{"id":302311,"date":"2011-07-15T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2011-07-15T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-long-dark-path\/"},"modified":"2011-07-15T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2011-07-15T15:00:00","slug":"a-long-dark-path","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-long-dark-path\/","title":{"rendered":"A Long, Dark Path"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Have you or your spouse found yourself in a deep valley of depression? 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done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 When you get to a point where it\u2019s that dark, you start to think you shouldn\u2019t be here, and she made statements like that to me, and to our daughter, and to her counselor.\u00a0 And the moment she did, the counselor could not let her go back home, and so we had to take her somewhere that she\u2019d be safe.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turned out to be the best thing, you know.\u00a0 I mean, she called the next day and said, \u201cPlease come get me,\u201d and I said, \u201cI\u2019m going to be up there, but I can\u2019t take you home right now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, July 15<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019ll hear from David Pierce today about what it\u2019s like to walk alongside someone who is battling the darkness of depression.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 There are times in a marriage when husbands or wives are called to walk down a dark path with their spouse.\u00a0 You\u2019re not sure where you\u2019re going and it\u2019s hard to see, and it can be painful.\u00a0 But that\u2019s part of the \u2018in sickness and in health\u2019 that we signed on for when we got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is.\u00a0 In fact, when we read the Scriptures in Genesis chapter two, it commands us to leave, cleave and become one.\u00a0 We have no idea what God\u2019s plan is for our lives or for our spouse\u2019s lives, and it really marks the beginning of a true adventure of two people and what God\u2019s up to in both their lives, of experiencing oneness, and not allowing circumstances to divide them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Pierce joins us here on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 He is a professor of English at Middle Tennessee State University.\u00a0 He and his wife, Chonda, and their family live in Tennessee.\u00a0 We first of all just ought to talk about your wife, because that\u2019s really what we want to talk about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChonda has a unique gift and probably several of our listeners already know who she is.\u00a0 But explain that to our listeners if you would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 My wife has the gift of making people laugh.\u00a0 She\u2019s been a comedian probably for the last 15 years.\u00a0 Started out at a little park in Nashville, impersonating Minnie Pearl.\u00a0 Her life had a lot of tragic moments.\u00a0 She lost two sisters while she was in high school \u2013 one was 20, one was 15 \u2013 within 18 months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 So when she found that job at Opryland, and she was a performer, a singer, but there was a moment in there where someone had to impersonate Minnie Pearl.\u00a0 That meant you had to come out and tell jokes, every day, six days a week, and she got that part in the midst of her still grieving.\u00a0 And so she credits comedy to really healing her, and she carried that on.\u00a0 She\u2019s a natural comedian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You and she met in high school; is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 We met in speech class.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And was she naturally funny back then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 What she does now on stage is the same thing she was doing in high school.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 She just has a microphone now.\u00a0 In class\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 In class she was cutting up, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, she was a big cut-up, you know.\u00a0 People ask me all the time, \u201cWhat\u2019s it like to be married to Chonda?\u201d\u00a0 You know, no matter what I say, it\u2019s going to be an understatement.\u00a0 So I just say, \u201cYou know what, she really breaks up the day.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were attracted to this outgoing, funny woman.\u00a0 You guys were friends before you were ever engaged.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 We were good friends.\u00a0 We lived close to each other, so I would hang out at her house all the time, play with her and her sister, who died shortly after that.\u00a0 I got to know the family really well.\u00a0 You know, my walk with Christ was not real strong at that time.\u00a0 I had a lot of anger, and I had kind of pulled back.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe was a preacher\u2019s kid, and they came to town, and with so much personality it blew everyone away.\u00a0 She was in the midst of her tragedies, so she was struggling with that.\u00a0 And yet she still loved God. I think that was what my attraction was, because I was having tough times and I was angry at God.\u00a0 I wanted to know, \u201cHow do you get there?\u00a0 How do you get there through what you\u2019re doing?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we became good friends through high school, on through college.\u00a0 I would make fun of whoever she was dating, she\u2019d make fun of whoever I was dating, and then there came that moment when we weren\u2019t dating anyone and it was like, \u201cYou want to go out?\u201d\u00a0 We had so much history that it just seemed like we should be together.\u00a0 We fell in love, and have been married almost 27 years now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were married to a young lady who had always been funny all of her life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 How long before you realized that there was a side of her that experienced darkness?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 We had been married probably about 20 years when she had a bout with depression.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So it didn\u2019t show up when you dated.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh no.