u00a0 It\u2019s just that I know you don\u2019t get to pronounce Greek surnames around here.\u00a0 So Metaxas is tough.\u00a0 I\u2019ll give you it.\u00a0 I\u2019ll give you it.\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Everybody wants their \u201cmetax-es\u201d lowered.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, we got it!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>That\u2019s how you remember the name; isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s not how I remember it, but I think they\u2019ve probably\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Eric Metaxas joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>Welcome to the broadcast, Eric.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Honestly, it\u2019s a great privilege to be here.\u00a0 I\u2019m thrilled to be here.\u00a0 Thank you, Barbara, for helping me get here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 She did read this book; and she said, \u201cWe have got to have him on the broadcast.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tJust to let our listeners know who Eric is\u2014he is a <em>New York Times <\/em>best-selling author.\u00a0 He has written a ton of books for children\u2014over 30.\u00a0 He\u2019s especially known as a contributor to the <em>Veggie Tales<\/em> series as a writer there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Are you one of the voices for one of the characters?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, I am.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Which character?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, actually, I\u2019m the voice\u2014this is not a joke\u2014I\u2019m the voice of the narrator on the Esther video.\u00a0 The narrator is a non-pictured vegetable.\u00a0 It\u2019s a vegetable universe\u2014so, you know, I\u2019m a vegetable\u2014the narrator\u2019s a vegetable, but you don\u2019t know what <em>kind <\/em>of vegetable.\u00a0 I think I\u2019m a broccoli, Bob, but I really don\u2019t know.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I\u2019ve been a writer for <em>Veggie Tales<\/em>.\u00a0 I wrote the <em>Hamlet <\/em>\u201cOmelet\u201d parody on <em>Lyle, the Kindly Viking<\/em>, and I\u2019ve written a number of books for <em>Veggie Tales, <\/em>yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You live in New York City with your wife and daughter.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 I live in New York City with my wife and daughter; that\u2019s correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 He has written a book called <em>Bonhoeffer:<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em><em>Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>You know, as you pick up a book like this\u2014that, by the way, weighs over 40 pounds.\u00a0 (Laughter)\u00a0 It\u2019s really a piece of work you\u2019ve got here.\u00a0 I was admiring that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to pull back to your life\u2014where you grew up, and how you grew up, and how you came to faith in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, the Bonhoeffer story is actually a part of that.\u00a0 My parents came over from Europe.\u00a0 My dad came from Greece; hence, my surname, Metaxas.\u00a0 My mom came over from Germany.\u00a0 They met in English class in New York City.\u00a0 I was raised in New York, and then Connecticut, in the Greek Orthodox Church, which was really a cultural Christian upbringing.\u00a0 I did not know the Lord; did not hear the Gospel, particularly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had some kind of an incipient Christian faith, and then I went off to Yale University.\u00a0 In case you didn\u2019t know, Yale University is extremely, aggressively secular.\u00a0 So, by the time I graduated, I was thoroughly confused.\u00a0 The moral of the story is, \u201cDon\u2019t go to Yale with an open mind.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 (Laughter)\u00a0 That\u2019s a bitter joke.\u00a0 We\u2019ll cut that out in post.\u00a0\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we won\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we won\u2019t.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, Yale.\u00a0 Yale, like most of the Ivy League, and like most of academia, is very aggressively secular.\u00a0 I graduated totally confused, and I wanted to be a writer.\u00a0 I tried to do that, but there\u2019s no plan\u2014\u201cHow Do You Become a Writer?\u201d\u00a0 It was really tough; and in the midst of this misery, trying to be a writer, I got a job as a proof-reader at Union-Carbide in Danbury, Connecticut.\u00a0 In case you\u2019re wondering, that\u2019s a boring job.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think the closest word that I can come up with is G<em>ehenna<\/em>.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if anybody gets that word\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s just what popped into my mind.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What did you proof?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s just a rema word of knowledge I got.