{"id":302364,"date":"2011-09-20T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-20T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/being-content-with-less\/"},"modified":"2011-09-20T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2011-09-20T15:00:00","slug":"being-content-with-less","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/being-content-with-less\/","title":{"rendered":"Being Content With Less"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Contentment can be fleeting, especially in a culture where products are outdated almost as soon as they&#8217;re released.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2011-09-20.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"22.09M","filesize_raw":"23161735","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2851],"tags":[4925,4525,4853],"podcast_series":[7825],"cwp_profile":[3125],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302364","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-finances","tag-budgets","tag-finances","tag-money","podcast_series-living-with-less-so-your-family-has-more","cwp_profile-jill-savage","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302364\/being-content-with-less","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302364\/being-content-with-less","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"zczguqTGQP\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/being-content-with-less\/\">Being Content With Less<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/being-content-with-less\/embed\/#?secret=zczguqTGQP\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Being Content With Less&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"zczguqTGQP\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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store.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Imagine that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 The interesting thing is he is now in a season of living with less and he\u2019s okay buying $20 jeans instead of $60 jeans now that he\u2019s paying for it himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today\u00ae<\/em> for Tuesday, September 20<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of <em>FamilyLife\u00ae<\/em>, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to talk today about things we can do with our children to make them more money smart.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You know, back last year I had some friends who gave me a very nice gift.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They did.\u00a0 I know!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 They\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was witness to that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were there and I was very humbled and appreciative when these friends got me an iPad.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 That is a nice gift.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Isn\u2019t that a nice gift?\u00a0 I really liked it.\u00a0 I could use it.\u00a0 It was a nice tool.\u00a0 I was glad to have it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know exactly where you\u2019re going, too.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u2026until\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Until the iPad 2 came out!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 The announcement about the iPad2.\u00a0 Then all of a sudden\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What a cheesy gift!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This lousy old iPad can barely do anything, you know!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe live in a culture today where contentment is pretty fleeting.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh man.\u00a0 It is elusive and we have a guest with us who can speak to this directly because she has written a book called <em>Living with Less So Your Family Has More<\/em>.\u00a0 Jill Savage joins us again on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Jill, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Jill is the founder and CEO of Hearts at Home.\u00a0 She is the mom of five children, married to her husband Mark, who is a former pastor.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYour daughter had to make a decision early on around living with less so her family would have more.\u00a0 Tell us about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong> Well, actually the decision ended up being made for her.\u00a0 The company that she was working for, she was well paid.\u00a0 She had an hour commute and she loved her job.\u00a0 But, because of the economy, they downsized and she lost her job.\u00a0 So she found something closer to home that was three miles from home, versus a one hour commute.\u00a0 It was not full time.\u00a0 It was part time so less money.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, it was like the third week of the job, her new job, and she said their biggest fear was living without that income.\u00a0 But I talked to her one afternoon and she said, \u201cMom, my laundry is done for the first time!\u00a0 All of my laundry is done.\u00a0 I\u2019ve had lunch with two friends.\u00a0 I am amazed at how much more I have gained with this new job!\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow she wasn\u2019t talking about money she was talking about what she had gained emotionally.\u00a0 She had experienced far less stress. And she had experienced exactly what we talk about, the \u201cmore\u201d that you can gain when you choose to live with less.\u00a0 She was experiencing those \u201cmores.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you hear a story like that and you go, \u201cOkay, well, is she experiencing any stress now with how we are going to pay the bills?\u201d\u00a0 Because it\u2019s one thing to say, \u201cOkay, we\u2019ve got to cut back on eating out.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s another thing to say, \u201cThe electric bill is due this month and we don\u2019t have money in the checking account for the electric bill.\u201d\u00a0 You\u2019ve lived there, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Definitely.\u00a0 They had to make some major changes.\u00a0 When you choose to live with less or when you find yourself living with less by circumstance, which in the economy that we have been experiencing, unfortunately a lot of people have found themselves.\u00a0 But you do have to make some decisions.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt meant no Starbucks trips like what they both, she and her husband love, Starbucks.\u00a0 It meant cutting back on eating out.\u00a0 It meant making some different decisions so that they still could pay that electric bill.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You work with a lot of young moms because of your work with Hearts at Home and training young moms to make right choices.