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Didn\u2019t show up in early marriage as you had children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\u00a0 What we learned is that it can happen anytime.\u00a0 What contributes to that?\u00a0 It could be diet.\u00a0 It could be lack of sleep.\u00a0 It could be stress.\u00a0 It could be a collection of all of those or any kind of combination.\u00a0 She was working very hard at that time, traveling a lot, doing her shows, her tours, not real good sleep and eat habits, and I think that probably contributed a lot.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause we were baffled.\u00a0 We had a good home, the kids were fine and healthy, finances were great, and people would look at her and say, \u201cWhy is she so sad?\u00a0 What does she have to be sad about?\u201d\u00a0 And it\u2019s not that.\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t have to do with something that\u2019s making you sad.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was a chemical imbalance, and we had no clue what to do.\u00a0 They ran every kind of test.\u00a0 We had a doctor friend who was praying that it was a gallbladder, because he\u2019s a surgeon.\u00a0 He wanted to take out her gallbladder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 He needed a boat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What I want to know is, when did you sense that this sadness was indeed a deep darkness?\u00a0 When did that dawn on you, or when did you come to that conclusion?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was after a long battery of tests.\u00a0 A couple of doctors were kind of saying to us, \u201cDo you think it might be psychological?\u201d\u00a0 And we\u2019re like, \u201cNo, there\u2019s no reason.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have any history of this.\u201d\u00a0 But then someone convinced us to \u2013 \u201cLet\u2019s start taking some antidepressants,\u201d and we would try one and they said, \u201cAlright, it takes about two weeks to get into your system.\u201d\u00a0 So two weeks go by and no difference.\u00a0 \u201cAlright, scrap it.\u00a0 Let\u2019s try a new one.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis went on for about three months, and it was tough.\u00a0 I was totally helpless.\u00a0 Chonda would begin the day crying, and would do this all day long.\u00a0 Toward evening she\u2019d start to feel better, and there was this real dread, because she knew, \u201cIf I go to sleep, I\u2019m going to wake up crying again.\u201d\u00a0 And she would do that, every day, for about three months, and I was totally helpless.\u00a0 All I could do was bring her food, and try to get her into the living room, out of the bedroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 David, you\u2019re a guy.\u00a0 This is the kind of thing that guys want to fix.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\u00a0 I tried.\u00a0 I would talk to the doctors.\u00a0 After we talked together, I would corner them, \u201cListen, is there anything I can do?\u00a0 Is there something I can do?\u00a0 I\u2019ll do it every minute, on the minute if I have to.\u00a0 Just tell me.\u201d\u00a0 And the answer was, \u201cNo, we just have to wait and see if this works.\u201d\u00a0 That was tough for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Talk about that three-month period and the emotional temperature of your home, and how your kids were reacting to it.\u00a0 Again, I\u2019m thinking as a husband you had to be going, \u201cLord, just deliver us from this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 My daughter was at college at that time, so she wasn\u2019t in the house, but she did come home for about a two-week period to do the same thing I was trying to do, just \u201cWhat can I do?\u00a0 What can I do to help?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur son, he just tried to stay out of the way.\u00a0 He would corner me every now and then and say, \u201cIs Mom going to be okay?\u00a0 When\u2019s she going to be better?\u201d\u00a0 So the atmosphere in the house is very quiet and dark.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was she in bed?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 She would, if I didn\u2019t get her out of bed.\u00a0 I would at least get her out into the living room so she could lay on the couch, because, you know, that\u2019s part of the psychology.\u00a0 Don\u2019t go back into a cave, so I\u2019d bring her in.\u00a0 We\u2019d watch game shows.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, for a long time we\u2019d listen to praise music, I\u2019d sit and read Scripture to her, her brother would come over and read, and we would do that for a long time, and then we\u2019d take a break and she\u2019d watch game shows \u2013 just something that was kind of up.\u00a0 But there\u2019s no cheering up, there\u2019s no shaking this off.\u00a0 It just continues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Functionally and practically, you lost your wife for a period of time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 I asked the doctor.\u00a0 I said, \u201cIs she always going to be like this?\u201d\u00a0 And we went to counseling to get some information about what we can do.\u00a0 I told them, I said, \u201cI am here today because I want my wife back.\u00a0 What can we do?\u201d\u00a0 It was so frustrating because you never got a direct answer.\u00a0 It was always, \u201cWell, we\u2019ll try this.\u00a0 We\u2019ll see about this.\u00a0 We\u2019ll wait about this.\u201d\u00a0 That was going against everything that I am.\u00a0 I thought, \u201cYou guys are smart.\u00a0 You\u2019ve gone to school for this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Fix it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cHave better answers than that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you had to be thinking in the back of your head at some point, \u201cIf this goes on for years, what do I do?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It was the practical concerns, and that is that Chonda\u2019s career.\u00a0 She had pretty much become the breadwinner and my big role was to kind of help her with things.\u00a0 I\u2019m teaching, but that\u2019s not going to do a whole lot for our family.\u00a0 And so there was that practical concern, like we may be near the end of this.