{"id":301599,"date":"2008-06-05T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-06-05T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away\/"},"modified":"2008-06-05T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-06-05T15:00:00","slug":"the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away\/","title":{"rendered":"The Lord Gives, and the Lord Takes Away"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today on the broadcast, Rick Rigsby, president of Rick Rigsby Communications and chaplain for the Texas Aggies, talks to Dennis Rainey about his late wife\u2019s battle with breast cancer and her eventual death.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-06-05.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"15.61M","filesize_raw":"16366608","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2827,2855],"tags":[4928,2588],"podcast_series":[7199],"cwp_profile":[8820],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301599","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-repentance","category-teens","tag-high-school","tag-teens","podcast_series-lessons-from-a-third-grade-dropout","cwp_profile-rick-rigsby","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301599\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301599\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"geCMhuk5p5\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away\/\">The Lord Gives, and the Lord Takes Away<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/the-lord-gives-and-the-lord-takes-away\/embed\/#?secret=geCMhuk5p5\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;The Lord Gives, and the Lord Takes Away&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"geCMhuk5p5\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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was what do you think about me not how do I live?\u00a0 And I see so many Christians, so many dads, so many moms not living their full potential that God wants them to live because we are so, so gripped with this whole notion of impressionistic living.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Thursday, June 5th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We're going to learn today some of the powerful lessons Rick Rigsby learned from his father who was a third grade dropout.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Thursday edition.\u00a0 We have a guest on today's program who has his Ph.D. but, you know, I think that the street smarts that he's learned throughout his life are maybe as valuable and as important for our listeners as his academic learning is, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's our privilege today to have Dr. Rick Rigsby with us in the studio.\u00a0 Rick, welcome to FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Dennis, what a joy and an honor it is to be with you.\u00a0 Thanks a lot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It's great to have you here.\u00a0 Rick is the president and CEO of Rick Rigsby Communications.\u00a0 He is also the founder of a ministry by the same name.\u00a0 He and his wife live in College Station, Texas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Go Aggies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, I knew you'd get that in there, I knew you'd get that in there.\u00a0 They have four sons from six years old to a college graduate.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we ought to say here that one of the reasons for the disparity in the age range of your children is because you have been married twice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your first wife passed away.\u00a0 Tell our listeners how you and your first wife met.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Back in the '70s, I met the finest woman at a dance that followed a football game back in Northern California State University Chico.\u00a0 And we met, and I fell in love immediately, it took her a while.\u00a0 And we just had an incredible courtship, and I was so excited and so thrilled and so filled with passion for this woman named Trina, who became my college sweetheart.\u00a0 We dated all through college, I am so grateful I graduated in four terms \u2013 Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did it really take you that long?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> No, it didn't.\u00a0 It seemed like it did.\u00a0 As soon as I graduated from college in the late '70s, I started my career as a television news report for a CBS affiliate in Northern California.\u00a0 My wife was a registered nurse.\u00a0 Our lives were great on the outside.\u00a0 Inside, it was a different issue.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the Bible talks about how the inside of the cup is filled with rubber, in self-indulgence, yet the outside was shiny clean, and the Pharisees made sure that the outside was shiny clean.\u00a0 That was my life \u2013 Matthew 23 \u2013 that was my life.\u00a0 On the outside of the cup, television news reporter, great suits, looked awesome, great image, which meant I fit into American culture perfectly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Inside, it was all about Rick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It was all about Rick Rigsby, and it was not about pursuing actively a love affair with my wife or being a great dad.\u00a0 I was blessed to have a couple of children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you neglecting your family at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I really was, because my ego was out of control, so my job was everything.\u00a0 It was being on the news 6 and 11 at night, it was covering the San Francisco 49ers, it was covering the San Francisco Giants, it was living this glamorous life at the expense of my children.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm here to tell you that ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity.\u00a0 Pride is the burden of a foolish person, and I was caught in the crosshairs of pride.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You described yourself as coasting?