{"id":301683,"date":"2008-09-25T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-09-25T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/never-leave-your-partner-behind\/"},"modified":"2008-09-25T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-09-25T15:00:00","slug":"never-leave-your-partner-behind","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/never-leave-your-partner-behind\/","title":{"rendered":"\u201cNever Leave Your Partner Behind\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Join us today for the broadcast when brothers Alex and Stephen Kendrick, the producers of \u201cFlyWheel\u201d and \u201cFacing the Giants&#8221;, talk with Dennis Rainey about their newest release, \u201cFireproof&#8221;, appearing in theaters September 26.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-09-25.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"12.45M","filesize_raw":"13051078","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2821],"tags":[4929,4722],"podcast_series":[7606],"cwp_profile":[8818,3104],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301683","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-reaching-out","tag-christian-life","tag-christianity","podcast_series-making-movies-for-gods-glory","cwp_profile-alex-kendrick","cwp_profile-stephen-kendrick","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301683\/never-leave-your-partner-behind","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301683\/never-leave-your-partner-behind","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"QoHKTJaNY0\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/never-leave-your-partner-behind\/\">\u201cNever Leave Your Partner Behind\u201d<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/never-leave-your-partner-behind\/embed\/#?secret=QoHKTJaNY0\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;\u201cNever Leave Your Partner Behind\u201d&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"QoHKTJaNY0\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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we take this couple through this journey of coming to know Christ and doing the things that they need to be doing as a couple, husband to wife, wife to husband, and hopefully will take them with us, and they'll say, you know, \"I've been here, that's also where I need to go.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, September 25th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We hear today about a new movie, \"Fireproof.\"\u00a0 It could have an impact on tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands, of marriages.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition.\u00a0 You know, one of the things we used to do with our family on Friday nights, we'd have movie night over at our house, and we'd pull out the old classic movies from back in the '30s and the '40s, and really introduce our kids to the Golden Age of Filmmaking, as they call it.\u00a0 And our kids grew up watching a lot of the Mickey Rooney\/Judy Garland movies, where were all the same plot <strong>\u2013<\/strong> somebody would get in trouble, and then they'd say, \"Let's put on a show,\" and they'd put on a show, and they'd bail them out of trouble.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I was thinking about that, because the Kendrick brothers are kind of like Mickey and Judy.\u00a0 They've just said, \"Let's put on a show,\" and now you're into your third movie with these shows you're putting on, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah.\u00a0 Stephen and Alex join us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Welcome back, guys.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Thank you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Thank you so much.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> They have co-written, produced, and directed a new movie called \"Fireproof,\" and you've got to tell our listeners because I think the average layman does not know <strong>\u2013<\/strong> what is the difference between directing and producing a movie?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We didn't k now, either, Dennis, until we made \"Facing the Giants,\" and so <strong>\u2013<\/strong> directing is the person who is sitting there in front of the actors and telling the story on the screen.\u00a0 The producer is behind the scenes, organizing all the equipment, working out all the scheduling, doing the shoot list, the production design for the next shot \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> The resources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yeah, it brings all the ingredients to the kitchen so that the director can cook.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So who mixes it together to get a final edited copy?\u00a0 I mean, what <strong>\u2013<\/strong> is that the producer and the director together then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Alex is also the editor on our movies, and I come along and polish a little bit, but he's the primary storyteller.\u00a0 God has really given him a gift in storytelling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> So you take all of the scenes that you've shot and, by the way, listeners may not realize that movies are shot out of sequence.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Correct.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was on the set the day that you were shooting one of the last scenes in the movie, but it was the first week or two of production that you were doing this.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> By the way, I have to tell you about this.\u00a0 I was the one that was asked to come down and see this, and Bob slipped out of town without me knowing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Oh, uh-oh.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He got down there and basically what he was trying to do, guys, he was trying to audition.\u00a0 He wanted in the movie.\u00a0 But he came back \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> I know people, Bob.\u00a0 We can make it happen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Can you do something?\u00a0 Just a crowd scene is all I'm looking for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> No, we \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Seriously, he came back thoroughly impressed with the job you and your team had done down there and just said, \"Dennis, I think this is something we need to be a part of.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Wonderful, and we're extremely grateful.\u00a0 We shoot scenes by location.\u00a0 You were talking about shooting it out of order because it's more efficient that way.\u00a0 So, yeah, we'll shoot a scene early in the movie and then one at the end of the movie, so it's harder on our actors because there is no chronological emotion going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, yeah, Stephen mentioned that I'm also the editor as well as director, but what he did not say is the special effects you see in the movie are mainly Stephen.\u00a0 He gets jazzed about, \"All right, how can we add fire to this scene,\" or \"How can we add more cars and more people to the scene?\"\u00a0 He's done that for our last two movies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> When did you first notice this destructive pattern in his background?\u00a0 You know, as his brother?