{"id":302146,"date":"2010-11-08T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2010-11-08T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep\/"},"modified":"2010-11-08T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2010-11-08T17:00:00","slug":"a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep\/","title":{"rendered":"A Man\u2019s Call to Work and Keep"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>What do you do for a living?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2010-11-08.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"25.9M","filesize_raw":"27157806","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2837,2901],"tags":[4284,4868,4698],"podcast_series":[7766],"cwp_profile":[9215],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302146","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-fathers","category-husbands","tag-father","tag-husband","tag-manhood","podcast_series-the-masculine-mandate-gods-calling-to-men","cwp_profile-rick-phillips","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302146\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302146\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"2bvmrG0gQW\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep\/\">A Man\u2019s Call to Work and Keep<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/a-mans-call-to-work-and-keep\/embed\/#?secret=2bvmrG0gQW\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;A Man\u2019s Call to Work and Keep&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"2bvmrG0gQW\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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He causes something to come into life and he makes it grow and it\u2019s something useful and valuable.\u00a0 Most importantly, are the lives of people placed under our care, our children, our wives, our subordinates in the workplace.\u00a0 God calls men to devote themselves to the nurture, the cultivation so that good things will grow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 8th. Our host is the President of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to spend some time today talking about what the Bible teaches us about what makes a man a real man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 Do you see the scratch \u2018n stiff sticker here on the book?\u00a0 Here. Sniff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I didn\u2019t see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Here.\u00a0 Smell it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I just opened the book up and (sniff)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 It\u2019s got that testosterone smell, doesn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Looks like it\u2019s manhood time here. . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Heh, heh, heh.\u00a0 (Big sniff!)\u00a0 AHHHH!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 for you and me to pound our chests and interview a guy who is going to challenge men \u2013 all of us \u2013 to be men who fulfill the masculine mandate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Rick Phillips joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Rick, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you.\u00a0 It\u2019s great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Rick has a lot of things in his background that I think help him speak about being a man from a lot of different angles.\u00a0 He served in the Army for thirteen years; he\u2019s spent a good bit of time in education and also in the pastorate.\u00a0 He pastors Second Presbyterian Church in Greenville, South Carolina.\u00a0 I want to say something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can just say \u201cCarolina.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, no you can\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, you can\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to hear the story, here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ll give you the <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> version.\u00a0 I went to a wedding, arrived at the hotel in Greenville, South Carolina, and asked about the McCoy wedding.\u00a0 And the woman looked at me and said, \u201cSir, we don\u2019t have a McCoy wedding here tomorrow.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cAre you sure it\u2019s Greenville, <em>South<\/em> Carolina?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You knew there was a Greenville, <em>North<\/em> Carolina?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Greenville is the only city name that is in all 48 lower states.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hah!\u00a0 (Laughing)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I thought I was in the right state.\u00a0 I thought I was in the right city.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t right any way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were six hours away, weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was longer than that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think it\u2019s like eight hours and it was midnight, and there was no way I was going to drive all night.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Can\u2019t get there from here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was a good friend of his, but I was whipped at that point. It\u2019s a great illustration of how you can have all the good intentions of the world and arrive at the wrong destination.\u00a0 That really is what your book is about, <em>The Masculine Mandate.<\/em>\u00a0 It\u2019s about challenging men to have the right destination as a man.\u00a0 You begin the book with a story about a daredevil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m sitting in the barber shop, waiting my turn to get my hair cut.\u00a0 Notice I did not say \u201chair salon.\u201d\u00a0 Barber shop.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s where men go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I\u2019m reading a sports magazine and I read a story \u2013 it was actually <em>ESPN The Magazine<\/em> \u2013 and they\u2019re telling the story of Brian Deegan.\u00a0 Do you guys know who Brian Deegan is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob and<\/strong> <strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 He is the Michael Jordan of Moto X.\u00a0 This is that X-game sport where they flip the motorcycles and do all those terrifying things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was this the guy who took off across some bay in southern California and landed on a little miniature aircraft carrier of some kind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, but the person was probably inspired by him.\u00a0 And he\u2019s just the classic young hooligan, renegade X-guy.\u00a0 He formed a Moto X group ten years ago called \u201cThe Metal Mulisha.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s all Nazi tattoos and it\u2019s mayhem and violence.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, three things happened in Brian Deegan\u2019s life.\u00a0 One is, he\u2019s filming a commercial and he\u2019s doing this death-defying leap, and he crashes and virtually kills himself.\u00a0 His handlebars go through several organs, he loses as much blood as you can lose and still live.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPrior to that, he had gotten his girlfriend pregnant, and she had gone home.