{"id":301757,"date":"2009-01-30T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2009-01-30T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer\/"},"modified":"2009-01-30T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2009-01-30T17:00:00","slug":"finding-life-in-the-redeemer","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer\/","title":{"rendered":"Finding Life in the Redeemer"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Carol Everett seemed too lost and wicked to be redeemed.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2009-01-30.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"13.79M","filesize_raw":"14460506","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2827],"tags":[4491,5028],"podcast_series":[7283],"cwp_profile":[8874],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301757","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-repentance","tag-abortion","tag-pro-life","podcast_series-blood-money","cwp_profile-carol-everett","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301757\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301757\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"Odda0HZKjG\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer\/\">Finding Life in the Redeemer<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/finding-life-in-the-redeemer\/embed\/#?secret=Odda0HZKjG\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Finding Life in the Redeemer&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"Odda0HZKjG\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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redeemed.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2009-01-30.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Six months after I walked out of the clinic, He let me find the 139th Psalm.\u00a0 And as I read how each of us is fearfully and wonderfully knit together, I remember those babies, and that's when I hard to start dealing with the fact that I'd been involved in the murder of 35,000 babies.\u00a0 And by that time, I knew 1 John 1:9, and I struggled with it.\u00a0 I couldn't forgive myself, and I'd go, \"Okay, He forgives me, why can't I forgive\" \u2013 and back and forth and finally the picture that brought it together for me was this \u2013 if I said that I couldn't be forgiven, then I was saying Jesus's blood was not enough, and I couldn't do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, January 30th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We will hear the conclusion of Carol Everett's story today and hear how the blood of Jesus was enough to cleanse her from all her sin.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 We have been hearing a powerful story this week from Carol Everett, and we're going to get to that story and its conclusion here in just a minute, but today is Day 26 in our 40-day Love Dare.\u00a0 We have been going together through the book, \"The Love Dare,\" written by Steven and Alex Kendrick.\u00a0 It was featured in the movie, \"Fireproof\" that was in theaters last fall and is now available on DVD.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you are interested in a copy of \"The Love Dare\" book or the movie, you can go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and you'll find the resources are available there.\u00a0 Day 26 begins with Romans 2:1, which says, \"When you judge another, you condemn yourself since you, the judge, do the same thing.\"\u00a0 Day 26 is about taking responsibility for our actions in our marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHere is your assignment for today \u2013 you need to take time today to pray through your areas of wrongdoing.\u00a0 Ask for God to forgive you and then humble yourself enough to admit those areas of wrongdoing to your spouse.\u00a0 You need to do it sincerely and truthfully.\u00a0 You need to ask your spouse for forgiveness as well, and no matter how your spouse responds, make sure you cover your responsibility in love \u2013 even if your spouse responds with criticism, you need to accept it by receiving it as counsel.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThese assignments get a little harder as the Love Dare goes along.\u00a0 We are posting these assignments on our website at FamilyLifeToday.com and, again, if you are interested in copies of \"The Love Dare\" book or the movie, \"Fireproof,\" it's now available on DVD.\u00a0 Go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and you can order these resources from us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe've been talking this week about the issue of abortion and, you know, there's a statistic that we've cited this week that more than 40 percent of the women who are of childbearing age in our society have experienced an abortion, which means that somebody you run into today, whether it's a neighbor or the person in the cube next to you at work, or the person who checks you out at the supermarket \u2013 it's likely that somebody whose path you cross today is somebody who is still dealing with the emotional scars that come from having had an abortion whether you realize it or not.\u00a0 The emotional damage is still there in that person's life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And we want to speak to the debris and the fallout that occurs in the life of a woman who has an abortion today and offer some hope.\u00a0 And we have with us Carol Everett who has found that hope.\u00a0 Thanks for coming back and interacting with us here on FamilyLifeToday.com.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Thank you for inviting me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Carol is the author of a book we've been talking about \u2013 \"Blood Money.\"\u00a0 She is the CEO and founder of The Heidi Group, which is an organization committed to training and equipping workers for Crisis Pregnancy Centers all across the country.