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How could you ever turn against one another?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And when did you find out that there might be some liabilities associated with being married and being in ministry together?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Probably on the honeymoon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd for sure in the first year of marriage after there were a lot of tears.\u00a0 I mean, our first year was \u2013 I wouldn\u2019t want to repeat our first year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What is it, though, about ministry that makes it uniquely challenging to the marriage relationship, do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think first of all you\u2019re on a spiritual mission together, so if I understand the Bible, we are in an unseen battle.\u00a0 There is a battle that rages around us, and sometimes in our midst that is known as spiritual warfare.\u00a0 I think a marriage that is engaging around God\u2019s purposes ultimately comes under attack itself.\u00a0 I felt like many times our marriage was \u2013 well, that there was an enemy trying to drive a wedge between Barbara and me.\u00a0 And even a couple with good hearts headed in the right direction can end up squandering their birthright, their spiritual birthright.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019ve talked to a lot of pastors; you\u2019ve talked to a lot of guys who are in ministry.\u00a0 One of the challenges you face is that ministry seems so right and so noble that how can it be wrong to be back out traveling to speak here, or doing this ministry assignment?\u00a0 How can that be wrong?\u00a0 Even if it is hard back home, shouldn\u2019t that be something your wife just understands and deals with? Right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Certainly there are those who have secular jobs, if I can use that term.\u00a0 I actually think we\u2019re all employed for spiritual purposes, regardless of what we do.\u00a0 But there are those who have to travel as a result of their job, and because of that have some extra stresses that are placed on their marriages.\u00a0 I don\u2019t think a person who is in ministry is excluded from this battle, Bob.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMany of our adjustments, arguments, conflicts, battles occurred around either leaving for a trip, traveling, or coming home and readjusting to one another.\u00a0 I mean, while I was gone Barbara would do fine, pretty much.\u00a0 She learned how to independently function on her own, and then all of a sudden I show up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Some guy\u2019s back in the house.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And he\u2019s got some issues, you know.\u00a0 When it was just her issues, she only dealt with hers, but now it\u2019s both of us, and that can have an impact on a marriage relationship.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have some guests who are joining us in the studio today who \u2013 actually, the two of you started off kind of in ministry together.\u00a0 Michael and Heidi O\u2019Brien are in the studio with us.\u00a0 You met while you were both involved in a singing ministry, Michael.\u00a0 Is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s correct.\u00a0 I had auditioned down in Miami and Heidi had auditioned where she was living at the time in Dallas.\u00a0 And then actually we first met in Dallas when I went for my second audition.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is audition to be a part of \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- a group called Heritage Singers<em>.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 And we basically met in the hallway there at the hotel, and I was dating somebody else at the time, and so she wasn\u2019t interested at all.\u00a0 And I was completely absorbed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now, wait.\u00a0 You were dating someone so she wasn\u2019t interested.\u00a0 Does that mean you were?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, not at the time.\u00a0 No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, just wanted to make sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was dating somebody else, so --\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 When did you get interested?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I checked out on this relationship that I was in about a month later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I didn\u2019t want a girlfriend.\u00a0 It was too complicated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So you broke up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, we broke up.\u00a0 But she stayed in the group too, so there was a dynamic there that was kind of tough.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were traveling a lot together on the road.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, we were.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 There were eight singers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Eight singers, sound man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, wait.\u00a0 Eight singers, and your ex-girlfriend is one of them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 In the bus all the time with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, this is Three\u2019s Company, isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very crowded.\u00a0 Very crowded bus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was.\u00a0 But at that time, you know, Heidi is doing her own thing.\u00a0 I was doing my own thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You guys are friends, that\u2019s it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 The truth of the matter is I was very young and very infatuated and a major groupie of him.\u00a0 I thought I was hiding it, this major crush, but everybody, everybody knew it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were a groupie of Michael?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, I just heard him sing and he just made my heart pitter-patter, and \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So were you aware that there was this kind of cult following?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 One of the girls in the group, not my ex, but another girl said one day while I was eating that she was interested in me.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t really think much of it at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Said that Heidi was interested \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 That Heidi was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you thought, \u201cOh, well that\u2019s interesting.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, and then one day I saw her and this is a true story, walk across the parking lot while I was in the bus, and I looked at her, and I thought, \u201cThat is the most amazing walk I\u2019ve ever seen in my life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now you\u2019d been on the road singing with her for how long?