{"id":302057,"date":"2010-06-15T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2010-06-15T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/where-does-evil-come-from\/"},"modified":"2010-06-15T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2010-06-15T15:00:00","slug":"where-does-evil-come-from","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/where-does-evil-come-from\/","title":{"rendered":"Where Does Evil Come From?"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How do you respond when bad things happen?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2010-06-15.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"25.21M","filesize_raw":"26438923","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2847],"tags":[4929,4722,4159,2216],"podcast_series":[7735],"cwp_profile":[],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-302057","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-death-and-dying","tag-christian-life","tag-christianity","tag-gospel","tag-suffering","podcast_series-if-god-is-good","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/302057\/where-does-evil-come-from","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/302057\/where-does-evil-come-from","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"cHDC34GCDm\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/where-does-evil-come-from\/\">Where Does Evil Come From?<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/where-does-evil-come-from\/embed\/#?secret=cHDC34GCDm\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Where Does Evil Come From?&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"cHDC34GCDm\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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McCarty, and he gave five messages at church in addition to his other speaking assignments, but he started and ended each message with this quote:\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts, when suddenly I realized I better come to grips with what I believe.\u00a0 I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape.\u00a0 And it\u2019s a great relief.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u00a0 That hit me between the eyes because, Randy you don\u2019t know this about me, but I grew up in the \u201cShow Me\u201d State of Missouri (chuckles), and if I was to have been in any of the tribes of the disciples, I would have been in the tribe of the Doubting Thomas.\u00a0 So I was kind of the \u201cShow Me\u201d guy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had all these questions about God, and I remember grappling with the theme that you\u2019ve written about in your book, <em>If God Is Good<\/em>, just about why does God allow evil and suffering, and if He\u2019s good, how can this be?\u00a0 If you were to give a reader\u2019s digest, I hate to force you to that because you\u2019re such a good thinker, but-if you had to answer that to a new Christian just starting out their walk with Christ, how would you answer that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, I would say when we ask the question \u201cIf God is good\u2026\u201d we\u2019re asking a fundamental worldview type of question, and that\u2019s where I would back up with people to say we all have a worldview.\u00a0 It\u2019s just do you have a good one?\u00a0 Do you have a bad one?\u00a0 What\u2019s it based on?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you have a worldview that is based on God\u2019s Word, then you have an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, all-wise God who creates the world, knowing where it\u2019s going, having a plan and having a purpose and understanding you\u2019re not always going to know the details of that purpose and why He\u2019s doing this particular thing.\u00a0 But in broad strokes, from the very beginning, He tells us He wants righteous people to rule the earth to the glory of God (Genesis 1 and 2), then this catastrophe of sin happens, the Fall, curse, everything goes bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then He sends His Son into the world, does what He does, and then the last two chapters of Revelation, after the return of Christ, after the setting up of His eternal kingdom, New Heaven and New Earth, you\u2019re going to see almost a mirror image of what you saw in Genesis 1 and 2 and in the last two chapters, Revelation 21 and 22.\u00a0 So, in answering the question \u201cIf God is good...,\u201d you are actually going through an unfolding drama of redemption in which God brings about an eternal, greater good.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, that\u2019s a Christian worldview.\u00a0 Without that worldview, all you\u2019re going to see is little bits or big bits of evil and suffering that\u2019s just going to poke away at your faith unless your faith is grounded on a big picture of God\u2019s plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, because it appears random and meaningless and, in some ways, when people say, \u201cWell if God is good, and if He\u2019s all-loving, and if He\u2019s all-knowing\u2026\u201d when they ask the question, the hidden worldview behind that is \u201cIf He was good, all-knowing, and all-loving, then He would do things the way I think they ought to be done.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Right!\u00a0 It would make sense to me!\u00a0 And because it doesn\u2019t, He must not be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And what we\u2019re really saying is, \u201cI\u2019m all good, I\u2019m all-knowing, I\u2019m all-loving, and if God was good, He\u2019d do it the way I think it ought to be done.\u201d\u00a0 I mean fundamentally, to ask the question is to say, \u201cI think I know best,\u201d isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Absolutely!\u00a0 I remember a very graphic example where a woman who was a very young Christian who was the mother of one of our daughter\u2019s friends in high school, and we were visiting her in the hospital, and she had an illness that was perhaps going to result in her death, and sure enough, it did within a couple of weeks of this conversation.