\u00a0 When she was home to have the baby \u2013 she decided to keep the baby \u2013 her friends took her to an evangelical church.\u00a0 Sure enough, they weren\u2019t mean people who were judgmental.\u00a0 They loved her, they led her to Christ.\u00a0 So when Deegan is injured, he goes to be with his girlfriend and she takes him to church.\u00a0 He comes to faith in Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that combination of events happens and, by the time I read this article, this hooligan hero of the Moto X scene, has become a Christian.\u00a0 Boy, isn\u2019t the new birth wonderful?\u00a0 Because he comes back with a great boldness.\u00a0 And this ESPN magazine tells the story of him doing Bible studies in the Metal Mulisha and leading them to Christ one by one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then the interview concludes with them saying to him,\u00a0 Well, like, what\u2019s going on in your life now?\u201d\u00a0 And here\u2019s where I\u2019m going.\u00a0 He has his little baby girl now in his lap and he says, \u201cDude, now I gotta figure out how to be a man,\u201d or words to that effect.\u00a0 \u201cI gotta be a father.\u00a0 I gotta be a man that she\u2019ll look up to.\u201d\u00a0 I thought to myself, \u201cThis guy needs biblical instruction.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many guys are there like this, who need biblical truth, coming out of all the confusion of our culture about what a man . . .\u00a0 And a guy like this \u2013 Nazi, tattoos, drunkenness, drugs, women and all that \u2013 he\u2019s a believer in Christ now, and here\u2019s the question:\u00a0 Will the Bible give a clear, simple, powerful answer to the question, \u201cDude, how do I become a man?\u201d\u00a0 And the answer is \u201cyes,\u201d and that\u2019s what the book is about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask you this:\u00a0 What answer is the culture giving to that question?\u00a0 If a typical guy, if a Brian Deegan is looking around saying, \u201cI\u2019m gonna be a man,\u201d how are they filling in the blanks?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think that probably there is a generational shift.\u00a0 It was the Duke when we were kids, and a kind of emotionally distant, solitary, tough guy was the cultural idea of masculinity.\u00a0 That\u2019s not biblical, either.\u00a0 As a pastor, how many 50-year-old or older people do I know who are still dealing with their emotionally-distant father who never nurtured them and all that stuff?\u00a0 Today it\u2019s just hedonism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you say that the picture that we ought to be looking at is the Genesis 2 Adam picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, when we ask ourselves the question \u2013 and I\u2019m a Bible expositor \u2013 so I always want to ask myself, not \u201cHow can I write a good book on this?\u201d but \u201cHow does the Bible teach this?\u201d\u00a0 Whenever you\u2019re dealing with any gender or relational issues, it\u2019s Genesis 2.\u00a0 On marriage, it\u2019s Genesis 2.\u00a0 On the relationship of women to men, Paul and Jesus both take us to Genesis 2.\u00a0 And then I was asked actually to speak at a number of men\u2019s retreats, so I thought, \u201cWell, let me do some work on this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was persuaded that in Genesis 2:15 we really have a \u2013 okay, I\u2019m going to use the word here \u2013 help me out \u2013 I\u2019m going to say \u2013 a paradigmatic statement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Way to go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you. It\u2019s a verse.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just a throw-away line.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just recording something that happened.\u00a0 It\u2019s like so many things in Genesis 2.\u00a0 You know, Genesis 1 is macro-creation.\u00a0 Genesis 2 is the creation of human society.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What we read in Genesis 2:15 tells us the grid that God is going to place over the man that he has made.\u00a0 It\u2019s the paradigm, it\u2019s the model, it\u2019s the mandate for what masculinity is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So Genesis 2:15 says:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cThe Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So those are the two mandates for a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Let me even back up a little bit, because it\u2019s of significance that God puts the man in the covenental context that God has designed.\u00a0 As we are learning today and as we\u2019re wrestling as a society, God\u2019s the one who created human society.\u00a0 So first you have [the fact that] that\u2019s where he\u2019s placed us.\u00a0 I want to say right there, men do not find their identity by going on wilderness trips to discover their masculine side and to serve themselves and to seek themselves.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the good news:\u00a0 Men find their identity and purpose and they bear God\u2019s image in the normal world of marriage, of the home, of the workplace, of the church, of the street that you live on.\u00a0 God calls us to be men there.\u00a0 So we don\u2019t have to be sports heroes.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have to hunt elk and drink their blood after we\u2019ve slaughtered them with our bare hands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You make it sound like gardening is where we find our masculine self, but gardening is a metaphor for the bigger creation, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 God the Father created and he calls the man to enter in as the little \u201cl\u201d lord \u2013 God\u2019s the capital \u201cL\u201d Lord \u2013 Adam\u2019s the little \u201cl\u201d lord \u2013 and He says, \u201cOkay, I want you to carry on my work.\u00a0 I made it.\u00a0 Now you cause the life to continue.\u201d\u00a0 And we go into the family business.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And he called the man to be responsible and to be accountable, to rule in that garden.\u00a0 It\u2019s interesting to me, Rick, that whatever God designs, the enemy is not long on his heels distorting the Creator\u2019s original design.\u00a0 How have men today fallen prey to the enemy in distorting this idea of a man working and keeping God\u2019s creation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, you were right about God made men to bear authority, to exercise lordship.\u00a0 Of course, the whole hedonistic, self-serving world says, \u201cInstead of taking responsibility for things and working them and keeping them, I\u2019m just going to serve my own interests.\u201d\u00a0 How many times do we see men in marriage where they just bow out of the leadership role?\u00a0 Now the masculine mandate says, \u201cI\u2019m going to give you two things to do.\u201d\u00a0 Don\u2019t you love that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I was a boy, my dad tried to teach me golf.\u00a0 He told me fourteen things, and I couldn\u2019t do it.\u00a0 \u201cKeep your head down, eyes on the ball, . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Elbows . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 elbows slightly bent . . . .\u201d Just give me a couple things, alright?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 To this day you\u2019re still no good at it, right?