\u00a0 Really, Carol, you've brought our listeners some good news about this crisis, because you've shared that more than 2 million women a year are going to Crisis Pregnancy Centers to receive help and hope from a spiritual perspective, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes, I believe that unplanned pregnancies, and the women in those unplanned pregnancies are the mission field of this century.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Carol, over the past couple of days, you've shared your story.\u00a0 It goes all the way back to being pregnant and not married at 16.\u00a0 You then had a failed marriage, two children, married again, a husband who demanded that you agree to having an abortion if you got pregnant in that relationship.\u00a0 You married him in spite of that; ended up finding out you were pregnant; had an abortion, and that began a downward spiral in your life of drugs, alcohol, sex, depression.\u00a0 You really have experienced the brunt of this and even additionally because you then went to work in the middle of the abortion industry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhat was it, Carol, in the midst of the swirl and the downward spiral of your life that ultimately began to turn your life around?\u00a0 What was the point where God got your attention?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Well, as we attempted to expand our pregnancy termination business, we needed help, from a financial standpoint, from a business consultant standpoint, and I met a man, a very strange man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You actually had hired this man to arbitrate some differences between the partners, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Well, the partners were arguing.\u00a0 One of them was the doctor's \u2013 the abortion provider's live-in girlfriend.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> And me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So you all three were in an argument with each other, and you hired this guy to come in?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes, so we could stop arguing to expand.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And it just happened that he was a preacher.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you know that when you hired him?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> No.\u00a0 He had a business consulting record that was astounding.\u00a0 He was very successful.\u00a0 We didn't know he put Scriptures into place and made the business run, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> He had to think, \"What am I doing going to the abortion clinic to help them be successful?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Well, that's the interesting part.\u00a0 He was the pastor of a church, and he had a parachurch ministry, and both the board of his parachurch ministry and the deacons of his church prayed and believed that God had called him in there because there was someone that God wanted out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So he shows up to provide some consultation to try to arbitrate a dispute and what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> He made us agree to meet with him one hour a week for four weeks.\u00a0 At our second meeting, I started questioning him, because I couldn't understand this man.\u00a0 He was not controlled the way the people in my circle were controlled.\u00a0 I controlled everybody in my life, I thought.\u00a0 I had not found a button I could push on this man, so I started interviewing him and finally said, \"Are you a preacher?\" and he said, \"Yes.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Why did you think he was a preacher?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I couldn't figure out any other thing he could be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So he says yes, and I guess you're ready to write him off at that point, weren't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> No, I said, \"What are you doing in this situation?\"\u00a0 He said, \"God sent me.\"\u00a0 I said, \"Wait a minute, let me tell you about God.\"\u00a0 I quickly told him I was a Christian, I had a Bible in the top right-hand drawer of my desk.\u00a0 I tithed on all that money.\u00a0 His eyes didn't roll back in his head.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, wait a second, I've got to stop you on that.\u00a0 You worked in an abortion clinic.\u00a0 You were making $160,000, $200,000 a year, and you were tithing off of that money to a church?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes.\u00a0 I did not miss a tithe.\u00a0 The first \u2013 I'd deposit a check \u2013 the first check I wrote was my tithe check.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What's behind the tithing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong>\u00a0 I was buying my way to heaven.\u00a0 I was making myself feel good about what I was doing.\u00a0 It was another way to ease my conscience.\u00a0 Many people in the abortion clinic go to churches and tithe.\u00a0 It's a very common practice throughout the industry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You're saying that there is a sense in which they know that they're loading up one side of the scales with sin \u2013 so they're trying to show up on the other side with their attendance and their tithes to see if they can just tilt it so that they make it in?\u00a0 That's their thinking?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> That's their thinking.\u00a0 They obviously don't know \u2013 we didn't know the Lord.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Carol, for someone who doesn't know Christ and isn't grounded in the Scripture, I guess I have to ultimately say, yes, I can understand how someone can think like that, because when I was going my own way, I had those scales in mind, too, Bob.\u00a0 And I thought, \"You know, I just did a few bad things,\" and the scales tipped downward, so go to church \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Kick in a little extra this month, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Sing in the choir, do a couple of good works, but that's not Christianity.