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut my wife, Nancy, used an illustration with her\u2014there have been different forms of this illustration around for awhile but the way that Nancy framed it was\u2014just imagine because she was asking \u201cIf God loves me, why would He be doing this?\u00a0 If God loves my family, why would I have this disease?\u201d\u2014of her saying \u201cImagine the child that gets into the poison, swallows the poison, the father has to throw the child in the car. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There\u2019s no time to wait for an ambulance, drive to the emergency room, and they tell him on the phone \u201cWhatever you do, don\u2019t let him fall asleep, because if he does, the poison will kill him.\u201d\u00a0 So the child\u2019s just a two or three-year-old, so they strap him in, and then imagine you\u2019re the dad, and you\u2019re driving, you\u2019re going down the freeway to the hospital, and it\u2019s a February, and you\u2019re rolling down the windows because he\u2019s falling asleep, and you\u2019re reaching over and you\u2019re slapping him to keep him awake.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, is this father acting in the best interests of his child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The answer is yes.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Does that child have <em>any<\/em> basis upon which to grasp that his father is acting in his best interests?\u00a0 Does any of this even possibly make sense to him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No capacity to understand that whatsoever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Exactly!\u00a0 And we are finite, and God is infinite.\u00a0 Isaiah 55:\u00a0 \u201cAs far as the heavens are above the earth, so far are my thoughts above your thoughts and my ways above your ways.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And not only that, but everybody driving by who\u2019s watching that dad doing that\u2026everybody driving by is thinking, \u201cWhat\u2019s that man doing abusing his child?!\u00a0 Because they don\u2019t know\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Because they don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u2026what the bigger picture is!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It\u2019s context.\u00a0 What we\u2019re talking about here is all about the context, God\u2019s context for life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And you know this, Randy, there are pastors and theologians who have grappled with this issue and where it has lead them is to the conclusion that if God is all-loving, if God is all-wise, and bad things happen, then it must be that there are some things in the future that God doesn\u2019t know are going to happen, can\u2019t orchestrate beyond His grasp.\u00a0 He has to wait for them to unfold and implement the best plan He can based on how human liberty gets us there. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHow do you respond to a pastor?\u00a0 I mean he draws that conclusion because he looks at a child grown up in a home where a father is sexually abusing him every night, and says \u201cHow can I really believe that this is the plan of God?\u00a0 That this is the gracious act of a loving God, to let that child be in that situation?\u00a0 So it must be that it\u2019s just outside of his divine knowing?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Right.\u00a0 One of the most common things that we have going right now is people trying to solve the problems of evil and suffering by limiting an attribute of God.\u00a0 So some people limit His power.\u00a0 That\u2019s what Rabbi Kushner did when he wrote his book, <em>When Bad Things Happen to Good People. <\/em>\u00a0He said, \u201cI can believe in a God of love or I can believe in a God who is all-powerful, but I cannot believe in both, because of what I see,\u201d and because of the evil and suffering in the world and his own son who died of this rare disease. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, he actually states\u2014and I quote him in <em>If God is Good<\/em>\u2014that there are some things that are just too hard even for God to fix.\u00a0 Okay, so that\u2019s one way to solve a problem, but of course, if you look at what scripture says, you immediately realize that in your attempt to solve a problem, you have created a problem of immense proportions.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLikewise, we see this even with evangelical circles today with what is called \u201cOpen Theism,\u201d and this is the idea that God does not know in advance the contingent choices that His children will make, because if He <em>did<\/em> know them in advance, then they would be predetermined, they would have to happen, and they would not be true choices.\u00a0 And we deal with in why this is not either a logical or a biblical approach to the problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the intention is to help think, \u201cWell, okay, this bad thing that\u2019s happening to me, I will feel better about it if I tell myself, \u2018God didn\u2019t know in advance the evil choice that someone was going to make that was going to result in my child\u2019s abuse because if God had known it from eternity past He surely would never have ordained or permitted it to happen.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, of course, that doesn\u2019t solve the problem at all.\u00a0 Not only does it take away from a precious attribute of God, the fact that He <em>is<\/em> all-knowing, but it also brings it down to the moment.\u00a0 Well God surely\u2014if you\u2019re saying He doesn\u2019t know the future\u2014well, doesn\u2019t He know the present?\u00a0 I mean, in the present, this man is abusing him, so why doesn\u2019t God stop it?