\u00a0 Are you finding that young families today are willing to make a courageous choice to not only step down and live with less but then not pull out the plastic, the credit card, or take out the loan, and still continue their lifestyle.\u00a0 I\u2019m just seeing some of the young couples that I\u2019ve observed they want the concept of living with less\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Without the sacrifice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bingo!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, I would agree.\u00a0 And that\u2019s why we felt like this message is so important to get out.\u00a0 That\u2019s why we\u2019ve been speaking on it.\u00a0 That\u2019s why we wrote on the concept because you have to understand that, in order to live with less, it is a countercultural decision and it requires sacrifice on your part.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt requires us to learn delayed gratification.\u00a0 That we have to oftentimes let go of the things that we really want to have in order to honestly experience the kind of relationships we long to have.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So the mom who\u2019s listening who goes, \u201cListen, I can live simply.\u00a0 I\u2019m okay with that and I don\u2019t have a whole lot of strong desires and I\u2019m fine with cutting out the Starbucks.\u00a0 But I\u2019ve got kids and I want good things for my kids.\u00a0 I do not want to be sending my kids to school in second hand stuff.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want to be sending them off and saying \u2018You can\u2019t go here because we can\u2019t afford it.\u2019\u00a0 I want my kids to experience what other kids get to experience.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think a certain level of that is healthy.\u00a0 We certainly want that.\u00a0 I think at the same time we can also grow up entitled kids.\u00a0 If they don\u2019t learn to work for themselves then we\u2019re really doing them a disservice.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s also okay for us to tell our kids \u201cno.\u201d\u00a0 Right now our son is almost fifteen.\u00a0 He does not have a cell phone.\u00a0 Now he has informed us that he is the only ninth grader in his school who does not have a cell phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Probably the only ninth grader on the planet.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 He\u2019s probably darn close, honestly!\u00a0 This may not be a time where he\u2019s exaggerating too much.\u00a0 I mean, it is hard to stand firm.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn our family, our kids get cell phones when they start driving and that\u2019s gotten harder and harder as cell phones have gotten younger and younger, culturally.\u00a0 Very difficult.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that is a \u201cno\u201d that I don\u2019t think is going to hurt him at all.\u00a0 We have explained to him why.\u00a0 It is very much a financial decision for us.\u00a0 It also is a parenting decision and, yes there are times that it is hard, but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s going to hurt him at all to do without.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, and here\u2019s where moms, if they\u2019re not careful, can really drive their husbands and really cause a sense of shame and feeling like \u201cI\u2019m just not winning as a provider for my family.\u201d\u00a0 When they\u2019re not willing to no longer buy the Gap clothing for kids, no longer having their kids in the private school.\u00a0 Instead they have to put their kids in a public school.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe husband who is hearing all this feels the pressure of his wife and the mother of these children, who has to have her children in these certain status circles of tennis lessons, piano lessons.\u00a0 On and on it goes.\u00a0 I mean the cultural pressure, and we\u2019ve talked about it, is enormous here.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it\u2019s a wise young woman, a wise mom, who steps back and says, \u201cAm I living my life out through my kids, trying to get my value and my identity by virtue of what they wear, where they go, what they do, the talents they have?\u00a0 Or am I a team player with my husband?\u201d\u00a0 You know, children are incredibly flexible.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They don\u2019t have to have all the bells and whistles.\u00a0 They\u2019re far more flexible, I think, and so I think they\u2019re more willing to settle for less than we are as the parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 They\u2019ll put up a good fight, though.\u00a0 They\u2019ll put up a good fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, especially the teenagers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes, they will!\u00a0 They will!\u00a0 I remember, and every kid is different.\u00a0 Child number one, no problem wearing second hand clothes.\u00a0 No problem with that.\u00a0 Child number two?\u00a0 He had a completely different idea of what he wanted to wear.\u00a0 So you know what?\u00a0 When he turned sixteen he got a job at that particular clothing store.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Imagine that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 that he enjoyed buying from of which was not in our budget!\u00a0 I don\u2019t know that he ever brought much home from that job other than, you know, he would just exchange his paycheck for clothing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he learned, he learned, if you want that\u2026\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow the interesting thing is he is now in a season of living with less in his life.\u00a0 It\u2019s interesting.\u00a0 He has a different style and a different sense of fashion and he\u2019s okay buying $20 jeans instead of $60 jeans now that he\u2019s paying for it himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, you\u2019re raising an important issue here.\u00a0 It\u2019s not merely the choice we\u2019re making and how they impact us.\u00a0 It\u2019s how they impact our kids and what we\u2019re training them to expect as they move into adulthood.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What values they\u2019re going to embrace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Exactly!\u00a0 Back to this entitlement culture.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to tell you something.\u00a0 This is a real deal because you sensed it after the recession.\u00a0 There is a new normal.\u00a0 There is a new normal and you\u2019d better be training your children to live in the new normal, rather than expecting to be able to be where you were when you were twenty-five, twenty-eight, thirty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think the new normal is healthier.\u00a0 I think the new normal, from a parenting perspective, I think we were on the road to even more entitlement than before we experienced the recession.\u00a0 I really don\u2019t think it\u2019s a bad thing for us to back off and to teach our kids about frugality, about sacrifice, about learning to work hard for the things that you want.