{"id":302415,"date":"2011-12-02T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-12-02T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life\/"},"modified":"2011-12-02T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2011-12-02T17:00:00","slug":"sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life\/","title":{"rendered":"Sandbox Theology:  Teaching Your Children in Everyday Life"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Do your children sense God\u2019s awesome power?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2011-12-02.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"25.84M","filesize_raw":"27098455","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2816],"tags":[4645,5184,5183],"podcast_series":[7643],"cwp_profile":[9164],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302415","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-christmas","tag-advent","tag-family-christmas","tag-ornaments","podcast_series-big-truths-for-young-hearts","cwp_profile-bruce-ware","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302415\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302415\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"n02EA75PAP\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life\/\">Sandbox Theology:  Teaching Your Children in Everyday Life<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/sandbox-theology-teaching-your-children-in-everyday-life\/embed\/#?secret=n02EA75PAP\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Sandbox Theology:  Teaching Your Children in Everyday Life&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"n02EA75PAP\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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but we also need to be teaching them some of the great truths of the faith, helping them understand things like sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 We need to instill in our children this understanding of sin, that is not merely acts that are wrong that violate standards, but it is a heart of independence from God, that doesn't want to submit to God.\u00a0 Again, this is so counter-cultural because we live in a culture that despises the notion of submission to authority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Friday, December 2<sup>nd<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife\u00ae, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 How do we communicate the big ideas, the big truths of Scripture to our children?\u00a0 We'll have some practical suggestions for you today.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You know, I think most of us, as parents, when we\u2019re raising our children, we recognize we have some responsibility to teach them some things about the Bible and about God.\u00a0 Especially, if we\u2019re Christian parents, we realize that.\u00a0 So we get story books about Bible stories and read those to our children.\u00a0 Nothing wrong with doing that, but I guess I wonder if those story books do the job the way it ought to be done.\u00a0 Do you know what I\u2019m saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I do.\u00a0 In fact, what you're talking about, Bob, is really, I think, what parents want an answer for.\u00a0 In fact, we surveyed more than 100,000 people in churches across America and asked them, \u201cWhen it came to parenting, what are the issues you'd like help with?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was astounded that the issue we're going to talk about today was at the top; and if it wasn't number one, it was in the top three issues that parents today ask for and needed help on.\u00a0 They wanted to know, \u201cHow do I introduce my child to God?\u201d, \u201cHow can I teach them about Who God is, what He is like?\u201d, and, \u201cHow should I relate to them?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's simple; you just teach them a big song\u2014[sings] \"My God is so BIG, so strong and so mighty!\u00a0 There's nothing my God cannot do\u2014for you!\"\u00a0 Right?\u00a0 That song\u2014I mean, they got it right then; didn't they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let's ask our resident theologian on the broadcast today, Dr. Bruce Ware.\u00a0 Is that all they need, Bruce?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, that's a good start.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is a good start; isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I'm glad you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 It's actually a very good song, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u00a0I'm glad you didn't discourage Bob in his singing.\u00a0 Bruce is a professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.\u00a0 He's been married for 30 years to his wife Jodi; and they have two daughters, Bethany and Rachel.\u00a0 He has dedicated this book to them\u2014<em>Big Truths for Young Hearts.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>It's all about teaching your children about God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, where do we start?\u00a0 Do we start with a song?\u00a0 That's not a bad place to begin\u2014or the story books that Bob mentioned; but there is more we need to do; isn't there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 There is.\u00a0 I think what songs attempt to do is going in the right direction, and that's developing ideas.\u00a0 You know, the songs that really mean the most to us are ones where the richness of the truth is unpacked\u2014whether we do that through song, or whether we do it through discussion with our children, and, for that matter, as families, together with wives and husbands, as well\u2014but to unpack the truths that are there in Scripture\u2014to try to convey a vision of how great and glorious God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Dennis, I read A.W. Tozer's, <em>The Knowledge of the Holy,<\/em> when I was a freshman in college; and, honestly, my <em>entire life<\/em> has been marked by what the Lord did in my life when I read that book.\u00a0 Tozer\u2014you may remember this very memorable line\u2014he begins Chapter One with the statement, \"What comes into our minds when we think about God is <em>the most important thing<\/em> about us.\"\u00a0 And that is not hyperbole.\u00a0 This is the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The reason I was chuckling at that, Bruce, is that is one of the most often-repeated quotes on this broadcast.\u00a0 I love that book, too; and I kind of boiled it down to what I felt like Tozer was saying, which was, \u201cThe most important thing about you is what you think about God.\u201d\u00a0 If we think wrongly about God, we're not going to think rightly about who we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Or anything else, for that matter.\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 And, of course, nothing in our culture encourages us to think rightly about God or about ourselves.