\u00a0 In other words, it doesn\u2019t solve the problem, and meanwhile it eliminates an attribute of God.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we need to do is back up and say, \u201cIs it possible\u2014and I\u2019ve asked people this a number of times\u2014just is it possible, first of all, how much of all there is to know in the universe do you know?\u00a0 And if it\u2019s a very arrogant person, they might say, \u201cI know one percent,\u201d you know if they said that, that would be like, \u201cOh wow, you know one percent of all there is to know?\u201d\u00a0 You know, there aren\u2019t enough zeros to put after the decimal point before you get to a one in terms of a fraction of all there is in the world that the smartest person has ever lived will ever know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut let\u2019s just say they are the smartest person that\u2019s ever been, and they know 10 percent of all there is to know in the universe, then the question would be, \u201cYou, the smartest person that\u2019s ever lived:\u00a0 is it possible that God has a purpose that is good and redemptive and will be proven to be so that exists that is in that 90 percent of the things to be known that you don\u2019t know?\u201d\u00a0 Well, you got to have a pretty arrogant person to confidently respond to that and say, \u201cYes, I do know that for sure.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, actually, if you do know that for sure, that there can\u2019t be an ultimately good and redemptive purpose, then you actually <em>do<\/em> believe in an all-knowing being, and that\u2019s you (chuckling), because if you know that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so the point is let\u2019s take this with AW Tozer said that \u201conce we see God as He is, and ourselves as we are, there\u2019s no question about where we should stand in this thing.\u201d\u00a0 I think this is the reminder that faith is trusting in a God not because I understand all the answers, but because He has shown enough of Himself to me in Christ to demonstrate His love toward me in that while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me.\u00a0 If He has done all <em>this<\/em> for me, how much more beyond that will He do for me also? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I want to take that great answer and I want to apply it to a current circumstance that we\u2019ve been facing here in families over the past six to eight to nine months:\u00a0 Haiti.\u00a0 Let\u2019s say your son or your daughter comes home from school.\u00a0 He\u2019s nine years old, and you\u2019re sitting around the dinner table, and you\u2019ve just watched the evening news and not only have you seen the devastation that the earthquake created and a loss of life, but now there\u2019s 200,000 orphans and there\u2019s the masses in the midst of the heat of the summer, hurricane season.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the human misery just continues to pile up in that little island country.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat would you say simply to that nine-year-old to communicate what you just masterfully described, but to do the same thing and applying that about, \u201cHow does evil work in here, Daddy?\u00a0 Did they do something wrong?\u00a0 What\u2019s God up to?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, I think first you go back to the suffering is real.\u00a0 It breaks the heart of God.\u00a0 I think of Jesus when He reveals Himself to Paul in Acts 9, and He says to Him, \u201cI am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.\u201d\u00a0 What an interesting statement.\u00a0 Who was Paul persecuting?\u00a0 Well he was persecuting God\u2019s children; he was persecuting Christians.\u00a0 But Jesus says, \u201cI\u2019m feeling their pain.\u00a0 In persecuting them, you\u2019re persecuting me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo God feels our pain; God feels the pain of people of Haiti.\u00a0 And I would say that God is also giving an opportunity for His children to demonstrate His love.\u00a0 God shows His love to the world through what His children-through what you do through what I do.\u00a0 We are His hands and feet.\u00a0 We are the body of Christ.\u00a0 And so the truth of the Gospel and the redemptive purposes of God and the very loving character of God can be demonstrated through the care that we extend.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 1 talks about the comfort that we give others is the comfort that we have received from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in terms of ultimate, redemptive purpose, that\u2019s where we have to say once again, \u201cWe don\u2019t know the why,\u201d we can eliminate some things, certainly John 9 is insightful in this regard because the man born blind, the disciple said, \u201cWho sinned, Lord, this man or his father, that he should be born blind?\u201d\u00a0 Jesus said, \u201cIt\u2019s not about either of their sin.\u00a0 It\u2019s that God will be glorified in the man\u2019s life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this is where again, we can\u2019t understand it, but we can say we should not go pointing our finger around at people who are suffering and say, \u201cWell they\u2019re just suffering because of the bad choices they make.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn general, yes, suffering in the world is a result of sin and fallen curse.\u00a0 But specifically we get on very dangerous ground when we do what Job\u2019s friends did, which is, \u201cOh, you\u2019re suffering like this, Job?\u00a0 Clearly it\u2019s because of sin in your life,\u201d when in fact God said he\u2019s the most blameless person on the planet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Okay, I\u2019m going to circle back, though, here and put that nine-year-old back up on your lap?\u00a0 So the nine-year-old says, \u201cDaddy?\u00a0 Why did God let that earthquake happen in Haiti and why is He letting those people die and suffer?