\u00a0 About it being okay to delay some of the things you want until you save the money to have it. In fact, that is one of those parenting lessons that we kind of learned the hard way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInitially, with our kids, when our older kids were teenagers, if they wanted something but it was going to take them two or three months, we\u2019d loan them some money.\u00a0 We realized, \u201cYou know what, this isn\u2019t good\u201d because they think that\u2019s what you do when you want something.\u00a0 With every kid you get a little wiser.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, by the time we got to number three, we stopped that.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t matter is they were going to have it in a week.\u00a0 We stopped it and we said, \u201cNo.\u00a0 When you have the cash in your hand, you can go make that purchase but we will not front it to you because, you know what?\u00a0\u00a0 In adult life, nobody fronts you money.\u00a0 Or, if they do, it\u2019s going to cost you a pretty penny.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve told this story, I think, before on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 There was a season in our life, Jill, where we were in the living with less, not by own choosing.\u00a0 We had moved twice.\u00a0 We owned real estate in two towns and were paying rent in a third.\u00a0 So, every bit of available cash was gone.\u00a0 During that season, there would be things that would come up that, for years, we had just, \u201cyeah, we ought to go get one of those.\u201d\u00a0 And we\u2019d just go do it.\u00a0 Well, now we couldn\u2019t.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had this piece of paper that we kept in a drawer by the stove.\u00a0 It was our \u201cwhen we have money again, here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to get next.\u201d\u00a0 We just started writing these things down and here was the interesting thing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis went on for about six or eight months that we were in this situation.\u00a0 We would write things down on the list.\u00a0 Mary Ann would say something to me about, \u201cYou know, we really need this\u201d and I\u2019d go \u201cwrite it down.\u201d\u00a0 Every so often we\u2019d get the list out and I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, if we had the money today, what would be number one.\u201d\u00a0 And she\u2019d say, \u201cDefinitely, this right here would be number one.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen two weeks later I\u2019d say, \u201cGet out the list and I\u2019d say \u2018if we had the money today, what would be number one?\u201d and she\u2019s say, \u201cprobably this and it was something else.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019d go, \u201cWhat about what was number one last time?\u201d\u00a0 She\u2019d go, \u201cYou know, we don\u2019t really need that\u201d and the light switch went on for me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, how many things do we buy because we can and we want that two weeks later, we go, \u201cI really didn\u2019t need that.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t really do what I thought it was going to do.\u201d\u00a0 And, all of a sudden, I thought, you really need to\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, you\u2019ve got a little formula that you encourage people to go through when they\u2019re confronted with one of these \u201cwe need to go do that, we need to go buy this, I need to get it\u201d\u2026\u00a0 Right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 It is a PLAN and that is to Prepare, to Listen, to Adjust, and then to Navigate.\u00a0 What we talk about there is to prepare our thinking, to be thinking ahead, about purchases that we need to make, to discuss them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen to listen to each other because often times we have different perspectives.\u00a0 My husband and I have completely different perspectives about cable television.\u00a0 I could live completely without it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Completely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Never happen in our marriage!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But what about the games?\u00a0 The games don\u2019t come on regular TV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard it all.\u00a0 And then the \u201cA\u201d is adjust.\u00a0 So we adjust in what we need to do.\u00a0 Sometimes that means I have to adjust a little bit more.\u00a0 Sometimes he has to adjust.\u00a0 But we adjust to the reality of what we can afford.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then we navigate it.\u00a0 We begin to navigate what that looks like.\u00a0 I think that that makes such a difference, when we can walk through those four steps to help us make wise money decisions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 For us, it was simply the discipline of not responding to the impulse.\u00a0 That was huge because we\u2019d lived in one of those situations where, it\u2019s not like we were wealthy and could buy everything we wanted, but most of the time if we saw something we wanted or needed, we\u2019d go, \u201cI can probably afford that\u201d and we\u2019d do it.\u00a0 Now, when we couldn\u2019t and we had to wait, we began to see that just buying what you want when you can isn\u2019t always a good idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What you\u2019re talking about there is contentment.\u00a0 It\u2019s difficult to grab contentment and to grasp it and to hold on tight to it.\u00a0 In fact, one of the passages of scripture that, to me, is a bit of a paradox and it\u2019s found in 1 Timothy, chapter 6.\u00a0 Just listen to what this says.\u00a0 It says, \u201cNow, there is great gain in godliness with contentment.\u201d\u00a0 Now, think about that for a moment.\u00a0 It could have just said there is great gain in being like God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 In godliness, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 In godliness.\u00a0 But it says there is great gain when godliness is accompanied by being content.\u00a0 Now what\u2019s the scripture after there?\u00a0 What\u2019s God trying to say to us?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, our hearts are constantly prone to wander, constantly prone to create idols that receive our affection, our attention.\u00a0 We think about them all the time.\u00a0 We want it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong> We want what we want when we want it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We want to consume it.\u00a0 I think what God is trying to wean us from is from our eyes, what we see, and the lust of our hearts, what we want.\u00a0 He\u2019s trying to say, \u201cYou know what?\u201d\u00a0 The title of this book <em>Living with Less so Your Family Has More<\/em> is a great exhortation for any twenty-first century family today because, in this nation, we all have too much.