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3:16 says \u201cAll Scripture is inspired and profitable for a variety of things.\u201d\u00a0 Michael Emlet says that\u2019s true, but we got to be careful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet<\/strong>:\u00a0 Wherever you are in Scripture you want to ask the question how does this give a different perspective, a different gaze on my life?\u00a0 We need to use wisdom as we study the Scriptures, as we apply it to our life and to other people\u2019s lives.\u00a0 If we are straining to make a connection there\u2019s probably a different place that God may have us go.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob<\/strong>:\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Friday October 1<sup>st<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey.\u00a0 And I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 You may find yourself surprised today to find out that more of the Bible applies to more of the issues you face in your life than you realized before.\u00a0 We will talk about that. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You have heard of people who seeking wisdom on a particular life issue will go and just kind of flop open the Bible and keep their eyes closed and point to a verse, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 No doubt.\u00a0 There have been some great stories about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I heard a pastor one time who said somebody looking for wisdom in a situation like that flopped open the Bible and pointed to a verse and it said, Judas went out and hanged himself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That\u2019s right.\u00a0 That\u2019s what I was thinking of.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob<\/strong>:\u00a0 Then the person said, well I can't be right.\u00a0 So he flopped it open again and it said \u201cGo and do likewise\u201d and he said, well I can't be right.\u00a0 And then he flopped it open again said \u201cThou what you do, do quickly\u201d so he figured the Bible didn\u2019t have any wisdom for me on this particular issue.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well, we have got a guest here who is going to help us know how to approach the scripture.\u00a0 The book is called <em>CrossTalk<\/em> and is subtitled <em>Where Life and Scripture Meet<\/em> and it is written by Michael Emlet.\u00a0 Michael, welcome back to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong> Thank you for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Michael is a counselor, a teacher, an author, and he is the husband of one, father of two and he lives near Philly.\u00a0 He has written a book really that is designed to really equip us to better approach the scriptures.\u00a0 I think it would be good, if you\u2019d just explain to listeners what your goal is for why you wrote this book in the first place. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 I wrote the book because the scriptures are designed to be applied to life, and the Bible has practical theology in that sense.\u00a0 I wanted to help readers be able to connect, make relevant connections between the scriptures and their lives.\u00a0 I think that can be easier said than done.\u00a0 So I wanted to explore the challenge of doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 One of the things that I thought was helpful in book is you talk about three different kinds of people who you will either be talking to or you may be one of these people as you read the Bible.\u00a0 It gives you a frame of reference for how you have to understand what the Bible is saying.\u00a0 Explain what that looks like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, I think that God approaches his people in Scripture in three ways really.\u00a0 They really describe our experience this side of glory and that is the categories of saint, sufferer, and sinner.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think another way of saying that is that every person you meet is wrestling with two issues.\u00a0 The issue of identity and purpose\u2014who am I and what is my purpose in life?\u00a0 And the issue of evil--That\u2019s evil from without that is evil that happens to us suffering and evil within, that is sin.\u00a0 So I think God when he speaks his word he is speaking to his people in those categories.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You tell the story of a couple in your book who kind of become paradigmatic for who we are and how we approach the scriptures.\u00a0 I thought again this was helpful to help us go from a concept on how we are to read the scriptures to a case study of how the scriptures apply in a particular couple\u2019s life.\u00a0 Tell that story, will you? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Sure, the story is about Tom and his wife.\u00a0 Tom has struggled off and on for many years with pornography.\u00a0 Their relationship started in a difficult place with him getting involved sexually before marriage but they did get married, but they have had lot of ups and downs.\u00a0 And so once more, he struggled again and they are on the brink of divorce.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe question is how do you bring the scriptures to bear on their situation?\u00a0 How do you help Tom?\u00a0 Let\u2019s say you are working primarily with Tom.\u00a0 How do you help him?\u00a0 He is discouraged.\u00a0 He feels like a failure.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 He feels like is there really any hope for this marriage and where do you go?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now let me interrupt you, because I think a lot of people would hear that story and they\u2019d go, okay where do I go?\u00a0 I need to go to the passages that deal with sexual lust.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I think there is one in Thessalonians that I need to go to and maybe another one that I can think of where we will have him memorize these passages on lust because that\u2019s the issue.\u00a0 It's got a lust issue, so anything wrong with that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No, there isn\u2019t but I would say and what else?\u00a0 What more can we help him with because again using these categories we were just talking about saint, sufferer, and sinner, I want to be thinking in those categories.\u00a0 I want to be thinking how can I help ground his identity in Jesus Christ?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay, that\u2019s the saint aspect.\u00a0 He is also suffering, even though he has certainly been the cause of a lot of suffering in his life and in his marriage.\u00a0 God still approaches sufferers who are suffering as a result of their sin with compassion and grace.\u00a0 So how does God speak to the sufferer?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd yes, then you highlight, Bob, the sin aspect of this, the sexual lust aspect.