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And all of a sudden that walk got you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was just like \u201cWow, she \u2013\u201c\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Had you not looked around the van to see who all was in the group, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what happened.\u00a0 It was just like a light bulb \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 How long before everybody else in the group knew that Michael liked Heidi and Heidi likes Michael and something\u2019s going on here?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was pretty childish at the time \u2013 kind of boyish in how I approached Heidi.\u00a0 I remember even saying \u201cThe word for the day is \u2018yes.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 Am I right, honey, when I said \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, but you\u2019re skipping a little bit ahead.\u00a0 We actually had our first kiss on November 1<sup>st<\/sup>, and we were married a couple of months later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Kiss?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not a couple, honey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Three?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Is March 3<sup>rd<\/sup> a couple?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 November, December, Jan \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 After November?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 November, December \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, no, no.\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 January, February.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m bad with numbers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 She\u2019s really good in details --\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m bad with numbers.\u00a0 I admit it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- but really bad with numbers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m a words person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 She remembers November 1<sup>st<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, so do I.\u00a0 I wrote a song about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, you did?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, I did.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Would you mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, you\u2019re going to make me do it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It\u2019s not \u2013 well, okay.\u00a0 I guess I could try.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Sure you can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have a little keyboard here in the studio.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019ve set this up, because we know that when a man and a woman meet and fall in love, there are lots of songs that get written that nobody ever hears except the wife, and we thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s no good.\u00a0 We want to hear about the first kiss.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019re going to like it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Am I?\u00a0 Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I know it was cold and heavy in the autumn,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>But to me it was spring instead.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Stars fell from the sky, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I think I must have caught them<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The way they danced around my head.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And my heart was beating like a drum,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The first of more to come,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I remember November\u2019s Kiss.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Wasn\u2019t there a symphony?<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em><em>I swear <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I heard the music playing there<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>When I took you into my arms.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Wasn\u2019t there a grand display of fireworks, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Or was it just the sparkle in your eyes?<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>In the dead of night was a day I started living, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And oh, what a life it\u2019s been.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>With you every day, there\u2019s a need for thanksgiving, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And I am ever grateful for <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Now and then and the rest that\u2019s yet to come, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And the love that started from <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>That tender, November\u2019s kiss.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have two comments to make.\u00a0 Number one \u2013 why is it that some guys get all the lines?\u00a0 There are some great lines in there.\u00a0 I\u2019ve never had a line like that in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I can attest to that, too, by the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But the other thing I was going to say is, I was watching Heidi.\u00a0 She was closing her eyes, and she was back to November and the first kiss.\u00a0 I have to ask Heidi, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really.\u00a0 I hate to be corny, but it was.\u00a0 It was like a movie moment for me.\u00a0 It was absolutely fireworks and he made me swoon.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what else to say.\u00a0 He just \u2013 he did.\u00a0 He made me swoon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I remember going back to the hotel room.\u00a0 I was staying with two guys in the group.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not us together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we were separate.\u00a0 It was the sweetest kiss I\u2019ve ever had in my life.\u00a0 I mean, I kept on looking at the guys like, \u201cGuys, you don\u2019t know.\u00a0 You just don\u2019t understand.\u201d\u00a0 It was amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, now.\u00a0 Even hearing that story and hearing that song, here\u2019s where it starts getting a little problematic.\u00a0 There are women who were driving along listening to that song and you singing that on the radio, and they were starting to swoon, too.