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s your theology, but I get the word <em>Gehenna<\/em>.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBasically, I will tell you, it was so bad\u2014such a difficult time in my life\u2014that, to be semi-funny about it, I was willing to consider the claims of the God of the Bible.\u00a0 I was searching spiritually because I was so unhappy.\u00a0 In the midst of this, a man\u2014a dear friend now\u2014his name is Ed Tuttle\u2014he was sharing with me.\u00a0 He was a real believer, and he very sensitively and patiently was sharing with me from the Scriptures.\u00a0 I was in enough pain to want to hear more, but I wasn\u2019t ready to go to church.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t ready to have a Bible study or anything.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the months passed and I am taking this stuff in very, very slowly.\u00a0 I\u2019m being weaned from my (sort of) secular Yale influences because I\u2019m living at home with my parents and going to this awful job.\u00a0 I think my intellectual objections to Scripture were worn down slowly, slowly, slowly.\u00a0 Then one night\u2014and I won\u2019t tell this story because it\u2019s a long story\u2014but I had a dream.\u00a0 The Lord made Himself extremely real to me in a dream.\u00a0 It was one of these things that, if it happened to anybody else and he\u2019d had this dream, he wouldn\u2019t even know what to make of it.\u00a0 But to me it was extremely clear.\u00a0 I woke up, totally changed\u2014<em>4<\/em> that Jesus is Lord and the Bible is true.\u00a0 All this stuff that I would have mocked a few weeks earlier (or at least been skeptical of), I knew, \u201cThis is true.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say it\u2019s like going to sleep single and waking up married.\u00a0 It just happened, and it had nothing to do with me any more than Lazarus had a lot of faith to be resurrected.\u00a0 I was a spiritual corpse, and I was just there.\u00a0 God acted in His grace.\u00a0 That was over 20 years ago, and it dramatically changed everything.\u00a0 There\u2019s a video on my website of the dream.\u00a0 My website is just my name, EricMetaxas.com.\u00a0 It\u2019s an amazing dream and how the Lord spoke to me.\u00a0 I have absolutely never been the same since.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 There are all of these stories from <em>The Jesus Film<\/em> being shown overseas of where Jesus has appeared to people, and there have been these conversions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Even where the written Word (of the Gospel) has not yet been produced in a language.\u00a0 So, I know that can happen and has happened in times past.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou did become a writer, however.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You ultimately tore into a topic that is curious in and of itself.\u00a0 I\u2019d love to go there for a moment; but what I would like you to do, since you have spent\u2014how long researching Dietrich Bonhoeffer\u2019s life?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I\u2019m 48, so I think it feels like 80 years.\u00a0 Can I say that?\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 It was a long time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Some of our listeners may not know him or know a lot about him.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Could you just give us a brief introduction into who he was?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes; this actually gets back to the summer that I came to Christ.\u00a0 The man at Union Carbide, who was leading me to faith, hands me a copy of Bonhoeffer\u2019s book, <em>The Cost of Discipleship<\/em>.\u00a0 He says, \u201cEric,\u201d you know, \u201cyou\u2019re German.\u00a0 You went to Yale.\u00a0 Probably this would interest you.\u00a0 Have you ever heard of Bonhoeffer before?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI said, \u201cNo. I\u2019ve never heard of Bonhoeffer before.\u00a0 Who\u2019s Bonhoeffer?\u201d\u00a0 He tells me, \u201cOh, Bonhoeffer is a German pastor who, because of his faith in Jesus, stood up against the Nazis\u2014spoke out against the Nazis\u2014spoke up for the Jews.\u00a0 He was killed in a concentration camp in 1945.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember hearing this story and thinking, \u201cYou\u2019re kidding!\u00a0 There\u2019s a man who, because of his faith in Jesus, did these things?\u00a0 Spoke against the Nazis?\u201d\u00a0 I had never heard these kinds of stories.\u00a0 I was <em>so moved<\/em> by that, that I thought, \u201cSomeday\u2014maybe someday\u2014I would do something with this.\u201d\u00a0 I never dreamt I would write a biography.\u00a0 I\u00a0 never had an ambition to write a biography; but, of course, that\u2019s what happened.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Take us into his home life and where he grew up because that was fascinating to me.