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UCLA.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2010-06-29.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>When Kim got involved in gymnastics, it placed her in a white world.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I had one coach in particular who would tell me I would never hold a candle to another girl in my gym or someone I was competing against.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>When we grew up, most African Americans were told, \u201cYou have to be better than the white man to get an equal opportunity.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>After hearing that so many times, I started believing I didn\u2019t have what it took.\u00a0 I had been in the Olympic trials.\u00a0 I had been to South Africa where I won the gold medal.\u00a0 Yet, I never thought I was any good because no one ever told me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong>\u00a0 This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 29th.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife Dennis Rainey, and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Today Kim and Corwin Anthony share with us a remarkable story of perseverance and achievement against unfavorable odds.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWelcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>; thanks for joining us.\u00a0 This is not going to make my wife happy, but I have to do this.\u00a0 My wife and our guest today have something in common.\u00a0 You probably aren\u2019t aware of this, but Mary Ann, when she was a freshman at the University of Arkansas\u2014that is where she had her freshman year at the University of Arkansas before she transferred to the University of Tulsa\u2014she was on the gymnastics team at the University of Arkansas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Really?\u00a0 I did not know that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 If she was here, she would say, \u201cBob, it is a big stretch to say I had something in common with our guest.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMary Ann was pretty good on the balance beam.\u00a0 I think that was about it; that was her big thing.\u00a0 She enjoyed doing it, but no great shakes.\u00a0 However, our guest was a six-time All American and was a national champion.\u00a0 Mary Ann was pretty good on the balance beam.\u00a0 That is about what they have in common.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You are speaking, of course\u2014and this was before she got married\u2014of Kim Hamilton who is now Kim Anthony, along with her husband Corwin join us on <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 Kim, Corwin, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It is good to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You don\u2019t remember my wife from college do you?\u00a0 I don\u2019t think you competed against her.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>UCLA\u2014I doubt if UCLA competed against Arkansas...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>In much of anything, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 Kim has written a book called <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>.\u00a0 It is subtitled <em>The Story of UCLA\u2019s First African American Female Gymnastics Champion.<\/em>\u00a0 For a lot of folks listening to this broadcast, they are not going to truly appreciate that accomplishment, but what was it like to be a pioneer at UCLA?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I had always been a pioneer in the sport of gymnastics, being one of very few African Americans in the sport in the U.S.\u00a0 When I went to UCLA, there was a big \u201cto do\u201d because they had never had a black female gymnast before.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI experienced different feedback from various people.\u00a0 There were some people who were very excited about it.\u00a0 There were others who didn\u2019t appreciate it; they looked at me as\u2014especially the other African American students at UCLA\u2014they used the term \u201cwhite-washed\u201d because I was on the gymnastics team and I was the only African American.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>So you got punished.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I got punished.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>By African Americans?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>We ought to say for you to be a scholarship athlete at UCLA\u2014an African American gymnast\u2014it is against all odds because how tall are you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Five-seven.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>How tall is the average gymnast?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>About 4\u201911\u201d - 5\u2019.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 Five-seven is just\u2014I mean you towered above everybody else on the floor.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Most definitely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Not only that\u2014how did you even get into gymnastics in the first place?\u00a0 It is not the kind of thing that young African American girls growing up in poverty-stricken Richmond, Virginia.\u00a0 It is not like you just say, \u201cOkay, I\u2019d like to be a gymnast.\u201d\u00a0 Where did the thought even come into your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You know what?\u00a0 It actually was that way for me.\u00a0 I said, \u201cOh, I think I want to be a gymnast.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>So you really are a pioneer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 I am\u2014I guess so.