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to have to \u2013 or I\u2019m going to have to go get some other kind of job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you cancel performances because of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 We took out a big chunk of time there.\u00a0 There were about three months she did not work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have to believe that you as a man had to almost go back to your teenage years when your dad was an alcoholic and you were praying a prayer to God, asking him to sober him up.\u00a0 And that didn\u2019t happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was there a moment when, in those ninety days, in those three months, even though that\u2019s a short period of time \u2013 you had to be praying and things weren\u2019t getting better.\u00a0 Were you feeling, even though this is a totally different issue than alcoholism, were you feeling a little bit of \u201cHere we go again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, I could easily see how that could work, but my experience with my father was so powerful that I actually drew on that.\u00a0 I said, \u201cI\u2019ve done this before, and I know that God is there.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI don\u2019t understand this little bit right here.\u00a0 This has got me baffled, but I\u2019m not giving up on this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I think rather than that experience making me believe I\u2019m about to do this again and get angry at God again, it pushed me the other way.\u00a0 I said, \u201cNo, I\u2019m hanging on even tighter now because I\u2019ve come through some tough stuff and I know this will be better.\u00a0 This will pass.\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you find yourself thinking into the future and thinking, \u201cWell, maybe I\u2019ll have to find a place where they can take care of her throughout the day and somebody can look after her while I\u2019m working.\u201d\u00a0 Did you start to think about her being in a hospital somewhere?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not to that degree.\u00a0 Now we did go to the hospital, and she stayed about a week.\u00a0 You talk about tough, because I had to take her up there late at night, check her in, and she didn\u2019t want to stay, and I didn\u2019t think this was going to go well.\u00a0 But I had no choice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But she needed to stay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, there was a time \u2013 I mean, because when you get to a point where it\u2019s that dark, you start to think you shouldn\u2019t be here.\u00a0 She made statements like that to me and to our daughter, and to her counselor.\u00a0 And the moment she did, the counselor could not let her go back home, and so we had to take her somewhere that she\u2019d be safe.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turned out to be the best thing, you know.\u00a0 She called the next day and said, \u201cPlease come get me,\u201d and I said, \u201cI\u2019m going to be up there, but I can\u2019t take you home right now.\u201d\u00a0 But she began to go through group counseling, and shared with other people going through the same thing, and she started feeling like \u201cOkay, this happens to other people.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I didn\u2019t think she\u2019d like group.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t think she\u2019d want to share these dark moments with anyone else, but she loved it.\u00a0 Don\u2019t be alone, you know.\u00a0 That was the worst thing, to be alone.\u00a0 Even if it was just me in the house, it was lonely.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when she was with other people who had this shared experience, it began to heal her, and she began to talk about the experience.\u00a0 They talked about theirs and that was so comforting, that by day three she was introducing me to her new friends.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHere\u2019s so-and-so.\u00a0 He\u2019s suffering with this.\u00a0 She\u2019s got this,\u201d you know, and it was like this community, and they shared the same pain.\u00a0 So that was helpful, and she has counseled people who struggle with this, \u201cYou go find some people.\u00a0 Don\u2019t be alone.\u00a0 Don\u2019t wrestle with this by yourself.\u00a0 Your pastor can help and give you good advice, but you need to share community with others.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 If you had a husband call you today and say, \u201cDavid, my wife\u2019s right at the beginning point where Chonda was at the beginning of her journey.\u00a0 What do I do?\u201d what kind of coaching and counseling would you give him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I have had that happen, and I try to short-cut things, because we spent a lot of time and weeks and months trying to figure it out on our own, deflecting, not really accepting counsel, not really wanting to go to the group thing, not knowing if that was going to be a good idea and finding out that \u201cOh, that was the best thing that we could have done.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so I try to short-cut that real quick and say, \u201cYou find a place that counsels people with depression because they\u2019re going to know.\u00a0 They see this stuff every day; they\u2019ve probably seen thousands of these cases.\u00a0 It\u2019s not foreign to them.\u00a0 Find somebody that knows more about it than you do; find somebody that knows pretty much everything about it that we know, and tap into that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Her first battle with depression, you said, was about a three-month long period, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then she kind of came out of it, the medication helped, the counseling helped, but she relapsed years later, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 The first time she was out with her girlfriends for a weekend at a really nice hotel.\u00a0 They were doing the whole spa thing, and there was no reason to get depressed, but it hit her and she went into a tailspin, and they had to take her to the hospital.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t know \u2013 we thought it was something physical.\u00a0 That was the first time we heard about depression.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo she got on this medication and began doing better, so much better that she started to stop the medication, which is a big reason why people relapse, because you start feeling better and you think, \u201cI don\u2019t need the medicine anymore.