\u201d\u00a0 What do you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I think you say, \u201cI don\u2019t know the complete answer to this because only God knows the complete answer.\u00a0 Your earthly father doesn\u2019t know the complete answer, your Heavenly Father does, and one day I think He\u2019s going to explain it to you and you\u2019ll have a better capacity to understand.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You know, what we\u2019re talking about here is pretty weighty stuff.\u00a0 And if I could attempt to summarize, which is very dangerous based upon the depth of the water we\u2019ve been in here.\u00a0 As you look at things you don\u2019t understand, you take a step back and you go, Number 1:\u00a0 this is about a worldview.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDoes your worldview believe that God has a plan, has a purpose and He\u2019s in charge, that He\u2019s ruling, and He\u2019s sovereignly ruling?\u00a0 He\u2019s not partially in charge.\u00a0 He is really in charge?\u00a0 Does that mean we understand it?\u00a0 No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second thing we need to know is somehow in His masterful way, and we use the illustration of Joni Eareckson Tada, His glory is being displayed, even in the midst of human suffering and misery.\u00a0 I immediately think of 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 where it talks about the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him.\u00a0 He\u2019s not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.\u00a0 You\u2019re not going to be able to go on <em>Nightline<\/em> or <em>NBC News<\/em> and make this explanation, and have the world rush to our side and say, \u201cOh yes!\u00a0 We really believe that, that God\u2019s in charge and this is about His glory!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>We get it now, yes, thanks for explaining that!\u00a0 We were confused and now we understand!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Now we understand.\u00a0 You\u2019re a Looney tune is what you are.\u00a0 That\u2019s what they\u2019re going to say because in their minds they don\u2019t understand.\u00a0 But the third thing, and interestingly, I don\u2019t know that I thought of it quite in the way you explained it, Randy.\u00a0 I think it is so important we dare not miss it, especially as we raise our children and as we go about lives ourselves, the third thing is it\u2019s also about our obedience, and how we\u2019re going to engage in these disasters and human crises. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may not be an earthquake in Haiti.\u00a0 It may be a neighbor next door who\u2019s getting a divorce who needs someone to intercept them before they make a choice that\u2019s going to result in generation after generation, never knowing the Gospel.\u00a0 It really is about our acts of obedience to God and engaging in the battle at some level. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t engage all the battles, but you know what, I can engage in some.\u00a0 So the answer is what\u2019s the battle before you or what\u2019s the crisis before you?\u00a0 Where you need to take God at His Word and step out and go, I don\u2019t know why this is happening, but I just want to step in and love to express kindness, comfort, and maybe hope and perspective.\u00a0\u00a0 Maybe in the process I\u2019ll get a chance to lead someone to Christ.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s what\u2019s at stake here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, you don\u2019t want to go in like you\u2019re the answer man, I think you\u2019re right.\u00a0 You want to go in with love and kindness and compassion and concern for the reality of what somebody is going through.\u00a0 But in the process, it would not be unusual for somebody to say, \u201cI just don\u2019t understand how God would allow such a thing.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s good to have in your mind as you\u2019re in that situation some ways to respond to that, not that you\u2019re going to try and talk them into something as we\u2019ve already said, but so that you can minister the truth of God\u2019s Word to that person.\u00a0 I think your book is very helpful in that regard.\u00a0 We got the book in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center, it\u2019s called <em>If God Is Good<\/em>:\u00a0 <em>Faith in the Midst of Suffering and Evil.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>Randy Alcorn is the author.\u00a0 Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLifeToday.com and you\u2019ll get information about how you can get a copy of Randy\u2019s book.\u00a0 You can order it from us online, or you can call 1-800-FLTODAY to request a copy.\u00a0 Again, it\u2019s 1-800-358-6329, 1-800 F as in \u201cfamily\u201d L as in \u201clife\u201d and then the word TODAY, or you can request a copy online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, it was a couple of years ago that we were talking with our children, and we do this around Christmas or birthdays or Mother\u2019s Day or Father\u2019s Day, and they would say to us, \u201cWhat do you want for Christmas?\u201d or \u201cWhat do you want for Mother\u2019s Day or Father\u2019s Day?\u201d and we just finally said, \u201cYou know what?\u00a0 What we would really like to have you do is make a donation on our behalf to\u2026\u201d and we listed some ministries that we care about, and FamilyLife is one of those ministries.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI just learned recently that our team has put together a process where if you\u2019d 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support of <em>FamilyLife Today,<\/em> a copy of Truett Cathy\u2019s book, <em>It\u2019s Better to Build Boys than Mend Men<\/em>.\u00a0 The book is our way of saying thank you for your support of the ministry of <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> and in a very real sense, we could not do what we\u2019re doing here without that support.