\u00a0 Our culture encourages a far too lofty view of ourselves and a belittled view of God; and we need to turn the tables on this with our own children, and our own homes, and our own churches.\u00a0 We need to revive the sense of how great God is.\u00a0 What a privilege it is to be a weak, needy creature who is in relationship with a great, glorious God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm not the great one, I'm not the wise one, I'm not the strong one\u2014He is; but, oh, my goodness, in my weakness and need, what an incredible thing that He would love me and give himself to me as He has.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Where else is the hope?\u00a0 I'm going to ask you to move off of the soapbox for a moment while I step up on it because I couldn't agree more, and I think the place for that to happen is at home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Most of us, as parents, I think, mistakenly believe that we should take them to church to teach them about God.\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 That needs to occur there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But, you know where it needs to start?\u00a0 It needs to start with moms and dads who, in the middle of life\u2014I used to call it \"sandbox theology\"\u2014playing with your kid in the sandbox\u2014you're relating to them on their level about who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Deuteronomy 6, \"As you walk on the way, as you rise up, lie down,\u201d\u2014it's all day long.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But kids start off life, Bruce, as I think\u2014fundamentally, as empiricists.\u00a0 Everything they are learning is through their senses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And so you introduce a subject like God, and you take them outside of their senses.\u00a0 You take them into their imagination; but, now, everything in their imagination is not really true\u2014it's fiction:\u00a0 it's the Easter Bunny, or it's fairies, or it's goblins, or whatever else you're reading to them as fiction.\u00a0 How do you help a child understand that God, Who you can't see, and you can't touch, and you can't smell\u2014He is real!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, one thing you can do is use images in the Bible itself\u2014that speak of God\u2014that are visual.\u00a0 I have a very precious memory with our own two girls when they were young\u2014and this story only works because they were young.\u00a0 You'll see that in a moment.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read one morning on our family vacation on the coast of Oregon\u2014we were staying at a cottage that was right on the beach\u2014beautiful area right near Cannon Beach, Oregon.\u00a0 I had read to them that morning from Isaiah 40, verse 12, that says, \"Who do you know Who has measured the waters of this world in the hollow of His hand?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter we read that morning, I said to the girls, \"Hey, how about if we do a little experiment down at the beach?\"\u00a0 Of course, they're excited.\u00a0 Bethany was about six or seven, and Rachel was about three.\u00a0 We headed down to the beach; and when we got there, I said, \"Okay, girls, now here is what we're going to do.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cRemember that verse about how God can hold the waters of the world in the hollow of His hand?\"\u00a0 \"Yeah, we remember that, Daddy.\"\u00a0 So I said, \"Well, what we're going to do is\u2014I'm going to go out into the water.\u00a0 I'm going to lean down and scoop up all the water I can out of this Pacific Ocean.\u00a0 I want you to stay here and watch and see how far the level of the water dips when I do that.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Okay, Daddy.\u201d\u00a0 They're excited.\u00a0 So you can see this only works because they were little; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 So I went out there, and did that, and scooped up the water.\u00a0 \"Did it change?\"\u00a0 \"No, Daddy.\"\u00a0 I said, \"Look again.\u00a0 Come on now, look real carefully.\"\u00a0 So I scooped up the water.\u00a0 \"Did it change?\"\u00a0 \"No, Daddy.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came back and got down on my knees, eye-level with my girls, and I said, \"Now, girls, look at that ocean.\u00a0 I came out here, and I scooped up all the water I can in the hollow of my two hands, and you can't tell anything has changed.\u00a0 Can you imagine a hand so big that if it came down and scooped up water, that ocean bed would be dry?\u00a0 That's how big God is.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Get the biggest bucket you can and say, \"Okay, how much\u2014we've got a gallon here; we've got two gallons.\u00a0 Let's see how much it takes to drain the ocean.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The point you're doing is\u2014you're re-introducing or you are introducing your children to the wonder of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, which they will not get in their culture; and, sadly, in many of our churches, they won't get this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bruce, on the concept of sin and helping our children understand their own nature as sinners and the whole nature of sin itself, most of the time it seems to me that parents address sin\u2014I think we did when our kids were growing up\u2014around the issue of obedience.\u00a0 Sin is when you do something wrong, and you know you've done wrong things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, when I grew up with that idea of sin, I think it gave me the wrong picture as a young adult because I began to see my sin as maybe my bad habits or\u2014I didn't really see it as a fundamental rebellion against the God of the Universe.\u00a0 How do you help a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old get past thinking that sin is just that you told a fib yesterday and really understand that it's a rebellious act against God?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, of course, sin is those things; and you didn't say that it isn't, Bob; but they are those things.\u00a0 It's what gives rise to them that really is where the heart of sin is\u2014out of a heart that wants to go its own way.\u00a0 I mean, at the root of our natures, as sinners, is this autonomy, this sense that, \u201cI have the right to define for myself what happiness is,\u201d \u201cWhat I should be able to do and not do,\u201d \u201cWhat I should be able to have and not have,\u201d \u201cI have the right to that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what this does is set the stage then for the Gospel, for the opportunity to help train our children that the thing they need most is to have this sinful, rebellious, independent spirit broken as Christ and His work on the cross comes and forgives their sin and remakes them as people who now, with hearts that long more and more\u2014of course, never, in this life, can we do this perfectly\u2014but that long more and more to do what pleases God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, so maybe kids can get this idea that, \"Yes, I'm fundamentally selfish,\" but explaining the Gospel to a child seems a little complex.