\u00a0 You spend a good bit of time, in the book, going into that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I was absolutely <em>fascinated<\/em> by his upbringing and by his family.\u00a0 I said, \u201cI\u2019ve got to write about this in the book\u201d because anybody who reads it\u2014anybody who has read the book\u2014knows that when you read the story of his family, you cannot help but almost be jealous because it seems like such a delightful family.\u00a0 Even if you have a wonderful family, you can\u2019t help but feel, \u201cBoy, the Bonhoeffers\u2014this was it!\u201d\u00a0 It really touched me because, I thought, \u201cSome people don\u2019t arise out of a vacuum.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBonhoeffer is an example of that.\u00a0 He grew up as the son of an <em>amazing<\/em> mother and father who created one of the most beautiful family environments of anything I\u2019ve ever experienced (just to read about this).\u00a0 It\u2019s pretty clear that who they were made him who he was.\u00a0 All of the brothers and sisters, really, it seems, were extraordinary human beings.\u00a0 This is because of this mother and father.\u00a0 They were a united front; there was real harmony.\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t mean that they agreed on everything, but they presented a united front to the children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey loved each other; they respected each other.\u00a0 You can see how this touched the whole family and it had a ripple effect into the decades and decades beyond because all of these brothers and sisters grew up with courage and with the ability to be their own person in the midst of, you know, Nazi Germany, where it was pretty tough to do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 At the beginning of the 20<sup>th<\/sup> century in Germany\u2014when you talk about churches, theology\u2014you\u2019re not talking about conservative, evangelical thinking.\u00a0 I mean, this was a time in church history when the Bible was being disregarded or torn apart.\u00a0 Bonhoeffer was pursuing theology in a time when being a Christian\u2014when embracing the Gospel was not in vogue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right; and this is what\u2019s so fascinating.\u00a0 It\u2019s why so many people have been confused about Bonhoeffer.\u00a0 They sort of <em>assume<\/em> that anybody studying under Harnack; studying at Berlin University; studying at Union has got to be a theological liberal.\u00a0 Well, guess what?\u00a0 Bonhoeffer was absolutely <em>not <\/em>that.\u00a0 He had such intellectual confidence and integrity that he was perfectly happy to be among them and to learn from them\u2014to learn to speak their language, but he was not a theological liberal.\u00a0 He had a very robust, biblical faith (the kind that we would recognize); but most of his colleagues were not on that page.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask you about that because it wasn\u2019t long after your book came out that I remember seeing an article that kind of took you to task, saying you ignored aspects of Bonhoeffer\u2019s life and painted an evangelical picture that wasn\u2019t entirely accurate?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, he smoked a cigarette once, so obviously he\u2019s going to hell!\u00a0 I missed that part.\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think Bonhoeffer\u2014you know what it is?\u00a0 Some people are so complicated\u2014that I would say other people are almost unworthy of understanding them.\u00a0 You get this impression with Bonhoeffer.\u00a0 Over the years, he has been thoroughly misunderstood on both left and right.\u00a0 You get people on the left who fall in love with certain aspects of Bonhoeffer so they try to make Bonhoeffer in their own image, which is really intellectually dishonest; but they were able to get away with it for about 50 years and paint a picture of Bonhoeffer as theologically liberal.\u00a0 That\u2019s simply not true.\u00a0 Anybody who looks at him seriously knows that you can\u2019t conclude that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the problem is that you get people, sort of on the theological right (and I would describe myself as among them)\u2014you get people on that side who are almost so theologically fussy that they\u2019re just looking for one thing that he said or he wrote to brand him as, \u201dOh!\u00a0 He\u2019s not one of us,\u201d which is really, ultimately, ridiculous; but they\u2019ve bought into the liberal view of Bonhoeffer, which is just not true.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe controversy over my book kind of cracks me up because I didn\u2019t try to put a spin on Bonhoeffer.\u00a0 I try to tell the story of who Bonhoeffer is; and I think any fair-minded person who reads about him recognizes, \u201cThis is somebody who\u2014this is my brother in Christ.\u00a0 Lord, give me the strength to live with a tithe of the obedience to God that this man had.\u201d\u00a0 He was absolutely <em>passionate<\/em> in serving the Lord\u2014not just in preaching about the Lord, but in living also for the Lord.