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo thanks to those of you who call or go online and make a donation of $25 or $30 or $40 or $50 dollars, whatever you\u2019re able to do, we appreciate your support and if you\u2019d like a copy of Truett Cathy\u2019s book, just type the word \u201cBOYS\u201d in the key code box on the online donation form or request the book on building boys when you make your donation by calling 1-800-FL-TODAY.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd again, thanks for whatever you\u2019re able to do in support of this ministry.\u00a0 We appreciate your partnership with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe hope you\u2019ll be back 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do you respond when bad things happen?","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2010-06-15.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u00a0When we see the reality of evil and suffering in our world and wonder, \u201cHow could God allow something like this?\u201d is it possible that there is a purpose that goes beyond that person\u2019s ability to understand?\u00a0 Randy Alcorn thinks so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Let\u2019s just say they are the smartest person that\u2019s ever been, and they know 10 percent of all there is to know in the universe, then the question would be, \u201cYou, the smartest person that\u2019s ever lived:\u00a0 is it possible that God has a purpose that is good and redemptive and will be proven to be so that exists that is in that 90 percent of the things to be known that you don\u2019t know?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>This is <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em> for Tuesday, June 15<sup>th<\/sup>.\u00a0 Our host is the President of FamilyLife Dennis Rainey and I\u2019m Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Randy Alcorn joins us today to help us understand how God can be good and all-powerful and still allow for evil and suffering in our world.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to <em>FamilyLife Today<\/em>, thanks for joining us.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been thinking as we were talking this week with Randy Alcorn about his book <em>If God Is Good<\/em>, I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve ever shared with him your favorite quote from Tom Skinner that you learned back when you were in college?\u00a0 But it really does relate to this subject, doesn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It really does.\u00a0 Randy, welcome back on the broadcast.\u00a0 You\u2019ve been on our program many times, and it\u2019s great to have you back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Thanks, it\u2019s great to be with you guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The quote that Bob\u2019s talking about, Randy\u2026Tom Skinner was a chaplain for the Washington Redskins, grew up in Harlem, was a PK, a \u201cpreacher\u2019s kid\u201d but heard the gospel over the radio\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I remember him.\u00a0 Was it <em>Words of Revolution?<\/em>\u00a0 Did he write that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>That\u2019s right!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Great memory!\u00a0 Because he gave me that book in 1968.\u00a0 I carted him around the University of Arkansas as he spoke all over campus, and interestingly, probably one of the first black evangelists ever to speak on the campus.\u00a0 Our pastor invited him in, H.D. McCarty, and he gave five messages at church in addition to his other speaking assignments, but he started and ended each message with this quote:\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0\u201cI spent a long time trying to come to grips with my doubts, when suddenly I realized I better come to grips with what I believe.\u00a0 I have since moved from the agony of questions that I cannot answer to the reality of answers that I cannot escape.\u00a0 And it\u2019s a great relief.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Wow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u00a0 That hit me between the eyes because, Randy you don\u2019t know this about me, but I grew up in the \u201cShow Me\u201d State of Missouri (chuckles), and if I was to have been in any of the tribes of the disciples, I would have been in the tribe of the Doubting Thomas.\u00a0 So I was kind of the \u201cShow Me\u201d guy.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI had all these questions about God, and I remember grappling with the theme that you\u2019ve written about in your book, <em>If God Is Good<\/em>, just about why does God allow evil and suffering, and if He\u2019s good, how can this be?\u00a0 If you were to give a reader\u2019s digest, I hate to force you to that because you\u2019re such a good thinker, but-if you had to answer that to a new Christian just starting out their walk with Christ, how would you answer that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, I would say when we ask the question \u201cIf God is good\u2026\u201d we\u2019re asking a fundamental worldview type of question, and that\u2019s where I would back up with people to say we all have a worldview.\u00a0 It\u2019s just do you have a good one?\u00a0 Do you have a bad one?\u00a0 What\u2019s it based on?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd if you have a worldview that is based on God\u2019s Word, then you have an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, all-wise God who creates the world, knowing where it\u2019s going, having a plan and having a purpose and understanding you\u2019re not always going to know the details of that purpose and why He\u2019s doing this particular thing.\u00a0 But in broad strokes, from the very beginning, He tells us He wants righteous people to rule the earth to the glory of God (Genesis 1 and 2), then this catastrophe of sin happens, the Fall, curse, everything goes bad. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then He sends His Son into the world, does what He does, and then the last two chapters of Revelation, after the return of Christ, after the setting up of His eternal kingdom, New Heaven and New Earth, you\u2019re going to see almost a mirror image of what you saw in Genesis 1 and 2 and in the last two chapters, Revelation 21 and 22.\u00a0 So, in answering the question \u201cIf God is good...,\u201d you are actually going through an unfolding drama of redemption in which God brings about an eternal, greater good.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, that\u2019s a Christian worldview.\u00a0 Without that worldview, all you\u2019re going to see is little bits or big bits of evil and suffering that\u2019s just going to poke away at your faith unless your faith is grounded on a big picture of God\u2019s plan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Yes, because it appears random and meaningless and, in some ways, when people say, \u201cWell if God is good, and if He\u2019s all-loving, and if He\u2019s all-knowing\u2026\u201d when they ask the question, the hidden worldview behind that is \u201cIf He was good, all-knowing, and all-loving, then He would do things the way I think they ought to be done.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Right!\u00a0 It would make sense to me!\u00a0 And because it doesn\u2019t, He must not be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And what we\u2019re really saying is, \u201cI\u2019m all good, I\u2019m all-knowing, I\u2019m all-loving, and if God was good, He\u2019d do it the way I think it ought to be done.\u201d\u00a0 I mean fundamentally, to ask the question is to say, \u201cI think I know best,\u201d isn\u2019t it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Absolutely!\u00a0 I remember a very graphic example where a woman who was a very young Christian who was the mother of one of our daughter\u2019s friends in high school, and we were visiting her in the hospital, and she had an illness that was perhaps going to result in her death, and sure enough, it did within a couple of weeks of this conversation.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut my wife, Nancy, used an illustration with her\u2014there have been different forms of this illustration around for awhile but the way that Nancy framed it was\u2014just imagine because she was asking \u201cIf God loves me, why would He be doing this?\u00a0 If God loves my family, why would I have this disease?\u201d\u2014of her saying \u201cImagine the child that gets into the poison, swallows the poison, the father has to throw the child in the car. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0There\u2019s no time to wait for an ambulance, drive to the emergency room, and they tell him on the phone \u201cWhatever you do, don\u2019t let him fall asleep, because if he does, the poison will kill him.\u201d\u00a0 So the child\u2019s just a two or three-year-old, so they strap him in, and then imagine you\u2019re the dad, and you\u2019re driving, you\u2019re going down the freeway to the hospital, and it\u2019s a February, and you\u2019re rolling down the windows because he\u2019s falling asleep, and you\u2019re reaching over and you\u2019re slapping him to keep him awake.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, is this father acting in the best interests of his child?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Sure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>The answer is yes.\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 Does that child have <em>any<\/em> basis upon which to grasp that his father is acting in his best interests?\u00a0 Does any of this even possibly make sense to him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>No capacity to understand that whatsoever.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Exactly!\u00a0 And we are finite, and God is infinite.\u00a0 Isaiah 55:\u00a0 \u201cAs far as the heavens are above the earth, so far are my thoughts above your thoughts and my ways above your ways.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And not only that, but everybody driving by who\u2019s watching that dad doing that\u2026everybody driving by is thinking, \u201cWhat\u2019s that man doing abusing his child?!\u00a0 Because they don\u2019t know\u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Because they don\u2019t know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>\u2026what the bigger picture is!\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>It\u2019s context.\u00a0 What we\u2019re talking about here is all about the context, God\u2019s context for life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>And you know this, Randy, there are pastors and theologians who have grappled with this issue and where it has lead them is to the conclusion that if God is all-loving, if God is all-wise, and bad things happen, then it must be that there are some things in the future that God doesn\u2019t know are going to happen, can\u2019t orchestrate beyond His 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believe in a God of love or I can believe in a God who is all-powerful, but I cannot believe in both, because of what I see,\u201d and because of the evil and suffering in the world and his own son who died of this rare disease. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so, he actually states\u2014and I quote him in <em>If God is Good<\/em>\u2014that there are some things that are just too hard even for God to fix.\u00a0 Okay, so that\u2019s one way to solve a problem, but of course, if you look at what scripture says, you immediately realize that in your attempt to solve a problem, you have created a problem of immense proportions.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tLikewise, we see this even with evangelical circles today with what is called \u201cOpen Theism,\u201d and this is the idea that God does not know in advance the contingent choices that His children will make, because if He <em>did<\/em> know them in advance, then they would be predetermined, they would have to happen, and they would not be true choices.