{"id":302399,"date":"2011-11-10T13:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-11-10T18:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/its-only-marijuana-2\/"},"modified":"2011-11-10T13:00:00","modified_gmt":"2011-11-10T18:00:00","slug":"its-only-marijuana-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-only-marijuana-2\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cIt\u2019s Only Marijuana.&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>On the broadcast today, authors Melody Carlson and Kathy Pride share the emotional stories of their son&#8217;s battle with drugs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On the broadcast today, authors Melody Carlson and Kathy Pride share the emotional stories of their son&#8217;s battle with drugs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2011-11-10.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.76M","filesize_raw":"23865159","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2841],"tags":[2872,4466,4465],"podcast_series":[7555],"cwp_profile":[9104,9105],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302399","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-anger-and-rebellion","tag-addiction","tag-alcohol","tag-drugs","podcast_series-winning-the-drug-war-at-home","cwp_profile-kathy-pride","cwp_profile-melody-carlson","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302399\/its-only-marijuana-2","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302399\/its-only-marijuana-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"WB0uN7SyNW\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-only-marijuana-2\/\">\u201cIt\u2019s Only Marijuana.&#8221;<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/its-only-marijuana-2\/embed\/#?secret=WB0uN7SyNW\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;\u201cIt\u2019s Only Marijuana.&#8221;&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"WB0uN7SyNW\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very real.\u00a0 Any parent who has experienced drugs in their children's lives knows that it creates a chaos that is beyond description.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And we get letters from time to time from listeners who say, \"You know, you guys just sound like you have these perfect lives and nothing ever goes wrong in your family.\"\u00a0\u00a0 First of all, that's not true; but secondly, we want to get into the real issues that a lot of families are facing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, Bob, you know we have a daily feature on a number of radio broadcasts called <em>Real FamilyLife\u00ae.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is real <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 And we have a couple of guests with us who have entered into this valley.\u00a0 Melody Carlson and Kathy Pride join us on <em>FamilyLife Toda<\/em>y.\u00a0 Ladies, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thanks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Melody is an award-winning author of more than 100 books, primarily for children.\u00a0 In fact, you've been on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> way back before the flood.\u00a0 I mean, it was a number of years ago when we had you on; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Way back then they were primarily for children; and then I quit writing for children and started writing for teens\u2014mostly teen novels and novels for women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Wow; okay.\u00a0 She has two sons, and she and her husband live in Oregon.\u00a0 She is co-author of the book, <em>Lost Boys and the Moms Who Love Them.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And that is not fiction; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 That is <em>not<\/em> fiction.\u00a0 I try to avoid non-fiction, but sometimes you just have to write it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You wish this was fiction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 I wish it was.\u00a0 And then I wrote a similar story, which was fiction; but it was fictionalized real life.\u00a0 It's called <em>Crystal Lies.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Kathy Pride is a former nurse.\u00a0 It's always good to have a nurse on the broadcast\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014Just in case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Just in case.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 I'm an OB nurse.\u00a0 I don't know if that will work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 She's a writer and speaker, a parent educator, founder of Tapestry Ministry, and has four children, and the author of <em>Winning the Drug War at Home.<\/em>\u00a0 Kathy, this book, <em>Winning the Drug War at Home<\/em>, really begins with your own story.\u00a0 Did you have any idea that your child was using?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we were blindsided.\u00a0 I was very happy to live with my head in the sand for a while, too.\u00a0 \u201cI'll just duck my head in the sand and, you know, try to pretend and make believe this isn't happening and it will go away;\u201d but we didn't stay there too long.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now that you know, how old was your son when he started using and what was he using?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 He was using marijuana, and he was on the cusp of his 16th birthday.\u00a0 What we heard a lot of was, \"Oh, it's only marijuana.\"\u00a0 So I'm here to take a firm stand that people may have that perception, but it's a lie because \u201conly marijuana\u201d can ruin your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You heard that from him or you heard it from others?