\u201d\u00a0 Well, it\u2019s the medicine that\u2019s making you feel better, so she began to stop taking that, and that\u2019s when the relapse happened.\u00a0 And when you go back the second time, it\u2019s even a harder fall, and that\u2019s when she did that again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt took a while \u2013 the same medicine didn\u2019t help this time.\u00a0 We had to change medicines.\u00a0 I\u2019m a firm believer in that medicine now, because we tried, tried, tried and we finally found the right one \u2013 I think it was the fourth one.\u00a0 It was like a light switch had been turned on, and she was better.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe still takes her medicine; there are no side effects.\u00a0 It\u2019s the best check I write every month, and I\u2019m tempted to tip the pharmacist when I go down there.\u00a0 If this is what\u2019s keeping her mind healthy, then it\u2019s no different than a diabetic taking insulin or anyone else who has to take some kind of medication for their heart.\u00a0 If you stop taking this, the organ is going to fail, and in this case it\u2019s her brain.\u00a0 We don\u2019t want that to happen again; we\u2019re on guard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Undoubtedly there are listeners right now who haven\u2019t had the breakthrough or the medical solution, or for that matter, a spiritual solution to the depression they\u2019re facing or their spouse is facing.\u00a0 It\u2019s pretty tough, because to the person who\u2019s depressed it really is like they\u2019re in a dark valley where there is no way out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It\u2019s hopelessness.\u00a0 What would you say to the spouse in that situation, to the man or woman who\u2019s in a marriage where, man, it\u2019s looking tough for their spouse and there haven\u2019t been any answers?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 I hope that that spouse and that person is actively seeking some help.\u00a0 Chonda has been approached a lot of times by people who are like what you just described, and she\u2019ll ask them, \u201cOkay, what are you doing about it now?\u00a0 Who are you seeing?\u201d and they\u2019re like, \u201cWell, right now no one.\u201d\u00a0 I think the reality is that people will live with that, thinking that they\u2019re going to snap out of it, thinking that they\u2019re going to get that miracle.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat she tells them is \u201cMaybe that miracle is the knowledge that God gave that doctor to make that medicine, to figure out that this is what you need, and don\u2019t be afraid to take that.\u201d\u00a0 So if someone is in the midst of that and they\u2019re doing all the counseling and testing that they can, then what I would say is just hold on, because this will not last much longer.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are getting closer, as long as there is something being done.\u00a0 If there\u2019s nothing being done, then you need to get on the phone, the internet, finding a place that\u2019s close by that deals with that type of depression.\u00a0 And make some appointments, because this is not anything you need to handle alone or non-professionally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I can\u2019t help but think as a husband myself, and I\u2019ve never faced anything like this, but it\u2019s in those moments when, I think you pointed out several things that we need:\u00a0 One is you need your own unique trust in God and believe the truth about him, that he is near those who are brokenhearted.\u00a0 Secondly, you can\u2019t go through it alone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can\u2019t handle something by yourself.\u00a0 I was with a friend recently and just had a conversation with him, exhorting him and encouraging him, \u201cYou need a couple of good friends.\u00a0 You need some people who can be burden bearers, not necessarily offering a solution, but offering counsel, being a good listener, and you need to hang in there and persevere, and continue loving your spouse, the bottom line.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI appreciate your sharing your story and sharing a little bit about what you\u2019ve been through.\u00a0 I\u2019ve got to believe it\u2019s going to help some folks who may find themselves in some challenging circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 As we\u2019ve talked this week about this issue of depression, we\u2019ve heard from a lot of listeners who are in the same situation that David is in, with a spouse who is dealing with depression, and we\u2019ve heard from folks who are in the midst of it themselves, and we\u2019re glad we\u2019re able to point them to resources like Leslie Vernick\u2019s book, <em>Defeating Depression,<\/em> or Ed Welch\u2019s book, <em>A Stubborn Darkness.<\/em>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are articles on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, there\u2019s a link there to articles that talk about depression, articles that have been provided for us from the Christian Counseling and Education Foundation.\u00a0 Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the books that are available, about the articles that are available.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is also information about the book that David Pierce wrote called <em>Don\u2019t Let Me Go.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>This was the book about the time that you spent with your daughter climbing Pike\u2019s Peak together in Colorado Springs.\u00a0 That\u2019s available in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center as well.\u00a0 Again, go online at FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the resources that are available, or call us toll-free at 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d 1-800-FLTODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know that when families go through an issue like depression, oftentimes the question comes up, \u201cWhat\u2019s God doing?\u00a0 Why is he allowing this in our family?\u201d\u00a0 Or the question is, \u201cCan God really be a good God when we\u2019re hurting like this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur friend Randy Alcorn has written a helpful 64-page booklet called <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em>\u00a0 We want to make that booklet available to anyone who requests it from us this week.