\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Look.\u00a0 Life is frustrating enough without golf.\u00a0 I mean, do we need golf?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What a humbling game.\u00a0 It\u2019s good for your Christian life, because . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 For your ego.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Lots of humility around golf.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I\u2019ve got enough frustration without golf.\u00a0 But as an example of how \u2013 you know the Bible consistently gives us clear, simple, direct, but profound instructions.\u00a0 Genesis 2:15 directs men to be workers and keepers.\u00a0 The work idea is one of those basic Hebrew words that is used in a lot of different contexts.\u00a0 Sometimes it means \u201cminister,\u201d \u201cserve.\u201d\u00a0 In the garden context, it\u2019s \u201cto cultivate.\u201d\u00a0 So God placed Adam in the Garden and said, \u201cI want you to exert your labor in the Garden to cause life to grow, to cause it to cultivate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what do you do?\u00a0 You plant, you water, you get your fingers dirty as you\u2019re making it come together.\u00a0 One of the two sides of the masculine mandate is that men are to be \u2013 get ready for this \u2013 nurturers.\u00a0 See, this is what John Wayne did not know \u2013 and the whole John Wayne world.\u00a0 In the book I talk about the cavalry movie, <em>She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, <\/em>and the Duke has two words:\u00a0 \u201cNever apologize.\u201d\u00a0 When I was twenty years old I saw that movie, and I was obnoxious for five years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter.)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, the Bible gives us two words, and the first one is \u201cYou\u2019re to <em>work<\/em>\u201d in the sense of being a builder and a cultivator.\u00a0 You know, it\u2019s true in the workplace.\u00a0 A real man builds something.\u00a0 He causes something to come into life, and he makes it grow, and it\u2019s something useful and valuable.\u00a0 Most importantly are the lives of people placed under our care, our children, our wives, our subordinates in the workplace.\u00a0 God calls men to devote themselves to the nurture, to the cultivation, so that good things will grow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me have you rant here for a little bit, because I could tell you do that well.\u00a0 [Speak to] the whole issue of men and work and what\u2019s going on in our culture today.\u00a0 Do young men understand the work ethic and how do we recapture that?\u00a0 Just speak to that, if you will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Why I would be happy to rant about that, Bob.\u00a0 You know, we always go from one error to another.\u00a0 It\u2019s probably true that in a prior generation, or maybe even people who are in their middle age today, work was something of an idol, that we lived for work.\u00a0 But you know, the Bible does treat us that way, that men were called to work.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say in the book that a guy can afford to be ugly, he can afford to be stupid, he can afford to be a little surly, but nobody respects a man who won\u2019t work.\u00a0 And the Bible has called men to work and to labor.\u00a0 You meet me on the plane.\u00a0 You say, \u201cWho are you?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cI\u2019m Rick Phillips.\u201d\u00a0 What\u2019s the next question?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you do?\u00a0 Now that\u2019s not wrong, because men are called to work.\u00a0 Of course, we live in a sin-cursed world where it\u2019s even made harder.\u00a0 The curse upon the man [is] \u201cby the sweat of your brow will you eat your bread.\u201d\u00a0 But I do find, Bob, that it has kind of gotten into the evangelical culture that to be a good man and a family man means that I\u2019m supposed to be home for dinner every night.\u00a0 Don\u2019t get me wrong.\u00a0 You\u2019ll hear me say, and the book certainly talks about this:\u00a0 \u201cWe need to be fully engaged in our families.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know, we\u2019ve got to work hard.\u00a0 So God placed us here to accomplish things and to be builders.\u00a0 In the Bible we use the masonry metaphor \u2013 to build the building, to build bricks \u2013 and the gardening metaphor.\u00a0 But I do think, most significantly, that God calls men to be cultivators of hearts.\u00a0 We are really being biblical men when our fingers are dirty with the soil of the hearts of our children and our wives and our friends and the people around us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Give me an illustration of what that looks like in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, one of the great examples was my father.\u00a0\u00a0 My father was an Army officer.\u00a0 He was a tank colonel, which was very cool in a number of ways.\u00a0 I fired my first tank at age ten.\u00a0 And people would say, \u201cOh, it must have been terrible to have a tank colonel . . .\u201d No, he was great!\u00a0 He was fully involved in my life.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember when I was twelve years old, my dad was in Vietnam for that entire year.\u00a0 He had been for a year previously when I was younger, but that was a big year.\u00a0 I\u2019m in sixth grade and my dad\u2019s at war.\u00a0 But I would get these letters from the battlefield.\u00a0 He, from the battlefield, would write me a note saying, \u201cSon, I want you to know how much I admire what you are doing.\u00a0 I\u2019m so proud of what you\u2019re doing.\u00a0 I heard you made a great play in the game.\u00a0 I wish I could have been there.\u201d\u00a0 Just the fact that he was involved in my life and interacting with me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe might rebuke me \u2013 \u201cDear Ricky, Your mother has told me that you\u2019ve been fighting with your brother.\u201d\u00a0 I always say that I was the younger of two boys, and when my dad went to Vietnam I remember him saying, \u201cJimmy, you\u2019re the man of the house.\u201d\u00a0 You may note that my name is not Jimmy.\u00a0 I always say both my father and my brother spent the year in guerilla warfare.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Against the rebel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I would get letters from my father, but that\u2019s just one example of how my father, who had every reason to be too busy for me, was deeply involved.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me give you another example, one I think is very important for husbands.\u00a0 Here\u2019s a question I ask husbands:\u00a0 \u201cTell me what\u2019s going on in your wife\u2019s life today.\u00a0 Tell me her schedule.\u201d\u00a0 They are clueless.\u00a0 It\u2019s not trivial information about her \u2013 you know, what song does she want to hear.\u00a0 What is your wife afraid of?\u00a0 What makes her feel beautiful?\u00a0 What is she ashamed of?\u00a0 What is the source of her anxiety?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are to know these things, and like a gardener in the garden, we are to be ministering the Word of God.\u00a0 I have three chapters on marriage in the book as we apply working and keeping.\u00a0 I apply it to different relationships.