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Everybody, everybody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it's a gateway drug?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I mean it opens the gate to some terrible, terrible drugs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, and even if it's \u201cjust marijuana,\u201d it can be disruptive.\u00a0 It can be destructive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Mm-hm.\u00a0 It is addictive, and it is illegal!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What were the signs that you overlooked?\u00a0 I mean, there were warning signs along the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, there were; and at 15 going on 16, they were pretty easy to confuse with other traditional teen-warning signs.\u00a0 You know, what can I say?\u00a0 I remember his definition of his waist changed significantly\u2014and where he wore his pants.\u00a0 They went from what I think is the waist around the midsection of the torso to more like hip, low hipsters.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHis hair got a little bit longer, but he was still pretty communicative.\u00a0 He was keeping teen hours, you know, late to bed, late to rise; but that had not been a significant change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Melody, you are nodding your head like, \u201cThis sounds real familiar.\u201d\u00a0 How old was your son when he started using?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 He was probably about 17, according to him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Same thing\u2014marijuana?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 The same thing.\u00a0 His look had changed, though, before that; and we started a lot sooner than most people.\u00a0 My son, when he turned 14, just totally changed his appearance.\u00a0 He wasn't doing any drugs yet, and he assures us of that; but he was starting to hang with kids who were experimenting with odd things like aerosols.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFirst, we took him out of school and homeschooled him because we knew something was wrong and all the counselors at the school knew us.\u00a0 They said, \"Something is wrong.\u00a0 Get him away from these kids.\"\u00a0 It's a long story to say how he got from being a star athlete, a star student, clean cut\u2014to suddenly he's wearing his dad's jeans\u2014his dad's six-foot-six.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEveryone said, \"What happened to Luke?\"\u00a0 You know, we were with family and all that\u2014everyone was looking at him.\u00a0 There was this progression of changes. Then we moved to another town that was small and kind of a strong Christian community, and things sort of got in order for a while; but slowly, he started gravitating more towards the certain group of friends.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we, being Christians, sort of tried to embrace his friends and get to know them; but you couldn't get to know their parents because their parents were either\u2014I hate to say a lot of them were, you know, split families and weren't paying attention.\u00a0 So it was like your child is slipping between your fingers, although we lived in such a small town that people would report on him\u2014and so if he was in a certain place or\u2014you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we sort of kept track and then, finally, about when he was 17\u2014and I believe it was in the summertime\u2014I don't know about you, but summertime is a real key time for this to happen because kids are off\u2014at that age, they're off on their own more.\u00a0 Was that the case with your son?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Summertime with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I think it's harder for parents to observe it in the summertime because all of the habits and patterns have changed, and kids do stay out later.\u00a0 If it's an older kid, often they have a car\u2014and that was the case with our son.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, I'm just imagining a mom who is listening and going, \"Well, my son, my daughter, has started changing friends and appearance.\u00a0 Should I freak out?\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But sometimes all those little hints add up.\u00a0 I think, as parents, we tend to give our children the benefit of the doubt in some of these areas; and that's dangerous.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you see the peers of your children change; and when you begin to check out those peers' families, and you find out those families are not connected\u2014not engaged in their children's lives\u2014it's a recipe for disaster.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, it doesn't mean that your child is off into drugs.\u00a0 One thing I wanted both of you to comment on was you mentioned that you were a Christian family, and you had a Christian group in your community surrounding your family.\u00a0 I think the tendency for the Christian community is to think, \"Oh, if we're Christians, and we're really involved in church, and our kids have a faith, and they're being taught the Bible, this is going to happen to Kathy and Melody's families but certainly not ours.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat's not the case, though, is it, Kathy?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 It's not the case.\u00a0 Although, I have to share with your listeners that at the time that we went through this, I was not a Christian; and it was this experience that brought me to Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, you know, we were considered the All-American family, upstanding, you know, married for a long time, college sweethearts, professionals, educated, involved in our kids' lives.