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> That's exactly right, that's exactly right.\u00a0 I was going through the motions, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That was not the way you'd been raised, though?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> No, not at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your daddy had a great impact in your life, and he had really taught you to do different, hadn't he?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He had an amazing impact on my life, and it taught me quite differently.\u00a0 But the thing that I really want to stress at this point is that a lot of times we are not ready to receive those teachings from our dad until we get in the midst of crisis, and my crisis was coming.\u00a0 And one day during a simple visit to a doctor's office, my wife's physician said, \"Trina, we're concerned about this lump in your breast.\u00a0 We think we need to biopsy it.\"\u00a0 We come back a week later and get the results \u2013 breast cancer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAll of a sudden, my world came to an end.\u00a0 I am now driving by funeral homes rehearsing her funeral.\u00a0 All of a sudden, I'm up at 12:00 at night instead of focused on me I'm washing clothes for our two little children.\u00a0 All of a sudden, the stark reality that my wife needs a man and not a boy is piercing my heart with a kind of pounding that I could no longer ignore.\u00a0 I had to grow up, and I had to grow up fast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSix years after that diagnosis, me and my boys walked up to Mommy's casket and said goodbye, and for two years my heart didn't beat, and I could not make sense of things.\u00a0 It was then when a lot of the lessons that I talk about in this book from my father really started to resurface during conversations that we would have.\u00a0 Here I am in my 30s, I've coasted through my 20s.\u00a0 My wife is sick, it doesn't look very good, she goes through six years of radiation and chemotherapy and surgery, and I'm on the phone, literally, saying, \"Dad, talk to me, help me, coach me through this.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, fortunately, you had a father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, man, did I.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your book is really \u2013 it's like a tribute to your father, Roger Marion Rigsby, and you describe him in here as a strict disciplinarian.\u00a0 Now, he was one of how many children, growing up?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> He was one of seven children.\u00a0 They grew up in Huntsville, Texas.\u00a0 It's in the piney woods of East Texas, and my father left school in the third grade to help out on the family farm, but just because he left school doesn't mean that his education stopped.\u00a0 Mark Twain once said, \"I've never allowed my schooling to get in the way of my education.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy daddy taught himself how to read, he taught himself how to write, and right in the midst of Jim Crowism \u2013 my father happened to be African-American \u2013 right in the middle of Jim Crowism, my father makes a decision that he is going to hold onto the wisdom of the Bible, the wisdom he learned from his mama's knee.\u00a0 He's going to hold onto the wisdom of the Bible, he's going to stand, and he's going to be a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe's not going to be a black man, he's not going to be a white man, he's not going to be a brown man, he's going to be a man \u2013 that's the kind of model that I had.\u00a0 And I want to tell you something \u2013 what families need, in my opinion, are people who are modeling Christ \u2013 not talking Christ but modeling Christ. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHarvard Business Review, September 2004, the article is titled, \"Deep Smarts.\"\u00a0 Here is the conclusion \u2013 \"Lecturing is the worst kind of teaching method.\"\u00a0 It's what our university systems are based on.\u00a0 If you really want to get the message across, model the intended behavior.\u00a0 My daddy modeled lessons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your dad was a pretty strict disciplinarian, and you tell a story in your book that I thought was a classic.\u00a0 It had to do with some fish he'd prepared one evening for you to be able to eat.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You kind of stood him down on this deal, didn't you?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I really did.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Or at least you thought you were going to stand him down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I thought I was going to get away with it, Dennis.\u00a0 You know, we were poor, growing up, so when it was dinnertime, you were expected to be appreciative, grateful, and eat everything on your plate. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMy father had made some fish this particular evening and, all of a sudden, I thought, \"I don't like this fish anymore.\"\u00a0 I think it was baked cod, if I recall.\u00a0 And, all of a sudden, I developed this allergic reaction in my own mind to baked cod, and my father simply and unwittingly said this \u2013 \"Son, you're going to stay at that table until you finish eating that fish.\"\u00a0 That was a 6:00.\u00a0 At 10:30 I was still sitting at that table. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd you know what it points to?\u00a0 There was a time in this society when a man said something, he meant it.\u00a0 Roger Marion Rigsby meant everything that he said.\u00a0 He was a cook, a simple cook.\u00a0 He gets a job in Northern California at California Maritime Academy in Vallejo, California.\u00a0 At the height of his career, he's making $500 a month.\u00a0 That's at the height of his career, Dennis.\u00a0 But he's cooking at a school that trains merchant seamen.\u00a0 These are the folks that go into the maritime industry.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn order to graduate from this particular school, they have to go to sea three months out of every year.