\u00a0 I was watching Nadia compete.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Nadia Com\u0103neci compete in the Olympics.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I was just thinking of her when you were talking about a tall Olympian.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>She is tall for a gymnast; but when I stand next to her...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>She\u2019s a little shrimpy thing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>She\u2019s shorter than I am.\u00a0 I watched Nadia.\u00a0 I was in my grandmother\u2019s living room\u2014sitting there by myself on the floor.\u00a0 I said, \u201cI can do that.\u201d\u00a0 I started flipping around in the living room.\u00a0 I did a front flip and landed on my back.\u00a0 The boom just shook the house.\u00a0 I got smart; I got some pillows off the sofa, and padded my landing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI started getting a little too wild and knocking over lamps, tables, and things like that.\u00a0 So my grandmother said, \u201cYou have to take that outside.\u00a0 I am sorry.\u201d\u00a0 So I went outside onto the brick sidewalks in front of the house and the concrete stairs.\u00a0 I started doing my gymnastics.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Now wait.\u00a0 If I had had the first flip where I landed on my backside and it was sore, that would have been the end of my gymnastics career.\u00a0 Why did you keep after it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I just thought it was fun.\u00a0 The feeling of flying through the air just fascinated me.\u00a0 I was a jumper.\u00a0 I would climb and jump over things\u2014jump over fences, climb walls.\u00a0 My first experience on anything that was similar to a balance beam was this 15\u2019-20\u2019 high wall that was in the back alley.\u00a0 I would just walk on the edge of that wall and think nothing of it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>15\u2019 to 20\u2019 in the air?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 We would climb up the wall\u2014it was a concrete cinderblock wall.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>There is a great story of you finally getting into a gym.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You and your mom went...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 We took the bus over to the other side of town\u2014to south side where I attended the Richmond Olympiad for the very first time.\u00a0 I had on my shorts and my shirt.\u00a0 I remember walking into the gym thinking, \u201cOh, my goodness.\u00a0 I am in heaven!\u201d\u00a0 There were mats everywhere!\u00a0 Balance beams, bars, and...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Those mats\u2014that had to mean a lot.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 Of course, since I was fearless on the brick sidewalks, can you imagine me with some mats underneath me?\u00a0 I was doing just about everything.\u00a0 I got in trouble so many times.\u00a0 The coaches kept telling me, \u201cGet off the high bar!\u00a0 No, you are not supposed to be up there.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAt the end of the class, the coaches called me over.\u00a0 I thought, \u201cOh, I am in such big trouble.\u00a0 They are never going to let me come back again.\u00a0 They kept having to get me off the high beam and all this other stuff.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey asked me where I had taken gymnastics lessons before.\u00a0 I told them, \u201cThis is my first class.\u00a0 I just do gymnastics on my sidewalk.\u201d\u00a0 They said, \u201cShow me what you have taught yourself how to do.\u201d\u00a0 I showed them my side aerials with no hands and things like that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey looked at me, and they looked at each other.\u00a0 They immediately asked me to join the team.\u00a0 They said, \u201cHow would you like to compete and be on our team?\u201d\u00a0 I looked at my mom; and I said, \u201cOkay.\u201d\u00a0 My mama said, \u201cOkay.\u00a0 That is fine,\u201d because I knew that I would be able to come and train for three days a week.\u00a0 I said, \u201cOoh, I\u2019d like to do that.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey took me to their Pro Shop because I didn\u2019t have a leotard.\u00a0 We couldn\u2019t afford to buy a leotard from the Pro Shop, but they let me take it home anyway.\u00a0 They told us to just pay them back whenever we got the money.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I\u2019m looking at your wife\u2019s face.\u00a0 She is just beaming!\u00a0 I am looking at yours, Corwin; and you are too.\u00a0 When did you finally realize you had married such a pioneer?\u00a0 I mean, you have your hands full; don\u2019t you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Oh, yes, definitely.\u00a0 If she could she\u2019d be doing some flips in the studio right now.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Really?\u00a0 You still like to jump around?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>She loves to do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>If I see an open field or just a big open area, I just want to do it.\u00a0 I just...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I did a cartwheel last year.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, I did.\u00a0 Do you remember seeing that cartwheel?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I did, Bob.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It was kind of a round-off\u2014I mean, by the end, it wasn\u2019t a full cartwheel.