\u00a0 My husband coached soccer; he coached baseball; star athlete; same thing.\u00a0 Our son was a peer mediator in middle school\u2014so here he was\u2014involved in conflict resolution.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd a great student; and his peer group, initially, didn't change.\u00a0 He was hanging with one particular friend, neighbors were right across the street, another well-educated physician couple\u2014Mom, a doctor; Dad, a college professor\u2014and so this was <em>not<\/em> a change.\u00a0 That was kind of difficult.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe overheard him talking about, \"Oh, we got high.\u00a0 We smoked.\"\u00a0 We confronted him with that the next morning.\u00a0 We had come back from a family vacation; and that opened the discussion, which soon became a confrontation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did he admit using?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 He did; he did.\u00a0 To him, it was no big deal.\u00a0 \"Oh, it's only pot.\u00a0 Everybody's doing it,\" which, by the way, is also a lie.\u00a0 The statistics show that <em>not <\/em>everybody is doing it; but it is a non-denominational, non-discriminatory predator.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Melody, did your son deny using at the point you confronted him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 We caught him.\u00a0 He was doing it on our property.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, the reason I ask that is usually lies and deceit\u2014the most incredible scheming\u2014is usually attached to drug use. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 If we hadn't caught him, of course, he would have denied it.\u00a0 I think we had accused him or asked him, and we'd found various things.\u00a0 Once\u2014my husband is a really good sleuth because we knew something was up.\u00a0 He would see something suspicious; and he would just do a whole complete room check, which seems a little intrusive.\u00a0 So, occasionally, he would find something suspicious.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLike, one time he found a pipe and, of course, Luke told us it was this friend's, who had stuck it in his backpack when they were\u2014you know, this whole convoluted story.\u00a0 Well, that was with marijuana.\u00a0 When things got more serious later on, and meth was involved, the lies upon lies upon lies\u2014it would blow your mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I just want to make sure that when you said it seems a little intrusive, I want to make sure our listeners understand\u2014intrusive is really good as you raise teenagers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy &amp; Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is good.\u00a0 It is good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Those parents who think, \"Well, I want to give my children some space and some privacy,\"\u2014we do want to be respectful of them and give them some space; but when we are concerned about what's going on in their lives, forget it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 And drugs are intrusive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, so I think we have the right to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They really are.\u00a0 One of the things that goes through a parent's heart and mind is blame.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, definitely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I've talked to parents; and they feel like <em>colossal<\/em> failures, and especially Christian parents who have really stuck to the Book.\u00a0 They've maybe homeschooled, they've raised their children to memorize Scripture, and the blame is just\u2014it's a weight.\u00a0 It's a heavy weight; isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 It absolutely is, and we had our children a little earlier than a lot of our friends.\u00a0 So we were\u2014in the community that I lived in\u2014and I worked for a Christian publishing company, we had the oldest children.\u00a0 Other people who had younger children were sort of looking at us like, \"Oh, man, what are you guys doing wrong?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou couldn't hide this in this community.\u00a0 I didn't really want to hide it because I kind of wanted the community's help, but the community wasn't really ready for this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so the fact is, my husband and I were Young Life counselors.\u00a0 We both were Christians before we got married.\u00a0 We did everything just as right as anybody can possibly do it; and we both came from slightly dysfunctional families, where it wasn't done like that.\u00a0 So we thought when we had children, \u201cWe're insulated.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I mean, you've written all kinds of children's books.\u00a0 You had to have taught your children all kinds of morals, spiritual stories\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 They memorized Scripture.\u00a0 They went to a Christian school for a while.\u00a0 They both did home school for a while.\u00a0 I was the president of PTA.\u00a0 I was always the room mother.\u00a0 I knew all their teachers.\u00a0 Most of their teachers, even when they were in public school, were Christians.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, this is a hard question to ask; but it sounds like you're saying, as parents, \u201cThere is really nothing you can do.\u00a0 If this is going to happen, it's going to happen.