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is my job as a husband to be emotionally and spiritually nurturing my wife in a cherishing ministry that\u2019s really involved in her life, not in trite ways, but understands her struggles.\u00a0 Like a gardener, who is growing plants, it\u2019s my job as a husband to be ministering to the spiritual growth of my wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me pull you back to work, though.\u00a0 Somebody comes up to your church and they are a new couple.\u00a0 The wife says, \u201cWell, I\u2019m a physician and I work at the hospital and I have this practice.\u201d\u00a0 And the husband says, \u201cAnd with her job being so important and so good I stay home.\u00a0 I take care of the kids, and we\u2019ve found that that really works out okay for us.\u201d\u00a0 And you say what?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, we have some examples of that actually in my church.\u00a0 You know, like everything else, it all depends.\u00a0 We would not say that a woman cannot have a career.\u00a0 God may call her to that.\u00a0 If she has children she is to be a mother and she is to be faithful to her calling as a mother and as a wife.\u00a0 I will say that as our society becomes more and more flexible in job relationships, it is putting strain on the biblically-designed relationships between men and women.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to them that they need to be very intentional in obedience to Christ to relate to one another in a biblical way, irrespective of that.\u00a0 And in some cases it may not be hard.\u00a0 But there are some cases I know where they actually do it well and the man is the leader of the family and there may be a temporary reason.\u00a0 You know, a marriage is a team, and there may be times when the guy is out of work, or in his career he has to go back to school.\u00a0 Look, when I went to seminary my pregnant wife had a job.\u00a0 But it was very important \u2013 and it\u2019s difficult , that\u2019s the thing \u2013 but we need to be biblically intentional and I need to still say \u201cOkay, God\u2019s given me the authority of this home, and let me minister in your life, and let me lead you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And there\u2019s still something in the soul of the man to want to create and to work and to do what God\u2019s put him in the garden to do, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, my wife home schools five children, and I will say, \u201cHoney, if I was doing the homeschooling, sooner or later you would come home to five bloody corpses.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Testosterone, and you have estrogen . . . I mean there is a certain make-up, although I have to say, \u201cLord, bless her,\u201d because it\u2019s demanding work and she sacrificially serves our family.\u00a0 It is not easy.\u00a0 At least as a woman I think she is more equipped for that than I would be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So here you are.\u00a0 You\u2019re a student of the Bible, you\u2019ve been leading men in your church, you had a father who put you in a tank when you were ten and let you shoot it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was great.\u00a0 It was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m jealous, by the way.\u00a0 There is a man listening right now, though, who is saying, \u201cI didn\u2019t have a dad like that.\u00a0 I\u2019m not a student of the Bible yet.\u00a0 I do long to be that man who, when he looks in the mirror, he respects the man that he sees.\u201d\u00a0 Where does he start?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think first he starts with his personal relationship to the Lord and his feeding upon the Word of God.\u00a0 The strength to do any of this is going to come through the Holy Spirit as we walk with God, so we always need to be building ourselves up as men in the sense of being disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 So I would say to that man, \u201cStart building yourself up as a Christian. Go to a church that preaches the Word very clearly and has godly worship.\u00a0 Start reading your Bible daily.\u00a0 Start praying and growing.\u201d\u00a0 But then I will say, \u201cGod does call you to be a worker and a keeper.\u00a0 Start taking an interest in the well-being \u2013 the emotional, spiritual well-being -- of people you know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe you\u2019re not married.\u00a0 Find someone that you can minister to.\u00a0 Get involved, and you will find masculinity.\u00a0 You know, a real man is a tender man who has his arm around somebody\u2019s shoulder and is building them up.\u00a0 I would say in terms of the working side, especially, I hope that the book helps to show how Genesis 2:15 gives a very clear and direct mandate and these are things that we need to start doing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven if you had the best of fathers \u2013 and I really was blessed with a great father \u2013 it was the Word of God that really taught me.\u00a0 I was raised in a church-going family, but it was still the Word of God that had to give me direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 My encouragement for a man would be to do everything you just said plus one thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What\u2019s that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Find a man who models 1 Corinthians 16:13-14: \u201cBe watchful; stand firm in the faith; act like men; be strong; let all that you do be done in love.\u201d\u00a0 Find a man who is both tough and tender, who knows how to be a man in the biblical sense of the word, and is comfortable with his skin and would put his arm around you as a younger man and coach you and encourage you and pick you up when you fall, and build into your life to help you become the man that God created you to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the most powerful parts of the church is the mentoring that can occur up close and personal, man-to-man, heart-to-heart.\u00a0 Bob, as you talked about it, opening some books like Rick\u2019s book together and smelling the testosterone (sniff) right there in the middle of the book . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m just thinking \u2013 if you got together with either another guy or a group of guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m getting together with a group of guys from church.\u00a0 We\u2019re going through this book every other week, a couple of chapters at a time, having a great conversation about the themes that are in this book.\u00a0 It\u2019s helping us think more biblically about our assignment.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s given us courage as men to be the kind of men, husbands and fathers that God has called us to be in his Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of Rick\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> resource center.\u00a0 You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com and find out more about <em>The Masculine Mandate<\/em> by Rick Phillips.\u00a0 Again the title is <em>The Masculine Mandate<\/em> and you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy or to order from us online.