\u00a0 But they were swooning about you, because you\u2019ve got that great voice and they were imagining you were singing it about them, and all of a sudden they\u2019re off in this romantic fantasy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You don\u2019t think?\u00a0 C\u2019mon.\u00a0 You know that, don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, yes, I mean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know that when your husband is singing these love songs, I mean, you know it\u2019s about you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But there are women out in the audience wishing it was about them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think that that\u2019s true, but that would be true \u2013 Michael has gotten that.\u00a0 Whenever you\u2019re on a platform of any kind, women want you.\u00a0 They do.\u00a0 They see that.\u00a0 Women crave leadership, and they see that person on the platform, especially on a spiritual platform, no matter what women say and whatever the feminists say, down deep inside women want a spiritual man to love them, to protect them, to lead them, to cherish them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whether you\u2019re a pastor or a Christian singer or anybody that has a kind of a platform and they\u2019re going to see you, you\u2019re going to have women who want a piece of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So does that bug you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 There was a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Has that bugged you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 There was absolutely a time.\u00a0 For many years in our married life there was not a foundation of trust.\u00a0 And you know, I can completely relate to that first year.\u00a0 Our first year was so rocky.\u00a0 It was just crazy.\u00a0 I feel like we are a miracle.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know how we made it through our first year, and I don\u2019t know how we made it through what we call our personal dark ages.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally and truthfully, yes, it really did bother me.\u00a0 But as you walk through life together and you grow together and you build trust, and you persevere, that does away little by little.\u00a0 You just absolutely get to a place where you think, \u201cNo, I am the only person in this man\u2019s heart.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What you\u2019re describing is an enduring love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t mean to demean your song in any way, because when you sang that song on November 1<sup>st<\/sup> and that moment occurred and the magic of that event, and the romance of that \u2013 that\u2019s all real, but that\u2019s puppy love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was going to ask you \u2013 would you trade what you had then for what you have now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not in a second.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not in a second.\u00a0 What about you, Heidi?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my goodness.\u00a0 You are so much better with age and to mature and grow and become who you are.\u00a0 Not a chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were a nice boy, but you\u2019re a nice man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve had a lot of people speak that into my life, like \u201cYou need to stop being a boy and you need to be a man.\u00a0 Be a man.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard that probably the last seven years over a hundred times.\u00a0 \u201cBe a man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 When you proposed, did you sing your proposal?\u00a0 Did you write a song for your proposal?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\u00a0 I have to be honest again.\u00a0 I was not a romantic.\u00a0 We were in a mall.\u00a0 We were in a mall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m just glad you didn\u2019t do it on the bus with the rest of the band there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I said, \u201cHey, do you want to go elope?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cYeah,\u201d because we had kind of been talking about it.\u00a0 And I called information \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hey, you wanta go elope?\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Oh, man.\u00a0 This is going to sell a lot of romance records right here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, it\u2019s not good.\u00a0 But eventually we ended up downtown Fort Worth and the jail Justice of the Peace married us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Seriously?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Five minutes.\u00a0 Manuel Valdez.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 That easy?\u00a0 Huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can actually do that today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, we had to write up an excuse as to why we didn\u2019t have to have the regular three-day waiting period, and we explained \u201cWe\u2019re in a traveling singing group.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have a car.\u00a0 We just happened to be in my home town and had access to this car.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No blood test in Texas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 And we had to go present this summary of our argument, and we had it signed in Divorce Court.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is a true story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 The judge that was there.\u00a0 He goes, \u201cI hope we don\u2019t see you here again.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019re like, \u201cWhy?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cWell, you just had your marriage license signed in divorce court.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the actual regular Justice of the Peace had left for the day, and literally we\u2019re running.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know why we\u2019re telling this story.\u00a0 This is horrible.\u00a0 Nobody do this.\u00a0 This is just \u2013 don\u2019t \u2013 this is not a good, Godly way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was not good. It wasn\u2019t good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it is a funny story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019re running where?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019re running to the jail Justice of the Peace because the other Justice of the Peace is out, so we run to get in line.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, in the correctional facility there\u2019s, you know \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, the inmates are getting married, and we ended up going in there.\u00a0 Manuel Valdez married us in five minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So was it back on the bus and singing that night?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 The next day.