\u00a0 Yes, the controversy just kind of\u2014it just cracks me up.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what to say.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You chronicle his spiritual life, obviously, in the book and talk about how his mom had a profound impact on him, spiritually speaking\u2014really introducing the truth of Scripture\u2014how he became a student of theology at the age of 13 and then kind of hid it\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 \u2014hid it from the family, so to speak\u2014how he went to seminary and got a PhD at 21 and then got a second PhD at 24.\u00a0 Then he came to America.\u00a0 It was in America\u2014his first trip to America\u2014 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014that he had a profound spiritual experience that involved the African-American church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, it\u2019s amazing.\u00a0 Of course, I live in New York City, so I take great pride in the fact that here this brilliant theologian, and he was utterly brilliant\u2014accomplished\u2014to get your PhD at 21!\u00a0 He comes to America and he goes to Union Theological Seminary, which is decidedly theologically liberal.\u00a0 Now, Bonhoeffer, as I said before\u2014he respected theological liberals in Berlin.\u00a0 He disagreed with them, but he respected them; he could learn from them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow he comes to New York, and he\u2019s really looking down his nose at what passes for theology at Union and in New York\u2019s kind of mainline Protestant circles.\u00a0 He understands that it\u2019s nothing but knee-jerk anti-fundamentalism.\u00a0 It\u2019s nothing but the social gospel.\u00a0 It\u2019s nice to feed the hungry and to serve the poor; but you don\u2019t call that Christianity; you know?\u00a0 That comes out of Christianity\u2014but, \u201cShow me, where is your faith?\u201d and, \u201cShow me the connection.\u201d\u00a0 Well, that was not happening in New York City.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo Bonhoeffer didn\u2019t really get much theologically; but what happened to him in New York, which is life-changing and it really makes the story, is that he bumps into a fellow student at Union named Frank Fisher, an African-American student from Alabama who was spending some time doing some work up in Harlem at a church called Abyssinian Baptist Church.\u00a0 He asks Bonhoeffer, \u201cWould you like to visit with me?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBonhoeffer, of course, was <em>very<\/em> curious; very culturally curious.\u00a0 The Bonhoeffer family was like this\u2014they would visit and travel and they knew every painting.\u00a0 They would love to experience every aspect of life.\u00a0 So Bonhoeffer says, \u201cYes, I\u2019d like to go up.\u201d\u00a0 He goes up to Harlem one Sunday morning in late 1930, and he enters this church.\u00a0 His experience in this African-American congregation totally blows his mind.\u00a0 There\u2019s just no question.\u00a0 He\u2019s never seen this kind of Christianity.\u00a0 This is robust, Gospel-preaching.\u00a0 The preacher was Adam Clayton Powell, Sr.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou\u2019re hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ preached with fire and with clarity, and these people are living it out.\u00a0 They\u2019re doing things in the community that are an outgrowth of their faith in Jesus.\u00a0 Bonhoeffer was so moved by this and so moved by the worship, he vows to go back to Abyssinian up in Harlem every Sunday that he can.\u00a0 Here you have this blonde, bespectacled, Berlin academic going up to Harlem in 1930 and 1931 every Sunday\u2014not just to worship there\u2014but to teach Sunday school and to get involved in the lives of these people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere seems to be little question, at least in my mind; but I think in most folks\u2019 who are familiar with the story, that this had an impact that changed him forever.\u00a0 He goes back to Germany and everybody says, \u201cWhat happened to you?\u201d\u00a0 He didn\u2019t change his theology, but somehow it\u2019s become real.\u00a0 Somehow he knows it\u2019s not about being a theological genius.\u00a0 It\u2019s about being a disciple of Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This was happening in the early 1930\u2019s in America\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014while there was a storm brewing.\u00a0 We need some time to unpack that storm and his involvement in that storm, but a part of what happened in New York was preparation for what was ahead for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 No question because now he goes back to Germany in 1931, and people can see that he\u2019s changed somehow.\u00a0 Now he was theologically a Christian before that.\u00a0 If you read what he writes before that, he was not some heretic.\u00a0 He was <em>brilliantly<\/em> Christian.\u00a0 I mean, his writings are just extraordinary!\u00a0 But now he comes back and his heart has changed; and Germany has also changed.