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou could also call 1-800-FL-TODAY to find out more about the book or to order a copy;\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a01-800-358-6329, that's 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in Life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Or again, if it\u2019s easier, just go online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say this is a strategic time of year for us here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 Over the next couple of months the donations that we receive will, in large measure, determine the kind of ministry we\u2019ll be able to do in the year 2011.\u00a0 It\u2019s during November and December when many of our listeners either go online or call us to make a year-end contribution for this ministry.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I want to ask you to pray for us; 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He causes something to come into life and he makes it grow and it\u2019s something useful and valuable.\u00a0 Most importantly, are the lives of people placed under our care, our children, our wives, our subordinates in the workplace.\u00a0 God calls men to devote themselves to the nurture, the cultivation so that good things will grow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Monday, November 8th. Our host is the President of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We\u2019re going to spend some time today talking about what the Bible teaches us about what makes a man a real man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 Do you see the scratch \u2018n stiff sticker here on the book?\u00a0 Here. Sniff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I didn\u2019t see that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Here.\u00a0 Smell it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I just opened the book up and (sniff)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 It\u2019s got that testosterone smell, doesn\u2019t it?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Looks like it\u2019s manhood time here. . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Heh, heh, heh.\u00a0 (Big sniff!)\u00a0 AHHHH!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 for you and me to pound our chests and interview a guy who is going to challenge men \u2013 all of us \u2013 to be men who fulfill the masculine mandate.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Rick Phillips joins us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Rick, welcome to the broadcast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you.\u00a0 It\u2019s great to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Rick has a lot of things in his background that I think help him speak about being a man from a lot of different angles.\u00a0 He served in the Army for thirteen years; he\u2019s spent a good bit of time in education and also in the pastorate.\u00a0 He pastors Second Presbyterian Church in Greenville, South Carolina.\u00a0 I want to say something.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 You can just say \u201cCarolina.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, no you can\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, you can\u2019t.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to hear the story, here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019ll give you the <em>Reader\u2019s Digest<\/em> version.\u00a0 I went to a wedding, arrived at the hotel in Greenville, South Carolina, and asked about the McCoy wedding.\u00a0 And the woman looked at me and said, \u201cSir, we don\u2019t have a McCoy wedding here tomorrow.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cAre you sure it\u2019s Greenville, <em>South<\/em> Carolina?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You knew there was a Greenville, <em>North<\/em> Carolina?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Greenville is the only city name that is in all 48 lower states.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Hah!\u00a0 (Laughing)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I thought I was in the right state.\u00a0 I thought I was in the right city.\u00a0 I wasn\u2019t right any way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were six hours away, weren\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was longer than that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think it\u2019s like eight hours and it was midnight, and there was no way I was going to drive all night.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Can\u2019t get there from here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was a good friend of his, but I was whipped at that point. It\u2019s a great illustration of how you can have all the good intentions of the world and arrive at the wrong destination.\u00a0 That really is what your book is about, <em>The Masculine Mandate.<\/em>\u00a0 It\u2019s about challenging men to have the right destination as a man.\u00a0 You begin the book with a story about a daredevil.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m sitting in the barber shop, waiting my turn to get my hair cut.\u00a0 Notice I did not say \u201chair salon.\u201d\u00a0 Barber shop.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s where men go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 And I\u2019m reading a sports magazine and I read a story \u2013 it was actually <em>ESPN The Magazine<\/em> \u2013 and they\u2019re telling the story of Brian Deegan.\u00a0 Do you guys know who Brian Deegan is?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob and<\/strong> <strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 He is the Michael Jordan of Moto X.\u00a0 This is that X-game sport where they flip the motorcycles and do all those terrifying things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Was this the guy who took off across some bay in southern California and landed on a little miniature aircraft carrier of some kind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, but the person was probably inspired by him.\u00a0 And he\u2019s just the classic young hooligan, renegade X-guy.\u00a0 He formed a Moto X group ten years ago called \u201cThe Metal Mulisha.\u201d\u00a0 It\u2019s all Nazi tattoos and it\u2019s mayhem and violence.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, three things happened in Brian Deegan\u2019s life.\u00a0 One is, he\u2019s filming a commercial and he\u2019s doing this death-defying leap, and he crashes and virtually kills himself.\u00a0 His handlebars go through several organs, he loses as much blood as you can lose and still live.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tPrior to that, he had gotten his girlfriend pregnant, and she had gone home.\u00a0 When she was home to have the baby \u2013 she decided to keep the baby \u2013 her friends took her to an evangelical church.\u00a0 Sure enough, they weren\u2019t mean people who were judgmental.\u00a0 They loved her, they led her to Christ.\u00a0 So when Deegan is injured, he goes to be with his girlfriend and she takes him to church.\u00a0 He comes to faith in Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that combination of events happens and, by the time I read this article, this hooligan hero of the Moto X scene, has become a Christian.\u00a0 Boy, isn\u2019t the new birth wonderful?\u00a0 Because he comes back with a great boldness.\u00a0 And this ESPN magazine tells the story of him doing Bible studies in the Metal Mulisha and leading them to Christ one by one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 And then the interview concludes with them saying to him,\u00a0 Well, like, what\u2019s going on in your life now?