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 I sort of think that's true because now, living through this and\u00a0 ten years later, I have seen so many other parents go through exactly the same thing.\u00a0 They were parents who said, \"This is not going to happen to me.\" I would just have to bite my tongue.\u00a0 But, no, I don't know that there is anything you can do.\u00a0 Your kids have a will of their own.\u00a0 It's just like, \u201cWe will do what we will do.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's really scary; isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 It's very scary; but, in a way, once\u2014you know, it's taken me\u2014I've been through this for many years.\u00a0 You get to that point where you just have to give it all to God because there is nothing\u2014it's out of your control.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think some parents experience pride.\u00a0 I hate to use your last name there, Kathy; but we think, \u201cWe're going to do it better.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Sure we do, and then we come to hoping that we do, and then we come to realizing that that free will does enter in.\u00a0 You know, in terms of the lies, he didn't deny, initially, that he was using; but the lies came in very quickly after that.\u00a0 As soon as we had confronted him,\u2014then the excuses, then the manipulation, then the lies.\u00a0 He would park his car in the church parking lot where his NA meetings were\u2014that he was supposed to attend and have the cell phone that was presumably for being in touch with us\u2014and he'd make plans to get together with his buddies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt's so hard.\u00a0 You know, in retrospect, we look back and say, \"What could we have done differently, and did we manage this correctly?\"\u00a0 The blame does come in, and we felt a lot of blame and condemnation from other people in our community.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was very open about this because I knew that drugs were a problem in our community, and I wanted to extend a hand of support to other people.\u00a0 We went to counseling.\u00a0 The counselor said, \"I can rattle off ten names right now, families just like yours.\u00a0 I'm going to talk to those parents and see if maybe you can start a support group and be in unison in parenting.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNot a single other family wanted to engage in that conversation; and yet, they were finger-pointing when we took a firm, hard line and we sent Matt to rehab twice for \"only marijuana use.\"\u00a0\u00a0 Three hundred thousand individuals enter rehab each year for treatment of marijuana abuse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 This slices across all economic groups.\u00a0 I mean, Bob, you'll remember we had a pastor, a seminary president, who told about his daughter taking black tar heroin.\u00a0 I'll never forget her statement.\u00a0 In fact, there are certain statements that have been made here on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> that are just incredibly profound.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was in the interview with her dad.\u00a0 She was clean, and she made a statement about the deceit.\u00a0 She said, \"My ability to deceive was greater than my parents' ability to know the truth.\"\u00a0 You think about when you were a child\u2014we played that game\u2014maybe not with drugs\u2014but we deceived our parents because, \u201cWe were smarter than they were.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And because they trusted us, and we had that in our favor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's exactly right.\u00a0 So parents are set up at this point to be taken advantage of by their children.\u00a0 Now, you both mentioned that your sons went to rehab.\u00a0 That's an expensive form of treatment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And it's also real public.\u00a0 Was that a hard decision for either of you to make?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not at all for us because, by then, we were just praying, and pushing, and hoping he would go to rehab.\u00a0 The first time he went to rehab\u2014he agreed to\u2014I\u00a0 think we sort of pushed him into it; but he agreed to it, and didn't last more than a few days.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 The behavior that typifies what's taking place before you put him in rehab is usually so off the wall, so chaotic\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 No other choice.\u00a0 Is that what you're saying?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 You're desperate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Kathy, what about you with your rehab experience?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 The first time he went, he came back and there were minimal to moderate changes in his behavior; but they went down the tubes pretty quickly as he reverted to friends who weren't the dregs\u2014you know, he hadn't gotten into the bad crowd.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut we did an intervention with the second time because of the lying and the deceit, and the anger and the belligerence, and the hostility, and just the explosiveness of not knowing what to expect; and there were two younger children in the family.\u00a0 They got shafted a lot.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was just a push-off to the side, dropping them off at child care as I would have to go to probation meeting, guidance counselor, a problem at the school, trying to get him out of bed in the morning so that that day of attendance would count.