\u00a0 My father is on the support staff at this school.\u00a0 He's a cook, which means he has to go to sea right along with these midshipmen.\u00a0 In all those years working at California Maritime Academy, he was teaching me lessons that it took me a while to go back and revisit, but listen to the power of these lessons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Son, I've been all over the world.\u00a0 I've seen good and bad in every shade.\u00a0 Don't judge a person based on what you see.\"\u00a0 I mean, is that not the face of Jesus?\u00a0 It was Jonathan Swift who said, \"Vision is the ability to see the invisible.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Son, you'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.\"\u00a0 My dad, Dennis, had the breakfast and lunch shift \u2013 5 in the morning until 1:00 in the afternoon.\u00a0 California Maritime Academy was 15 minutes from our house, which means he could have probably left at 4:30.\u00a0 My mother said in all the years he worked, he left home every day at 3:45 in the morning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He got there an hour early.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And, you know, what I didn't realize, Dennis, until I got into my 40s is that my father wasn't talking about time, he was talking about discipline.\u00a0 The Bible says, \"For the moment, all discipline is painful rather than pleasurable but later it yields peaceful fruits of righteousness to those that are trained by it.\"\u00a0 My father was saying, \"Son, live a disciplined life.\u00a0 Live your life on purpose.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to know what happened at 10:30.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fish had been on the plate; had to be stone cold by then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you ever eat any of that fish?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, yes, I did.\u00a0 In fact, I was not released from my sentence at the kitchen table until several bites of that fish was consumed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So at 10:30 \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> At 10:30 at night \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What'd you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I finished eating probably seven or eight bites.\u00a0 I walked into what we used to call the TV room.\u00a0 My dad was half asleep but promising me that he was watching every moment of the Giants-Dodgers game, and I said, \"Dad, I've eaten several pieces of fish.\"\u00a0 He says, \"Let me see your plate.\"\u00a0 I go back to the kitchen, bring my plate to my father.\u00a0 He says, \"That's enough.\u00a0 You can now brush your teeth and go to bed, son.\"\u00a0 That was when I was 10 years old and what Daddy was saying is this \u2013 when Daddy says something, he means it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou see, Roger Rigsby was not wishy-washy in the least.\u00a0 If he said \"eat the fish\" then eat the fish.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> (chuckling) Yeah, that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I can't help but smile as you tell those stories about your dad, and it reminds me of my home where I grew up.\u00a0 My parents' word was pretty much rock solid.\u00a0 I mean, if they said it, and I disobeyed it, I knew what was going to happen, and I can still remember the last spanking I received because I didn't do what my Mom asked me to do and, as I recall, I was about 12 years old.\u00a0 Now, today, you know, that's virtually unheard of in this culture that a child would get a spanking at 12 years old for being disobedient, but I flagrantly disobeyed my mom, and I knew that if she didn't take care of it, my dad would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to take you back, though, to the time when you finished coasting.\u00a0 You had been dealing with your wife's illness and, undoubtedly, the process of going through that illness bit-by-bit of watching her die and watching her struggle with that disease had to have a profound impact upon your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring the last days of her life, did she have an impact on you as you witnessed how she handled death?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness, Dennis, yes.\u00a0 You know, my wife, Trina, never complained one time in six years.\u00a0 She was always more concerned about me and the children.\u00a0 I would watch her fold a shirt in front of our little son, Andrew, and I would listen to her say to Andrew, \"Mommy's not always going to be here.\u00a0 You need to learn how to fold this shirt.\"\u00a0 Andrew is only five years old not understanding what's going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI watched with profound salience my wife walk the talk.\u00a0 In Philippians 3:10, the Scripture says \"That I may know Him, the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering.\"\u00a0 Trina had written in the margin of her Bible, \"My purpose for living.\"\u00a0 And, I want to tell you, Dennis, that woman lived it.\u00a0 She lived it.\u00a0 She never complained.\u00a0 I know that she had to have been frustrated and upset over unmerited, unwarranted circumstances, but she lived Job, chapter 1, \"Naked I came from my mother's womb and naked I shall return.\u00a0 The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away blessed be the name of the Lord,\" and through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God.\u00a0 That's the way Trina lived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to get to the focal point of your question, the most profound thing that happened was just days before she died.\u00a0 Now she's not that brick house anymore that I met back in the '70s.\u00a0 It's 1996, she's been battling cancer since 1990.\u00a0 She has no hair because of chemotherapy.\u00a0 Her little tummy is pooched out, the result of a liver no longer working.\u00a0 She weighs about 70 pounds.\u00a0 I'd carry her to the bathroom, just skin and bones.