\u00a0 And we deal with in why this is not either a logical or a biblical approach to the problem. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut the intention is to help think, \u201cWell, okay, this bad thing that\u2019s happening to me, I will feel better about it if I tell myself, \u2018God didn\u2019t know in advance the evil choice that someone was going to make that was going to result in my child\u2019s abuse because if God had known it from eternity past He surely would never have ordained or permitted it to happen.\u2019\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, of course, that doesn\u2019t solve the problem at all.\u00a0 Not only does it take away from a precious attribute of God, the fact that He <em>is<\/em> all-knowing, but it also brings it down to the moment.\u00a0 Well God surely\u2014if you\u2019re saying He doesn\u2019t know the future\u2014well, doesn\u2019t He know the present?\u00a0 I mean, in the present, this man is abusing him, so why doesn\u2019t God stop it?\u00a0 In other words, it doesn\u2019t solve the problem, and meanwhile it eliminates an attribute of God.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat we need to do is back up and say, \u201cIs it possible\u2014and I\u2019ve asked people this a number of times\u2014just is it possible, first of all, how much of all there is to know in the universe do you know?\u00a0 And if it\u2019s a very arrogant person, they might say, \u201cI know one percent,\u201d you know if they said that, that would be like, \u201cOh wow, you know one percent of all there is to know?\u201d\u00a0 You know, there aren\u2019t enough zeros to put after the decimal point before you get to a one in terms of a fraction of all there is in the world that the smartest person has ever lived will ever know.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut let\u2019s just say they are the smartest person that\u2019s ever been, and they know 10 percent of all there is to know in the universe, then the question would be, \u201cYou, the smartest person that\u2019s ever lived:\u00a0 is it possible that God has a purpose that is good and redemptive and will be proven to be so that exists that is in that 90 percent of the things to be known that you don\u2019t know?\u201d\u00a0 Well, you got to have a pretty arrogant person to confidently respond to that and say, \u201cYes, I do know that for sure.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, actually, if you do know that for sure, that there can\u2019t be an ultimately good and redemptive purpose, then you actually <em>do<\/em> believe in an all-knowing being, and that\u2019s you (chuckling), because if you know that.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so the point is let\u2019s take this with AW Tozer said that \u201conce we see God as He is, and ourselves as we are, there\u2019s no question about where we should stand in this thing.\u201d\u00a0 I think this is the reminder that faith is trusting in a God not because I understand all the answers, but because He has shown enough of Himself to me in Christ to demonstrate His love toward me in that while I was yet a sinner, Christ died for me.\u00a0 If He has done all <em>this<\/em> for me, how much more beyond that will He do for me also? \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I want to take that great answer and I want to apply it to a current circumstance that we\u2019ve been facing here in families over the past six to eight to nine months:\u00a0 Haiti.\u00a0 Let\u2019s say your son or your daughter comes home from school.\u00a0 He\u2019s nine years old, and you\u2019re sitting around the dinner table, and you\u2019ve just watched the evening news and not only have you seen the devastation that the earthquake created and a loss of life, but now there\u2019s 200,000 orphans and there\u2019s the masses in the midst of the heat of the summer, hurricane season.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI mean, the human misery just continues to pile up in that little island country.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat would you say simply to that nine-year-old to communicate what you just masterfully described, but to do the same thing and applying that about, \u201cHow does evil work in here, Daddy?\u00a0 Did they do something wrong?\u00a0 What\u2019s God up to?\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, I think first you go back to the suffering is real.\u00a0 It breaks the heart of God.\u00a0 I think of Jesus when He reveals Himself to Paul in Acts 9, and He says to Him, \u201cI am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.\u201d\u00a0 What an interesting statement.\u00a0 Who was Paul persecuting?\u00a0 Well he was persecuting God\u2019s children; he was persecuting Christians.\u00a0 But Jesus says, \u201cI\u2019m feeling their pain.\u00a0 In persecuting them, you\u2019re persecuting me.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo God feels our pain; God feels the pain of people of Haiti.\u00a0 And I would say that God is also giving an opportunity for His children to demonstrate His love.\u00a0 God shows His love to the world through what His children-through what you do through what I do.\u00a0 We are His hands and feet.\u00a0 We are the body of Christ.\u00a0 And so the truth of the Gospel and the redemptive purposes of God and the very loving character of God can be demonstrated through the care that we extend.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t2 Corinthians 1 talks about the comfort that we give others is the comfort that we have received from God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd in terms of ultimate, redemptive purpose, that\u2019s where we have to say once again, \u201cWe don\u2019t know the why,\u201d we can eliminate some things, certainly John 9 is insightful in this regard because the man born blind, the disciple said, \u201cWho sinned, Lord, this man or his father, that he should be born blind?