\u00a0 I\u2019m convinced we have way too much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think of what the apostle Paul says in Philippians, chapter 4, where he says, \u201cI\u2019ve been in circumstances where I have had plenty and I\u2019ve been in circumstances where I have had want.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been hungry and I\u2019ve been well-fed.\u201d\u00a0 And he says, \u201cI have learned the secret of that contentment\u201d and that\u2019s where he says \u201cI can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see that Philippians 4:13 verse on T-shirts and think it\u2019s about an athletic achievement or it\u2019s about victory in certain areas.\u00a0 It\u2019s really tied to the idea of \u201cI can be content, no matter what\u201d because Christ is the source of my contentment, not stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 As we were just talking about this and kind of going through steps, one of the things that Mark and I have found to be so helpful in our living with less journey is asking ourselves the question \u201cDo we really need this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were faced with this.\u00a0 We\u2019ve been through a more recent living with less journey where we made some live decisions that resulted in quite a, took quite a hit in our income.\u00a0 Two weeks after we made that decision we lost the transmission in our main vehicle, our mini-van.\u00a0 You know, every family needs a mini-van.\u00a0 The transmission went out in our mini-van.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And those aren\u2019t nineteen ninety-five down at the local auto parts store, those transmissions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, not at all.\u00a0 So, at first, immediately Mark says, \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to go get a car.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got to figure something out.\u201d\u00a0 Well, we had just taken a seventy-five percent decrease in our income.\u00a0 So we had some emergency fund over here but we didn\u2019t want to use that up because we were probably going to need that for some living experiences while we were making this transition.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember the day that we sat out on our front porch sorting this out and I remember saying, \u201cI think we could do it with one car.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cThere\u2019s no way!\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI think we could do it with one car.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we went back and forth, you know, looking at the pros and the cons of that and, honestly, there really wasn\u2019t a decision to be made.\u00a0 We did not have the money to replace this vehicle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were going to have to do it with one car!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 We were!\u00a0 But it took us a while to get there and finally we determined, \u201cI think we have to do that.\u201d\u00a0 We did one car for nine months.\u00a0 Now that\u2019s with two teenagers at home still and two very active people.\u00a0 We did it with one vehicle.\u00a0 And you know what?\u00a0 It was interesting.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe actually took a road trip. By the way, the only other vehicle we had was my husband\u2019s truck that was a partial extended cab.\u00a0 Not the kind that has four doors but the kind that you just squeeze in the back and it\u2019s not real comfortable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 There\u2019s no leg room back that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 And the back is sitting straight up.\u00a0 So it wasn\u2019t comfortable.\u00a0 And we had to make a trip.\u00a0 We had to make a six hour trip one day with that vehicle and our two teenagers sat in the back.\u00a0 No DVD player for them to have their little headphones on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 We had the most incredible conversation with our two teenage boys because they were a captive audience.\u00a0 They were right behind us.\u00a0 We totally enjoyed that.\u00a0 Even in that living with less moment we experienced a \u201cmore\u201d that was honestly a surprise.\u00a0 That\u2019s what we really found.\u00a0 That was a circumstance we found ourselves in.\u00a0 Yes, would we have liked to have a more comfortable vehicle?\u00a0 But we didn\u2019t.\u00a0 Yet there were still some benefits to that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I want to be back and finish the passage I quoted earlier from 1 Timothy 6, verse 6.\u00a0 Just listen to what it admonishes us to do.\u00a0 \u201cNow there is great gain in godliness with contentment for we brought nothing into the world and we cannot take anything out of the world.\u00a0 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.\u00a0 For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evils.\u00a0 It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pangs.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEverybody listening to me right now can find someone who\u2019s richer than they are.\u00a0 It\u2019s just a matter of perspective, okay.\u00a0 You can find somebody who\u2019s got more money than you and you can go over to their house and you can hang out for a while and you can begin to think, \u201cBoy, I\u2019d love one of those.\u00a0 And, man, wouldn\u2019t it be fun to have a closet like that?\u201d\u00a0 And then you become consumed thinking about how can we achieve it, get it, possess it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019m seeing is many of the people who are rich that I know are trying to move toward simplicity.\u00a0 They are trying to unplug the complexity that riches have brought them and move towards simplicity so that their lives are less cluttered and they don\u2019t have the distractions that come with having abundance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve just been sitting here thinking, \u201cOkay, who\u2019s going to pick up Mark and Jill\u2019s book and say, \u201cboy, we need to read this?\u201d\u00a0 Well, it\u2019s probably going to be those people who are, because of circumstances, living with less.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Maybe not!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it may be a whole other audience of people who are saying, \u201cYou know, the complexity of life like you\u2019re describing it.\u00a0 I\u2019m ready to simplify and to take some steps to move us in that direction.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of the book <em>Living With Less So Your Family Has More<\/em> in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\u00a0 Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about how to get a copy of the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com or call toll free at 1-800-FLToday, 800, \u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word Today.