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Kim, Kim...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt wasn\u2019t!\u00a0 Trust me, Kim.\u00a0 It was ugly!\u00a0 You would not associate it with gymnastics.\u00a0 I promise you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You were obviously a natural at this.\u00a0 This was just how you were built, how you were made, what you loved to do.\u00a0 Those early years of going to the practices and then competing on the team\u2014at one level, it was a part of the escape from the reality of what was going on at home that kept some sanity in your life.\u00a0 Don\u2019t you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\u00a0 It did.\u00a0 Gymnastics was the only thing that I had control over\u2014my body and what it did in the air, what it did on the balance beam or the bars.\u00a0 It gave me some sense of control in my life because I couldn\u2019t control my home situation at all; but when I went to the gym, I could learn how to control my body.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The fact that you were getting taller than most gymnasts get\u2014and the fact that you were getting older\u2014we watched the Olympics; and these are 14-, 15-year-old girls.\u00a0 You were 16, 17, 18.\u00a0 Were the people saying, \u201cThis isn\u2019t going to work for you,\u201d?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No one told me that\u2014not because of my height.\u00a0 I heard my coaches who at one point told me that I didn\u2019t have what it took to become a champion.\u00a0 I had one coach in particular who was only doing it because she thought it would make me perform better.\u00a0 She would tell me that I didn\u2019t have what it took and that I would never hold a candle to another girl in my gym or someone I was competing against.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAfter hearing that for so many times, and especially the way it was done and how embarrassed I was by it, I started believing that I didn\u2019t have what it took.\u00a0 I never realized that I was a good gymnast until I went to UCLA.\u00a0 My coaches told me that I was good.\u00a0 I looked at them as though they were crazy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had been in the Olympic trials.\u00a0 I had been to South Africa where I won the gold medal there, been in London where I won a gold\u2014all over the world.\u00a0 Yet, I never thought I was any good because no one ever told me.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>When did you start believing in yourself?\u00a0 Was it a victory or was it a coach?\u00a0 Was that it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It was definitely a coach telling me.\u00a0 During my freshman year at UCLA my coach told me that she thought I could become a national champion in college.\u00a0 I did not because I didn\u2019t think I was good enough.\u00a0 She continued to tell me, \u201cKimmie, you are good!\u00a0 You just have to believe it.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThen I started training like I was good.\u00a0 I thought, \u201cMan, if I had this when I was younger, when I was at the Olympic trials and things like that\u2014my goodness, what could I have done?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>What a great illustration of two different kinds of coaches.\u00a0 One telling you are bad, over and over and over again\u2014and you beginning to believe that; and another telling you, \u201cYou are really good,\u201d and finally that ultimately is absorbed by you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI am going to ask you a question that Bob is not going to like me for asking you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOkay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>This is kind of a fun question.\u00a0 If you could just keep one memory of one victory of all the victories you have won\u2014I\u2019ve got a feeling you\u2019ve got trophies and medals...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Piled up.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Piled up!\u00a0 I mean, I have a couple.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Corwin made me throw them out.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I mean the house is only so big.\u00a0 Kim, come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(laughter)\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Which one would be the most meaningful moment of all your competition?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The most meaningful moment\u2014I don\u2019t even have to think about it\u2014it was definitely winning the South African Cup during Apartheid in South Africa.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What I experienced there was incredible\u2014to see the shanty towns, to see the treatment of the black South Africans.\u00a0 I had people in the mall\u2014black South Africans\u2014coming up to me asking me if I could help them escape to America.\u00a0 I was 16 years old.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe went to a safari\u2014a resort\u2014we tried to get the lowdown from the black South Africans.\u00a0 We met with a guy on a rooftop who met with us secretively.\u00a0 He didn\u2019t tell us his name because he didn\u2019t want his family or his own life to be threatened.\u00a0 He told us what was going on.\u00a0 He told us that there was going to be a rebellion and that they were training warriors to fight back.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFor a little African American girl who wasn\u2019t really thinking much about life, it was life-changing to realize the privilege that I had.