\u00a0 In fact, Bruce, I remember I was a high school student, riding to a choir trip one weekend; and I was reading on the bus <em>The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,<\/em> and I remember coming to the point where Aslan makes the exchange for Edmond.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Edmund has been captured by the White Witch; he is sentenced to die.\u00a0 Aslan takes the White Witch aside, he talks to her, and then he comes back and says, \"It's all settled.\"\u00a0 The kids don't know what happened, but Edmund's free.\u00a0 They're all happy until they learn that Aslan has to die.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember closing that book, as a senior in high school, and going, \"Oh, I understand what people mean when they say, \u2018Jesus died for your sins.\u2019\"\u00a0 I'd heard that for years but really didn't understand it.\u00a0 How do you help a seven-year-old understand that the solution to their rebellion, the solution to their independence, is in Jesus?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know part of it, Bob, goes back to the foundation laid earlier\u2014hopefully, in how great God is\u2014which helps us understand why sin is so significant.\u00a0 If God is not great, sin is not great.\u00a0 If God is weighty and significant, then what it means to violate our allegiance to Him and our obedience to Him is itself a <em>weighty<\/em> thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe cannot, as finite human beings, provide what is needed to correct that breach of relationship.\u00a0 Here we then present children with this glorious truth that the very offended God is the One Who devised the plan by which He would offer <em>His own Son<\/em>.\u00a0 \u201cCan you believe it?\u201d\u2014to be the means by which the offense I have done is rectified through what Christ does in my place as He bears my sin and pays the penalty for my sin on the cross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat only makes sense, I think, when you understand how great God is; and it helps us understand the significance, then, of the sin that we have committed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in your book, I find it interesting the way you've gone about this.\u00a0 You have a whole section that basically answers the question, \u201cWho is Jesus?\u201d\u00a0 And then you have the following section that is entitled, \"The Work That Jesus Has Done.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are concepts, Bruce, that I think, within the Christian community, we're not certain of.\u00a0 There are a number of parents who are listening to our broadcast right now who, if they died, they don't know where they'd go.\u00a0 They don't know where they'd spend eternity.\u00a0 They aren't sure of their <em>own <\/em>eternal salvation.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo how can they introduce their son or daughter to a relationship with Christ and know with certainty, on the basis of God's Word, where they're going to spend eternity?\u00a0 How would you address a parent right now, then, who is listening, who isn't sure where they would spend eternity?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my.\u00a0 Well, the single most important thing is to understand the teaching of God's Word that this God Who made us, Who we rebelled against, Who has every right to condemn us, is the very same God Who has offered His Son to pay the penalty for our own sin through His death on the cross.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll that is required of us is not works, not some kind of payback for what God has done, but simply accepting, by faith, what God has done for us in Christ.\u00a0 Why didn't God make it so that we have to do something to earn our salvation?\u00a0 Because then we'd get the credit for it; wouldn't we?\u00a0 But in this way, it is not by works; therefore, no one can boast, and all the glory is given to God.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my goodness, if there is a parent out there who doesn't know for himself or herself the future destiny that you have, the only hope we have as sinners is to put our trust in what Christ has done <em>for us<\/em> in paying the penalty for our sin.\u00a0 Put your faith in a God who has provided for you what you cannot do yourself, and that is give to you eternal life through the forgiveness of your sins in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bruce, let me ask you what I think a lot of parents really wrestle with.\u00a0 A 5-year-old child comes and says, \"You know, I would like to pray to ask Jesus to come into my heart.\"\u00a0 Mom and Dad are thrilled when a 5-year-old child says that.\u00a0 Maybe they get together, and Mom talks, reads some Scripture, prays with the child, and then she walks away and goes, \"Okay, what just happened there?\u00a0 Did my child come to faith?\u00a0 How do I know?\u00a0 What do I do?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you coach a parent when a child comes home from Vacation Bible School and says, \"I prayed at Vacation Bible School to become a Christian today.\"\u00a0 Do we celebrate with the angels in heaven that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents, or do we scratch our head and go, \"I wonder if that really took?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right, right.\u00a0 Well, again, that's a great question, Bob.\u00a0 I do think this is another area where you walk a fine line, and you can err on either of two sides.\u00a0 One is, by pooh-poohing the whole thing , \"Oh, a 5-year-old, this couldn't be the case,\" and really depriving\u2014if, in fact, this conversion has taken place\u2014depriving this child, who is now a believer in Christ, of reveling in forgiveness of sin and entering into eternal life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, you don't want to <em>presume<\/em> immediately that this, in fact, has happened.\u00a0 So you encourage and say, \"Honey, you know, if this was a genuine expression of your life, of your heart and longing, this is wonderful.\u00a0 I rejoice with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know, one of the evidences that this is a true belief of your heart is that it will continue.\u00a0 Let's just keep talking.\u201d\u00a0 And if it has, my goodness, it's just the beginning of this growth process as this child grows to understand better Who God is, and what their own sin is, and what Christ has done, and the glories of the riches of His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Let me jump ahead now, 12 years later; and your five-year-old is now a 17-year-old.\u00a0 You did see back when they were five some indication that they had a tender heart for God, and they were studying the Word, and a lot going on; but now, at 17, there is no interest in the things of God.