\u00a0 But we didn\u2019t tell anybody.\u00a0 We wanted to have a marriage celebration, which we ended up doing later in the year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hold it, hold it, hold it.\u00a0 I\u2019ve got to figure out where you went from \u2013 was it Juan Valdez?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong> Manuel Valdez.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Manuel Valdez.\u00a0 Where did you go from the jail?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We went to eat dinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, this is an awful story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We went to eat dinner with her parents and the whole family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 My family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You went out with your family!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\u00a0 It\u2019s terrible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And did you tell them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, I didn\u2019t.\u00a0 They had just told me and warned me not to run off and go get married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Dr. Rainey, you understand that we were very childish \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very foolish!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- in some of the decisions that we made when we first got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I want to know how many lashes her father gave you when he found out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 He never \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was devastating.\u00a0 It was, and that was part of that whole rocky first year, because we kept it a secret but somebody outed us, and my parents found out and were just absolutely \u2013 and rightfully so \u2013 I mean, I would be crushed \u2013 absolutely devastated.\u00a0 Drama, pain.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What a great way to start a marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Awful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you stop and think \u2013 If I came to you with this story \u2013 Hey, Dennis, let me tell you about this couple I know \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, yeah.\u00a0 And let\u2019s talk about the odds of this thing going the distance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 What would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019d say they better have a fierce commitment to Jesus Christ, because that will be the only thing that will see them through ultimately to know how to love one another.\u00a0 And frankly, that\u2019s all any of us have when you get right down to it.\u00a0 All of the romance and doing everything perfectly, it still boils down to two very different people \u2013 and we haven\u2019t even talked about how they\u2019re different.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, here we\u2019ve got Michael over here who, give them the <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> version of where you came from?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Drugs and alcohol.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Miami?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Miami, Florida.\u00a0 Pornography at the age of six.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Singer, songwriter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Living from paycheck to paycheck?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Singing in bars, bar-managing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 And you married somebody who was exactly like you.\u00a0 Right, Heidi?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Way polar opposites.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I just was raised in a generational Christian family with just so many boundaries and very protected, extremely sheltered, and I\u2019d only dated really one other person besides my husband.\u00a0 So it was very different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Your mom and dad send you off for a year or two with a Christian singing group thinking \u201cThere\u2019s no safer place --\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- that she could be than in this environment,\u201d and she gets swooped up by Michael.\u00a0 You know, your story really is a great story, and we\u2019re going to get a chance to hear the whole thing this week.\u00a0 But I also want to remind our listeners about the fact that you guys are going to be joining us in February for the second <em>Love Like You Mean It\u00ae <\/em>cruise that we\u2019re going to be doing together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally looking forward to this.\u00a0 We\u2019re going out in February on a Caribbean cruise.\u00a0 Gary Thomas, the author of <em>Sacred Marriage<\/em>, is going to be joining us.\u00a0 Voddie Baucham is going to be on the cruise with us, along with Sanctus Real and Matthew West and the Annie Moses Band, and Darleen McCoy and Paul Overstreet, Michael Jr., who is a very funny comedian, is going to be on the ship with us as well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was talking to our guys and I said, \u201cHow is the cruise going?\u201d\u00a0 They said, \u201cWell, we\u2019re right at about 70% of the cruise is sold out.\u201d\u00a0 And I said, \u201cWell, before it all sells out, could we do something special for our listeners?\u201d\u00a0 They said, \u201cWell, like what?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cWell, you pay for yourself to come and your spouse comes free.\u201d\u00a0 You know, I thought, \u201cJust try that,\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd they said, \u201cOkay.\u00a0 We can do that, but we can only do it for a week.\u201d\u00a0 So between now and next Monday, if you contact us and let us know that you are interested in going on the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise February 13<sup>th<\/sup> through the 17<sup>th<\/sup>, leaving from Miami, heading out into the Caribbean for a week, Valentine\u2019s week \u2013 it\u2019s a great getaway for couples \u2013 if you want to sign up before next Monday, you pay for yourself and your spouse comes at no cost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo online at FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link you see there that will get you all the information you need about the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise, or call 1-800-FLTODAY and we can answer any questions you have about the cruise.\u00a0 When you\u2019re ready to register, you have to identify yourself as a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener.\u00a0 You have to say, \u201cI listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and I want to take advantage of that special offer.