\u00a0 Even though I had to clean the gym at night with my parents to pay for lessons, I could also train in that gym.\u00a0 The black South Africans were cleaning the gyms, but they were not allowed to use them.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI looked at it as a privilege.\u00a0 I thought, \u201cI have it a lot better than I have been thinking.\u201d\u00a0 Winning that South African Cup was an opportunity for me to represent people of African descent all over the world. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Dennis has talked about you as a pioneer in the era in which all of this was happening for you with Apartheid going on in South Africa, with racial tension in the United States, and you being a rare African American gymnast.\u00a0 How did you wrestle with your own understanding of race and your own understanding of who you were and the tension that existed?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI am thinking back to your dad who in the military had faced racial discrimination and had gotten in with the Black Panthers\u2014he was hostile and angry.\u00a0 Did you ever start to build up a bitterness in your heart toward the racism you were experiencing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Growing up\u2014because of what my father had experienced\u2014I was always taught that even if you have a dream, the white man will not allow you to achieve it.\u00a0 I learned that from talking to my father from the place where he was in the military.\u00a0 He had dreams.\u00a0 He was a pioneer in his own right.\u00a0 They would not allow him to do certain things.\u00a0 That is what I heard growing up.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs a gymnast, I remember thinking, \u201cI can never be as good as the white girls any way.\u00a0 I\u2019ll just do the best I can.\u201d\u00a0 I remember seeing another little black gymnast at the Class 3 state meet my very first year as a gymnast.\u00a0 She did a beautiful arched dive roll.\u00a0 It gave me permission to be the best instead of comparing myself to other people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen I experienced what I saw in South Africa, I understood what my father had gone through.\u00a0 I understood what my mother had gone through concerning racism, and I understood better my grandmother.\u00a0 She cleaned the homes of rich white families.\u00a0 That was all she knew because that was all that was allowed her.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI believe that as a result of the racial tension I was experiencing, I wanted to do more than what I had watched people in my neighborhood do.\u00a0 I wanted to rise above that and say, \u201cYou know what, maybe someone won\u2019t allow me do something; but I want to work hard so I can make something of myself.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It didn\u2019t cultivate an anger in your heart.\u00a0 At least, that is not what I am hearing.\u00a0 Some people who would experience this would just go, \u201cThis just makes me angry.\u201d\u00a0 You seem to have dealt\u2014I\u2019m looking over at your husband\u2014he is nodding his head.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I know that when Kim got involved with gymnastics, it placed her in a white world.\u00a0 She developed some pretty close friendships as a little girl.\u00a0 That kind of helped to contribute to her being more accepting and loving in dealing with the racial tensions in the black community.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThey were more accepting of her than even her own family.\u00a0 When she would go home, she would hear, \u201cWhat you doing?\u00a0 That\u2019s a white girl\u2019s sport.\u00a0 You can\u2019t be nothin\u2019 and you are not.\u201d\u00a0 But then she would go to the gym and she would have all these little girls loving her, encouraging her, and helping her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And who respected her.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>They respected her; yes.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I want to ask both of you two\u2014because Corwin\u2014you work with pro athletes in an environment today where black athletes and white athletes are playing side by side.\u00a0 You\u2019re involved with the wives of the Miami Dolphins.\u00a0 I know the sporting world is maybe not a microcosm of the world at large; but I\u2019m just wondering at the beginning of the 21st Century, are we over the hurdle on the racism issue?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>We have many hurdles to cross.\u00a0 I think we have taken some good strides and have crossed a number of them, but there are more hurdles that need to be crossed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I want to go back to the world of gymnastics just for a moment, Kim.\u00a0 I want to ask you the flip side of the question that I asked \u201cWhat was your favorite moment?\u201d\u00a0 What was your greatest disappointment in competition?\u00a0 In other words, if you could go back in reverse\u2014one competition\u2014I\u2019ve got a hunch of which one it will be but I don\u2019t know you.\u00a0 Do you think you know, Corwin?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I would guess one, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Okay.\u00a0 You hold that one, but let\u2019s let Kim answer it first.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>If I could go back and change one competition, that would be 1989 Nationals UCLA\u2014NCAA.\u00a0 It was at the University of Georgia.\u00a0 Our team was leading the competition.\u00a0 I was up last on the floor exercise.\u00a0 In order for UCLA to win the entire competition, I needed to score a perfect 10.