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> We made movies growing up in our backyard.\u00a0 They all have the same plot, chase 'em down and beat 'em up.\u00a0 And we'd run around with kids in our neighborhood saying, \"Okay, you're the bad guy, and I'm just going to come and pummel you in this shot.\"\u00a0 But Stephen did a lot of stunts.\u00a0 As a matter of fact, he told my parents, \"When I grow up, I want to be a stunt man.\"\u00a0 And my parents got a little concerned about this.\u00a0 They knew I wanted to make movies and Stephen's going to be a stunt man, but as we got older, got in the ministry, the Lord called us into that, we have a lot for ministry.\u00a0 We never lost the desire to tell stories using this avenue, and the Lord has been so good opening up these doors for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Stephen, can we talk about some of the action scenes in this movie, because this was all new for you guys.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You've made a movie about a car dealer that didn't require any pyrotechnics.\u00a0 You made a movie about football players that required some pretty sophisticated shooting for these crowd scenes and these big football games, but to have a house on fire was something completely <strong>\u2013<\/strong> or a train barreling down the track coming right at a car that's in the middle of the <strong>\u2013<\/strong> that was all new stuff for you guys, wasn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, we wanted to connect with men, too.\u00a0 We had this great storyline about marriage and about saving marriage, and we wanted to deal with the issues that couples go through, showing the fireworks that happen at home.\u00a0 But we're guys, you know, we love movies.\u00a0 We want to sit there and laugh and cry and be on the edge of our seats, and so it was like kids in a candy shop for us to say, \"Hey, let's have some explosions in this movie.\u00a0 Let's have some things catch on fire.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so when Bob came down, Dennis, you know, and we said, \"Bob, we can put you in this movie and set you on fire,\" you know?\u00a0 He refused.\u00a0 Don't you want to be in \"Fireproof?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Our listeners have heard him on fire here many times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell me where you got the train, because there's a scene in this thing where one of the firemen is trying to pull this car off the tracks and, I'm telling you what, it was so close, I've now seen the movie twice, and it's like I'm sliding on my chair away from the aisles trying to get away from the train.\u00a0 Where did you get the train?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We had 16 locations in this movie and God, after prayer, gave us all of them for free.\u00a0 And one of those things that we needed was a train, and one of our local train station guys heard about us making the movie and heard about the train scene, and he said, \"I want to be a part of this.\"\u00a0 He said, \"I'll drive the train,\" you know?\u00a0 \"I'll move it forward and backwards as much as you want to.\u00a0 Let me <strong>\u2013<\/strong> let our train, you know, be in this movie.\u00a0 It was great, it was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's a big train.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, it's just not like you go out and buy a train.\u00a0 So what do you do, rent it by the hour?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> He donated it.\u00a0 You know, and that brings up a good point.\u00a0 God <strong>\u2013<\/strong> one of a dozen <strong>\u2013<\/strong> dozens, actually, of prayers.\u00a0 You know, we got the train for free, we got a wing of the hospital for free.\u00a0 We got the fire department and the EMT and the police department help for free.\u00a0 Every location we shot in the movie was for free. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when we begged God to do something on this movie, I mean, our whole church, Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, was just praying.\u00a0 God opened up so many doors, it almost became ridiculous how many prayers He was answering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But, you know, if I decided tomorrow that I wanted to shoot a scene with a train coming, and a guy getting his helmet knocked off by the train or a house on fire, you can't just go to the Internet and say, \"How do you shoot a scene with a guy crawling through a smoke-filled building?\"\u00a0 And you didn't learn that on any Hollywood set.\u00a0 Where did you learn how to do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, we haven't really learned anything, you know, we \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You actually burned down a house over there, did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We did, we did.\u00a0 We know how to burn down houses.\u00a0 It's a unique situation because we haven't had the training or the experience or the money, you know, and the Lord called us to do it and in obedience to Him, we've seen God lay tracks in front of a moving train on these sets by providing everything we needed every step of the way, and that's one of the ways that we knew He was confirming that we were in His will and following Him because He kept sending perfect timing, tens of thousands of dollars, or a train to show up to help us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We've talked about everything except the entertainment value of this movie in terms of the story line.\u00a0 It's a compelling story line of a fireman who has basically been neglecting his wife.\u00a0 And I have to tell you, there's a scene that I want to play now for our listeners.\u00a0 In fact, we used this scene at many of our Weekend to Remember Marriage Conferences in our conflict resolution message, where we equip couples to know how to handle conflict in their marriage, and I have to say I think there's more Christian marriages identify with this scene in the white hot emotional intensity that Kirk Cameron, who is the male star of this movie, demonstrates than many of these Christians who attend our conferences are willing to admit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alex, set this scene up for us.\u00a0 What's going on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Caleb and Catherine have been married seven years.\u00a0 He's a fireman, she works at the local hospital, and neither of them know the Lord, and after seven years, it's come to a point where they realize this marriage is not working.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs they come to the decision to divorce, and this is right before the decision, things are just explosive.\u00a0 They've got so much ammunition at each other, they're blaming each other for so much <strong>\u2013<\/strong> \"You don't appreciate me,\" and et cetera, et cetera, our marriages out there know what we're talking about that this conversation happens in the movie right before they make a decision to end it all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he's just come home, and there is nothing for dinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[from tape]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> What are you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> I see you left me no pizza.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Caleb, I just lit that candle.\u00a0 I like the way it smells.