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s the only way you can register for yourself and your spouse comes at no additional cost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo again, call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make sure you mention you\u2019re a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener, or get more information online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click on the link for the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise.\u00a0 We hope you\u2019ll join us.\u00a0 It\u2019s going to be a great five days in the Caribbean, Valentine\u2019s week of 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we want to say thanks to those of you who help make this radio program possible by donating to support <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>All of the costs associated with producing and syndicating this daily radio program are covered by listeners like you who, either from time or time or on a monthly basis as Legacy partners, contact us to make a donation to help support the ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you are able this week to help with a donation to support us, we\u2019d like to send you a copy of a book by Dennis and Barbara Rainey about praying together as a couple.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>Two Hearts Praying as One<\/em>.\u00a0 That\u2019s our way of saying thank you when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this week with a donation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you make your donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com, type the word \u201cHEARTS\u201d in the key code box that you find on the online donation form, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation, and just ask for the book on praying together, and we\u2019re happy to send it out to you.\u00a0 Thanks so much for your partnership with us in ministry as you make a donation to support <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>We really do appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to encourage you to be back with us tomorrow when we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Michael and Heidi O\u2019Brien, and hear more of their story.\u00a0 In fact, we\u2019re going to hear about a very rocky time in their marriage and how God got their attention in the middle of it.\u00a0 I hope you can be here for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob 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man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, wait.\u00a0 Eight singers, and your ex-girlfriend is one of them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 In the bus all the time with you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, this is Three\u2019s Company, isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very crowded.\u00a0 Very crowded bus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was.\u00a0 But at that time, you know, Heidi is doing her own thing.\u00a0 I was doing my own thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You guys are friends, that\u2019s it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 The truth of the matter is I was very young and very infatuated and a major groupie of him.\u00a0 I thought I was hiding it, this major crush, but everybody, everybody knew it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were a groupie of Michael?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Why?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, I just heard him sing and he just made my heart pitter-patter, and \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So were you aware that there was this kind of cult following?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 One of the girls in the group, not my ex, but another girl said one day while I was eating that she was interested in me.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t really think much of it at the time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Said that Heidi was interested \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 That Heidi was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you thought, \u201cOh, well that\u2019s interesting.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, and then one day I saw her and this is a true story, walk across the parking lot while I was in the bus, and I looked at her, and I thought, \u201cThat is the most amazing walk I\u2019ve ever seen in my life.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now you\u2019d been on the road singing with her for how long?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Two months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And all of a sudden that walk got you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was just like \u201cWow, she \u2013\u201c\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Had you not looked around the van to see who all was in the group, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what happened.\u00a0 It was just like a light bulb \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 How long before everybody else in the group knew that Michael liked Heidi and Heidi likes Michael and something\u2019s going on here?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was pretty childish at the time \u2013 kind of boyish in how I approached Heidi.\u00a0 I remember even saying \u201cThe word for the day is \u2018yes.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 Am I right, honey, when I said \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, but you\u2019re skipping a little bit ahead.\u00a0 We actually had our first kiss on November 1<sup>st<\/sup>, and we were married a couple of months later.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Kiss?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not a couple, honey.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Three?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Is March 3<sup>rd<\/sup> a couple?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 November, December, Jan \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 After November?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 November, December \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, no, no.\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 January, February.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m bad with numbers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 She\u2019s really good in details --\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m bad with numbers.\u00a0 I admit it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- but really bad with numbers.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m a words person.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 She remembers November 1<sup>st<\/sup>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, so do I.\u00a0 I wrote a song about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, you did?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, I did.