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI did an incredible routine, but I made one mistake which was on my triple turn.\u00a0 As I was doing my triple turn, I found myself leaning slightly to the side and I did everything I could to try to pull myself upward so that I could finish perfectly; but I had a tiny hop to the side.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tGymnastics is judged by individuals.\u00a0 Some individuals may overlook that hop and some individuals may say, \u201cHmm\u2014that was a hop.\u201d\u00a0 When the scores went up at the end of the routine, two of the judges gave me perfect 10\u2019s.\u00a0 The other judges did not.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI was unable to lead our team to win the National Championship title.\u00a0 Even as I wrote about that in the book, it was very difficult.\u00a0 When I had to listen to myself talk about it on the audio version of the book, over and over again, I just get a pit in my stomach every single time.\u00a0 That is the one meet I would change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>She is a competitor, ya\u2019ll.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I would guess so!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Was that the...\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>That was the one.\u00a0 Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I mean, a 10\u2014that\u2019s unheard of.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Corwin:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It was in that day.\u00a0 They weren\u2019t giving out 10\u2019s when I was competing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I want to say this about you, Kim.\u00a0 You score a 10 in your pioneering, persevering spirit to have overcome\u2014speaking of hurdles.\u00a0 A huge number of hurdles in your life to become the woman, the wife, the author of a book, and a spokesperson on behalf of issues like racism, competition, and purpose in life and to use the platform God gave you for His glory.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Kim:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Let me just add\u2014You have done a great job telling your story in your book which is called <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em>.\u00a0 I think Dennis is right; you overcame a lot of unfavorable odds to achieve all that you have achieved, not only as an athlete but also as a woman.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe have copies of the book in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center.\u00a0 Let me encourage our listeners to go online to get a copy at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 Again, the title of the book is <em>Unfavorable Odds<\/em> by Kim Hamilton Anthony.\u00a0 You can go to FamilyLifeToday.com to request a copy or call 1-800-FLTODAY (1-800-358-6329).\u00a0 That is 1-800 F as in \u201cFamily\u201d L as in \u201cLife\u201d and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is always an encouragement for either of us, Dennis or me, when we get a chance to connect with listeners face to face, whether we are speaking somewhere or at an event\u2014just to hear from listeners who tune in and appreciate the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>It is always great to get to connect with folks.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI know some of you who are listening are new to the program.\u00a0 Maybe you have never been to our website FamilyLifeToday.com, you are not getting our e-magazine which is called <em>The Family Room<\/em>, or you just don\u2019t know a whole lot about the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 We would love to introduce ourselves.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAlthough we cannot do that face to face, we have a gift we would like to send you just as a way to say, \u201cHi,\u201d and to invite you to find out more about the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 The gift is a book called <em>Ninety-nine Ways to Stretch Your Home Budget<\/em>.\u00a0 It is a very practical guide to suggest ways that you might be able to tighten things up a little bit and have a little extra money as a family.\u00a0 The book is our free gift to you.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, it is our hope that we can get to know you a little better and introduce the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> to you.\u00a0 Give us a call at 1-800-FLTODAY if you are interested in a copy of the book and if you would like to find out more about <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the phone number is 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 That is 1-800- F as in \u201cFamily\u201d L as in \u201cLife\u201d and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 Just ask for the book on stretching your budget.\u00a0 Again, we are happy to send it out to you and glad to have you listening to <em>FamilyLife Today.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>We hope to get you better connected with all that God is doing through this ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope to see you back tomorrow when Kim and Corwin Anthony are going to join us again.\u00a0 We are going to talk tomorrow about how the two of you met and about how your relationship began.\u00a0 I hope our listeners can be with us for that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today Keith Lynch and our entire broadcast production team on behalf of our host Dennis Rainey; I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will see you back next time for another edition of 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