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Well, I don't.\u00a0 Did you leave me any dinner at all?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> I assumed you were eating with Michael.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Did it not occur to you that there are two people living in this house, and both of them need to eat?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> You know what, Caleb, if you would communicate with me, maybe I could have something for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Why do you have to make everything so difficult?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Oh, I'm making everything difficult?\u00a0 It seems to me like I'm the one carrying the weight around here while you're off doing your own thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Excuse me?\u00a0 I'm the one out there working to pay this mortgage, and I pay for both of the cars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Yeah, and that's all you do.\u00a0 I pay all of our bills with my salary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Which you agreed to do.\u00a0 That's fair.\u00a0 Do you not like this house?\u00a0 Do you not like your car?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Caleb, who takes care of this house \u2013 me.\u00a0 Who washes all the clothes \u2013 me.\u00a0 Who gets all the groceries \u2013 me; not to mention I'm helping my parents every weekend.\u00a0 I've got all this pressure on me, and the only thing you ever do for anybody is for yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Let me tell you something, you don't know the first thing about pressure.\u00a0 All right, do you think I put out house fires for myself?\u00a0 Or rush to car wrecks at 2 a.m. for myself?\u00a0 Or pull a child's body out of a lake for myself.\u00a0 You have no idea what I go through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, but what do you do around here other than watch TV and waste time on the Internet.\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 Looking at that trash, how you get fulfilled, that's fine, but I will not compete with it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I sure don't get it from you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> And you won't, because you care more about saving for your stupid boat and pleasing yourself than you ever did about me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Stop!\u00a0 I'm sick of you!\u00a0 You disrespectful, ungrateful, selfish woman!\u00a0 How dare you say that to me!\u00a0 You constantly nag me, and you blame the life out of me!\u00a0 I'm tired of it!\u00a0 If you can't give me the respect I deserve <strong>\u2013<\/strong> look at me!\u00a0 Then what's the point in this marriage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> I want out.\u00a0 I want out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> You want out?\u00a0 That's fine with me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[tape ends]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'll tell you, it gets really quiet everywhere that scene is shown, doesn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yeah, it sure does.\u00a0 And, sadly, a lot of people, if not most marriages, identify with that type of friction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We've had men in their 60s in the back of the theater weeping because that's how they treat their wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, the first time I saw that scene, and I have now seen it several times, it really felt abusive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I do think, and I have no statistical data to back this up, but my guess would be well over half of Christian marriages have experienced a scene like that couple experienced.\u00a0 Now, it may not have the threat of divorce as they were talking about there at the end, but just white-hot, emotional anger unloaded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and our listeners could just hear it, they couldn't see it, but he was in her face.\u00a0 He was physical with her.\u00a0 He had her pinned against the wall.\u00a0 There was the threat of physical violence in the midst of that scene.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you set that up, were you thinking, \"We've got to take this to the limit,\" or <strong>\u2013<\/strong> I mean, what was going on in your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Well, one thing was <strong>\u2013<\/strong> our goal was that we want audiences to identify with the friction.\u00a0 If they identify <strong>\u2013<\/strong> if they see themselves up on the screen, then when we take this couple through this journey of coming to know Christ and doing the things that they need to be doing as a couple, husband to wife, wife to husband, and, hopefully, will take them with us, and they'll say, \"You know, I've been here, that's also where I need to go.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> And provide them an example.\u00a0 You know, the first part of the movie is the investment and the connection.\u00a0 The last part is the payoff, and we want men and women to be able to walk out of the theater and say, \"I now have seen what I need to do in my relationship.\u00a0 I've got an example now to follow.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, and I think a lot of men identify with how he was feeling toward her <strong>\u2013<\/strong> not feeling respected.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because for whatever reason, perhaps the wife has grown cold to the lack of love, the neglect, and it was clear he had neglected her, and so she wasn't respecting him, and it was this vicious cycle that they were in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is moment in that scene where he is right in her face, and he's shouting at her, and she's looking down and away, and he says \"Look at me.\"\u00a0 And just that line, and she's jolted back into looking at him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> It's very degrading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you're wondering, \"What's coming next?\u00a0 Is he going to strike her?\u00a0 Is he going to get physical with her?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, I want to comment on that, because <strong>\u2013<\/strong> and I don't know if you guys intended this to happen, but I wonder if this is not going to be used by God for a man to be exposed to his own behavior in like a mirror, where physical abuse, emotional abuse, verbal abuse <strong>\u2013<\/strong> he's going to finally see how disrespectful and how demeaning it is to a woman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I pray that God is going to use this to convict many men as to how they're treating their wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> And the reason this kind of friction happens in a marriage, when they both feel like they have ammunition toward the other one, and they're not acting in kindness, they're not acting with patience, they're not acting in selflessness, then you're going to have these types of wars.\u00a0 We are imperfect people, and you will always have ammunition on the other person if you look for it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, you know, God has ammunition on us, but He chooses to forgive, He chooses to say, \"Here is a way out, here is a demonstration of love through Christ,\" and that's the whole point of \"Fireproof.