\u00a0 What kind of a conclusion do you draw, as a parent, about what's happened to your child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Well, you pray.\u00a0 You pray a lot for those children, and you never give up praying.\u00a0 You never give up on the power of God to take a hold of that life again.\u00a0 If there is a longstanding rebellion, disinterest in the things of God, I do think that you, at some point, begin to wonder whether, as a child, this person really did truly come to Christ\u2014truly was converted\u2014because we know from Scripture that the evidence of the work of the Spirit in the life of the person is what helps us know that this person truly has been saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, there can be these long periods of time; and then someone does come back, the Lord brings them back.\u00a0 I think we need to wait for that, pray for that, hope for that, and when that happens, I think sometimes it's hard to know for sure if the person was saved originally or if they came to Christ at this point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 You know, there are two things going on here.\u00a0 One is the simple concept of not hindering your children to come into a relationship with Christ and of always making that invitation real clear.\u00a0 And frankly, the older I get, the more mysterious the new birth really is.\u00a0 Jesus compared it to the wind.\u00a0 You know, you don't see it, you feel it, you see its results; but it's still a bit of a mystery; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only, \u201cNot hindering a child\u201d but, secondly, \u201cnot giving them false hope\u201d that, because they made a decision when they were young, therefore, they really are a true follower of Christ.\u00a0 You know, I can't answer that question for every parent because it's a difficult one to call\u2014the question that Bob was asking you here.\u00a0 What we need, as parents, is we need a way to impart, number one, Who God is.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, who we are in light of Who God is, which means, thirdly, we need a Savior.\u00a0 We need to know God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 This book, <em>Big Truths for Little Hearts\u2014<\/em>I think there's going to be a lot of parents who benefit from this\u2014aunts and uncles who may have an objective of teaching their nieces and nephews about Who God is because they're the only believer in their family.\u00a0 In the process of teaching them, you're going to learn a ton, as an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, Bruce, I want to thank you for not only being a great scholar but for taking those lofty concepts and bringing them down to\u2014well, as I like to say, \"putting the cookies on the lower shelf\" where most of us live, and where most of us can understand these great truths of Scripture, and begin to apply them in our own lives.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for being with us and thanks for helping our listeners, too.\u00a0 I think a lot of our listeners are really going to benefit from what you've shared here.\u00a0 Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis.\u00a0 Thank you, Bob.\u00a0 It\u2019s been a pleasure to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This has really been great.\u00a0 In fact, I can imagine a lot of our listeners are going to contact us to find out how they can get a copy of your book, <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts.<\/em>\u00a0 We have it in our <em>FamilyLifeToday <\/em>Resource Center; and you can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about how to get a copy of the book.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 You can also call us toll-free at 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about how to get a copy of Bruce\u2019s book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd keep in mind we have a resource that we have developed here at FamilyLife that\u2019s designed to help you press the truth of the incarnation, Jesus\u2019 birth, into the hearts of young children.\u00a0 It\u2019s an interactive Nativity scene for families called <em>What God Wants for Christmas\u00ae,<\/em> and it has a special message for kids in box number seven.\u00a0 When they open the different boxes that have the different Nativity pieces in them, box number seven is a special box that has a special message for your child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can find out more about the Nativity set, and about the poem that Barbara Rainey has written to go with <em>What God Wants for Christmas, <\/em>and how you can get the entire package when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com or when you call us toll-free at 1-800-358-6329, that\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 We will look forward to hearing from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow I want to wrap up this week by letting you know about a special matching-gift opportunity that has been presented to us here during the month of December.\u00a0 It\u2019s something we\u2019re pretty excited about; but I have to tell you our team has gotten together and we realize that if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of this matching gift opportunity, we really need to make sure all of our listeners know about it and as many of you as possible can respond.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe recognize for a lot of you things are tight financially.\u00a0 But we\u2019re coming to you because this is a pretty exciting opportunity for us, and we\u2019re hoping you can do whatever you can do to help us out.\u00a0 Every donation we receive during the month of December is going to be matched dollar for dollar.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat that means is that if you can send us $10, we\u2019ll get $10 from that matching-gift fund.\u00a0 If you send us $50, we\u2019ll get $50 from the matching-gift fund.\u00a0 Whatever you can do this month, your donation will be matched dollar for dollar.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that\u2019s why we\u2019re asking you right now to go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI Care\u201d, and make an end-of-the-year donation; or call \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1-800-FL-TODAY.\u00a0 Make your donation over the phone and know that whatever you give is being matched.\u00a0 Also know that we really appreciate your participation with us in this matching-gift opportunity that we have during the month of December.\u00a0 We hope to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to hear a challenging message from Priscilla Shirer.\u00a0 She was here not long ago and spoke to our staff the morning that she was here.\u00a0 All of us agreed it was a message we wanted to share with you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that comes up Monday.\u00a0 You\u2019ll need to have your Old Testament ready.