\u00a0 Ask about Mark and Jill Savage\u2019s book <em>Living With Less So Your Family Has More<\/em> and our team will make arrangements to get a copy of the book sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to add here, too, we are grateful for those of you who, in the midst of putting your family finances together, have included some money for giving to ministries like <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 We are listener supported.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe production and syndication costs associated with this program are born by listeners who, like you, will, from time to time, make a donation to help support the ministry.\u00a0 Or, I know some of you are Legacy partners and you make a donation each month and we do appreciate your financial support of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are able to make a donation to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this month, we\u2019d like to send you, as a thank you gift, Dennis Rainey\u2019s new book.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>Stepping Up, a Call to Courageous Manhood.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have a friend of mine who had just finished reading the book.\u00a0 He was telling me recently about how powerful a book it is.\u00a0 In fact, he\u2019s hoping we can get some men together at our church and go through the book together.\u00a0 I suggested to him that we ought to wait until the movie <em>Courageous<\/em> comes out next week.\u00a0 Go see the film and then use that as a springboard to getting together and going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re interested in a copy of the book <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, when you make a donation to FamilyLife this month, simply request it.\u00a0 If you donate online, type the word \u201cSTEP\u201d in the key code box on the online donation form.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLToday.\u00a0 When you make your donation over the phone you can simply request the book <em>Stepping Up<\/em> and we\u2019ll send it out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do appreciate your partnership with us in this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTomorrow we\u2019re going to talk more with Jill Savage about some of the difficult choices families sometimes have to make to get their financial house in order and how you do that.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineers today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. 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And she had experienced exactly what we talk about, the \u201cmore\u201d that you can gain when you choose to live with less.\u00a0 She was experiencing those \u201cmores.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you hear a story like that and you go, \u201cOkay, well, is she experiencing any stress now with how we are going to pay the bills?\u201d\u00a0 Because it\u2019s one thing to say, \u201cOkay, we\u2019ve got to cut back on eating out.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s another thing to say, \u201cThe electric bill is due this month and we don\u2019t have money in the checking account for the electric bill.\u201d\u00a0 You\u2019ve lived there, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Definitely.\u00a0 They had to make some major changes.\u00a0 When you choose to live with less or when you find yourself living with less by circumstance, which in the economy that we have been experiencing, unfortunately a lot of people have found themselves.\u00a0 But you do have to make some decisions.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt meant no Starbucks trips like what they both, she and her husband love, Starbucks.\u00a0 It meant cutting back on eating out.\u00a0 It meant making some different decisions so that they still could pay that electric bill.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You work with a lot of young moms because of your work with Hearts at Home and training young moms to make right choices.\u00a0 Are you finding that young families today are willing to make a courageous choice to not only step down and live with less but then not pull out the plastic, the credit card, or take out the loan, and still continue their lifestyle.\u00a0 I\u2019m just seeing some of the young couples that I\u2019ve observed they want the concept of living with less\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Without the sacrifice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Bingo!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, I would agree.\u00a0 And that\u2019s why we felt like this message is so important to get out.\u00a0 That\u2019s why we\u2019ve been speaking on it.\u00a0 That\u2019s why we wrote on the concept because you have to understand that, in order to live with less, it is a countercultural decision and it requires sacrifice on your part.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt requires us to learn delayed gratification.\u00a0 That we have to oftentimes let go of the things that we really want to have in order to honestly experience the kind of relationships we long to have.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So the mom who\u2019s listening who goes, \u201cListen, I can live simply.\u00a0 I\u2019m okay with that and I don\u2019t have a whole lot of strong desires and I\u2019m fine with cutting out the Starbucks.\u00a0 But I\u2019ve got kids and I want good things for my kids.\u00a0 I do not want to be sending my kids to school in second hand stuff.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want to be sending them off and saying \u2018You can\u2019t go here because we can\u2019t afford it.\u2019\u00a0 I want my kids to experience what other kids get to experience.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think a certain level of that is healthy.\u00a0 We certainly want that.\u00a0 I think at the same time we can also grow up entitled kids.\u00a0 If they don\u2019t learn to work for themselves then we\u2019re really doing them a disservice.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s also okay for us to tell our kids \u201cno.\u201d\u00a0 Right now our son is almost fifteen.\u00a0 He does not have a cell phone.\u00a0 Now he has informed us that he is the only ninth grader in his school who does not have a cell phone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Probably the only ninth grader on the planet.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 He\u2019s probably darn close, honestly!\u00a0 This may not be a time where he\u2019s exaggerating too much.\u00a0 I mean, it is hard to stand firm.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn our family, our kids get cell phones when they start driving and that\u2019s gotten harder and harder as cell phones have gotten younger and younger, culturally.\u00a0 Very difficult.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut that is a \u201cno\u201d that I don\u2019t think is going to hurt him at all.\u00a0 We have explained to him why.