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Would you mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, you\u2019re going to make me do it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It\u2019s not \u2013 well, okay.\u00a0 I guess I could try.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Sure you can.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have a little keyboard here in the studio.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019ve set this up, because we know that when a man and a woman meet and fall in love, there are lots of songs that get written that nobody ever hears except the wife, and we thought, \u201cWell, that\u2019s no good.\u00a0 We want to hear about the first kiss.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019re going to like it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Am I?\u00a0 Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I know it was cold and heavy in the autumn,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>But to me it was spring instead.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Stars fell from the sky, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I think I must have caught them<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The way they danced around my head.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And my heart was beating like a drum,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>The first of more to come,<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I remember November\u2019s Kiss.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Wasn\u2019t there a symphony?<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em><em>I swear <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>I heard the music playing there<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>When I took you into my arms.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Wasn\u2019t there a grand display of fireworks, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Or was it just the sparkle in your eyes?<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>In the dead of night was a day I started living, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And oh, what a life it\u2019s been.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>With you every day, there\u2019s a need for thanksgiving, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And I am ever grateful for <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>Now and then and the rest that\u2019s yet to come, <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>And the love that started from <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>That tender, November\u2019s kiss.<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>\u00a0<\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have two comments to make.\u00a0 Number one \u2013 why is it that some guys get all the lines?\u00a0 There are some great lines in there.\u00a0 I\u2019ve never had a line like that in my life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I can attest to that, too, by the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But the other thing I was going to say is, I was watching Heidi.\u00a0 She was closing her eyes, and she was back to November and the first kiss.\u00a0 I have to ask Heidi, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Really.\u00a0 I hate to be corny, but it was.\u00a0 It was like a movie moment for me.\u00a0 It was absolutely fireworks and he made me swoon.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what else to say.\u00a0 He just \u2013 he did.\u00a0 He made me swoon.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I remember going back to the hotel room.\u00a0 I was staying with two guys in the group.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not us together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we were separate.\u00a0 It was the sweetest kiss I\u2019ve ever had in my life.\u00a0 I mean, I kept on looking at the guys like, \u201cGuys, you don\u2019t know.\u00a0 You just don\u2019t understand.\u201d\u00a0 It was amazing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay, now.\u00a0 Even hearing that story and hearing that song, here\u2019s where it starts getting a little problematic.\u00a0 There are women who were driving along listening to that song and you singing that on the radio, and they were starting to swoon, too.\u00a0 But they were swooning about you, because you\u2019ve got that great voice and they were imagining you were singing it about them, and all of a sudden they\u2019re off in this romantic fantasy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Do you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You don\u2019t think?\u00a0 C\u2019mon.\u00a0 You know that, don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, yes, I mean.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know that when your husband is singing these love songs, I mean, you know it\u2019s about you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 But there are women out in the audience wishing it was about them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think that that\u2019s true, but that would be true \u2013 Michael has gotten that.\u00a0 Whenever you\u2019re on a platform of any kind, women want you.\u00a0 They do.\u00a0 They see that.\u00a0 Women crave leadership, and they see that person on the platform, especially on a spiritual platform, no matter what women say and whatever the feminists say, down deep inside women want a spiritual man to love them, to protect them, to lead them, to cherish them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo whether you\u2019re a pastor or a Christian singer or anybody that has a kind of a platform and they\u2019re going to see you, you\u2019re going to have women who want a piece of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So does that bug you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 There was a time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Has that bugged you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 There was absolutely a time.\u00a0 For many years in our married life there was not a foundation of trust.\u00a0 And you know, I can completely relate to that first year.\u00a0 Our first year was so rocky.\u00a0 It was just crazy.\u00a0 I feel like we are a miracle.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know how we made it through our first year, and I don\u2019t know how we made it through what we call our personal dark ages.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally and truthfully, yes, it really did bother me.\u00a0 But as you walk through life together and you grow together and you build trust, and you persevere, that does away little by little.\u00a0 You just absolutely get to a place where you think, \u201cNo, I am the only person in this man\u2019s heart.