\u00a0 I, by the way, was a perfect enabler for a long period of time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, the parent is set up to be an enabler.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Completely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I mean, they've got to believe.\u00a0 They've got to love their child.\u00a0 They have to expect the best.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 But, you know, unfortunately, prior to becoming a Christian, that grace was absent from my approach.\u00a0 I was pretty condemning.\u00a0 I was sarcastic.\u00a0 I was not supportive.\u00a0 I just was, \"Come on, you've got to get out of bed.\"\u00a0 I was a yeller.\u00a0 I was a screamer.\u00a0 I was pretty angry, and that came through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask both of you, \u201cHow long was the period at your house from first use to clean with your son?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, you know, I'd love to say that he's totally clean now, but I can't absolutely say that\u2014\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>But you wonder, mm-h?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2014because he's a college senior, and the things that have improved are communication.\u00a0 The grace is in that conversation.\u00a0 You know, I knew all about, \u201cLove is patient, love is kind,\u201d but it did not enter into my conversation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But you had a six-year\u2014still have a six-year period where this is, \u201cthe elephant in the home.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kathy:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, but we know the elephant's there because now we have, \"Love is patient, love is kind,\" was the point of that.\u00a0 I can have that conversation; and I can say to him, \"You know, how come you got a D+ in that class, and you're not getting credit for it?\u00a0 How come you didn't follow through on the paperwork for your placement?\u00a0 I suspect you are making some really bad choices.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Melody, how about for you?\u00a0 Was it years of this being the dominating feature in your family?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right, and he wasn't in the home the whole time off and on; and he's been off and on clean.\u00a0 After that first time of him walking out of rehab, then he did a rehab where he got clean\u2014wanted to stay clean\u2014and was doing pretty well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSomebody mentioned the NA meetings\u2014I think it was you, Kathy\u2014and that was part of the recovery program.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That's Narcotics Anonymous; right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Melody:<\/strong>\u00a0 Narcotics Anonymous, and he actually\u2014they sometimes get hooked back into drugs at the NA meetings because everyone is talking about it and talking about, you know, \"When I was high, and when I did this.\"\u00a0\u00a0 For a drug addict to just hear that kind of language, it just triggers that thing inside of him that wants to use again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen, of course, he's sitting in a room with people who have all kinds of connections, brand-new friends, and that was how he got back into drugs again was through NA.\u00a0 I'm not trying to dis- on NA because I'm sure that it works for some people, but I have heard that it's not the healthiest form of recovery.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Programs are like parents and families.\u00a0 They are not going to turn your child into a robot and fix them.\u00a0 They all provide a prescribed process to go through where they confront the child with\u2014the behavior, with the choices, with the foolishness\u2014and it's up to the child to begin to make the right choices.\u00a0 We can't change the behavior of our children.\u00a0 It takes God to work in that child's heart to change their behavior.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, as parents, there are three things I want you to get out of today's program\u2014number one, \u201cThis can happen to you.\u201d\u00a0 I don't care what you do\u2014how perfect you've been in raising your children.\u00a0 Your children are targets, and there is an Enemy of your children's souls.\u00a0 He may go after them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSecondly, \u201cStay connected to your child.\u201d\u00a0 Ask questions.\u00a0 Observe, observe, observe; and if something begins to occur, it pays off to be suspicious.\u00a0 Do some inspection.\u00a0 Do some snooping around.\u00a0 Ask some questions.\u00a0 Find out what's taking place in your child's life; and, if need be, confront.\u00a0 Ask the hard questions; and then if there's been deceit and lies, don't trust that you're getting the right answer because, more than likely, you aren't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know this is hard stuff; but the reality is, in this culture, this is one of the real traps that is snaring Christian youth.\u00a0 As Kathy said, she was raising children from a non-Christian home at the time.\u00a0 I'm telling you, they're all in the sights of the Enemy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, and there are a lot of reasons that, as parents, we ought to be praying regularly for our children\u2014but this is one of those things\u2014because there's a lot we can't do\u2014but that's one of the things we can be doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, and I think, Bob, I'm glad you mentioned that because, as parents, we need to remain spiritually receptive to what God may be saying and helping us because He will give you some clues as to what's taking place.