\u00a0 It is very much a financial decision for us.\u00a0 It also is a parenting decision and, yes there are times that it is hard, but I don\u2019t think that\u2019s going to hurt him at all to do without.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, and here\u2019s where moms, if they\u2019re not careful, can really drive their husbands and really cause a sense of shame and feeling like \u201cI\u2019m just not winning as a provider for my family.\u201d\u00a0 When they\u2019re not willing to no longer buy the Gap clothing for kids, no longer having their kids in the private school.\u00a0 Instead they have to put their kids in a public school.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe husband who is hearing all this feels the pressure of his wife and the mother of these children, who has to have her children in these certain status circles of tennis lessons, piano lessons.\u00a0 On and on it goes.\u00a0 I mean the cultural pressure, and we\u2019ve talked about it, is enormous here.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it\u2019s a wise young woman, a wise mom, who steps back and says, \u201cAm I living my life out through my kids, trying to get my value and my identity by virtue of what they wear, where they go, what they do, the talents they have?\u00a0 Or am I a team player with my husband?\u201d\u00a0 You know, children are incredibly flexible.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, they are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They don\u2019t have to have all the bells and whistles.\u00a0 They\u2019re far more flexible, I think, and so I think they\u2019re more willing to settle for less than we are as the parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 They\u2019ll put up a good fight, though.\u00a0 They\u2019ll put up a good fight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, especially the teenagers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yes, they will!\u00a0 They will!\u00a0 I remember, and every kid is different.\u00a0 Child number one, no problem wearing second hand clothes.\u00a0 No problem with that.\u00a0 Child number two?\u00a0 He had a completely different idea of what he wanted to wear.\u00a0 So you know what?\u00a0 When he turned sixteen he got a job at that particular clothing store.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Imagine that!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 that he enjoyed buying from of which was not in our budget!\u00a0 I don\u2019t know that he ever brought much home from that job other than, you know, he would just exchange his paycheck for clothing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut he learned, he learned, if you want that\u2026\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow the interesting thing is he is now in a season of living with less in his life.\u00a0 It\u2019s interesting.\u00a0 He has a different style and a different sense of fashion and he\u2019s okay buying $20 jeans instead of $60 jeans now that he\u2019s paying for it himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, you\u2019re raising an important issue here.\u00a0 It\u2019s not merely the choice we\u2019re making and how they impact us.\u00a0 It\u2019s how they impact our kids and what we\u2019re training them to expect as they move into adulthood.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What values they\u2019re going to embrace.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Exactly!\u00a0 Back to this entitlement culture.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to tell you something.\u00a0 This is a real deal because you sensed it after the recession.\u00a0 There is a new normal.\u00a0 There is a new normal and you\u2019d better be training your children to live in the new normal, rather than expecting to be able to be where you were when you were twenty-five, twenty-eight, thirty.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think the new normal is healthier.\u00a0 I think the new normal, from a parenting perspective, I think we were on the road to even more entitlement than before we experienced the recession.\u00a0 I really don\u2019t think it\u2019s a bad thing for us to back off and to teach our kids about frugality, about sacrifice, about learning to work hard for the things that you want.\u00a0 About it being okay to delay some of the things you want until you save the money to have it. In fact, that is one of those parenting lessons that we kind of learned the hard way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tInitially, with our kids, when our older kids were teenagers, if they wanted something but it was going to take them two or three months, we\u2019d loan them some money.\u00a0 We realized, \u201cYou know what, this isn\u2019t good\u201d because they think that\u2019s what you do when you want something.\u00a0 With every kid you get a little wiser.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, by the time we got to number three, we stopped that.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t matter is they were going to have it in a week.\u00a0 We stopped it and we said, \u201cNo.\u00a0 When you have the cash in your hand, you can go make that purchase but we will not front it to you because, you know what?\u00a0\u00a0 In adult life, nobody fronts you money.\u00a0 Or, if they do, it\u2019s going to cost you a pretty penny.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve told this story, I think, before on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 There was a season in our life, Jill, where we were in the living with less, not by own choosing.\u00a0 We had moved twice.\u00a0 We owned real estate in two towns and were paying rent in a third.\u00a0 So, every bit of available cash was gone.\u00a0 During that season, there would be things that would come up that, for years, we had just, \u201cyeah, we ought to go get one of those.\u201d\u00a0 And we\u2019d just go do it.\u00a0 Well, now we couldn\u2019t.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe had this piece of paper that we kept in a drawer by the stove.\u00a0 It was our \u201cwhen we have money again, here\u2019s what we\u2019re going to get next.\u201d\u00a0 We just started writing these things down and here was the interesting thing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis went on for about six or eight months that we were in this situation.\u00a0 We would write things down on the list.\u00a0 Mary Ann would say something to me about, \u201cYou know, we really need this\u201d and I\u2019d go \u201cwrite it down.\u201d\u00a0 Every so often we\u2019d get the list out and I\u2019d say, \u201cOkay, if we had the money today, what would be number one.\u201d\u00a0 And she\u2019d say, \u201cDefinitely, this right here would be number one.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen two weeks later I\u2019d say, \u201cGet out the list and I\u2019d say \u2018if we had the money today, what would be number one?\u201d and she\u2019s say, \u201cprobably this and it was something else.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI\u2019d go, \u201cWhat about what was number one last time?