\u00a0 Her breathing was labored, and she knew that she was just days away from going home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne day, in that condition, she looked at me, and she said these words \u2013 she said, \"It doesn't matter to me any longer how long I live.\u00a0 What really matters most of all is how I live.\"\u00a0 That can't help but have a profound impact on a person, especially a person who could have cared less how they lived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI made a decision, I made a couple of decisions at the casket.\u00a0 I'm looking at my lover, my best friend, the mother of my children, my wife of over 20 years, and I'm wondering how I'm going to make it.\u00a0 And I said to Trina, as her body lay in that box, I said, \"Most of my life I have focused on how I look, and I've heard you say to me, just a week ago before you went home, it doesn't matter to you any longer how long you live.\u00a0 What matters most is how you live.\u00a0 Trina, I promise you that with God's help, I'm going to try to live more of a godly life.\u00a0 I am going to try to be the man that God called me to be.\u00a0 I'm going to try to rear our children not so much with my words but by modeling Christ, having the same attitude that He had, loving people, encouraging people.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really think it takes, sometimes, a tragedy to save us from ourselves.\u00a0 I had to be saved from myself.\u00a0 I was a Christian, Dennis, but yet people's opinions meant so much to me.\u00a0 Sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No, that's okay, I can \u2013 well, I can't begin to imagine saying goodbye to my wife, I really can't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And I don't want you to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I read in your book where you said it was the most difficult thing you've ever faced in your life.\u00a0 You also tell the story of how her death impacted your daddy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And how he stood by her casket \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And for one of the first times in your life you saw him actually break down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\u00a0 My father was one of those staunch, tough, big, Texans.\u00a0 You can just imagine the image, and I'd only seen him emotional two times prior.\u00a0 Once when Willie McCovey retired as the first baseman for the Giants.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, that's a tragic moment right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And the other was April 4, 1968, when an assassination's bullet took the life of Martin Luther King.\u00a0 Those were the only two times I had seen him just close to tears, but I'd never seen my dad cry.\u00a0 And I'm in my 40s and never seen him cry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so my dad reared boys \u2013 my brother and I \u2013 never had a daughter.\u00a0 Trina was his daughter.\u00a0 I met Trina in the early 1970s, and she had been part of our family for over 20 years.\u00a0 So he walks up to her casket, and I'll never forget, Dennis, he caresses the hand that used to caress him, and he just broke down, and he cried.\u00a0 But then something amazing happened, if you'll allow me to just tell it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was my turn now to see Trina for the last time, but before I did, Daddy turned to me, whispered Ephesians 6 in my ear to be strong in the Lord, the power of His might.\u00a0 And then he told me three words, he said, \"Son, just stand.\"\u00a0 He didn't say anything else, but I knew exactly what he meant.\u00a0 We never finished that conversation because my daddy died a year later, but I knew what he meant.\u00a0 What he meant was, \"I've invested in you for 40 years for this moment.\u00a0 Not for the good moments, not for the moments when everybody likes you, not when you're releasing balloons under sunny skies, but I've invested 40 years of my life so that at the most critical juncture of your life, you'll stand.\u00a0 You need to stand, and you need to show those boys who you're following today, whose faith your standing on.\u00a0 You need to stand.\u00a0 Your mother and I need to see you stand.\u00a0 You'll have questions, you'll have issues, your life will never be normal again, but you have to get to a point where you say, 'Naked, I came from my mother's womb; naked, I shall return.'\u00a0 Sometimes the Lord gives, and that's His business.\u00a0 Sometimes the Lord takes away, that's His business.\u00a0 But by me standing at this casket, I am saying, regardless of what happens, blessed be the name of the Lord.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt's like Jehosaphat in 2 Chronicles, chapter 20 saying, \"We're powerless, we're afraid, we don't know what to do but, God, our eyes are on you.\"\u00a0 That was what Roger Rigsby left me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, you know, as you tell that story, and as I see you point heavenward, that your dad took the time \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Even as you were an adult man with all the adult responsibilities of a wife and children and, at that point, facing life without your spouse, his charge was to follow Jesus Christ, his charge to you.\u00a0 And I think there are undoubtedly a number of dads and grandfathers listening right now who need to understand that their model, just like Roger's model, your dad, is, indeed, powerful.\u00a0 Your words are also powerful.\u00a0 They never stop being powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember some of the last words my father ever said to me and some of the last times we had together before his death in 1976, and there have been many, many times, Rick, in the past 30-plus years when I wish my father was around to ask him a question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if you are a dad right now, and you're listening to us, I want to think about your assignment.\u00a0 What a privilege God has given you to shape the character, the life, the relationship of the next generation.\u00a0 Do it well, and just as Rick's dad charged him, stand firm, son, stand firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and this is the time of year when those memories and those longings can be stirred up.