\u00a0 It's all about a relationship with God, and when you have a relationship with Him, and it's clear if something displeases Him, you don't buy Him off.\u00a0 You don't pay God off with a tithe and think you're going to get away with it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> In fact, ultimately, that's what that preacher confronted you with, isn't it?\u00a0 That preacher who was in consulting?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes, essentially.\u00a0 What he told me was something that astounded me because he said he was involved and was going to be involved for 30 days because God had told him there was someone inside that abortion clinic that He, God, wanted out.\u00a0 And then he laid out the plan of salvation for me.\u00a0 He just told me that I couldn't be good enough, I couldn't work hard enough, as a matter of fact, I couldn't buy my way to heaven.\u00a0 But because God loved me so much, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for my sins, and by this simple act of faith in Christ as my Lord and Savior, my life could change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You'd heard that before, though, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Bob, I never remember hearing that before.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Really?\u00a0 You'd been in church a lot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I never remember hearing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> On that day, your ears were open and your eyes were open, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I heard it.\u00a0 I didn't trust it.\u00a0 But the pastor said to me, \"You know, I wouldn't be much of a salesman if I didn't ask you if you wanted to pray that prayer and ask Jesus Christ to come into your life.\"\u00a0 I said, \"Yes,\" and I made a deal. I mean, I didn't expect that prayer to change me.\u00a0 I prayed that prayer to shut that man up.\u00a0 But it was the weirdest prayer I'd ever heard at that time in my life.\u00a0 He said, \"Dear God, I am a sinner.\u00a0 Please forgive me of my sins.\u00a0 Thank you for sending your Son, Jesus Christ, to die for my sins.\u00a0 Reign on the throne of my heart as Lord and Savior.\u00a0 Make me a worker in your vineyard.\u00a0 Amen.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You prayed that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I prayed that and left laughing because this man thought I was going to leave all this money and go to work in a vineyard.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So what did you do, go back to work at the abortion clinic at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I laughed all the way back to the clinic, but when I got there, something had happened.\u00a0 It was the first time I walked in, and those girls were all sitting in the corner crying.\u00a0 I had never seen that before.\u00a0 And so rather than running back and doing the clinic and rushing everyone through, I started taking these girls into my office and talking them out of having terminations.\u00a0 Simple things \u2013 your parents will not kill you, your parents will not hate you, they will not kick you out.\u00a0 Let me go home with you and help you talk to your parents.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Now, do you remember the first girl you talked to?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Vaguely, but I remember there were three that day.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That you talked out of having an abortion?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Yes, and then I'm shocked.\u00a0 I've got two kids in college, they need this $1,000 a month \u2013 money, money, money \u2013 and so I fell to my knees from the floor of that abortion clinic and said, \"Lord, if there is a Lord, if this is not where you want me, hit me over the head with a 2x4.\"\u00a0 I do not pray for 2x4s now.\u00a0 It was very swift.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> We were caught by Channel 4, the CBS affiliate in the Dallas-Fort Worth area attempting to do pregnancy terminations on women who were not pregnant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is interesting, and you need to explain this for our listeners \u2013 the woman comes in, you run the test, and she's not pregnant \u2013 you don't make any money on that, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Right, she's a loss, but she thinks she's pregnant.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You can go and do a D&amp;C on a baby that's not there, take her money, she's happy, and you made the money.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> You scrape out \u2013 the doctor scrapes out more in the lining of the uterus.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you were doing that routinely?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Routinely, but we got caught this time.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Do you think that practice still exists in the abortion industry?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Absolutely.\u00a0 Today, of the women walking through the door of our pregnancy centers, believing they're pregnant, the profile is exactly the same \u2013 she believes she's pregnant, it's a crisis.\u00a0 Sixty percent are not pregnant, and that number is climbing.\u00a0 Sixty percent are not pregnant, two percent have inconclusive tests, and 38 percent are pregnant.\u00a0 If she walks through the door of an abortion clinic today, they are going to try to sell their product.\u00a0 It's been documented all over the country not just in Dallas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Was there a lawsuit filed against you or \u2013 I mean \u2013 what happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Did you go home and see yourself on the news?\u00a0 What happened?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Well, it was horrible because, at that point, I was struggling with what I was doing, and I convinced myself that I could lead all these people in the clinic out \u2013 they would all come to Christ, and they would know the truth, and they would walk out.