\u201d\u00a0 She\u2019d go, \u201cYou know, we don\u2019t really need that\u201d and the light switch went on for me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought, how many things do we buy because we can and we want that two weeks later, we go, \u201cI really didn\u2019t need that.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t really do what I thought it was going to do.\u201d\u00a0 And, all of a sudden, I thought, you really need to\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, you\u2019ve got a little formula that you encourage people to go through when they\u2019re confronted with one of these \u201cwe need to go do that, we need to go buy this, I need to get it\u201d\u2026\u00a0 Right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 It is a PLAN and that is to Prepare, to Listen, to Adjust, and then to Navigate.\u00a0 What we talk about there is to prepare our thinking, to be thinking ahead, about purchases that we need to make, to discuss them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen to listen to each other because often times we have different perspectives.\u00a0 My husband and I have completely different perspectives about cable television.\u00a0 I could live completely without it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Completely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Never happen in our marriage!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But what about the games?\u00a0 The games don\u2019t come on regular TV.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard it all.\u00a0 And then the \u201cA\u201d is adjust.\u00a0 So we adjust in what we need to do.\u00a0 Sometimes that means I have to adjust a little bit more.\u00a0 Sometimes he has to adjust.\u00a0 But we adjust to the reality of what we can afford.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then we navigate it.\u00a0 We begin to navigate what that looks like.\u00a0 I think that that makes such a difference, when we can walk through those four steps to help us make wise money decisions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 For us, it was simply the discipline of not responding to the impulse.\u00a0 That was huge because we\u2019d lived in one of those situations where, it\u2019s not like we were wealthy and could buy everything we wanted, but most of the time if we saw something we wanted or needed, we\u2019d go, \u201cI can probably afford that\u201d and we\u2019d do it.\u00a0 Now, when we couldn\u2019t and we had to wait, we began to see that just buying what you want when you can isn\u2019t always a good idea.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What you\u2019re talking about there is contentment.\u00a0 It\u2019s difficult to grab contentment and to grasp it and to hold on tight to it.\u00a0 In fact, one of the passages of scripture that, to me, is a bit of a paradox and it\u2019s found in 1 Timothy, chapter 6.\u00a0 Just listen to what this says.\u00a0 It says, \u201cNow, there is great gain in godliness with contentment.\u201d\u00a0 Now, think about that for a moment.\u00a0 It could have just said there is great gain in being like God. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 In godliness, sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 In godliness.\u00a0 But it says there is great gain when godliness is accompanied by being content.\u00a0 Now what\u2019s the scripture after there?\u00a0 What\u2019s God trying to say to us?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, our hearts are constantly prone to wander, constantly prone to create idols that receive our affection, our attention.\u00a0 We think about them all the time.\u00a0 We want it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong> We want what we want when we want it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We want to consume it.\u00a0 I think what God is trying to wean us from is from our eyes, what we see, and the lust of our hearts, what we want.\u00a0 He\u2019s trying to say, \u201cYou know what?\u201d\u00a0 The title of this book <em>Living with Less so Your Family Has More<\/em> is a great exhortation for any twenty-first century family today because, in this nation, we all have too much.\u00a0 I\u2019m convinced we have way too much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think of what the apostle Paul says in Philippians, chapter 4, where he says, \u201cI\u2019ve been in circumstances where I have had plenty and I\u2019ve been in circumstances where I have had want.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been hungry and I\u2019ve been well-fed.\u201d\u00a0 And he says, \u201cI have learned the secret of that contentment\u201d and that\u2019s where he says \u201cI can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe see that Philippians 4:13 verse on T-shirts and think it\u2019s about an athletic achievement or it\u2019s about victory in certain areas.\u00a0 It\u2019s really tied to the idea of \u201cI can be content, no matter what\u201d because Christ is the source of my contentment, not stuff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 As we were just talking about this and kind of going through steps, one of the things that Mark and I have found to be so helpful in our living with less journey is asking ourselves the question \u201cDo we really need this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe were faced with this.\u00a0 We\u2019ve been through a more recent living with less journey where we made some live decisions that resulted in quite a, took quite a hit in our income.\u00a0 Two weeks after we made that decision we lost the transmission in our main vehicle, our mini-van.\u00a0 You know, every family needs a mini-van.\u00a0 The transmission went out in our mini-van.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And those aren\u2019t nineteen ninety-five down at the local auto parts store, those transmissions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<br><strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, not at all.\u00a0 So, at first, immediately Mark says, \u201cOh, we\u2019ve got to go get a car.\u00a0 We\u2019ve got to figure something out.\u201d\u00a0 Well, we had just taken a seventy-five percent decrease in our income.\u00a0 So we had some emergency fund over here but we didn\u2019t want to use that up because we were probably going to need that for some living experiences while we were making this transition.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember the day that we sat out on our front porch sorting this out and I remember saying, \u201cI think we could do it with one car.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cThere\u2019s no way!\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI think we could do it with one car.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we went back and forth, you know, looking at the pros and the cons of that and, honestly, there really wasn\u2019t a decision to be made.\u00a0 We did not have the money to replace this vehicle.