\u00a0 I think of a lot of the questions I wish I'd asked my dad before he died, or the time that I wish I could have spent with him before he died.\u00a0 And now, as a father myself, I want to make sure that I'm available and investing and connecting with my sons and with my daughters and that I'm passing on some of the lessons that God's impressed on my heart over a lifetime.\u00a0 And some of them are the same lessons that you talk about in your book, \"Lessons From a Third-Grade Dropout.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a book we've got in our FamilyLife Resource Center that I think a lot of dads could benefit from reading and from just taking the theme of each chapter and sitting down at dinner one night and talking about Chapter 1 which is about kindness, talking about that with your children; or Chapter 4, which is about helping others; Chapter 5 about doing a job right; Chapter 6 about character.\u00a0 These are the kinds of lessons that dads should be passing on to their children and, again, we've got this book in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur listeners can go to our website at FamilyLife.com, and on the right side of the screen, you'll see a box that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information about Rick's book.\u00a0 You can read a transcript of today's program and, in fact, leave comments for us about the program down at the end of the transcript.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLife.com, and you want to click on the right side where you see \"Today's Broadcast\" listed.\u00a0 Or if it's easier to request a copy of Rick's book by calling, our telephone number if 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-368-6329, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 Just ask for a copy of the book, \"Lessons from a Third Grade Dropout,\" and someone on our team will let you know how you can have it sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, a lot of our listeners would likely have what they would refer to as a \"dad deficit.\"\u00a0 Either Dad wasn't in the home when they were growing up, or he was there, but he was unplugged, he was disconnected, and, as a result, a lot of listeners have grown up confused about what manhood is supposed to look like.\u00a0 It just never got passed along.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis month, we are making available to our listeners a CD with a great message from our friend, Stu Weber.\u00a0 Stu is a former Army Ranger, a Green Beret, who is now pastor of a church in suburban Portland, Oregon.\u00a0 He spoke to our staff a while back on the subject of masculinity \u2013 \"Understanding Manhood.\"\u00a0 It's a message we've called \"Applied Masculinity,\" and this month we're making a CD of that message available to our listeners when you make a donation of any amount for the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can donate online at FamilyLife.com, or you can donate by calling 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 If you're donating online, and you'd like to receive the CD, you need to type the word \"Stu,\" s-t-u \u2013 into the keycode box on the donation form.\u00a0\u00a0 If you call 1-800-FLTODAY and make a donation over the phone, you can just request the CD on manhood or this month's CD, we'll know what you're talking about, and we're happy to send it out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe just want to say thanks for helping to support the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 We are listener-supported, and it's your donations that keep us on the air on this city and in other cities all around the country.\u00a0 We appreciate your partnership with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, tomorrow we have got more lessons that Dr. Rick Rigsby learned from his father who was a third grade dropout.\u00a0 I hope you can be with us as we unpack some of those tomorrow.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back next time for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas \u2013 help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_______________________________________________________________\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts 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have you here.\u00a0 Rick is the president and CEO of Rick Rigsby Communications.\u00a0 He is also the founder of a ministry by the same name.\u00a0 He and his wife live in College Station, Texas.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Go Aggies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, I knew you'd get that in there, I knew you'd get that in there.\u00a0 They have four sons from six years old to a college graduate.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And we ought to say here that one of the reasons for the disparity in the age range of your children is because you have been married twice.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your first wife passed away.\u00a0 Tell our listeners how you and your first wife met.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Back in the '70s, I met the finest woman at a dance that followed a football game back in Northern California State University Chico.\u00a0 And we met, and I fell in love immediately, it took her a while.\u00a0 And we just had an incredible courtship, and I was so excited and so thrilled and so filled with passion for this woman named Trina, who became my college sweetheart.\u00a0 We dated all through college, I am so grateful I graduated in four terms \u2013 Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did it really take you that long?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> No, it didn't.\u00a0 It seemed like it did.\u00a0 As soon as I graduated from college in the late '70s, I started my career as a television news report for a CBS affiliate in Northern California.\u00a0 My wife was a registered nurse.\u00a0 Our lives were great on the outside.\u00a0 Inside, it was a different issue.