\"\u00a0 When this movie comes out this weekend, the people would see this and see themselves and then see what they need to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> It's interesting, Dennis, you used the word \"mirror,\" because I believe that God uses a spouse to be like a mirror to us, and He will reveal to us how selfish we are, how greedy we can be, how we'll claim our own rights, and there's nothing like a wife to reveal to her husband his real nature.\u00a0 You know, if the people who respect him at work lived with him and had to be in that kind of relationship with him, they may realized who he is, but a spouse brings it out of us, and God did that on purpose, because a marriage relationship is supposed to really be a discipleship to the Lord to form us into the image of Christ, and if we'll see it that way rather than resisting this person, we'll say, \"God, you're revealing things that are not like Jesus that are in me that need to be dealt with so that I can more like Him.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me say something about the actors who are involved here.\u00a0 People know the name Kirk Cameron because of his TV background, and he's been in movies before.\u00a0 As far as I know, he's the only person in this film who has a Screen Actor's Guild card in his wallet.\u00a0 Everybody else is an amateur.\u00a0 First time in a film for all these folks, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, for most of them, and let me say this, too.\u00a0 All three of our movies at Sherwood Pictures that we've done, everybody has done it as a volunteer, including Kirk.\u00a0 When Kirk came down, and we began talking to him, he had seen \"Facing the Giants.\"\u00a0 He contacted us and said if you ever do a move again that I can help you with, please let me know.\u00a0 This is the type of ministry I want to help with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe gave a donation to his Camp Firefly ministry, but he pocketed nothing.\u00a0 He came down and did this movie for free just because he believed in the ministry of this love dare, of the \"Fireproof\" movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he had to audition for the part.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, he did, and you know what?\u00a0 He was humble enough to do that.\u00a0 He's done several movies and, of course, \"Growing Pains\" for years.\u00a0 He's known all over the world.\u00a0 He came down and got in line and auditioned like several hundred other people did, and that showed his humility and his desire for ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the stories, and I'm not going to say where in the movie this occurs, but there is a time when Kirk Cameron kisses his wife, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> In the movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In the movie, all right?\u00a0 And because of his stance in terms of who he's going to kiss, why don't you share with our listeners what happened when you shot that scene?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> In all three of our movies at Sherwood Pictures, we've not had two actors kiss that weren't married in real life, because we want to honor real-life marriages.\u00a0 Kirk has that same standard, and when he came there was not initially a kiss in the script, it was just an embrace.\u00a0 But it became an option for his wife, Chelsea, who is an actress, to come down to Albany, Georgia, and double for that scene.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I don't want to give everything away, but the way we shot that scene, we tried to do it creatively where when he kisses his wife in the movie, he is also kissing his wife in real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm guessing that's the first stunt double kiss scene \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(crosstalk) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2026 of Hollywood.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Maybe so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> But we were able to honor the marriage as part of the plot in the movie and honor his marriage in real life by doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I ran into Kirk, and he is a follower of Christ, as all of your actors are, and it was interesting, somehow he'd run across Homebuilders.\u00a0 He and his wife had been in our small group Bible study, Homebuilders, as a couple.\u00a0 I have no idea how he found it, but, Bob, back in Nashville, earlier this year, I ran into him and had a little brief conversation, and it's interesting, as actors go <strong>\u2013<\/strong> you know, and you guys are who have the ability behind these cameras to shoot these scenes.\u00a0 Here is a fireman.\u00a0 You know, you think of a fireman being, you know, stocky and strong <strong>\u2013<\/strong> he's a little guy, but he looks big on the screen, the way you shoot this thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he bulked up for this movie, didn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes, he did.\u00a0 He gained some weight, he started working out for us, and he really stepped up to the role of being Caleb Holt.\u00a0 And when people look at this movie, they're surprised, because they say, you know, this is not Mike Seaver, this is not Buck Williams from the \"Left Behind\" series.\u00a0 This is Caleb Holt.\u00a0 This is a totally different guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that God, in His grace and all the prayer that was going into every shooting scene that we did shows up on the screen in Kirk's performance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, and he really does fit the part.\u00a0 I mean, you know, on the screen I thought he really was a fireman and never once ever thought he didn't belong in that uniform and those rugged scenes that you guys had.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we've talked a lot about the entertainment value of the movie, and it does have a strong component of that.\u00a0 It also has a redemptive message, though, not only of presenting the Gospel clearly but also the 40-day love dare, which we haven't talked about today, but it's a book that his father gave him to begin to learn how to properly love his wife while his marriage was on the rocks.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, I'll tell you, Bob, this book, I think, is going to be used in a lot of marriages even that are good and strong marriages to make them stronger.\u00a0 It's just practice stuff from the Scriptures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yeah, and the great thing about the love dare is that if only one of you in the marriage is really committed to trying to do something and making a difference, if you say, \"I don't know that my wife and I could read a book together.\u00a0 I don't know that she cares to try to make this work.\u00a0 I don't know that my husband really cares.\"\u00a0 The love dare gives you a roadmap you can follow if it's just you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, if both of you are trying to make it work, you can still follow the prescription in the love dare, but this is a book that any husband or any wife who says, \"I am praying for a breakthrough in our marriage,\" this is a book that can help make that happen and, of course, we've got it in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 On the right side of the home page, there's a box that says \"Today's broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information about the love dare, there's more information about the movie, \"Fireproof,\" there's a link to the site that will show you what theaters it's going to be in when it opens tomorrow.