\u00a0 Germany is now decidedly moving in the direction of Nazism\u2014National Socialism and Hitler.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBonhoeffer seems to know right out of the blocks that this is antithetical to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.\u00a0 So many Christians in Germany didn\u2019t see it.\u00a0 They were blind; they were confused.\u00a0 Bonhoeffer seems right from the beginning to know that the path of National Socialism will bring us to war with the church.\u00a0 The church of Jesus Christ cannot go along with this.\u00a0 From the day\u2014two days after Hitler becomes chancellor\u2014Bonhoeffer is publicly opposed and speaking out, calling the church to be the church in the midst of this maelstrom that was happening in Germany at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, it\u2019s hard for us to even imagine that you could be a follower of Christ and be blind to the fact that the Nazi party is antithetical to that.\u00a0 It makes me wonder about my own blind spots.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Eric:<\/strong>\u00a0 As well it should!\u00a0 That\u2019s the whole point, I think, of these stories.\u00a0 The reason the Lord gives us stories like the story of Bonhoeffer is to help us look at ourselves and to try to ask that question, \u201cAm I perhaps missing something?\u201d\u00a0 And, of course, we\u2019re missing something.\u00a0 The Lord\u2019s job is to help us to see those things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBonhoeffer really was prophetic in Germany at the time to try to get the church to <em>see<\/em> what it was blind to seeing, and he was, you know, a Cassandra\u2014well, like all the prophets, really, his voice was not heeded.\u00a0 Thousands of years later, we say, \u201cOh, wasn\u2019t Isaiah great?\u00a0 Wasn\u2019t Jeremiah great?\u201d but at the time, the people of God didn\u2019t think they were so great.\u00a0 They thought they were just hotheads, and Bonhoeffer was one of those folks.\u00a0 He saw these things, but so many people were confused.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have to be fair, and gracious, and understand that we probably would have been confused, too, because it\u2019s not as if Hitler came out of the chancellery and said, \u201cOh, by the way, let me tell you German people\u2014I\u2019m going to be serving Satan for the next ten years.\u201d\u00a0 He was, like all emissaries of Satan\u2014he was a liar; he was a deceiver.\u00a0 He was very good at telling people what he thought they wanted to hear so that he could gain more power.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s precisely what Hitler did!\u00a0 Hitler <em>pretended<\/em> to be some kind of Christian, and he instructed all of his top lieutenants to do the same because he understood this gave them political cover.\u00a0 We all know that just to say you\u2019re a Christian doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019re a Christian.\u00a0 In fact, there were many Germans who thought they were Christians, who when you realize what happened in Germany at the time, you realize their Christianity was worth nothing\u2014and that\u2019s not true Christianity\u2014that\u2019s not faith in Jesus Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s always the battle for us\u2014to know, \u201cAm I merely being religious?\u00a0 Am I just some guy who goes to church, and I don\u2019t do these sins?\u201d\u00a0 Well, that doesn\u2019t make you a Christian.\u00a0 To be a Christian is to have a robust faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.\u00a0 It\u2019s easy to fool people, but you can\u2019t fool God.\u00a0 That\u2019s kind of where Bonhoeffer was during this time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 A biography like this does a couple of things for me.\u00a0 One is it reinforces the importance of a mom and a dad at home, to teach their children to respect other people, to embrace the truth, and to fall in love with Jesus Christ at a young age.\u00a0 It gives great hope and encouragement at that level, which we need to be giving today.\u00a0 On a personal level, as an adult, for all of us, his courage and commitment to truth and unequivocal surrender to Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI don\u2019t want to spoil kind of the end of the story, but there was a doctor who watched Bonhoeffer die.\u00a0 He basically said, \u201cI\u2019ve never seen anyone who has been so surrendered to Jesus Christ, like this man.\u201d\u00a0 That, to me, speaks through the ages and challenges us today to be those kinds of men and women in our culture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s a part of the compelling nature of this story.\u00a0 It\u2019s a story that you have captured beautifully in your biography of Dietrich Bonhoeffer, which we have in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve not read Eric Metaxas\u2019 account of the life of Bonhoeffer, go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy of the book.\u00a0 Again, our website is FamilyLIfeToday.com; 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