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, the Bible talks about how the inside of the cup is filled with rubber, in self-indulgence, yet the outside was shiny clean, and the Pharisees made sure that the outside was shiny clean.\u00a0 That was my life \u2013 Matthew 23 \u2013 that was my life.\u00a0 On the outside of the cup, television news reporter, great suits, looked awesome, great image, which meant I fit into American culture perfectly.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Hm. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Inside, it was all about Rick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It was all about Rick Rigsby, and it was not about pursuing actively a love affair with my wife or being a great dad.\u00a0 I was blessed to have a couple of children.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Were you neglecting your family at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I really was, because my ego was out of control, so my job was everything.\u00a0 It was being on the news 6 and 11 at night, it was covering the San Francisco 49ers, it was covering the San Francisco Giants, it was living this glamorous life at the expense of my children.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI'm here to tell you that ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity.\u00a0 Pride is the burden of a foolish person, and I was caught in the crosshairs of pride.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You described yourself as coasting?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> That's exactly right, that's exactly right.\u00a0 I was going through the motions, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That was not the way you'd been raised, though?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> No, not at all.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Your daddy had a great impact in your life, and he had really taught you to do 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pounding that I could no longer ignore.\u00a0 I had to grow up, and I had to grow up fast.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSix years after that diagnosis, me and my boys walked up to Mommy's casket and said goodbye, and for two years my heart didn't beat, and I could not make sense of things.\u00a0 It was then when a lot of the lessons that I talk about in this book from my father really started to resurface during conversations that we would have.\u00a0 Here I am in my 30s, I've coasted through my 20s.\u00a0 My wife is sick, it doesn't look very good, she goes through six years of radiation and chemotherapy and surgery, and I'm on the phone, literally, saying, \"Dad, talk to me, help me, coach me through this.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, fortunately, you had a father.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, man, did I.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Your book is really \u2013 it's like a 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to sea right along with these midshipmen.\u00a0 In all those years working at California Maritime Academy, he was teaching me lessons that it took me a while to go back and revisit, but listen to the power of these lessons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Son, I've been all over the world.\u00a0 I've seen good and bad in every shade.\u00a0 Don't judge a person based on what you see.\"\u00a0 I mean, is that not the face of Jesus?\u00a0 It was Jonathan Swift who said, \"Vision is the ability to see the invisible.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"Son, you'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.\"\u00a0 My dad, Dennis, had the breakfast and lunch shift \u2013 5 in the morning until 1:00 in the afternoon.\u00a0 California Maritime Academy was 15 minutes from our house, which means he could have probably left at 4:30.\u00a0 My mother said in all the years he worked, he left home every day at 3:45 in the morning.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> He got there an hour early.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And, you know, what I didn't realize, Dennis, until I got into my 40s is that my father wasn't talking about time, he was talking about discipline.\u00a0 The Bible says, \"For the moment, all discipline is painful rather than pleasurable but later it yields peaceful fruits of righteousness to those that are trained by it.\"\u00a0 My father was saying, \"Son, live a disciplined life.\u00a0 Live your life on purpose.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I want to know what happened at 10:30.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe fish had been on the plate; had to be stone cold by then.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> It was.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Did you ever eat any of that fish?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, yes, I did.\u00a0 In fact, I was not released from my sentence at the kitchen table until several bites of that fish was consumed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> So at 10:30 \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> At 10:30 at night \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> What'd you do?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> I finished eating probably seven or eight bites.\u00a0 I walked into what we used to call the TV room.\u00a0 My dad was half asleep but promising me that he was watching every moment of the Giants-Dodgers game, and I said, \"Dad, I've eaten several pieces of fish.\"\u00a0 He says, \"Let me see your plate.\"\u00a0 I go back to the kitchen, bring my plate to my father.\u00a0 He says, \"That's enough.\u00a0 You can now brush your teeth and go to bed, son.\"\u00a0 That was when I was 10 years old and what Daddy was saying is this \u2013 when Daddy says something, he means it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou see, Roger Rigsby was not wishy-washy in the least.\u00a0 If he said \"eat the fish\" then eat the fish.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> (chuckling) Yeah, that's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, I can't help but smile as you tell those stories about your dad, and it reminds me of my home where I grew up.