\u00a0 And so I was still struggling with that, and on the 27th day after that pastor came in, they aired that special, and they aired it every time the news was shown, documented how we took these women in, there was the sound how we tried to sell her an abortion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What did they do?\u00a0 Set you up with a woman who wasn't pregnant?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Three.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And had a hidden camera?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Sent her to the doctor to be certain she wasn't pregnant, put cameras outside so you could get her going in, put a recorder in her purse so it was a recorded that was very, very clear.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They performed a procedure on her at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> She left before they were going to but, \"Yup, you're pregnant, there it is, babe.\u00a0 You ready to do it today?\u00a0 We can take care of your little problem,\" and she would say, \"No, I think I'll wait\" \u2013 but caught us red-handed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You said that the series started 27 days after you met the preacher.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> The preacher.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Who had been praying, sensed from God that there was someone in that clinic who needed out within 30 days.\u00a0 Channel 4's series went how long?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> It actually ran five days, but on the 30th day, I didn't realize until years later, it was the 30th day, I moved my personal effects out and left.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Something happened when you prayed that prayer, didn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Well, I started to believe that prayer was real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Uh-huh, you started looking for a vineyard, didn't you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or maybe the God that you prayed to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> The God that I prayed to \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> \u2026 was real.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> Was real, and I struggled \u2013 how do I, you know, how do I connect with this God in a way that this man did to know what God was dealing with, and how he was speaking to me, and he told me to read Ecclesiastes and Esther.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Those aren't the typical places you take a new convert.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> No, they are not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> This is an interesting Texas preacher you've got here, you know?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> As I say, he had to be a very mean one to reach me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBecause, think about it \u2013 I was horrible, I was a baby-killing, woman-killing woman.\u00a0 I ran 24 hours a day, seven days a week, I didn't take time to stop and think.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you running from yourself?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> I was running from myself, from my lifestyle, from my guilt.\u00a0 See, I not only had my own child \u2013 the guilt of my own child's death, I now had multiplied that with 35,000 other babies and in the death of this woman and the maiming of 19 other women.\u00a0 So I could not stand myself.\u00a0 I didn't like myself, but I didn't see a way out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When did you realize you were forgiven for the deaths of 35,000 babies?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> God only gives you what you can handle when you can handle it, and if I'd walked out of that clinic and seen my entire sin, I wonder what I would have done, because I didn't know the Lord, and I couldn't deal with all that.\u00a0 And about six months after I walked out of the clinic, he let me find the \u2013 and I was having a quiet time \u2013 he let me find the 139th Psalm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd as I read how each of us is fearfully and wonderfully knit together inside our mother's womb \u2013 as I read those words about how the days of our lives are ordained for us before we even were, I remembered those babies, and that's when I had to start dealing with the fact that I'd been involved in the murder of 35,000 babies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd by that time I knew 1 John 1:9 and, you know, I could accept that for the babies and for the women, but I couldn't accept that for taking the life of my own child.\u00a0 Somehow, and it's not just me, it's men and women who have had a termination think, \"We've committed the unforgivable sin.\"\u00a0 And I struggled with that.\u00a0 I couldn't forgive myself, and I'd go, \"Okay, He forgives me, why can't I forgive\" \u2013 and back and forth, and finally the picture that brought it together for me was this \u2013 if I said that I couldn't be forgiven, then I was saying Jesus's blood was not enough, and I couldn't do that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so then I started to understand that I could be forgiven, and then I had to walk through a lot of apologies and a lot to reconcile a lot of relationships and to understand how the Lord wanted me to walk through that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As you were talking, it hit me \u2013 if you can't forgive yourself, you are also declaring Jesus's words, when He said, \"It is finished.\"\u00a0 You are declaring His Word is not true \u2013 that there is still work to be done.\u00a0 Right now there has to be a post-abortive woman, perhaps a man, they want forgiveness, they want cleansing, they want to know it is well with my soul.