\u00a0 All you have to do is go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to request it, or call 1-800-FLTODAY and ask for a copy of the free booklet <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know many of you are new listeners to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 We try to make these resources available from time to time as a way to provide additional input into your lives and to let you know a little bit more about the ministry of FamilyLife.\u00a0 So if you are a new listener, call 1-800-FLTODAY, or go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, ask for your free copy of the booklet, <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em> and we\u2019ll make arrangements to send that out to you today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for today.\u00a0 Thanks for being with us.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to take a little bit of a peek into what happens at a FamilyLife<em> Weekend to Remember\u00ae<\/em> Marriage Getaway<em>.<\/em>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you have been to our <em>getaways<\/em>, and this will be a great refresher for you as we\u2019ll hear one of the messages from a<em> Weekend to Remember.<\/em>\u00a0 If you\u2019ve never been to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, here\u2019s a chance to get a sense of what goes on, what we talk about at these marriage getaways for couples.\u00a0 So I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little 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You're not alone.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2011-07-15.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 As a Christian comedian and humorist, Chonda Pierce\u2019s job was to make people laugh.\u00a0 What no one knew was that in Chonda\u2019s own life she was battling with depression, a depression that her husband, David, said was so severe something had to be done.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 When you get to a point where it\u2019s that dark, you start to think you shouldn\u2019t be here, and she made statements like that to me, and to our daughter, and to her counselor.\u00a0 And the moment she did, the counselor could not let her go back home, and so we had to take her somewhere that she\u2019d be safe.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turned out to be the best thing, you know.\u00a0 I mean, she called the next day and said, \u201cPlease come get me,\u201d and I said, \u201cI\u2019m going to be up there, but I can\u2019t take you home right now.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday, July 15<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019ll hear from David Pierce today about what it\u2019s like to walk alongside someone who is battling the darkness of depression.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 There are times in a marriage when husbands or wives are called to walk down a dark path with their spouse.\u00a0 You\u2019re not sure where you\u2019re going and it\u2019s hard to see, and it can be painful.\u00a0 But that\u2019s part of the \u2018in sickness and in health\u2019 that we signed on for when we got married.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It is.\u00a0 In fact, when we read the Scriptures in Genesis chapter two, it commands us to leave, cleave and become one.\u00a0 We have no idea what God\u2019s plan is for our lives or for our spouse\u2019s lives, and it really marks the beginning of a true adventure of two people and what God\u2019s up to in both their lives, of experiencing oneness, and not allowing circumstances to divide them.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDavid Pierce joins us here on <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 He is a professor of English at Middle Tennessee State University.\u00a0 He and his wife, Chonda, and their family live in Tennessee.\u00a0 We first of all just ought to talk about your wife, because that\u2019s really what we want to talk about here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tChonda has a unique gift and probably several of our listeners already know who she is.\u00a0 But explain that to our listeners if you would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 My wife has the gift of making people laugh.\u00a0 She\u2019s been a comedian probably for the last 15 years.\u00a0 Started out at a little park in Nashville, impersonating Minnie Pearl.\u00a0 Her life had a lot of tragic moments.\u00a0 She lost two sisters while she was in high school \u2013 one was 20, one was 15 \u2013 within 18 months.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 So when she found that job at Opryland, and she was a performer, a singer, but there was a moment in there where someone had to impersonate Minnie Pearl.\u00a0 That meant you had to come out and tell jokes, every day, six days a week, and she got that part in the midst of her still grieving.\u00a0 And so she credits comedy to really healing her, and she carried that on.\u00a0 She\u2019s a natural comedian.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You and she met in high school; 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I think that was what my attraction was, because I was having tough times and I was angry at God.\u00a0 I wanted to know, \u201cHow do you get there?\u00a0 How do you get there through what you\u2019re doing?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we became good friends through high school, on through college.\u00a0 I would make fun of whoever she was dating, she\u2019d make fun of whoever I was dating, and then there came that moment when we weren\u2019t dating anyone and it was like, \u201cYou want to go out?\u201d\u00a0 We had so much history that it just seemed like we should be together.\u00a0 We fell in love, and have been married almost 27 years now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were married to a young lady who had always been funny all of her life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 How long before you realized that there was a 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\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause we were baffled.\u00a0 We had a good home, the kids were fine and healthy, finances were great, and people would look at her and say, \u201cWhy is she so sad?\u00a0 What does she have to be sad about?\u201d\u00a0 And it\u2019s not that.