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were going to have to do it with one car!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 We were!\u00a0 But it took us a while to get there and finally we determined, \u201cI think we have to do that.\u201d\u00a0 We did one car for nine months.\u00a0 Now that\u2019s with two teenagers at home still and two very active people.\u00a0 We did it with one vehicle.\u00a0 And you know what?\u00a0 It was interesting.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe actually took a road trip. By the way, the only other vehicle we had was my husband\u2019s truck that was a partial extended cab.\u00a0 Not the kind that has four doors but the kind that you just squeeze in the back and it\u2019s not real comfortable.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 There\u2019s no leg room back that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 And the back is sitting straight up.\u00a0 So it wasn\u2019t comfortable.\u00a0 And we had to make a trip.\u00a0 We had to make a six hour trip one day with that vehicle and our two teenagers sat in the back.\u00a0 No DVD player for them to have their little headphones on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jill:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 We had the most incredible conversation with our two teenage boys because they were a captive audience.\u00a0 They were right behind us.\u00a0 We totally enjoyed that.\u00a0 Even in that living with less moment we experienced a \u201cmore\u201d that was honestly a surprise.\u00a0 That\u2019s what we really found.\u00a0 That was a circumstance we found ourselves in.\u00a0 Yes, would we have liked to have a more comfortable vehicle?\u00a0 But we didn\u2019t.\u00a0 Yet there were still some benefits to that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I want to be back and finish the passage I quoted earlier from 1 Timothy 6, verse 6.\u00a0 Just listen to what it admonishes us to do.\u00a0 \u201cNow there is great gain in godliness with contentment for we brought nothing into the world and we cannot take anything out of the world.\u00a0 But if we have food and clothing, with these we will be content.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.\u00a0 For the love of money is the root of all kinds of evils.\u00a0 It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pangs.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEverybody listening to me right now can find someone who\u2019s richer than they are.\u00a0 It\u2019s just a matter of perspective, okay.\u00a0 You can find somebody who\u2019s got more money than you and you can go over to their house and you can hang out for a while and you can begin to think, \u201cBoy, I\u2019d love one of those.\u00a0 And, man, wouldn\u2019t it be fun to have a closet like that?\u201d\u00a0 And then you become consumed thinking about how can we achieve it, get it, possess it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat I\u2019m seeing is many of the people who are rich that I know are trying to move toward simplicity.\u00a0 They are trying to unplug the complexity that riches have brought them and move towards simplicity so that their lives are less cluttered and they don\u2019t have the distractions that come with having abundance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve just been sitting here thinking, \u201cOkay, who\u2019s going to pick up Mark and Jill\u2019s book and say, \u201cboy, we need to read this?\u201d\u00a0 Well, it\u2019s probably going to be those people who are, because of circumstances, living with less.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Maybe not!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it may be a whole other audience of people who are saying, \u201cYou know, the complexity of life like you\u2019re describing it.\u00a0 I\u2019m ready to simplify and to take some steps to move us in that direction.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe\u2019ve got copies of the book <em>Living With Less So Your Family Has More<\/em> in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\u00a0 Go online at FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about how to get a copy of the book. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website is FamilyLifeToday.com or call toll free at 1-800-FLToday, 800, \u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word Today.\u00a0 Ask about Mark and Jill Savage\u2019s book <em>Living With Less So Your Family Has More<\/em> and our team will make arrangements to get a copy of the book sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just want to add here, too, we are grateful for those of you who, in the midst of putting your family finances together, have included some money for giving to ministries like <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 We are listener supported.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe production and syndication costs associated with this program are born by listeners who, like you, will, from time to time, make a donation to help support the ministry.\u00a0 Or, I know some of you are Legacy partners and you make a donation each month and we do appreciate your financial support of this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are able to make a donation to support <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this month, we\u2019d like to send you, as a thank you gift, Dennis Rainey\u2019s new book.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>Stepping Up, a Call to Courageous Manhood.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI have a friend of mine who had just finished reading the book.\u00a0 He was telling me recently about how powerful a book it is.\u00a0 In fact, he\u2019s hoping we can get some men together at our church and go through the book together.\u00a0 I suggested to him that we ought to wait until the movie <em>Courageous<\/em> comes out next week.\u00a0 Go see the film and then use that as a springboard to getting together and going through the <em>Stepping Up<\/em> book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you\u2019re interested in a copy of the book <em>Stepping Up<\/em>, when you make a donation to FamilyLife this month, simply request it.\u00a0 If you donate online, type the word \u201cSTEP\u201d in the key code box on the online donation form.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLToday.\u00a0 When you make your donation over the phone you can simply request the book <em>Stepping Up<\/em> and we\u2019ll send it out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe do appreciate your partnership with us in this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTomorrow we\u2019re going to talk more with Jill Savage about some of the difficult choices families sometimes have to make to get their financial house in order and how you do that.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us for that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineers today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team. 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