\u201d\u00a0 And here\u2019s where I\u2019m going.\u00a0 He has his little baby girl now in his lap and he says, \u201cDude, now I gotta figure out how to be a man,\u201d or words to that effect.\u00a0 \u201cI gotta be a father.\u00a0 I gotta be a man that she\u2019ll look up to.\u201d\u00a0 I thought to myself, \u201cThis guy needs biblical instruction.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow many guys are there like this, who need biblical truth, coming out of all the confusion of our culture about what a man . . .\u00a0 And a guy like this \u2013 Nazi, tattoos, drunkenness, drugs, women and all that \u2013 he\u2019s a believer in Christ now, and here\u2019s the question:\u00a0 Will the Bible give a clear, simple, powerful answer to the question, \u201cDude, how do I become a man?\u201d\u00a0 And the answer is \u201cyes,\u201d and that\u2019s what the book is about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me ask you this:\u00a0 What answer is the culture giving to that question?\u00a0 If a typical guy, if a Brian Deegan is looking around saying, \u201cI\u2019m gonna be a man,\u201d how are they filling in the blanks?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think that probably there is a generational shift.\u00a0 It was the Duke when we were kids, and a kind of emotionally distant, solitary, tough guy was the cultural idea of masculinity.\u00a0 That\u2019s not biblical, either.\u00a0 As a pastor, how many 50-year-old or older people do I know who are still dealing with their emotionally-distant father who never nurtured them and all that stuff?\u00a0 Today it\u2019s just hedonism.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And you say that the picture that we ought to be looking at is the Genesis 2 Adam picture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, when we ask ourselves the question \u2013 and I\u2019m a Bible expositor \u2013 so I always want to ask myself, not \u201cHow can I write a good book on this?\u201d but \u201cHow does the Bible teach this?\u201d\u00a0 Whenever you\u2019re dealing with any gender or relational issues, it\u2019s Genesis 2.\u00a0 On marriage, it\u2019s Genesis 2.\u00a0 On the relationship of women to men, Paul and Jesus both take us to Genesis 2.\u00a0 And then I was asked actually to speak at a number of men\u2019s retreats, so I thought, \u201cWell, let me do some work on this.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was persuaded that in Genesis 2:15 we really have a \u2013 okay, I\u2019m going to use the word here \u2013 help me out \u2013 I\u2019m going to say \u2013 a paradigmatic statement.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Way to go!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you. It\u2019s a verse.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just a throw-away line.\u00a0 It\u2019s not just recording something that happened.\u00a0 It\u2019s like so many things in Genesis 2.\u00a0 You know, Genesis 1 is macro-creation.\u00a0 Genesis 2 is the creation of human society.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What we read in Genesis 2:15 tells us the grid that God is going to place over the man that he has made.\u00a0 It\u2019s the paradigm, it\u2019s the model, it\u2019s the mandate for what masculinity is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So Genesis 2:15 says:\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 \u201cThe Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and keep it.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So those are the two mandates for a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Let me even back up a little bit, because it\u2019s of significance that God puts the man in the covenental context that God has designed.\u00a0 As we are learning today and as we\u2019re wrestling as a society, God\u2019s the one who created human society.\u00a0 So first you have [the fact that] that\u2019s where he\u2019s placed us.\u00a0 I want to say right there, men do not find their identity by going on wilderness trips to discover their masculine side and to serve themselves and to seek themselves.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere\u2019s the good news:\u00a0 Men find their identity and purpose and they bear God\u2019s image in the normal world of marriage, of the home, of the workplace, of the church, of the street that you live on.\u00a0 God calls us to be men there.\u00a0 So we don\u2019t have to be sports heroes.\u00a0 We don\u2019t have to hunt elk and drink their blood after we\u2019ve slaughtered them with our bare hands.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You make it sound like gardening is where we find our masculine self, but gardening is a metaphor for the bigger creation, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 God the Father created and he calls the man to enter in as the little \u201cl\u201d lord \u2013 God\u2019s the capital \u201cL\u201d Lord \u2013 Adam\u2019s the little \u201cl\u201d lord \u2013 and He says, \u201cOkay, I want you to carry on my work.\u00a0 I made it.\u00a0 Now you cause the life to continue.\u201d\u00a0 And we go into the family business.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 And he called the man to be responsible and to be accountable, to rule in that garden.\u00a0 It\u2019s interesting to me, Rick, that whatever God designs, the enemy is not long on his heels distorting the Creator\u2019s original design.\u00a0 How have men today fallen prey to the enemy in distorting this idea of a man working and keeping God\u2019s creation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, you were right about God made men to bear authority, to exercise lordship.\u00a0 Of course, the whole hedonistic, self-serving world says, \u201cInstead of taking responsibility for things and working them and keeping them, I\u2019m just going to serve my own interests.\u201d\u00a0 How many times do we see men in marriage where they just bow out of the leadership role?\u00a0 Now the masculine mandate says, \u201cI\u2019m going to give you two things to do.\u201d\u00a0 Don\u2019t you love that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I was a boy, my dad tried to teach me golf.\u00a0 He told me fourteen things, and I couldn\u2019t do it.\u00a0 \u201cKeep your head down, eyes on the ball, . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Elbows . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 elbows slightly bent . . . .\u201d Just give me a couple things, alright?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 To this day you\u2019re still no good at it, right?\u00a0 (Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Look.\u00a0 Life is frustrating enough without golf.\u00a0 I mean, do we need golf?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 What a humbling game.\u00a0 It\u2019s good for your Christian life, because . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 For your ego.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Lots of humility around golf.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I\u2019ve got enough frustration without golf.\u00a0 But as an example of how \u2013 you know the Bible consistently gives us clear, simple, direct, but profound instructions.\u00a0 Genesis 2:15 directs men to be workers and keepers.\u00a0 The work idea is one of those basic Hebrew words that is used in a lot of different contexts.\u00a0 Sometimes it means \u201cminister,\u201d \u201cserve.