\u00a0 I think we\u2019re in the book of Judges on Monday; so I hope you will \u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00adtune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you next week for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 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your children sense God\u2019s awesome power?","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2011-12-02.pdf","transcript_content":"<strong>Bob: <\/strong>\u00a0When we think about how to teach the Bible to our children, most of the time we think about teaching them the big stories like Daniel in the lion's den, or Jonah and the whale, or the story of Joseph, even the story of Jesus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTheologian Dr. Bruce Ware says we need to teach them those stories; but we also need to be teaching them some of the great truths of the faith, helping them understand things like sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 We need to instill in our children this understanding of sin, that is not merely acts that are wrong that violate standards, but it is a heart of independence from God, that doesn't want to submit to God.\u00a0 Again, this is so counter-cultural because we live in a culture that despises the notion of submission to authority.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today <\/em>for Friday, December 2<sup>nd<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife\u00ae, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 How do we communicate the big ideas, the big truths of Scripture to our children?\u00a0 We'll have some practical suggestions for you today.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You know, I think most of us, as parents, when we\u2019re raising our children, we recognize we have some responsibility to teach them some things about the Bible and about God.\u00a0 Especially, if we\u2019re Christian parents, we realize that.\u00a0 So we get story books about Bible stories and read those to our children.\u00a0 Nothing wrong with doing that, but I guess I wonder if those story books do the job the way it ought to be done.\u00a0 Do you know what I\u2019m saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I do.\u00a0 In fact, what you're talking about, Bob, is really, I think, what parents want an answer for.\u00a0 In fact, we surveyed more than 100,000 people in churches across America and asked them, \u201cWhen it came to parenting, what are the issues you'd like help with?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was astounded that the issue we're going to talk about today was at the top; and if it wasn't number one, it was in the top three issues that parents today ask for and needed help on.\u00a0 They wanted to know, \u201cHow do I introduce my child to God?\u201d, \u201cHow can I teach them about Who God is, what He is like?\u201d, and, \u201cHow should I relate to them?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's simple; you just teach them a big song\u2014[sings] \"My God is so BIG, so strong and so mighty!\u00a0 There's nothing my God cannot do\u2014for you!\"\u00a0 Right?\u00a0 That song\u2014I mean, they got it right then; didn't they?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let's ask our resident theologian on the broadcast today, Dr. Bruce Ware.\u00a0 Is that all they need, Bruce?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, that's a good start.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is a good start; isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I'm glad you\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 It's actually a very good song, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis: <\/strong>\u00a0I'm glad you didn't discourage Bob in his singing.\u00a0 Bruce is a professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.\u00a0 He's been married for 30 years to his wife Jodi; and they have two daughters, Bethany and Rachel.\u00a0 He has dedicated this book to them\u2014<em>Big Truths for Young Hearts.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>It's all about teaching your children about God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, where do we start?\u00a0 Do we start with a song?\u00a0 That's not a bad place to begin\u2014or the story books that Bob mentioned; but there is more we need to do; isn't there?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 There is.\u00a0 I think what songs attempt to do is going in the right direction, and that's developing ideas.\u00a0 You know, the songs that really mean the most to us are ones where the richness of the truth is unpacked\u2014whether we do that through song, or whether we do it through discussion with our children, and, for that matter, as families, together with wives and husbands, as well\u2014but to unpack the truths that are there in Scripture\u2014to try to convey a vision of how great and glorious God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Dennis, I read A.W. Tozer's, <em>The Knowledge of the Holy,<\/em> when I was a freshman in college; and, honestly, my <em>entire life<\/em> has been marked by what the Lord did in my life when I read that book.\u00a0 Tozer\u2014you may remember this very memorable line\u2014he begins Chapter One with the statement, \"What comes into our minds when we think about God is <em>the most important thing<\/em> about us.\"\u00a0 And that is not hyperbole.\u00a0 This is the truth.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The reason I was chuckling at that, Bruce, is that is one of the most often-repeated quotes on this broadcast.\u00a0 I love that book, too; and I kind of boiled it down to what I felt like Tozer was saying, which was, \u201cThe most important thing about you is what you think about God.\u201d\u00a0 If we think wrongly about God, we're not going to think rightly about who we are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Or anything else, for that matter.\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 And, of course, nothing in our culture encourages us to think rightly about God or about ourselves.\u00a0 Our culture encourages a far too lofty view of ourselves and a belittled view of God; and we need to turn the tables on this with our own children, and our own homes, and our own churches.\u00a0 We need to revive the sense of how great God is.\u00a0 What a privilege it is to be a weak, needy creature who is in relationship with a great, glorious God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm not the great one, I'm not the wise one, I'm not the strong one\u2014He is; but, oh, my goodness, in my weakness and need, what an incredible thing that He would love me and give himself to me as He has.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Where else is the hope?\u00a0 I'm going to ask you to move off of the soapbox for a moment while I step up on it because I couldn't agree more, and I think the place for that to happen is at home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Most of us, as parents, I think, mistakenly believe that we should take them to church to teach them about God.