\u00a0 It doesn\u2019t have to do with something that\u2019s making you sad.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere was a chemical imbalance, and we had no clue what to do.\u00a0 They ran every kind of test.\u00a0 We had a doctor friend who was praying that it was a gallbladder, because he\u2019s a surgeon.\u00a0 He wanted to take out her gallbladder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 He needed a boat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What I want to know is, when did you sense that this sadness was indeed a deep darkness?\u00a0 When did that dawn on you, or when did you come to that 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wake up crying again.\u201d\u00a0 And she would do that, every day, for about three months, and I was totally helpless.\u00a0 All I could do was bring her food, and try to get her into the living room, out of the bedroom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 David, you\u2019re a guy.\u00a0 This is the kind of thing that guys want to fix.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yeah.\u00a0 I tried.\u00a0 I would talk to the doctors.\u00a0 After we talked together, I would corner them, \u201cListen, is there anything I can do?\u00a0 Is there something I can do?\u00a0 I\u2019ll do it every minute, on the minute if I have to.\u00a0 Just tell me.\u201d\u00a0 And the answer was, \u201cNo, we just have to wait and see if this works.\u201d\u00a0 That was tough for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Talk about that three-month period and the emotional temperature of your home, and how your kids were reacting to it.\u00a0 Again, I\u2019m thinking as a husband you had to be going, \u201cLord, just deliver us from this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 My daughter was at college at that time, so she wasn\u2019t in the house, but she did come home for about a two-week period to do the same thing I was trying to do, just \u201cWhat can I do?\u00a0 What can I do to help?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur son, he just tried to stay out of the way.\u00a0 He would corner me every now and then and say, \u201cIs Mom going to be okay?\u00a0 When\u2019s she going to be better?\u201d\u00a0 So the atmosphere in the house is very quiet and dark.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was she in bed?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 She would, if I didn\u2019t get her out of bed.\u00a0 I would at least get her out into the living room so she could lay on the couch, because, you know, that\u2019s part of the psychology.\u00a0 Don\u2019t go back into a cave, so I\u2019d bring her in.\u00a0 We\u2019d watch game shows.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, for a long time we\u2019d listen to praise music, I\u2019d sit and read Scripture to her, her brother would come over and read, and we would do that for a long time, and then we\u2019d take a break and she\u2019d watch game shows \u2013 just something that was kind of up.\u00a0 But there\u2019s no cheering up, there\u2019s no shaking this off.\u00a0 It just continues.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Functionally and practically, you lost your wife for a period of time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh, yes.\u00a0 I asked the doctor.\u00a0 I said, \u201cIs she always going to be like this?\u201d\u00a0 And we went to counseling to get some information about what we can do.\u00a0 I told them, I said, \u201cI am here today because I want my wife back.\u00a0 What can we do?\u201d\u00a0 It was so frustrating because you never got a direct answer.\u00a0 It was always, \u201cWell, we\u2019ll try this.\u00a0 We\u2019ll see about this.\u00a0 We\u2019ll wait about this.\u201d\u00a0 That was going against everything that I am.\u00a0 I thought, \u201cYou guys are smart.\u00a0 You\u2019ve gone to school for this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Fix it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cHave better answers than that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you had to be thinking in the back of your head at some point, \u201cIf this goes on for years, what do I do?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It was the practical concerns, and that is that Chonda\u2019s career.\u00a0 She had pretty much become the breadwinner and my big role was to kind of help her with things.\u00a0 I\u2019m teaching, but that\u2019s not going to do a whole lot for our family.\u00a0 And so there was that practical concern, like we may be near the end of this.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to have to \u2013 or I\u2019m going to have to go get some other kind of job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you cancel performances because of this?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 We took out a big chunk of time there.\u00a0 There were about three months she did not work.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I have to believe that you as a man had to almost go back to your teenage years when your dad was an alcoholic and you were praying a prayer to God, asking him to sober him up.\u00a0 And that didn\u2019t happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was there a moment when, in those ninety days, in those three months, even though that\u2019s a short period of time \u2013 you had to be praying and things weren\u2019t getting better.\u00a0 Were you feeling, even though this is a totally different issue than alcoholism, were you feeling a little bit of \u201cHere we go again?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know, I could easily see how that could work, but my experience with my father was so powerful that I actually drew on that.\u00a0 I said, \u201cI\u2019ve done this before, and I know that God is there.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cI don\u2019t understand this little bit right here.\u00a0 This has got me baffled, but I\u2019m not giving up on this.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I think rather than that experience making me believe I\u2019m about to do this again and get angry at God again, it pushed me the other way.\u00a0 I said, \u201cNo, I\u2019m hanging on even tighter now because I\u2019ve come through some tough stuff and I know this will be better.\u00a0 This will pass.\u201d<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Did you find yourself thinking into the future and thinking, \u201cWell, maybe I\u2019ll have to find a place where they can take care of her throughout the day and somebody can look after her while I\u2019m working.