\u201d\u00a0 In the garden context, it\u2019s \u201cto cultivate.\u201d\u00a0 So God placed Adam in the Garden and said, \u201cI want you to exert your labor in the Garden to cause life to grow, to cause it to cultivate.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo what do you do?\u00a0 You plant, you water, you get your fingers dirty as you\u2019re making it come together.\u00a0 One of the two sides of the masculine mandate is that men are to be \u2013 get ready for this \u2013 nurturers.\u00a0 See, this is what John Wayne did not know \u2013 and the whole John Wayne world.\u00a0 In the book I talk about the cavalry movie, <em>She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, <\/em>and the Duke has two words:\u00a0 \u201cNever apologize.\u201d\u00a0 When I was twenty years old I saw that movie, and I was obnoxious for five years. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter.)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, the Bible gives us two words, and the first one is \u201cYou\u2019re to <em>work<\/em>\u201d in the sense of being a builder and a cultivator.\u00a0 You know, it\u2019s true in the workplace.\u00a0 A real man builds something.\u00a0 He causes something to come into life, and he makes it grow, and it\u2019s something useful and valuable.\u00a0 Most importantly are the lives of people placed under our care, our children, our wives, our subordinates in the workplace.\u00a0 God calls men to devote themselves to the nurture, to the cultivation, so that good things will grow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me have you rant here for a little bit, because I could tell you do that well.\u00a0 [Speak to] the whole issue of men and work and what\u2019s going on in our culture today.\u00a0 Do young men understand the work ethic and how do we recapture that?\u00a0 Just speak to that, if you will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Why I would be happy to rant about that, Bob.\u00a0 You know, we always go from one error to another.\u00a0 It\u2019s probably true that in a prior generation, or maybe even people who are in their middle age today, work was something of an idol, that we lived for work.\u00a0 But you know, the Bible does treat us that way, that men were called to work.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI say in the book that a guy can afford to be ugly, he can afford to be stupid, he can afford to be a little surly, but nobody respects a man who won\u2019t work.\u00a0 And the Bible has called men to work and to labor.\u00a0 You meet me on the plane.\u00a0 You say, \u201cWho are you?\u201d\u00a0 \u201cI\u2019m Rick Phillips.\u201d\u00a0 What\u2019s the next question?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What do you do?\u00a0 Now that\u2019s not wrong, because men are called to work.\u00a0 Of course, we live in a sin-cursed world where it\u2019s even made harder.\u00a0 The curse upon the man [is] \u201cby the sweat of your brow will you eat your bread.\u201d\u00a0 But I do find, Bob, that it has kind of gotten into the evangelical culture that to be a good man and a family man means that I\u2019m supposed to be home for dinner every night.\u00a0 Don\u2019t get me wrong.\u00a0 You\u2019ll hear me say, and the book certainly talks about this:\u00a0 \u201cWe need to be fully engaged in our families.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut you know, we\u2019ve got to work hard.\u00a0 So God placed us here to accomplish things and to be builders.\u00a0 In the Bible we use the masonry metaphor \u2013 to build the building, to build bricks \u2013 and the gardening metaphor.\u00a0 But I do think, most significantly, that God calls men to be cultivators of hearts.\u00a0 We are really being biblical men when our fingers are dirty with the soil of the hearts of our children and our wives and our friends and the people around us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Give me an illustration of what that looks like in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 For me, one of the great examples was my father.\u00a0\u00a0 My father was an Army officer.\u00a0 He was a tank colonel, which was very cool in a number of ways.\u00a0 I fired my first tank at age ten.\u00a0 And people would say, \u201cOh, it must have been terrible to have a tank colonel . . .\u201d No, he was great!\u00a0 He was fully involved in my life.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut I remember when I was twelve years old, my dad was in Vietnam for that entire year.\u00a0 He had been for a year previously when I was younger, but that was a big year.\u00a0 I\u2019m in sixth grade and my dad\u2019s at war.\u00a0 But I would get these letters from the battlefield.\u00a0 He, from the battlefield, would write me a note saying, \u201cSon, I want you to know how much I admire what you are doing.\u00a0 I\u2019m so proud of what you\u2019re doing.\u00a0 I heard you made a great play in the game.\u00a0 I wish I could have been there.\u201d\u00a0 Just the fact that he was involved in my life and interacting with me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe might rebuke me \u2013 \u201cDear Ricky, Your mother has told me that you\u2019ve been fighting with your brother.\u201d\u00a0 I always say that I was the younger of two boys, and when my dad went to Vietnam I remember him saying, \u201cJimmy, you\u2019re the man of the house.\u201d\u00a0 You may note that my name is not Jimmy.\u00a0 I always say both my father and my brother spent the year in guerilla warfare.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Against the rebel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 I would get letters from my father, but that\u2019s just one example of how my father, who had every reason to be too busy for me, was deeply involved.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me give you another example, one I think is very important for husbands.\u00a0 Here\u2019s a question I ask husbands:\u00a0 \u201cTell me what\u2019s going on in your wife\u2019s life today.\u00a0 Tell me her schedule.\u201d\u00a0 They are clueless.\u00a0 It\u2019s not trivial information about her \u2013 you know, what song does she want to hear.\u00a0 What is your wife afraid of?\u00a0 What makes her feel beautiful?\u00a0 What is she ashamed of?\u00a0 What is the source of her anxiety?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are to know these things, and like a gardener in the garden, we are to be ministering the Word of God.\u00a0 I have three chapters on marriage in the book as we apply working and keeping.\u00a0 I apply it to different relationships.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is my job as a husband to be emotionally and spiritually nurturing my wife in a cherishing ministry that\u2019s really involved in her life, not in trite ways, but understands her struggles.\u00a0 Like a gardener, who is growing plants, it\u2019s my job as a husband to be ministering to the spiritual growth of my wife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Let me pull you back to work, though.\u00a0 Somebody comes up to your church and they are a new couple.\u00a0 The wife says, \u201cWell, I\u2019m a physician and I work at the hospital and I have this practice.\u201d\u00a0 And the husband says, \u201cAnd with her job being so important and so good I stay home.\u00a0 I take care of the kids, and we\u2019ve found that that really works out okay for us.\u201d\u00a0 And you say what?