\u00a0 There is also information about the book version of \"Fireproof,\" the novel that follows the same story as the movie, and then there is a link to the \"Fireproof my Marriage\" website where you can find out more resources available to help you strengthen your marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, all of that is on our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click on the right side of the home page where you see \"Today's Broadcast,\" and that will take you where you need to go.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-358-6329, 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and we'll make arrangements to get the resources you need sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the areas in marriage where things can deteriorate quickly, in fact, it's demonstrated in the movie, \"Fireproof,\" as you see Caleb and Catherine missing each other when they try to communicate, is this whole area of communication.\u00a0 We need to learn how to more effectively express ourselves to one another in marriage, and how to more effectively listen to one another in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we had a conversation not long ago, Dennis, with Emerson Eggerichs who wrote the book, \"Love and Respect.\"\u00a0 He has also written a book on communication, and we've talked with him about that.\u00a0 This month we're making available the two CDs that feature that conversation with Dr. Eggerichs as our way of saying thank you to those folks who help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a donation of any amount.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation this month, either on our website or by calling 1-800-FLTODAY, you can request these CDs, and we're happy to send them to you as our way of saying thank you for your financial support.\u00a0 If you are donating online, when you come to the keycode box on the donation form, if you'd like the CDs, type in the word \"code,\" c-o-d-e.\u00a0 And if you're calling 1-800-FLTODAY to make your donation, just mentioned that you'd like the CDs on communication.\u00a0 Again, we're happy to send them out to you.\u00a0 We appreciate your partnership with us and your financial support of this ministry, and we appreciate you getting in touch with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow we're going to talk more with Alex and Stephen Kendrick about movies and about \"Fireproof\" and about their plans for the next movie.\u00a0 We'll see what they have in mind.\u00a0 That comes up tomorrow, opening day for \"Fireproof.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 I also want to thank our friends at the WinShape Foundation for their help in getting out the word about the movie, \"Fireproof.\"\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas <strong>\u2013<\/strong> help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_______________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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until we made \"Facing the Giants,\" and so <strong>\u2013<\/strong> directing is the person who is sitting there in front of the actors and telling the story on the screen.\u00a0 The producer is behind the scenes, organizing all the equipment, working out all the scheduling, doing the shoot list, the production design for the next shot \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> The resources.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yeah, it brings all the ingredients to the kitchen so that the director can cook.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So who mixes it together to get a final edited copy?\u00a0 I mean, what <strong>\u2013<\/strong> is that the producer and the director together then?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Alex is also the editor on our movies, and I come along and polish a little bit, but he's the primary storyteller.\u00a0 God has really given him a gift in 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man.\"\u00a0 And my parents got a little concerned about this.\u00a0 They knew I wanted to make movies and Stephen's going to be a stunt man, but as we got older, got in the ministry, the Lord called us into that, we have a lot for ministry.\u00a0 We never lost the desire to tell stories using this avenue, and the Lord has been so good opening up these doors for us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Stephen, can we talk about some of the action scenes in this movie, because this was all new for you guys.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> You've made a movie about a car dealer that didn't require any pyrotechnics.\u00a0 You made a movie about football players that required some pretty sophisticated shooting for these crowd scenes and these big football games, but to have a house on fire was something completely <strong>\u2013<\/strong> or a train barreling down the track coming right at a car that's in the middle of the <strong>\u2013<\/strong> that was all new stuff for you guys, wasn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, we wanted to connect with men, too.\u00a0 We had this great storyline about marriage and about saving marriage, and we wanted to deal with the issues that couples go through, showing the fireworks that happen at home.\u00a0 But we're guys, you know, we love movies.\u00a0 We want to sit there and laugh and cry and be on the edge of our seats, and so it was like kids in a candy shop for us to say, \"Hey, let's have some explosions in this movie.\u00a0 Let's have some things catch on fire.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so when Bob came down, Dennis, you know, and we said, \"Bob, we can put you in this movie and set you on fire,\" you know?\u00a0 He refused.\u00a0 Don't you want to be in \"Fireproof?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Our listeners have heard him on fire here many times.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Tell me where you got the train, because there's a scene in this thing where one of the firemen is trying to pull this car off the tracks and, I'm telling you what, it was so close, I've now seen the movie twice, and it's like I'm sliding on my chair away from the aisles trying to get away from the train.\u00a0 Where did you get the train?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We had 16 locations in this movie and God, after prayer, gave us all of them for free.\u00a0 And one of those things that we needed was a train, and one of our local train station guys heard about us making the movie and heard about the train scene, and he said, \"I want to be a part of this.\"\u00a0 He said, \"I'll drive the train,\" you know?\u00a0 \"I'll move it forward and backwards as much as you want to.\u00a0 Let me <strong>\u2013<\/strong> let our train, you know, be in this movie.\u00a0 It was great, it was great.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's a big train.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, it is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I mean, it's just not like you go out and buy a train.\u00a0 So what do you do, rent it by the hour?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> He donated it.