\u201d\u00a0 Did you start to think about her being in a hospital somewhere?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Not to that degree.\u00a0 Now we did go to the hospital, and she stayed about a week.\u00a0 You talk about tough, because I had to take her up there late at night, check her in, and she didn\u2019t want to stay, and I didn\u2019t think this was going to go well.\u00a0 But I had no choice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 But she needed to stay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, there was a time \u2013 I mean, because when you get to a point where it\u2019s that dark, you start to think you shouldn\u2019t be here.\u00a0 She made statements like that to me and to our daughter, and to her counselor.\u00a0 And the moment she did, the counselor could not let her go back home, and so we had to take her somewhere that she\u2019d be safe.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt turned out to be the best thing, you know.\u00a0 She called the next day and said, \u201cPlease come get me,\u201d and I said, \u201cI\u2019m going to be up there, but I can\u2019t take you home right now.\u201d\u00a0 But she began to go through group counseling, and shared with other people going through the same thing, and she started feeling like \u201cOkay, this happens to other people.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause I didn\u2019t think she\u2019d like group.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t think she\u2019d want to share these dark moments with anyone else, but she loved it.\u00a0 Don\u2019t be alone, you know.\u00a0 That was the worst thing, to be alone.\u00a0 Even if it was just me in the house, it was lonely.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut when she was with other people who had this shared experience, it began to heal her, and she began to talk about the experience.\u00a0 They talked about theirs and that was so comforting, that by day three she was introducing me to her new friends.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u201cHere\u2019s so-and-so.\u00a0 He\u2019s suffering with this.\u00a0 She\u2019s got this,\u201d you know, and it was like this community, and they shared the same pain.\u00a0 So that was helpful, and she has counseled people who struggle with this, \u201cYou go find some people.\u00a0 Don\u2019t be alone.\u00a0 Don\u2019t wrestle with this by yourself.\u00a0 Your pastor can help and give you good advice, but you need to share community with others.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 If you had a husband call you today and say, \u201cDavid, my wife\u2019s right at the beginning point where Chonda was at the beginning of her journey.\u00a0 What do I do?\u201d what kind of coaching and counseling would you give him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I have had that happen, and I try to short-cut things, because we spent a lot of time and weeks and months trying to figure it out on our own, deflecting, not really accepting counsel, not really wanting to go to the group thing, not knowing if that was going to be a good idea and finding out that \u201cOh, that was the best thing that we could have done.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so I try to short-cut that real quick and say, \u201cYou find a place that counsels people with depression because they\u2019re going to know.\u00a0 They see this stuff every day; they\u2019ve probably seen thousands of these cases.\u00a0 It\u2019s not foreign to them.\u00a0 Find somebody that knows more about it than you do; find somebody that knows pretty much everything about it that we know, and tap into that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Her first battle with depression, you said, was about a three-month long period, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then she kind of came out of it, the medication helped, the counseling helped, but she relapsed years later, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 The first time she was out with her girlfriends for a weekend at a really nice hotel.\u00a0 They were doing the whole spa thing, and there was no reason to get depressed, but it hit her and she went into a tailspin, and they had to take her to the hospital.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t know \u2013 we thought it was something physical.\u00a0 That was the first time we heard about depression.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo she got on this medication and began doing better, so much better that she started to stop the medication, which is a big reason why people relapse, because you start feeling better and you think, \u201cI don\u2019t need the medicine anymore.\u201d\u00a0 Well, it\u2019s the medicine that\u2019s making you feel better, so she began to stop taking that, and that\u2019s when the relapse happened.\u00a0 And when you go back the second time, it\u2019s even a harder fall, and that\u2019s when she did that again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt took a while \u2013 the same medicine didn\u2019t help this time.\u00a0 We had to change medicines.\u00a0 I\u2019m a firm believer in that medicine now, because we tried, tried, tried and we finally found the right one \u2013 I think it was the fourth one.\u00a0 It was like a light switch had been turned on, and she was better.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tShe still takes her medicine; there are no side effects.\u00a0 It\u2019s the best check I write every month, and I\u2019m tempted to tip the pharmacist when I go down there.\u00a0 If this is what\u2019s keeping her mind healthy, then it\u2019s no different than a diabetic taking insulin or anyone else who has to take some kind of medication for their heart.\u00a0 If you stop taking this, the organ is going to fail, and in this case it\u2019s her brain.\u00a0 We don\u2019t want that to happen again; we\u2019re on guard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Undoubtedly there are listeners right now who haven\u2019t had the breakthrough or the medical solution, or for that matter, a spiritual solution to the depression they\u2019re facing or their spouse is facing.\u00a0 It\u2019s pretty tough, because to the person who\u2019s depressed it really is like they\u2019re in a dark valley where there is no way out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It\u2019s hopelessness.