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, we have some examples of that actually in my church.\u00a0 You know, like everything else, it all depends.\u00a0 We would not say that a woman cannot have a career.\u00a0 God may call her to that.\u00a0 If she has children she is to be a mother and she is to be faithful to her calling as a mother and as a wife.\u00a0 I will say that as our society becomes more and more flexible in job relationships, it is putting strain on the biblically-designed relationships between men and women.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI would say to them that they need to be very intentional in obedience to Christ to relate to one another in a biblical way, irrespective of that.\u00a0 And in some cases it may not be hard.\u00a0 But there are some cases I know where they actually do it well and the man is the leader of the family and there may be a temporary reason.\u00a0 You know, a marriage is a team, and there may be times when the guy is out of work, or in his career he has to go back to school.\u00a0 Look, when I went to seminary my pregnant wife had a job.\u00a0 But it was very important \u2013 and it\u2019s difficult , that\u2019s the thing \u2013 but we need to be biblically intentional and I need to still say \u201cOkay, God\u2019s given me the authority of this home, and let me minister in your life, and let me lead you.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And there\u2019s still something in the soul of the man to want to create and to work and to do what God\u2019s put him in the garden to do, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, my wife home schools five children, and I will say, \u201cHoney, if I was doing the homeschooling, sooner or later you would come home to five bloody corpses.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(Laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Testosterone, and you have estrogen . . . I mean there is a certain make-up, although I have to say, \u201cLord, bless her,\u201d because it\u2019s demanding work and she sacrificially serves our family.\u00a0 It is not easy.\u00a0 At least as a woman I think she is more equipped for that than I would be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 So here you are.\u00a0 You\u2019re a student of the Bible, you\u2019ve been leading men in your church, you had a father who put you in a tank when you were ten and let you shoot it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 It was great.\u00a0 It was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m jealous, by the way.\u00a0 There is a man listening right now, though, who is saying, \u201cI didn\u2019t have a dad like that.\u00a0 I\u2019m not a student of the Bible yet.\u00a0 I do long to be that man who, when he looks in the mirror, he respects the man that he sees.\u201d\u00a0 Where does he start?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I think first he starts with his personal relationship to the Lord and his feeding upon the Word of God.\u00a0 The strength to do any of this is going to come through the Holy Spirit as we walk with God, so we always need to be building ourselves up as men in the sense of being disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 So I would say to that man, \u201cStart building yourself up as a Christian. Go to a church that preaches the Word very clearly and has godly worship.\u00a0 Start reading your Bible daily.\u00a0 Start praying and growing.\u201d\u00a0 But then I will say, \u201cGod does call you to be a worker and a keeper.\u00a0 Start taking an interest in the well-being \u2013 the emotional, spiritual well-being -- of people you know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMaybe you\u2019re not married.\u00a0 Find someone that you can minister to.\u00a0 Get involved, and you will find masculinity.\u00a0 You know, a real man is a tender man who has his arm around somebody\u2019s shoulder and is building them up.\u00a0 I would say in terms of the working side, especially, I hope that the book helps to show how Genesis 2:15 gives a very clear and direct mandate and these are things that we need to start doing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tEven if you had the best of fathers \u2013 and I really was blessed with a great father \u2013 it was the Word of God that really taught me.\u00a0 I was raised in a church-going family, but it was still the Word of God that had to give me direction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 My encouragement for a man would be to do everything you just said plus one thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong>\u00a0 What\u2019s that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Find a man who models 1 Corinthians 16:13-14: \u201cBe watchful; stand firm in the faith; act like men; be strong; let all that you do be done in love.\u201d\u00a0 Find a man who is both tough and tender, who knows how to be a man in the biblical sense of the word, and is comfortable with his skin and would put his arm around you as a younger man and coach you and encourage you and pick you up when you fall, and build into your life to help you become the man that God created you to be. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think one of the most powerful parts of the church is the mentoring that can occur up close and personal, man-to-man, heart-to-heart.\u00a0 Bob, as you talked about it, opening some books like Rick\u2019s book together and smelling the testosterone (sniff) right there in the middle of the book . . .\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m just thinking \u2013 if you got together with either another guy or a group of guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I\u2019m getting together with a group of guys from church.\u00a0 We\u2019re going through this book every other week, a couple of chapters at a time, having a great conversation about the themes that are in this book.\u00a0 It\u2019s helping us think more biblically about our assignment.\u00a0 I think it\u2019s given us courage as men to be the kind of men, husbands and fathers that God has called us to be in his Word. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of Rick\u2019s book in our <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> resource center.\u00a0 You can go online at FamilyLifeToday.com and find out more about <em>The Masculine Mandate<\/em> by Rick Phillips.\u00a0 Again the title is <em>The Masculine Mandate<\/em> and you can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy or to order from us online.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou could also call 1-800-FL-TODAY to find out more about the book or to order a copy;\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a01-800-358-6329, that's 1-800 \u201cF\u201d as in Family, \u201cL\u201d as in Life, and then the word \u201cTODAY.\u201d\u00a0 Or again, if it\u2019s easier, just go online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me just say this is a strategic time of year for us here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 Over the next couple of months the donations that we receive will, in large measure, determine the kind of ministry we\u2019ll be able to do in the year 2011.\u00a0 It\u2019s during November and December when many of our listeners either go online or call us to make a year-end contribution for this ministry.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I want to ask you to pray for us; 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