\u00a0 It's appropriate to go to passages as you describe like 1 Corinthian 6.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think that\u2019s really interesting, because why is it that I instinctively went right to the sinner thing and skipped right over the saint and sufferer?\u00a0 Why do I do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well I think we have a natural tendency probably to be unbalanced in one of those three areas.\u00a0 Some people might have the tendency to overlook sin and simply focus on the suffering aspect or the fact that he is a son of God and that\u2019s where you need to camp out and really minimize the sin and the impact in his marriage which is a real and devastating impact.\u00a0 So I think our natural tendency is to gravitate towards one of those three and become unbalanced in a way we bring the scriptures to people. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You were kind not to say that I went there because I am a self-righteous Pharisee but I appreciate it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It takes one to know one.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I wasn\u2019t thinking that Bob about you, I was just thinking we want to fix it.\u00a0 We just want to fix it.\u00a0 I think many times we don\u2019t pull back to the big picture as you talk about this young man in your book that he is a redeemed follower of Christ.\u00a0 Yes, he has trusted Christ for the forgiveness of his sins.\u00a0 He is a child of God and that he slipped and fallen again.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe Bible is full of these stories but what you want us to be reminded of is our identity in Christ to take some heart that you know there has been grace in your life in the past, there needs to be grace in your life today.\u00a0 So as we do move toward the solution we can talk about the solution in the context of the big picture. God loves you and he is not kicking you out of the family just because you made a mistake or have a series of mistakes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in Tom\u2019s situation, what you are ultimately trying to move him to is to see God in the midst of his pain.\u00a0 To repent and turn from his selfishness and turn back to God and yield back to him again.\u00a0 You are ultimately calling him away from the complainer and the one who doesn\u2019t see God working in the situation, to being a man who can see God working in his life in his situation today.\u00a0 Isn\u2019t that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>That\u2019s exactly right.\u00a0 In other words, how does a God-shaped perspective help him?\u00a0 He is very much moving toward a self-oriented perspective, possibly hopelessness, self pity as opposed to seeing, no, God is active.\u00a0 That actually allows him to look at his sin full in the face and to find grace and mercy in his time of need and turn to Christ and repent and have hope for change.\u00a0 And to be assured that God is with him in the midst of that change and that suffering not only in his own life, but what he has brought on to his family as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You indicate in the beginning of your book that you wrote your book for three reasons, to remind us that the Bible is about introducing us to God and reminding us that he wants a relationship with us.\u00a0 Secondly, that the scriptures teach us how to relate to other people and the third one is about how we can minister to others.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you used an illustration of a woman by the name of Natalie, who is a single woman in midlife who comes to you for advice.\u00a0 Explain what she was looking for in terms of how she could apply the scriptures to her situation?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Sure.\u00a0 She is a physician working in an inner city clinic who is a strong believer.\u00a0 She has a longstanding relationship with God and basically over time has come to doubt her impact that she is having in this place of service.\u00a0 She is wondering is it time to leave and should I pursue fulltime ministry in a church setting?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think as I approach her, I would ask, okay how is she already evidencing the grace of God in her life?\u00a0 That\u2019s that saint aspect.\u00a0 Where is she suffering?\u00a0 Well that to me seems to be one of the big things that stands out, not the sin in her life, but the fact that she is laboring and has become weary in well-doing.\u00a0 But really and I do this in the book, you could go to any passage, so I choose Haggai Chapter 2: 1-9 which again on the surface of things says nothing about her situation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 That\u2019s the part where it's talking about the temple walls aren\u2019t constructed and yet people are putting up panels in their own den while the temple is in shambles, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, the context of the book of Haggai is that God\u2019s people have returned from exile.\u00a0 God asked them to rebuild the temple.\u00a0 They get distracted.\u00a0 They finally get back to it but as it is going up, they are realizing this isn\u2019t anything like Solomon\u2019s temple.\u00a0 They start to become discouraged.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGod promises a greater glory will come to that temple in the future.\u00a0 That greater glory ultimately is Jesus Christ that\u2019s where that ultimately goes.\u00a0 I think for someone like Natalie that could be a great passage to help her to see you may not see everything right now, but God is at work and he will be bringing greater glory and the proof of that is in his Son Jesus Christ.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 When you were talking about Natalie, I thought of the Prophet Isaiah who I think God said to him, preach to the people who will not listen to you and I thought well that\u2019s a calling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis<\/strong>:\u00a0 That\u2019s a cruel assignment.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob<\/strong>:\u00a0 That really is.\u00a0 You go for how long?\u00a0 You are going to be faithful and you are going to just look and go, this is an exercise in futility.\u00a0 The only reason I am doing it is out of faithfulness to God, but I am going to see no fruit for my labor that\u2019s a little of what Natalie was feeling, isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Exactly.\u00a0 She is not seeing that payoff.\u00a0 She has been faithful to do what she believed God has called her to do but she is becoming weary in that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now aren\u2019t there times thought when you are thinking about Natalie\u2019s situation, you will read through a passage and I am not talking about the genealogies, but I am talking about some passage that you would look at and you go, I don\u2019t really see a connection between this passage and Natalie\u2019s circumstance.