\u00a0 What would you say to the spouse in that situation, to the man or woman who\u2019s in a marriage where, man, it\u2019s looking tough for their spouse and there haven\u2019t been any answers?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 I hope that that spouse and that person is actively seeking some help.\u00a0 Chonda has been approached a lot of times by people who are like what you just described, and she\u2019ll ask them, \u201cOkay, what are you doing about it now?\u00a0 Who are you seeing?\u201d and they\u2019re like, \u201cWell, right now no one.\u201d\u00a0 I think the reality is that people will live with that, thinking that they\u2019re going to snap out of it, thinking that they\u2019re going to get that miracle.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat she tells them is \u201cMaybe that miracle is the knowledge that God gave that doctor to make that medicine, to figure out that this is what you need, and don\u2019t be afraid to take that.\u201d\u00a0 So if someone is in the midst of that and they\u2019re doing all the counseling and testing that they can, then what I would say is just hold on, because this will not last much longer.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou are getting closer, as long as there is something being done.\u00a0 If there\u2019s nothing being done, then you need to get on the phone, the internet, finding a place that\u2019s close by that deals with that type of depression.\u00a0 And make some appointments, because this is not anything you need to handle alone or non-professionally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I can\u2019t help but think as a husband myself, and I\u2019ve never faced anything like this, but it\u2019s in those moments when, I think you pointed out several things that we need:\u00a0 One is you need your own unique trust in God and believe the truth about him, that he is near those who are brokenhearted.\u00a0 Secondly, you can\u2019t go through it alone.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>David:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can\u2019t handle something by yourself.\u00a0 I was with a friend recently and just had a conversation with him, exhorting him and encouraging him, \u201cYou need a couple of good friends.\u00a0 You need some people who can be burden bearers, not necessarily offering a solution, but offering counsel, being a good listener, and you need to hang in there and persevere, and continue loving your spouse, the bottom line.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI appreciate your sharing your story and sharing a little bit about what you\u2019ve been through.\u00a0 I\u2019ve got to believe it\u2019s going to help some folks who may find themselves in some challenging circumstances.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 As we\u2019ve talked this week about this issue of depression, we\u2019ve heard from a lot of listeners who are in the same situation that David is in, with a spouse who is dealing with depression, and we\u2019ve heard from folks who are in the midst of it themselves, and we\u2019re glad we\u2019re able to point them to resources like Leslie Vernick\u2019s book, <em>Defeating Depression,<\/em> or Ed Welch\u2019s book, <em>A Stubborn Darkness.<\/em>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere are articles on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com, there\u2019s a link there to articles that talk about depression, articles that have been provided for us from the Christian Counseling and Education Foundation.\u00a0 Go to FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the books that are available, about the articles that are available.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere is also information about the book that David Pierce wrote called <em>Don\u2019t Let Me Go.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>This was the book about the time that you spent with your daughter climbing Pike\u2019s Peak together in Colorado Springs.\u00a0 That\u2019s available in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center as well.\u00a0 Again, go online at FamilyLifeToday.com for more information about the resources that are available, or call us toll-free at 1-800- \u201cF\u201d as in family, \u201cL\u201d as in life, and then the word, \u201cTODAY,\u201d 1-800-FLTODAY.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know that when families go through an issue like depression, oftentimes the question comes up, \u201cWhat\u2019s God doing?\u00a0 Why is he allowing this in our family?\u201d\u00a0 Or the question is, \u201cCan God really be a good God when we\u2019re hurting like this?\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur friend Randy Alcorn has written a helpful 64-page booklet called <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em>\u00a0 We want to make that booklet available to anyone who requests it from us this week.\u00a0 All you have to do is go online at FamilyLifeToday.com to request it, or call 1-800-FLTODAY and ask for a copy of the free booklet <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know many of you are new listeners to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em>\u00a0 We try to make these resources available from time to time as a way to provide additional input into your lives and to let you know a little bit more about the ministry of FamilyLife.\u00a0 So if you are a new listener, call 1-800-FLTODAY, or go online at FamilyLifeToday.com, ask for your free copy of the booklet, <em>If God is Good, Why Do We Hurt?<\/em> and we\u2019ll make arrangements to send that out to you today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd with that we\u2019ve got to wrap things up for today.\u00a0 Thanks for being with us.\u00a0 Hope you and your family are able to worship together this weekend, and I hope you can join us back on Monday when we\u2019re going to take a little bit of a peek into what happens at a FamilyLife<em> Weekend to Remember\u00ae<\/em> Marriage Getaway<em>.<\/em>\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of you have been to our <em>getaways<\/em>, and this will be a great refresher for you as we\u2019ll hear one of the messages from a<em> Weekend to Remember.<\/em>\u00a0 If you\u2019ve never been to a <em>Weekend to Remember<\/em>, here\u2019s a chance to get a sense of what goes on, what we talk about at these marriage getaways for couples.\u00a0 So I hope you can tune in for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little 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