\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 That needs to occur there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But, you know where it needs to start?\u00a0 It needs to start with moms and dads who, in the middle of life\u2014I used to call it \"sandbox theology\"\u2014playing with your kid in the sandbox\u2014you're relating to them on their level about who God is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Deuteronomy 6, \"As you walk on the way, as you rise up, lie down,\u201d\u2014it's all day long.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But kids start off life, Bruce, as I think\u2014fundamentally, as empiricists.\u00a0 Everything they are learning is through their senses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, right, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And so you introduce a subject like God, and you take them outside of their senses.\u00a0 You take them into their imagination; but, now, everything in their imagination is not really true\u2014it's fiction:\u00a0 it's the Easter Bunny, or it's fairies, or it's goblins, or whatever else you're reading to them as fiction.\u00a0 How do you help a child understand that God, Who you can't see, and you can't touch, and you can't smell\u2014He is real!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, one thing you can do is use images in the Bible itself\u2014that speak of God\u2014that are visual.\u00a0 I have a very precious memory with our own two girls when they were young\u2014and this story only works because they were young.\u00a0 You'll see that in a moment.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI read one morning on our family vacation on the coast of Oregon\u2014we were staying at a cottage that was right on the beach\u2014beautiful area right near Cannon Beach, Oregon.\u00a0 I had read to them that morning from Isaiah 40, verse 12, that says, \"Who do you know Who has measured the waters of this world in the hollow of His hand?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter we read that morning, I said to the girls, \"Hey, how about if we do a little experiment down at the beach?\"\u00a0 Of course, they're excited.\u00a0 Bethany was about six or seven, and Rachel was about three.\u00a0 We headed down to the beach; and when we got there, I said, \"Okay, girls, now here is what we're going to do.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cRemember that verse about how God can hold the waters of the world in the hollow of His hand?\"\u00a0 \"Yeah, we remember that, Daddy.\"\u00a0 So I said, \"Well, what we're going to do is\u2014I'm going to go out into the water.\u00a0 I'm going to lean down and scoop up all the water I can out of this Pacific Ocean.\u00a0 I want you to stay here and watch and see how far the level of the water dips when I do that.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Okay, Daddy.\u201d\u00a0 They're excited.\u00a0 So you can see this only works because they were little; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 So I went out there, and did that, and scooped up the water.\u00a0 \"Did it change?\"\u00a0 \"No, Daddy.\"\u00a0 I said, \"Look again.\u00a0 Come on now, look real carefully.\"\u00a0 So I scooped up the water.\u00a0 \"Did it change?\"\u00a0 \"No, Daddy.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI came back and got down on my knees, eye-level with my girls, and I said, \"Now, girls, look at that ocean.\u00a0 I came out here, and I scooped up all the water I can in the hollow of my two hands, and you can't tell anything has changed.\u00a0 Can you imagine a hand so big that if it came down and scooped up water, that ocean bed would be dry?\u00a0 That's how big God is.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Get the biggest bucket you can and say, \"Okay, how much\u2014we've got a gallon here; we've got two gallons.\u00a0 Let's see how much it takes to drain the ocean.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The point you're doing is\u2014you're re-introducing or you are introducing your children to the wonder of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, which they will not get in their culture; and, sadly, in many of our churches, they won't get this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bruce, on the concept of sin and helping our children understand their own nature as sinners and the whole nature of sin itself, most of the time it seems to me that parents address sin\u2014I think we did when our kids were growing up\u2014around the issue of obedience.\u00a0 Sin is when you do something wrong, and you know you've done wrong things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor me, when I grew up with that idea of sin, I think it gave me the wrong picture as a young adult because I began to see my sin as maybe my bad habits or\u2014I didn't really see it as a fundamental rebellion against the God of the Universe.\u00a0 How do you help a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old get past thinking that sin is just that you told a fib yesterday and really understand that it's a rebellious act against God?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, of course, sin is those things; and you didn't say that it isn't, Bob; but they are those things.\u00a0 It's what gives rise to them that really is where the heart of sin is\u2014out of a heart that wants to go its own way.\u00a0 I mean, at the root of our natures, as sinners, is this autonomy, this sense that, \u201cI have the right to define for myself what happiness is,\u201d \u201cWhat I should be able to do and not do,\u201d \u201cWhat I should be able to have and not have,\u201d \u201cI have the right to that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what this does is set the stage then for the Gospel, for the opportunity to help train our children that the thing they need most is to have this sinful, rebellious, independent spirit broken as Christ and His work on the cross comes and forgives their sin and remakes them as people who now, with hearts that long more and more\u2014of course, never, in this life, can we do this perfectly\u2014but that long more and more to do what pleases God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, so maybe kids can get this idea that, \"Yes, I'm fundamentally selfish,\" but explaining the Gospel to a child seems a little complex.\u00a0 In fact, Bruce, I remember I was a high school student, riding to a choir trip one weekend; and I was reading on the bus <em>The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,<\/em> and I remember coming to the point where Aslan makes the exchange for Edmond.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, Edmund has been captured by the White Witch; he is sentenced to die.\u00a0 Aslan takes the White Witch aside, he talks to her, and then he comes back and says, \"It's all settled.\"\u00a0 The kids don't know what happened, but Edmund's free.\u00a0 They're all happy until they learn that Aslan has to die.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember closing that book, as a senior in high school, and going, \"Oh, I understand what people mean when they say, \u2018Jesus died for your sins.