\u00a0 You know, and that brings up a good point.\u00a0 God <strong>\u2013<\/strong> one of a dozen <strong>\u2013<\/strong> dozens, actually, of prayers.\u00a0 You know, we got the train for free, we got a wing of the hospital for free.\u00a0 We got the fire department and the EMT and the police department help for free.\u00a0 Every location we shot in the movie was for free. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, when we begged God to do something on this movie, I mean, our whole church, Sherwood Baptist Church in Albany, Georgia, was just praying.\u00a0 God opened up so many doors, it almost became ridiculous how many prayers He was answering.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> But, you know, if I decided tomorrow that I wanted to shoot a scene with a train coming, and a guy getting his helmet knocked off by the train or a house on fire, you can't just go to the Internet and say, \"How do you shoot a scene with a guy crawling through a smoke-filled building?\"\u00a0 And you didn't learn that on any Hollywood set.\u00a0 Where did you learn how to do that?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Well, we haven't really learned anything, you know, we \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You actually burned down a house over there, did you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We did, we did.\u00a0 We know how to burn down houses.\u00a0 It's a unique situation because we haven't had the training or the experience or the money, you know, and the Lord called us to do it and in obedience to Him, we've seen God lay tracks in front of a moving train on these sets by providing everything we needed every step of the way, and that's one of the ways that we knew He was confirming that we were in His will and following Him because He kept sending perfect timing, tens of thousands of dollars, or a train to show up to help us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We've talked about everything except the entertainment value of this movie in terms of the story line.\u00a0 It's a compelling story line of a fireman who has basically been neglecting his wife.\u00a0 And I have to tell you, there's a scene that I want to play now for our listeners.\u00a0 In fact, we used this scene at many of our Weekend to Remember Marriage Conferences in our conflict resolution message, where we equip couples to know how to handle conflict in their marriage, and I have to say I think there's more Christian marriages identify with this scene in the white hot emotional intensity that Kirk Cameron, who is the male star of this movie, demonstrates than many of these Christians who attend our conferences are willing to admit.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Alex, set this scene up for us.\u00a0 What's going on?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Caleb and Catherine have been married seven years.\u00a0 He's a fireman, she works at the local hospital, and neither of them know the Lord, and after seven years, it's come to a point where they realize this marriage is not working.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs they come to the decision to divorce, and this is right before the decision, things are just explosive.\u00a0 They've got so much ammunition at each other, they're blaming each other for so much <strong>\u2013<\/strong> \"You don't appreciate me,\" and et cetera, et cetera, our marriages out there know what we're talking about that this conversation happens in the movie right before they make a decision to end it all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he's just come home, and there is nothing for dinner.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[from tape]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> What are you doing?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> I see you left me no pizza.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Caleb, I just lit that candle.\u00a0 I like the way it smells.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Well, I don't.\u00a0 Did you leave me any dinner at all?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> I assumed you were eating with Michael.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Did it not occur to you that there are two people living in this house, and both of them need to eat?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> You know what, Caleb, if you would communicate with me, maybe I could have something for you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Why do you have to make everything so difficult?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Oh, I'm making everything difficult?\u00a0 It seems to me like I'm the one carrying the weight around here while you're off doing your own thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Excuse me?\u00a0 I'm the one out there working to pay this mortgage, and I pay for both of the cars.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Yeah, and that's all you do.\u00a0 I pay all of our bills with my salary.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Which you agreed to do.\u00a0 That's fair.\u00a0 Do you not like this house?\u00a0 Do you not like your car?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Caleb, who takes care of this house \u2013 me.\u00a0 Who washes all the clothes \u2013 me.\u00a0 Who gets all the groceries \u2013 me; not to mention I'm helping my parents every weekend.\u00a0 I've got all this pressure on me, and the only thing you ever do for anybody is for yourself.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Let me tell you something, you don't know the first thing about pressure.\u00a0 All right, do you think I put out house fires for myself?\u00a0 Or rush to car wrecks at 2 a.m. for myself?\u00a0 Or pull a child's body out of a lake for myself.\u00a0 You have no idea what I go through.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> Oh, yeah, but what do you do around here other than watch TV and waste time on the Internet.\u00a0 You know what?\u00a0 Looking at that trash, how you get fulfilled, that's fine, but I will not compete with it.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong>\u00a0 Well, I sure don't get it from you!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> And you won't, because you care more about saving for your stupid boat and pleasing yourself than you ever did about me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> Stop!\u00a0 I'm sick of you!\u00a0 You disrespectful, ungrateful, selfish woman!\u00a0 How dare you say that to me!\u00a0 You constantly nag me, and you blame the life out of me!\u00a0 I'm tired of it!\u00a0 If you can't give me the respect I deserve <strong>\u2013<\/strong> look at me!\u00a0 Then what's the point in this marriage?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Catherine:<\/strong> I want out.\u00a0 I want out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Caleb:<\/strong> You want out?\u00a0 That's fine with me!\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[tape ends]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'll tell you, it gets really quiet everywhere that scene is shown, doesn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yeah, it sure does.\u00a0 And, sadly, a lot of people, if not most marriages, identify with that type of friction.