\u00a0 Would you lead that person, that woman who is suffering from the guilt of those choices she made \u2013 or that man \u2013 would you lead that person in that preacher's prayer from Texas that he led you through?\u00a0 Because I think it's a good prayer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Carol:<\/strong> It's a very good prayer.\u00a0 Why don't you bow, and let's pray together.\u00a0 Dear Lord, we come to you today as sinners.\u00a0 Please forgive us of our sins.\u00a0 Thank You for sending Your Son, Jesus Christ, to die on the cross for our sins.\u00a0 Reign on the throne of my heart as Lord and Savior, make me a worker in your vineyard.\u00a0 Amen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> It's a simple prayer but, again, if a heart is open, it's not the words, it's not a magic incantation, it's a heart that says, \"I'm ready to surrender, I'm ready to make the turn.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I want to remind our listeners that faith is only as good as its object.\u00a0 Your trust and your faith \u2013 if you prayed that prayer \u2013 is in a God, the God, who can cleanse, forgive, offer the certainty that you will spend eternity with Him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Mm-hm.\u00a0 And any of our listeners who prayed that prayer with Carol, there is a book we'd love to send you.\u00a0 It's called \"Pursuing God,\" and it's designed to help you understand what it means to have an ongoing daily vital relationship with God through Jesus Christ.\u00a0 All you have to do is call 1-800-FLTODAY and say, \"I'd like a copy of that book, 'Pursuing God.'\u00a0 I have given my life to Christ, and I want to know what it means to be a follower of Christ.\u00a0 I prayed that prayer on the program,\" and, again, we're happy to send this book out to you at no cost to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tCall 1-800-FLTODAY and ask for a copy of the book, \"Pursuing God,\" or just say I'm calling because I became a Christian, and we're delighted to send the book to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd speaking of books, let me encourage you to consider getting a copy of Randy Alcorn's helpful book, \"Pro-Life Answers to Pro-Choice Arguments.\"\u00a0 This is a very thorough, very comprehensive book that Randy has written designed to deal with the arguments that are made in our culture in support of abortion but also to provide very practical help on things like the biblical passages that relate to pro-life issues or how abortion has been dealt with in church history.\u00a0 There is a whole section on \"50 Ways to Help Unborn Babies and Their Mothers.\"\u00a0 There is a Sanctity of Life message that someone could give in a church service.\u00a0 There is a sample statement that a church can use or modify to state their own position on abortion; Bible study lessons for group discussion.\u00a0 Randy's just done a great job and, Carol, I know you have endorsed this book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you'd like to get a copy, go to our website, FamilyLifeToday.com, and there is information available there on how you can order a copy of the book.\u00a0 Again, it's FamilyLifeToday.com or, if you'd like, you can call 1-800-FLTODAY, that's 1-800-358-6329 \u2013 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 When you call, someone on our team will answer any questions you have about the resources that we have available, and we'll make arrangements to get the ones you need sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to add a quick word at the end of today's program.\u00a0 I know that from time to time you hear us mention here on FamilyLife Today that we are listener-supported and that we appreciate your financial support.\u00a0 I hope when you hear that \u2013 I hope a couple of things \u2013 first, I hope that you know that we don't ever want to do anything to try to put pressure on you to give or to make it awkward or uncomfortable for you.\u00a0 We really do look to the Lord to provide for our needs.\u00a0 We just want to let you know that if you are able to help, you can be a part of how God answers our prayer for financial support, and we want to make sure that you never do anything to take away from giving to your local church.\u00a0 We believe that needs to be your first priority when it comes to giving, and we wouldn't want to think that you are sending to us money that ought to go there, first and foremost.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we do appreciate those of you who are able to help with financial support for this ministry.\u00a0 It is greatly needed and much appreciated, and this month if you are able to make a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today, we'd love to send you, as a thank you gift, a copy of the book by Dennis and Barbara Rainey, \"Moments With You,\" a daily devotional guide for husbands and wives that's designed to get you thinking together about a marriage and family-related them each day.\u00a0 There is a discussion question, and an opportunity to pray together each day as well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe book is our way of saying thank you to you when you do support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a generous donation of any amount this month, and you can do that online at FamilyLifeToday.com.\u00a0 If you are on our website, and you're making a donation, there is a keycode box on the donation form.\u00a0 Type the word \"moments\" into that box, and we'll know to send you a copy of Dennis and Barbara's book.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-358-6329, make your donation over the phone and just mention that you'd like the book, \"Moments With You,\" and, again, let me just say thanks in advance for whatever you are able to do in helping to support this ministry.\u00a0 We appreciate your trust in us, and we appreciate your partnership with us as well. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we hope you have a great weekend.\u00a0 I hope you and 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