\u2019\"\u00a0 I'd heard that for years but really didn't understand it.\u00a0 How do you help a seven-year-old understand that the solution to their rebellion, the solution to their independence, is in Jesus?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know part of it, Bob, goes back to the foundation laid earlier\u2014hopefully, in how great God is\u2014which helps us understand why sin is so significant.\u00a0 If God is not great, sin is not great.\u00a0 If God is weighty and significant, then what it means to violate our allegiance to Him and our obedience to Him is itself a <em>weighty<\/em> thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe cannot, as finite human beings, provide what is needed to correct that breach of relationship.\u00a0 Here we then present children with this glorious truth that the very offended God is the One Who devised the plan by which He would offer <em>His own Son<\/em>.\u00a0 \u201cCan you believe it?\u201d\u2014to be the means by which the offense I have done is rectified through what Christ does in my place as He bears my sin and pays the penalty for my sin on the cross.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat only makes sense, I think, when you understand how great God is; and it helps us understand the significance, then, of the sin that we have committed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And in your book, I find it interesting the way you've gone about this.\u00a0 You have a whole section that basically answers the question, \u201cWho is Jesus?\u201d\u00a0 And then you have the following section that is entitled, \"The Work That Jesus Has Done.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are concepts, Bruce, that I think, within the Christian community, we're not certain of.\u00a0 There are a number of parents who are listening to our broadcast right now who, if they died, they don't know where they'd go.\u00a0 They don't know where they'd spend eternity.\u00a0 They aren't sure of their <em>own <\/em>eternal salvation.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo how can they introduce their son or daughter to a relationship with Christ and know with certainty, on the basis of God's Word, where they're going to spend eternity?\u00a0 How would you address a parent right now, then, who is listening, who isn't sure where they would spend eternity?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my.\u00a0 Well, the single most important thing is to understand the teaching of God's Word that this God Who made us, Who we rebelled against, Who has every right to condemn us, is the very same God Who has offered His Son to pay the penalty for our own sin through His death on the cross.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll that is required of us is not works, not some kind of payback for what God has done, but simply accepting, by faith, what God has done for us in Christ.\u00a0 Why didn't God make it so that we have to do something to earn our salvation?\u00a0 Because then we'd get the credit for it; wouldn't we?\u00a0 But in this way, it is not by works; therefore, no one can boast, and all the glory is given to God.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, my goodness, if there is a parent out there who doesn't know for himself or herself the future destiny that you have, the only hope we have as sinners is to put our trust in what Christ has done <em>for us<\/em> in paying the penalty for our sin.\u00a0 Put your faith in a God who has provided for you what you cannot do yourself, and that is give to you eternal life through the forgiveness of your sins in Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bruce, let me ask you what I think a lot of parents really wrestle with.\u00a0 A 5-year-old child comes and says, \"You know, I would like to pray to ask Jesus to come into my heart.\"\u00a0 Mom and Dad are thrilled when a 5-year-old child says that.\u00a0 Maybe they get together, and Mom talks, reads some Scripture, prays with the child, and then she walks away and goes, \"Okay, what just happened there?\u00a0 Did my child come to faith?\u00a0 How do I know?\u00a0 What do I do?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow would you coach a parent when a child comes home from Vacation Bible School and says, \"I prayed at Vacation Bible School to become a Christian today.\"\u00a0 Do we celebrate with the angels in heaven that there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents, or do we scratch our head and go, \"I wonder if that really took?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right, right.\u00a0 Well, again, that's a great question, Bob.\u00a0 I do think this is another area where you walk a fine line, and you can err on either of two sides.\u00a0 One is, by pooh-poohing the whole thing , \"Oh, a 5-year-old, this couldn't be the case,\" and really depriving\u2014if, in fact, this conversion has taken place\u2014depriving this child, who is now a believer in Christ, of reveling in forgiveness of sin and entering into eternal life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, you don't want to <em>presume<\/em> immediately that this, in fact, has happened.\u00a0 So you encourage and say, \"Honey, you know, if this was a genuine expression of your life, of your heart and longing, this is wonderful.\u00a0 I rejoice with you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cYou know, one of the evidences that this is a true belief of your heart is that it will continue.\u00a0 Let's just keep talking.\u201d\u00a0 And if it has, my goodness, it's just the beginning of this growth process as this child grows to understand better Who God is, and what their own sin is, and what Christ has done, and the glories of the riches of His Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Let me jump ahead now, 12 years later; and your five-year-old is now a 17-year-old.\u00a0 You did see back when they were five some indication that they had a tender heart for God, and they were studying the Word, and a lot going on; but now, at 17, there is no interest in the things of God.\u00a0 What kind of a conclusion do you draw, as a parent, about what's happened to your child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 Well, you pray.\u00a0 You pray a lot for those children, and you never give up praying.\u00a0 You never give up on the power of God to take a hold of that life again.\u00a0 If there is a longstanding rebellion, disinterest in the things of God, I do think that you, at some point, begin to wonder whether, as a child, this person really did truly come to Christ\u2014truly was converted\u2014because we know from Scripture that the evidence of the work of the Spirit in the life of the person is what helps us know that this person truly has been saved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOn the other hand, there can be these long periods of time; and then someone does come back, the Lord brings them back.