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> We've had men in their 60s in the back of the theater weeping because that's how they treat their wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, the first time I saw that scene, and I have now seen it several times, it really felt abusive.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yeah.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I do think, and I have no statistical data to back this up, but my guess would be well over half of Christian marriages have experienced a scene like that couple experienced.\u00a0 Now, it may not have the threat of divorce as they were talking about there at the end, but just white-hot, emotional anger unloaded.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and our listeners could just hear it, they couldn't see it, but he was in her face.\u00a0 He was physical with her.\u00a0 He had her pinned against the wall.\u00a0 There was the threat of physical violence in the midst of that scene.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAs you set that up, were you thinking, \"We've got to take this to the limit,\" or <strong>\u2013<\/strong> I mean, what was going on in your mind?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Well, one thing was <strong>\u2013<\/strong> our goal was that we want audiences to identify with the friction.\u00a0 If they identify <strong>\u2013<\/strong> if they see themselves up on the screen, then when we take this couple through this journey of coming to know Christ and doing the things that they need to be doing as a couple, husband to wife, wife to husband, and, hopefully, will take them with us, and they'll say, \"You know, I've been here, that's also where I need to go.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> And provide them an example.\u00a0 You know, the first part of the movie is the investment and the connection.\u00a0 The last part is the payoff, and we want men and women to be able to walk out of the theater and say, \"I now have seen what I need to do in my relationship.\u00a0 I've got an example now to follow.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, and I think a lot of men identify with how he was feeling toward her <strong>\u2013<\/strong> not feeling respected.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Because for whatever reason, perhaps the wife has grown cold to the lack of love, the neglect, and it was clear he had neglected her, and so she wasn't respecting him, and it was this vicious cycle that they were in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> There is moment in that scene where he is right in her face, and he's shouting at her, and she's looking down and away, and he says \"Look at me.\"\u00a0 And just that line, and she's jolted back into looking at him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> It's very degrading.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And you're wondering, \"What's coming next?\u00a0 Is he going to strike her?\u00a0 Is he going to get physical with her?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, I want to comment on that, because <strong>\u2013<\/strong> and I don't know if you guys intended this to happen, but I wonder if this is not going to be used by God for a man to be exposed to his own behavior in like a mirror, where physical abuse, emotional abuse, verbal abuse <strong>\u2013<\/strong> he's going to finally see how disrespectful and how demeaning it is to a woman.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I pray that God is going to use this to convict many men as to how they're treating their wives.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> And the reason this kind of friction happens in a marriage, when they both feel like they have ammunition toward the other one, and they're not acting in kindness, they're not acting with patience, they're not acting in selflessness, then you're going to have these types of wars.\u00a0 We are imperfect people, and you will always have ammunition on the other person if you look for it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, you know, God has ammunition on us, but He chooses to forgive, He chooses to say, \"Here is a way out, here is a demonstration of love through Christ,\" and that's the whole point of \"Fireproof.\"\u00a0 When this movie comes out this weekend, the people would see this and see themselves and then see what they need to do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> It's interesting, Dennis, you used the word \"mirror,\" because I believe that God uses a spouse to be like a mirror to us, and He will reveal to us how selfish we are, how greedy we can be, how we'll claim our own rights, and there's nothing like a wife to reveal to her husband his real nature.\u00a0 You know, if the people who respect him at work lived with him and had to be in that kind of relationship with him, they may realized who he is, but a spouse brings it out of us, and God did that on purpose, because a marriage relationship is supposed to really be a discipleship to the Lord to form us into the image of Christ, and if we'll see it that way rather than resisting this person, we'll say, \"God, you're revealing things that are not like Jesus that are in me that need to be dealt with so that I can more like Him.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Let me say something about the actors who are involved here.\u00a0 People know the name Kirk Cameron because of his TV background, and he's been in movies before.\u00a0 As far as I know, he's the only person in this film who has a Screen Actor's Guild card in his wallet.\u00a0 Everybody else is an amateur.\u00a0 First time in a film for all these folks, is that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, for most of them, and let me say this, too.\u00a0 All three of our movies at Sherwood Pictures that we've done, everybody has done it as a volunteer, including Kirk.\u00a0 When Kirk came down, and we began talking to him, he had seen \"Facing the Giants.\"\u00a0 He contacted us and said if you ever do a move again that I can help you with, please let me know.\u00a0 This is the type of ministry I want to help with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe gave a donation to his Camp Firefly ministry, but he pocketed nothing.\u00a0 He came down and did this movie for free just because he believed in the ministry of this love dare, of the \"Fireproof\" movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he had to audition for the part.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Yes, he did, and you know what?\u00a0 He was humble enough to do that.\u00a0 He's done several movies and, of course, \"Growing Pains\" for years.\u00a0 He's known all over the world.\u00a0 He came down and got in line and auditioned like several hundred other people did, and that showed his humility and his desire for ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> One of the stories, and I'm not going to say where in the movie this occurs, but there is a time when Kirk Cameron kisses his wife, and \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> In the movie.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In the movie, all right?\u00a0 And because of his stance in terms of who he's going to kiss, why don't you share with our listeners what happened when you shot that scene?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> In all three of our movies at Sherwood Pictures, we've not had two actors kiss that weren't married in real life, because we want to honor real-life marriages.