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I think it helps for us to have the counsel that you ladies have shared today because you\u2019ve experienced this.\u00a0 You can help us as parents be alert to the kinds of things we need to be alert to.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tKathy, you\u2019ve written a book called <em>Winning the Drug War at Home; <\/em>and we\u2019ve got copies of that book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> Resource Center.\u00a0 I want to encourage our listeners to go online at FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about how to get a copy of Kathy\u2019s book, <em>Winning the Drug War at Home.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 You can order a copy of the book from us online, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That\u2019s \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 When you get in touch with us, we\u2019ll get a copy of Kathy\u2019s book sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me mention, while we\u2019re on the subject of parenting our teenagers and some of the dangers that are facing them, Dennis, you wrote a book a number of years ago for fathers of teenage daughters called <em>Interviewing Your Daughter\u2019s Date;<\/em> and it was well-received.\u00a0 But we also got feedback from folks saying, \u201cHow about those of us who have teenage sons?\u00a0 How do we help protect our sons from girls who have become increasingly aggressive, especially in the area of sexuality?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis is working right now on a new book on that subject.\u00a0 We\u2019d love to hear from you.\u00a0 If you\u2019re the parent of a junior high- or senior high-age son and you\u2019ve had an experience where your son has been pressured or where you\u2019ve had to step in and intervene because girls are coming after your boys, we\u2019d love to have you go to FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click on the link there where it says, \u201cAggressive Girls,\u201d and share your story with us so we can share it with others as a part of this book.\u00a0 Again the website, FamilyLifeToday.com; and just click on the link where it says, \u201cAggressive Girls.\u201d\u00a0 We do hope to hear from you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFinally, a quick word of thanks to those of you who help support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 In this season, when we\u2019re preparing for Thanksgiving, we want to say that we really are grateful for your partnership with us here in the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis week, we\u2019d love to send you as a thank-you gift a copy of Barbara Rainey\u2019s devotional guide for families called <em>Growing Together in Gratitude. <\/em>This is the first devotional from her <em>Growing Together<\/em> series\u2014seven short stories that you could read to the family during family devotions or at the dinner hour\u2014all of them designed to promote the idea of being grateful in our hearts and in our children\u2019s hearts as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlong with the book, we\u2019ll send you a Thanksgiving prayer card.\u00a0 Again, these resources are our way of saying, \u201cThank you,\u201d for your support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 If you make your donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com, there\u2019s a button that says, \u201cI Care.\u201d\u00a0 Just click that button, fill out the information, and we\u2019ll send you a copy of Barbara\u2019s devotional book and the prayer card.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you call 1-800-FLTODAY to make a donation, make sure that you mention that you\u2019d like to receive Barbara\u2019s book; and we\u2019ll be happy to send it to you as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to encourage you to be back with us again tomorrow when we\u2019re going to talk more with Kathy Pride and with Melody Carlson about the issue of drugs and teenagers and what we can do as parents.\u00a0 We\u2019ll have that conversation tomorrow.\u00a0 I hope you can join us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back next time for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts to you.\u00a0 However, there is a cost to produce them for our website.\u00a0 If you\u2019ve benefited from the broadcast transcripts, would you consider <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/donate\">donating today<\/a> to help defray the costs?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCopyright \u00a9 2011 FamilyLife.\u00a0 All rights reserved.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/\">www.FamilyLife.com<\/a>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\t1\n\t\t\t\t<\/p>","theme_header_position":"","post_header_is_sticky":"","is_header_overlay":""},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast\/302399","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/podcast"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/91"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=302399"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/294104"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=302399"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=302399"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=302399"},{"taxonomy":"podcast_series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/podcast_series?post=302399"},{"taxonomy":"cwp_profile","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/cwp_profile?post=302399"},{"taxonomy":"series","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/series?post=302399"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}