\u201d\u00a0 Jesus said, \u201cIt\u2019s not about either of their sin.\u00a0 It\u2019s that God will be glorified in the man\u2019s life.\u201d \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd this is where again, we can\u2019t understand it, but we can say we should not go pointing our finger around at people who are suffering and say, \u201cWell they\u2019re just suffering because of the bad choices they make.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn general, yes, suffering in the world is a result of sin and fallen curse.\u00a0 But specifically we get on very dangerous ground when we do what Job\u2019s friends did, which is, \u201cOh, you\u2019re suffering like this, Job?\u00a0 Clearly it\u2019s because of sin in your life,\u201d when in fact God said he\u2019s the most blameless person on the planet.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Okay, I\u2019m going to circle back, though, here and put that nine-year-old back up on your lap?\u00a0 So the nine-year-old says, \u201cDaddy?\u00a0 Why did God let that earthquake happen in Haiti and why is He letting those people die and suffer?\u201d\u00a0 What do you say?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Randy:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>I think you say, \u201cI don\u2019t know the complete answer to this because only God knows the complete answer.\u00a0 Your earthly father doesn\u2019t know the complete answer, your Heavenly Father does, and one day I think He\u2019s going to explain it to you and you\u2019ll have a better capacity to understand.\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>You know, what we\u2019re talking about here is pretty weighty stuff.\u00a0 And if I could attempt to summarize, which is very dangerous based upon the depth of the water we\u2019ve been in here.\u00a0 As you look at things you don\u2019t understand, you take a step back and you go, Number 1:\u00a0 this is about a worldview.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDoes your worldview believe that God has a plan, has a purpose and He\u2019s in charge, that He\u2019s ruling, and He\u2019s sovereignly ruling?\u00a0 He\u2019s not partially in charge.\u00a0 He is really in charge?\u00a0 Does that mean we understand it?\u00a0 No. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second thing we need to know is somehow in His masterful way, and we use the illustration of Joni Eareckson Tada, His glory is being displayed, even in the midst of human suffering and misery.\u00a0 I immediately think of 1 Corinthians 2 verse 14 where it talks about the natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him.\u00a0 He\u2019s not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.\u00a0 You\u2019re not going to be able to go on <em>Nightline<\/em> or <em>NBC News<\/em> and make this explanation, and have the world rush to our side and say, \u201cOh yes!\u00a0 We really believe that, that God\u2019s in charge and this is about His glory!\u201d\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>We get it now, yes, thanks for explaining that!\u00a0 We were confused and now we understand!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Now we understand.\u00a0 You\u2019re a Looney tune is what you are.\u00a0 That\u2019s what they\u2019re going to say because in their minds they don\u2019t understand.\u00a0 But the third thing, and interestingly, I don\u2019t know that I thought of it quite in the way you explained it, Randy.\u00a0 I think it is so important we dare not miss it, especially as we raise our children and as we go about lives ourselves, the third thing is it\u2019s also about our obedience, and how we\u2019re going to engage in these disasters and human crises. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt may not be an earthquake in Haiti.\u00a0 It may be a neighbor next door who\u2019s getting a divorce who needs someone to intercept them before they make a choice that\u2019s going to result in generation after generation, never knowing the Gospel.\u00a0 It really is about our acts of obedience to God and engaging in the battle at some level. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI can\u2019t engage all the battles, but you know what, I can engage in some.\u00a0 So the answer is what\u2019s the battle before you or what\u2019s the crisis before you?\u00a0 Where you need to take God at His Word and step out and go, I don\u2019t know why this is happening, but I just want to step in and love to express kindness, comfort, and maybe hope and perspective.\u00a0\u00a0 Maybe in the process I\u2019ll get a chance to lead someone to Christ.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s what\u2019s at stake here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong><strong>\u00a0 <\/strong>Well, you don\u2019t want to go in like you\u2019re the answer man, I think you\u2019re right.\u00a0 You want to go in with love and kindness and compassion and concern for the reality of what somebody is going through.\u00a0 But in the process, it would not be unusual for somebody to say, \u201cI just don\u2019t understand how God would allow such a thing.\u201d\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt\u2019s good to have in your mind as you\u2019re in that situation some ways to respond to that, not that you\u2019re going to try and talk them into something as we\u2019ve already said, but so that you can minister the truth of God\u2019s Word to that person.\u00a0 I think your book is very helpful in that regard.\u00a0 We got the book in our FamilyLife Today Resource Center, it\u2019s called <em>If God Is Good<\/em>:\u00a0 <em>Faith in the Midst of Suffering and Evil.<\/em><em>\u00a0 <\/em>Randy Alcorn is the author.\u00a0 Go to FamilyLifeToday.com, \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLifeToday.com and you\u2019ll get information about how you can get a 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