\u00a0 Kirk has that same standard, and when he came there was not initially a kiss in the script, it was just an embrace.\u00a0 But it became an option for his wife, Chelsea, who is an actress, to come down to Albany, Georgia, and double for that scene.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I don't want to give everything away, but the way we shot that scene, we tried to do it creatively where when he kisses his wife in the movie, he is also kissing his wife in real life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm guessing that's the first stunt double kiss scene \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t(crosstalk) \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u2026 of Hollywood.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Alex:<\/strong> Maybe so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> But we were able to honor the marriage as part of the plot in the movie and honor his marriage in real life by doing that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I ran into Kirk, and he is a follower of Christ, as all of your actors are, and it was interesting, somehow he'd run across Homebuilders.\u00a0 He and his wife had been in our small group Bible study, Homebuilders, as a couple.\u00a0 I have no idea how he found it, but, Bob, back in Nashville, earlier this year, I ran into him and had a little brief conversation, and it's interesting, as actors go <strong>\u2013<\/strong> you know, and you guys are who have the ability behind these cameras to shoot these scenes.\u00a0 Here is a fireman.\u00a0 You know, you think of a fireman being, you know, stocky and strong <strong>\u2013<\/strong> he's a little guy, but he looks big on the screen, the way you shoot this thing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And he bulked up for this movie, didn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Stephen:<\/strong> Yes, he did.\u00a0 He gained some weight, he started working out for us, and he really stepped up to the role of being Caleb Holt.\u00a0 And when people look at this movie, they're surprised, because they say, you know, this is not Mike Seaver, this is not Buck Williams from the \"Left Behind\" series.\u00a0 This is Caleb Holt.\u00a0 This is a totally different guy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI think that God, in His grace and all the prayer that was going into every shooting scene that we did shows up on the screen in Kirk's performance.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, and he really does fit the part.\u00a0 I mean, you know, on the screen I thought he really was a fireman and never once ever thought he didn't belong in that uniform and those rugged scenes that you guys had.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, we've talked a lot about the entertainment value of the movie, and it does have a strong component of that.\u00a0 It also has a redemptive message, though, not only of presenting the Gospel clearly but also the 40-day love dare, which we haven't talked about today, but it's a book that his father gave him to begin to learn how to properly love his wife while his marriage was on the rocks.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd, I'll tell you, Bob, this book, I think, is going to be used in a lot of marriages even that are good and strong marriages to make them stronger.\u00a0 It's just practice stuff from the Scriptures.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yeah, and the great thing about the love dare is that if only one of you in the marriage is really committed to trying to do something and making a difference, if you say, \"I don't know that my wife and I could read a book together.\u00a0 I don't know that she cares to try to make this work.\u00a0 I don't know that my husband really cares.\"\u00a0 The love dare gives you a roadmap you can follow if it's just you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, if both of you are trying to make it work, you can still follow the prescription in the love dare, but this is a book that any husband or any wife who says, \"I am praying for a breakthrough in our marriage,\" this is a book that can help make that happen and, of course, we've got it in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 On the right side of the home page, there's a box that says \"Today's broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information about the love dare, there's more information about the movie, \"Fireproof,\" there's a link to the site that will show you what theaters it's going to be in when it opens tomorrow.\u00a0 There is also information about the book version of \"Fireproof,\" the novel that follows the same story as the movie, and then there is a link to the \"Fireproof my Marriage\" website where you can find out more resources available to help you strengthen your marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, all of that is on our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 Click on the right side of the home page where you see \"Today's Broadcast,\" and that will take you where you need to go.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-358-6329, 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and we'll make arrangements to get the resources you need sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne of the areas in marriage where things can deteriorate quickly, in fact, it's demonstrated in the movie, \"Fireproof,\" as you see Caleb and Catherine missing each other when they try to communicate, is this whole area of communication.\u00a0 We need to learn how to more effectively express ourselves to one another in marriage, and how to more effectively listen to one another in marriage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd we had a conversation not long ago, Dennis, with Emerson Eggerichs who wrote the book, \"Love and Respect.\"\u00a0 He has also written a book on communication, and we've talked with him about that.\u00a0 This month we're making available the two CDs that feature that conversation with Dr. Eggerichs as our way of saying thank you to those folks who help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a donation of any amount.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWhen you make a donation this month, either on our website or by calling 1-800-FLTODAY, you can request these CDs, and we're happy to send them to you as our way of saying thank you for your financial support.\u00a0 If you are donating online, when you come to the keycode box on the donation form, if you'd like the CDs, type in the word \"code,\" c-o-d-e.\u00a0 And if you're calling 1-800-FLTODAY to make your donation, just mentioned that you'd like the CDs on communication.\u00a0 Again, we're happy to send them out to you.\u00a0 We appreciate your partnership with us and your financial support of this ministry, and we appreciate you getting in touch with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow we're going to talk more with Alex and Stephen Kendrick about movies and about \"Fireproof\" and about their plans for the next movie.\u00a0 We'll see what they have in mind.\u00a0 That comes up tomorrow, opening day for \"Fireproof.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 I also want to thank our friends at the WinShape Foundation for their help in getting out the word about the movie, \"Fireproof.\"\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back next time for another 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