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What you\u2019re describing is an enduring love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t mean to demean your song in any way, because when you sang that song on November 1<sup>st<\/sup> and that moment occurred and the magic of that event, and the romance of that \u2013 that\u2019s all real, but that\u2019s puppy love.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was going to ask you \u2013 would you trade what you had then for what you have now?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not in a second.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not in a second.\u00a0 What about you, Heidi?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, my goodness.\u00a0 You are so much better with age and to mature and grow and become who you are.\u00a0 Not a chance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were a nice boy, but you\u2019re a nice man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ve had a lot of people speak that into my life, like \u201cYou need to stop being a boy and you need to be a man.\u00a0 Be a man.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard that probably the last seven years over a hundred times.\u00a0 \u201cBe a man.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 When you proposed, did you sing your proposal?\u00a0 Did you write a song for your proposal?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\u00a0 I have to be honest again.\u00a0 I was not a romantic.\u00a0 We were in a mall.\u00a0 We were in a mall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m just glad you didn\u2019t do it on the bus with the rest of the band there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I said, \u201cHey, do you want to go elope?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cYeah,\u201d because we had kind of been talking about it.\u00a0 And I called information \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hey, you wanta go elope?\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Oh, man.\u00a0 This is going to sell a lot of romance records right here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, it\u2019s not good.\u00a0 But eventually we ended up downtown Fort Worth and the jail Justice of the Peace married us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Seriously?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Five minutes.\u00a0 Manuel Valdez.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 That easy?\u00a0 Huh?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can actually do that today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, we had to write up an excuse as to why we didn\u2019t have to have the regular three-day waiting period, and we explained \u201cWe\u2019re in a traveling singing group.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have a car.\u00a0 We just happened to be in my home town and had access to this car.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 No blood test in Texas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 And we had to go present this summary of our argument, and we had it signed in Divorce Court.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is a true story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0 The judge that was there.\u00a0 He goes, \u201cI hope we don\u2019t see you here again.\u201d\u00a0 We\u2019re like, \u201cWhy?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cWell, you just had your marriage license signed in divorce court.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo the actual regular Justice of the Peace had left for the day, and literally we\u2019re running.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know why we\u2019re telling this story.\u00a0 This is horrible.\u00a0 Nobody do this.\u00a0 This is just \u2013 don\u2019t \u2013 this is not a good, Godly way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was not good. It wasn\u2019t good.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 But it is a funny story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019re running where?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We\u2019re running to the jail Justice of the Peace because the other Justice of the Peace is out, so we run to get in line.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, in the correctional facility there\u2019s, you know \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, the inmates are getting married, and we ended up going in there.\u00a0 Manuel Valdez married us in five minutes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 So was it back on the bus and singing that night?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 The next day.\u00a0 But we didn\u2019t tell anybody.\u00a0 We wanted to have a marriage celebration, which we ended up doing later in the year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hold it, hold it, hold it.\u00a0 I\u2019ve got to figure out where you went from \u2013 was it Juan Valdez?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong> Manuel Valdez.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Manuel Valdez.\u00a0 Where did you go from the jail?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We went to eat dinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, this is an awful story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 We went to eat dinner with her parents and the whole family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 My family.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You went out with your family!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\u00a0 It\u2019s terrible.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And did you tell them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, I didn\u2019t.\u00a0 They had just told me and warned me not to run off and go get married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Dr. Rainey, you understand that we were very childish \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Very foolish!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- in some of the decisions that we made when we first got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I want to know how many lashes her father gave you when he found out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 He never \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was devastating.\u00a0 It was, and that was part of that whole rocky first year, because we kept it a secret but somebody outed us, and my parents found out and were just absolutely \u2013 and rightfully so \u2013 I mean, I would be crushed \u2013 absolutely devastated.\u00a0 Drama, pain.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What a great way to start a marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Awful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you stop and think \u2013 If I came to you with this story \u2013 Hey, Dennis, let me tell you about this couple I know \u2013\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah, yeah.