\u00a0 You have to be careful that you don\u2019t just invent a connection that\u2019s not really there, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Even though I am advocating that wherever you are in scripture you want to ask the question how does this give a different perspective, a different gaze on my life?\u00a0 We need to use wisdom as we study the scriptures as we apply to our life and to other people\u2019s lives.\u00a0 If we are straining to make a connection there is probably a different place that God may have us go, but it\u2019s worth camping out and seeing what he has for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You are raising a couple of children right now their ages are?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 11 and 8.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 They are on the cusp of the some of the most dangerous years a human being experiences.\u00a0 I like the teenage years because of the immaturity of their spiritual lives, their emotional lives, their physical lives.\u00a0 I mean they are walking in the midst of danger during just a lot of confusion.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow have you used this same approach from the Bible with your 11 year old?\u00a0 Give me an illustration of how you are coaching your daughter, your 11 year old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 I think that comes out in several ways.\u00a0 One is that I want to ask her to be more than a compliant child.\u00a0 I want to get to the heart of her particular struggle.\u00a0 So for example just the other night, she was on the internet wanting to download some songs onto her iPod and we were reading lyrics together.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Good idea, very good idea, dad.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 There were certainly some lyrics in one of the songs that she chose that were not appropriate and she didn\u2019t understand why that was.\u00a0 I want more than simply to say, oh that\u2019s a bad song, don\u2019t do that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to get to the heart of why that might not be a good idea and also to help her to develop wisdom in these things.\u00a0 And in my use of scripture I want to model the same thing.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want it simply going back to an earlier discussion.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want to simply bring principles, commands to her.\u00a0 I want to help her relate to Jesus Christ.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it\u2019s more than just staying at the surface.\u00a0 That's good.\u00a0 That\u2019s bad.\u00a0 Don\u2019t do this.\u00a0 Do that.\u00a0 But what's at the heart of the matter?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 So how did you talk to her?\u00a0 I mean did she push back at that point and say, oh dad, all my friends have got that one on their iPod.\u00a0 You are not going to make me push the delete button here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yes, there was some push back.\u00a0 It was a great opportunity to talk about the heart and what she wanted, what were her desires and what was important in God\u2019s eyes.\u00a0 We talked about wisdom and parental wisdom.\u00a0 I think that ultimately it was a discussion that went far beyond the surface lyrics and more to the heart of one\u2019s desires, what peers have, why is this not appropriate and those kinds of things.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 You know as you are telling me story, I was thinking, okay I am going to put your thesis to the test here.\u00a0 So I started thinking about Haggai 2.\u00a0 Here\u2019s this verse that you were applying to Natalie, the physician who is wondering if there is any real purpose for her life and how you would apply it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI thought well what if you took your daughter to Haggai Chapter 2.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well here\u2019s the nation of Israel, instead of focusing on the things of God, they become distracted with their own interests, their own pleasures, the paneling on their own houses and as a result God is not pleased.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn a similar way what your daughter is focused on is not what would honor the Lord here and what would please him.\u00a0 But I like that song and I want that song in my iPod and so I will worry about the things of God in another time.\u00a0 There really are principles and I hate to even say principles, but the story of the Bible keeps calling us back to a life where we are ultimately living not for our own pleasure, but for God\u2019s purposes, right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely, and I think even back to Haggai 2.\u00a0 They were looking at a short term situation saying this isn\u2019t good.\u00a0 We can't live with this. And Haggai was urging them to have a long term view.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s another thing that we want to communicate to our children.\u00a0 This \u201cwant\u201d is in the present, but there is a longer term view that\u2019s important to have.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 You have also got an 8-year-old son, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet<\/strong>:\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 As you are teaching him the Bible because you are doing that in not only dealing with songs being downloaded, but you are also doing it formally undoubtedly.\u00a0 How do you go about bringing the Bible down to the lives that your children are living where they are today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 We have a devotional time, I would like to see it more than it currently is, but we do have a devotional time where we read a passage of scripture and we talk about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Now wait a second.\u00a0 You said you read a passage of scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 A short passage, not a long passage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob<\/strong>:\u00a0 It\u2019s just to help mom and dad out there know that you are not talking about several chapters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 No, we are talking several verses.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 You put it in context.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 We put in context.\u00a0 We are in Acts right now.\u00a0 Because we are doing it sequentially that context is always in front of us, so here\u2019s a few verses, a few questions related to the verses that we direct towards my son, towards my daughter.