\u00a0 My parents' word was pretty much rock solid.\u00a0 I mean, if they said it, and I disobeyed it, I knew what was going to happen, and I can still remember the last spanking I received because I didn't do what my Mom asked me to do and, as I recall, I was about 12 years old.\u00a0 Now, today, you know, that's virtually unheard of in this culture that a child would get a spanking at 12 years old for being disobedient, but I flagrantly disobeyed my mom, and I knew that if she didn't take care of it, my dad would.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to take you back, though, to the time when you finished coasting.\u00a0 You had been dealing with your wife's illness and, undoubtedly, the process of going through that illness bit-by-bit of watching her die and watching her struggle with that disease had to have a profound impact upon your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDuring the last days of her life, did she have an impact on you as you witnessed how she handled death?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Oh, my goodness, Dennis, yes.\u00a0 You know, my wife, Trina, never complained one time in six years.\u00a0 She was always more concerned about me and the children.\u00a0 I would watch her fold a shirt in front of our little son, Andrew, and I would listen to her say to Andrew, \"Mommy's not always going to be here.\u00a0 You need to learn how to fold this shirt.\"\u00a0 Andrew is only five years old not understanding what's going on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI watched with profound salience my wife walk the talk.\u00a0 In Philippians 3:10, the Scripture says \"That I may know Him, the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering.\"\u00a0 Trina had written in the margin of her Bible, \"My purpose for living.\"\u00a0 And, I want to tell you, Dennis, that woman lived it.\u00a0 She lived it.\u00a0 She never complained.\u00a0 I know that she had to have been frustrated and upset over unmerited, unwarranted circumstances, but she lived Job, chapter 1, \"Naked I came from my mother's womb and naked I shall return.\u00a0 The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away blessed be the name of the Lord,\" and through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God.\u00a0 That's the way Trina lived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut to get to the focal point of your question, the most profound thing that happened was just days before she died.\u00a0 Now she's not that brick house anymore that I met back in the '70s.\u00a0 It's 1996, she's been battling cancer since 1990.\u00a0 She has no hair because of chemotherapy.\u00a0 Her little tummy is pooched out, the result of a liver no longer working.\u00a0 She weighs about 70 pounds.\u00a0 I'd carry her to the bathroom, just skin and bones.\u00a0 Her breathing was labored, and she knew that she was just days away from going home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOne day, in that condition, she looked at me, and she said these words \u2013 she said, \"It doesn't matter to me any longer how long I live.\u00a0 What really matters most of all is how I live.\"\u00a0 That can't help but have a profound impact on a person, especially a person who could have cared less how they lived.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI made a decision, I made a couple of decisions at the casket.\u00a0 I'm looking at my lover, my best friend, the mother of my children, my wife of over 20 years, and I'm wondering how I'm going to make it.\u00a0 And I said to Trina, as her body lay in that box, I said, \"Most of my life I have focused on how I look, and I've heard you say to me, just a week ago before you went home, it doesn't matter to you any longer how long you live.\u00a0 What matters most is how you live.\u00a0 Trina, I promise you that with God's help, I'm going to try to live more of a godly life.\u00a0 I am going to try to be the man that God called me to be.\u00a0 I'm going to try to rear our children not so much with my words but by modeling Christ, having the same attitude that He had, loving people, encouraging people.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI really think it takes, sometimes, a tragedy to save us from ourselves.\u00a0 I had to be saved from myself.\u00a0 I was a Christian, Dennis, but yet people's opinions meant so much to me.\u00a0 Sorry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No, that's okay, I can \u2013 well, I can't begin to imagine saying goodbye to my wife, I really can't.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And I don't want you to.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And I read in your book where you said it was the most difficult thing you've ever faced in your life.\u00a0 You also tell the story of how her death impacted your daddy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And how he stood by her casket \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And for one of the first times in your life you saw him actually break down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\u00a0 My father was one of those staunch, tough, big, Texans.\u00a0 You can just imagine the image, and I'd only seen him emotional two times prior.\u00a0 Once when Willie McCovey retired as the first baseman for the Giants.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yeah, that's a tragic moment right there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> And the other was April 4, 1968, when an assassination's bullet took the life of Martin Luther King.\u00a0 Those were the only two times I had seen him just close to tears, but I'd never seen my dad cry.\u00a0 And I'm in my 40s and never seen him cry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so my dad reared boys \u2013 my brother and I \u2013 never had a daughter.\u00a0 Trina was his daughter.\u00a0 I met Trina in the early 1970s, and she had been part of our family for over 20 years.\u00a0 So he walks up to her casket, and I'll never forget, Dennis, he caresses the hand that used to caress him, and he just broke down, and he cried.