\u00a0 I think we need to wait for that, pray for that, hope for that, and when that happens, I think sometimes it's hard to know for sure if the person was saved originally or if they came to Christ at this point.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 You know, there are two things going on here.\u00a0 One is the simple concept of not hindering your children to come into a relationship with Christ and of always making that invitation real clear.\u00a0 And frankly, the older I get, the more mysterious the new birth really is.\u00a0 Jesus compared it to the wind.\u00a0 You know, you don't see it, you feel it, you see its results; but it's still a bit of a mystery; you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot only, \u201cNot hindering a child\u201d but, secondly, \u201cnot giving them false hope\u201d that, because they made a decision when they were young, therefore, they really are a true follower of Christ.\u00a0 You know, I can't answer that question for every parent because it's a difficult one to call\u2014the question that Bob was asking you here.\u00a0 What we need, as parents, is we need a way to impart, number one, Who God is.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, who we are in light of Who God is, which means, thirdly, we need a Savior.\u00a0 We need to know God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.\u00a0 This book, <em>Big Truths for Little Hearts\u2014<\/em>I think there's going to be a lot of parents who benefit from this\u2014aunts and uncles who may have an objective of teaching their nieces and nephews about Who God is because they're the only believer in their family.\u00a0 In the process of teaching them, you're going to learn a ton, as an adult.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, Bruce, I want to thank you for not only being a great scholar but for taking those lofty concepts and bringing them down to\u2014well, as I like to say, \"putting the cookies on the lower shelf\" where most of us live, and where most of us can understand these great truths of Scripture, and begin to apply them in our own lives.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThanks for being with us and thanks for helping our listeners, too.\u00a0 I think a lot of our listeners are really going to benefit from what you've shared here.\u00a0 Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bruce:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Thank you, Dennis.\u00a0 Thank you, Bob.\u00a0 It\u2019s been a pleasure to be with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This has really been great.\u00a0 In fact, I can imagine a lot of our listeners are going to contact us to find out how they can get a copy of your book, <em>Big Truths for Young Hearts.<\/em>\u00a0 We have it in our <em>FamilyLifeToday <\/em>Resource Center; and you can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, for more information about how to get a copy of the book.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 You can also call us toll-free at 1-800-FL-TODAY for more information about how to get a copy of Bruce\u2019s book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd keep in mind we have a resource that we have developed here at FamilyLife that\u2019s designed to help you press the truth of the incarnation, Jesus\u2019 birth, into the hearts of young children.\u00a0 It\u2019s an interactive Nativity scene for families called <em>What God Wants for Christmas\u00ae,<\/em> and it has a special message for kids in box number seven.\u00a0 When they open the different boxes that have the different Nativity pieces in them, box number seven is a special box that has a special message for your child.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can find out more about the Nativity set, and about the poem that Barbara Rainey has written to go with <em>What God Wants for Christmas, <\/em>and how you can get the entire package when you go to FamilyLifeToday.com or when you call us toll-free at 1-800-358-6329, that\u2019s 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY\u201d.\u00a0 We will look forward to hearing from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow I want to wrap up this week by letting you know about a special matching-gift opportunity that has been presented to us here during the month of December.\u00a0 It\u2019s something we\u2019re pretty excited about; but I have to tell you our team has gotten together and we realize that if we\u2019re going to take full advantage of this matching gift opportunity, we really need to make sure all of our listeners know about it and as many of you as possible can respond.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe recognize for a lot of you things are tight financially.\u00a0 But we\u2019re coming to you because this is a pretty exciting opportunity for us, and we\u2019re hoping you can do whatever you can do to help us out.\u00a0 Every donation we receive during the month of December is going to be matched dollar for dollar.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat that means is that if you can send us $10, we\u2019ll get $10 from that matching-gift fund.\u00a0 If you send us $50, we\u2019ll get $50 from the matching-gift fund.\u00a0 Whatever you can do this month, your donation will be matched dollar for dollar.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that\u2019s why we\u2019re asking you right now to go to FamilyLifeToday.com and click the button that says, \u201cI Care\u201d, and make an end-of-the-year donation; or call \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1-800-FL-TODAY.\u00a0 Make your donation over the phone and know that whatever you give is being matched.\u00a0 Also know that we really appreciate your participation with us in this matching-gift opportunity that we have during the month of December.\u00a0 We hope to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to hear a challenging message from Priscilla Shirer.\u00a0 She was here not long ago and spoke to our staff the morning that she was here.\u00a0 All of us agreed it was a message we wanted to share with you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that comes up Monday.\u00a0 You\u2019ll need to have your Old Testament ready.\u00a0 I think we\u2019re in the book of Judges on Monday; so I hope you will \u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00ad\u00adtune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, along with our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you next week for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright \u00a9 2011 FamilyLife.\u00a0 All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/302415","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302415"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302415"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302415"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302415"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=302415"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=302415"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=302415"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}