\u00a0 Then we just talk a bit about how would this look in our lives?\u00a0 It's challenging.\u00a0 It's challenging to bring that to their level and it challenges me back in reverse, am I doing this in my own life?\u00a0 And am I doing it regularly enough with my children?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Share with our listeners a passage that they might be able to go to perhaps this evening with their children or tomorrow morning, to be able to talk about how God relates to them, who they are as followers of Christ, and as they get to know him how they can apply the scriptures to their lives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 In the book I use Mark 1:40-45. Healing of a leper by Jesus I think is so rich in its application and seeing Jesus the king who comes to bring healing to people that have no hope otherwise.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 And going back to what we talked about earlier where you are looking at saint, suffering, and sinner.\u00a0 Again that passage is a clear picture of the King coming and calling the one who is trapped in his own suffering and his own sin to a new status as a saint to step out of his disease and into a new position as a child of the kingdom.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely, and no matter where you are in terms of what passages you choose, I think keeping those things in front of us as parents how can I affirm my children in the relationship with God in their standing with Jesus?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat are the particular crunch points in their life?\u00a0 Where they are struggling?\u00a0 Where they are suffering?\u00a0 And then thirdly where are they struggling with sin?\u00a0 What are the unique patterns both attitudinally and behaviorally that we need to tailor the scriptures to?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Like an iPod and maybe a song that\u2019s being downloaded by an 11 year old.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong>\u00a0 Yeah you know, I am just thinking of 2 Timothy 3 which reminds us, all scripture is briefed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction and for training in righteousness that the man of God maybe competent equipped for every good work and that\u2019s really what you are talking about with your two children.\u00a0 You are trying to bring the Bible to bear in their lives to remind them that God loves them.\u00a0 God is pursuing them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe wants a relationship with them and that he has got a way of life that he has designed that he wants us to live in and knowledge, not only knowledge about God, but also how we relate to one another.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMichael, I just want to thank you for your book, for your work and for being on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> thanks for joining us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Michael Emlet:<\/strong>\u00a0 Thank you for having me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 I really do think this is an important kind of a course correction for all of us. As we read these scriptures with our children and teach them how to study the Bible, what you are talking about in your book is an important way for us to understand what God is saying to us through his word.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat\u2019s one of the reasons, we have got copies of the book in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center the book is called <em>CrossTalk: Where Life and Scripture Meet<\/em>.\u00a0 And you can order a copy when you go online at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.familylifetoday.com\">www.familylifetoday.com<\/a> or call toll free at 1800-358-6329, 1800-FL-TODAY and ask for a copy of Michael\u2019s book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLet me also mention that we have just put together a new area on our FamilyLife website <a href=\"http:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\">www.familylife.com<\/a> where together with Michael and his colleagues at the Christian Counseling &amp; Education Foundation, we have begun to address a variety of physical, behavioral, and mental issues from a biblical Christian perspective.\u00a0 Things like anger and guilt and bipolar disorder and Asperger's syndrome and anxiety, things that people are going to seek professional help for today from a counselor.\u00a0 We are offering now a variety of articles designed to speak into these issues and if you go to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.familylifetoday.com\">www.familylifetoday.com<\/a> there is a link there that will take you to the area of the FamilyLife website where you can get help for these kinds of issues.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain our website is <a href=\"http:\/\/www.familylifetoday.com\">www.familylifetoday.com<\/a> and let me just say how much we appreciate Michael, our partnership with you and with your colleagues at the Christian Counseling &amp; Education Foundation.\u00a0 We appreciate the work you do and being able to work together with you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact I should also mention that CCEF has a national convention coming up in November, the subject of the convention is Marriage and I am going to be there both to attend the conference and I have been invited to speak as well, so I am looking forward to being up there with you on that.\u00a0 And there is a link on our website at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.familylifetoday.com\">www.familylifetoday.com<\/a> where you can find out more about the CCEF National Convention as well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWith that, we are going to wrap things up for today, hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 Hope you and your family were able to worship together this weekend.\u00a0 And I hope you can join us back on Monday, when we are going to begin a conversation on what people are going to be saying about you 50 years from now or 100 years from now, and you might think nobody is going to say anything about me, but you might be surprised.\u00a0 We are going to talk about the kind of legacy you will leave to your family and to the world around you, that\u2019s coming up Monday hope you can be with us.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today Keith Lynch and our entire broadcast production team on behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey.\u00a0 I am Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back Monday for another edition of <em>Familylife<\/em> <em>Today<\/em>.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHelp for today.\u00a0 Hope for tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts. 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