\u00a0 And let\u2019s talk about the odds of this thing going the distance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 What would you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019d say they better have a fierce commitment to Jesus Christ, because that will be the only thing that will see them through ultimately to know how to love one another.\u00a0 And frankly, that\u2019s all any of us have when you get right down to it.\u00a0 All of the romance and doing everything perfectly, it still boils down to two very different people \u2013 and we haven\u2019t even talked about how they\u2019re different.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, here we\u2019ve got Michael over here who, give them the <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> version of where you came from?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Drugs and alcohol.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Miami?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Miami, Florida.\u00a0 Pornography at the age of six.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Singer, songwriter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Living from paycheck to paycheck?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael:<\/strong>\u00a0 Singing in bars, bar-managing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 And you married somebody who was exactly like you.\u00a0 Right, Heidi?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Way polar opposites.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I just was raised in a generational Christian family with just so many boundaries and very protected, extremely sheltered, and I\u2019d only dated really one other person besides my husband.\u00a0 So it was very different.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Your mom and dad send you off for a year or two with a Christian singing group thinking \u201cThere\u2019s no safer place --\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Heidi:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 -- that she could be than in this environment,\u201d and she gets swooped up by Michael.\u00a0 You know, your story really is a great story, and we\u2019re going to get a chance to hear the whole thing this week.\u00a0 But I also want to remind our listeners about the fact that you guys are going to be joining us in February for the second <em>Love Like You Mean It\u00ae <\/em>cruise that we\u2019re going to be doing together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tReally looking forward to this.\u00a0 We\u2019re going out in February on a Caribbean cruise.\u00a0 Gary Thomas, the author of <em>Sacred Marriage<\/em>, is going to be joining us.\u00a0 Voddie Baucham is going to be on the cruise with us, along with Sanctus Real and Matthew West and the Annie Moses Band, and Darleen McCoy and Paul Overstreet, Michael Jr., who is a very funny comedian, is going to be on the ship with us as well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was talking to our guys and I said, \u201cHow is the cruise going?\u201d\u00a0 They said, \u201cWell, we\u2019re right at about 70% of the cruise is sold out.\u201d\u00a0 And I said, \u201cWell, before it all sells out, could we do something special for our listeners?\u201d\u00a0 They said, \u201cWell, like what?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cWell, you pay for yourself to come and your spouse comes free.\u201d\u00a0 You know, I thought, \u201cJust try that,\u201d right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd they said, \u201cOkay.\u00a0 We can do that, but we can only do it for a week.\u201d\u00a0 So between now and next Monday, if you contact us and let us know that you are interested in going on the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise February 13<sup>th<\/sup> through the 17<sup>th<\/sup>, leaving from Miami, heading out into the Caribbean for a week, Valentine\u2019s week \u2013 it\u2019s a great getaway for couples \u2013 if you want to sign up before next Monday, you pay for yourself and your spouse comes at no cost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGo online at FamilyLifeToday.com and click on the link you see there that will get you all the information you need about the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise, or call 1-800-FLTODAY and we can answer any questions you have about the cruise.\u00a0 When you\u2019re ready to register, you have to identify yourself as a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener.\u00a0 You have to say, \u201cI listen to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and I want to take advantage of that special offer.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s the only way you can register for yourself and your spouse comes at no additional cost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo again, call 1-800-FL-TODAY, make sure you mention you\u2019re a <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> listener, or get more information online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Click on the link for the <em>Love Like You Mean It<\/em> cruise.\u00a0 We hope you\u2019ll join us.\u00a0 It\u2019s going to be a great five days in the Caribbean, Valentine\u2019s week of 2012.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBy the way, we want to say thanks to those of you who help make this radio program possible by donating to support <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>All of the costs associated with producing and syndicating this daily radio program are covered by listeners like you who, either from time or time or on a monthly basis as Legacy partners, contact us to make a donation to help support the ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you are able this week to help with a donation to support us, we\u2019d like to send you a copy of a book by Dennis and Barbara Rainey about praying together as a couple.\u00a0 It\u2019s called <em>Two Hearts Praying as One<\/em>.\u00a0 That\u2019s our way of saying thank you when you support the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> this week with a donation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you make your donation online at FamilyLifeToday.com, type the word \u201cHEARTS\u201d in the key code box that you find on the online donation form, or call 1-800-FL-TODAY to make your donation, and just ask for the book on praying together, and we\u2019re happy to send it out to you.\u00a0 Thanks so much for your partnership with us in ministry as you make a donation to support <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>We really do appreciate you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we want to encourage you to be back with us tomorrow when we\u2019re going to continue our conversation with Michael and Heidi O\u2019Brien, and hear more of their story.\u00a0 In fact, we\u2019re going to hear about a very rocky time in their marriage and how God got their attention in the middle of it.\u00a0 I hope you can be here for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob 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