\u00a0 But then something amazing happened, if you'll allow me to just tell it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt was my turn now to see Trina for the last time, but before I did, Daddy turned to me, whispered Ephesians 6 in my ear to be strong in the Lord, the power of His might.\u00a0 And then he told me three words, he said, \"Son, just stand.\"\u00a0 He didn't say anything else, but I knew exactly what he meant.\u00a0 We never finished that conversation because my daddy died a year later, but I knew what he meant.\u00a0 What he meant was, \"I've invested in you for 40 years for this moment.\u00a0 Not for the good moments, not for the moments when everybody likes you, not when you're releasing balloons under sunny skies, but I've invested 40 years of my life so that at the most critical juncture of your life, you'll stand.\u00a0 You need to stand, and you need to show those boys who you're following today, whose faith your standing on.\u00a0 You need to stand.\u00a0 Your mother and I need to see you stand.\u00a0 You'll have questions, you'll have issues, your life will never be normal again, but you have to get to a point where you say, 'Naked, I came from my mother's womb; naked, I shall return.'\u00a0 Sometimes the Lord gives, and that's His business.\u00a0 Sometimes the Lord takes away, that's His business.\u00a0 But by me standing at this casket, I am saying, regardless of what happens, blessed be the name of the Lord.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt's like Jehosaphat in 2 Chronicles, chapter 20 saying, \"We're powerless, we're afraid, we don't know what to do but, God, our eyes are on you.\"\u00a0 That was what Roger Rigsby left me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And, you know, as you tell that story, and as I see you point heavenward, that your dad took the time \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Even as you were an adult man with all the adult responsibilities of a wife and children and, at that point, facing life without your spouse, his charge was to follow Jesus Christ, his charge to you.\u00a0 And I think there are undoubtedly a number of dads and grandfathers listening right now who need to understand that their model, just like Roger's model, your dad, is, indeed, powerful.\u00a0 Your words are also powerful.\u00a0 They never stop being powerful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI remember some of the last words my father ever said to me and some of the last times we had together before his death in 1976, and there have been many, many times, Rick, in the past 30-plus years when I wish my father was around to ask him a question.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Rick:<\/strong> Yes, sir.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And if you are a dad right now, and you're listening to us, I want to think about your assignment.\u00a0 What a privilege God has given you to shape the character, the life, the relationship of the next generation.\u00a0 Do it well, and just as Rick's dad charged him, stand firm, son, stand firm.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, and this is the time of year when those memories and those longings can be stirred up.\u00a0 I think of a lot of the questions I wish I'd asked my dad before he died, or the time that I wish I could have spent with him before he died.\u00a0 And now, as a father myself, I want to make sure that I'm available and investing and connecting with my sons and with my daughters and that I'm passing on some of the lessons that God's impressed on my heart over a lifetime.\u00a0 And some of them are the same lessons that you talk about in your book, \"Lessons From a Third-Grade Dropout.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis is a book we've got in our FamilyLife Resource Center that I think a lot of dads could benefit from reading and from just taking the theme of each chapter and sitting down at dinner one night and talking about Chapter 1 which is about kindness, talking about that with your children; or Chapter 4, which is about helping others; Chapter 5 about doing a job right; Chapter 6 about character.\u00a0 These are the kinds of lessons that dads should be passing on to their children and, again, we've got this book in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOur listeners can go to our website at FamilyLife.com, and on the right side of the screen, you'll see a box that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information about Rick's book.\u00a0 You can read a transcript of today's program and, in fact, leave comments for us about the program down at the end of the transcript.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLife.com, and you want to click on the right side where you see \"Today's Broadcast\" listed.\u00a0 Or if it's easier to request a copy of Rick's book by calling, our telephone number if 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-368-6329, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 Just ask for a copy of the book, \"Lessons from a Third Grade Dropout,\" and someone on our team will let you know how you can have it sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, a lot of our listeners would likely have what they would refer to as a \"dad deficit.\"\u00a0 Either Dad wasn't in the home when they were growing up, or he was there, but he was unplugged, he was disconnected, and, as a result, a lot of listeners have grown up confused about what manhood is supposed to look like.\u00a0 It just never got passed along.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThis month, we are making available to our listeners a CD with a great message from our friend, Stu Weber.\u00a0 Stu is a former Army Ranger, a Green Beret, who is now pastor of a church in suburban Portland, Oregon.\u00a0 He spoke to our staff a while back on the subject of masculinity \u2013 \"Understanding Manhood.\"\u00a0 It's a message we've called \"Applied Masculinity,\" and this month we're making a CD of that message available to our listeners when you make a donation of any amount for the ministry of 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