{"id":301595,"date":"2008-05-27T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-05-27T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2\/"},"modified":"2008-05-27T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-05-27T15:00:00","slug":"celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Celebrating Men of Courage, Part 2"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Men and women throughout the years have risked their lives for freedom.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-05-27.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"13.02M","filesize_raw":"13650326","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2826],"tags":[2955,5003],"podcast_series":[7308],"cwp_profile":[8893],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301595","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-men","tag-military","tag-veterens","podcast_series-a-gathering-of-eagles","cwp_profile-col-jim-coy","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301595\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301595\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"feP4jMhHiL\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2\/\">Celebrating Men of Courage, Part 2<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/celebrating-men-of-courage-part-2\/embed\/#?secret=feP4jMhHiL\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Celebrating Men of Courage, Part 2&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"feP4jMhHiL\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Coolidge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He was leading a group of soldiers who were mostly replacements, and they came under fire from a German armored unit and infantry, and as the battle ensued, the Germans came up on this small number of Americans and a tank commander began to fire point-blank range at Charles Coolidge with this tank cannon.\u00a0 Over the course of time, Charles was running between these soldiers, who were replacements, and pulled the enemy under fire, encouraging these men to go ahead, continue firing and keep firing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We honor the bravery of men like Charles Coolidge with the Medal of Honor.\u00a0 For Charles himself, there is another, more profound bravery, a deeper kind of valor that was shown thousands of years earlier on a different hillside.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> The interesting part about it, as Charles will talk, he'll say, you know, he'll speak about the action on a hill in France, and he received the Medal of Honor, but he will \u2013 almost every time, he'll run a parallel course, and he'll say I just want you to know, though, that there was another battle that was fought and won, and it was on the hill in Calvary, which is much more important than Hill 623 in Southern France where I was awarded the Medal of Honor \u2013 so a deep man of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, May 27th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Today we'll hear the stories of men who fought and who were willing to die to protect our freedom, men who won the Congressional Medal of Honor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 You know, I have heard over the years, people refer to you as someone who inspires courage in others by challenging couples to honor their marriage commitment, by encouraging parents to hang in there and to persevere as they raise their children, their sons and their daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I remember a story you told on FamilyLife Today about being at a junior high dance and having to move in and get these kids who were dancings inappropriately to break it up, and I remember you saying it took some courage, and it surprised you that it took courage to confront these junior high kids about what they were doing, but I remember my wife hearing that story, and it gave her courage to confront some kids that she was watching who were acting inappropriately.\u00a0 And I do think that we inspire courage in others when we do things that they see as courageous things, don't you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We do, and we need to hear about courageous people because these are days when we need to be courageous.\u00a0 We don't need to be passive.\u00a0 I spoke yesterday about a volume in my library that is one of my most prized books \u2013 the Congressional Medal of Honor recipients, and it's their stories.\u00a0 And, Bob, the book is about \u2013 it's close to three, four inches thick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are hundreds of stories in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, it goes all the way back to the Civil War, and I read those stories sometimes just to be encouraged \u2013 en-couraged \u2013 to be given courage, because courage does fuel our spirits to dare mighty things.\u00a0 Life has a way of knocking the props out from under us, and I'm excited that yesterday and today we've had a chance to talk to Colonel Jim Coy, who has written a book called \"Valor, A Gathering of Eagles,\" and, Jim, I want to welcome you back to FamilyLife Today, and I want to thank you, too, for putting this book together, because this gives me courage.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely.\u00a0 I'm just reminded, as you talk about courage, a number of the men will talk about courage in the book, and many of them will talk about, you know, there are two types of courage.\u00a0 There is a physical courage and a moral courage, and as these men reflect on that, having demonstrated physical courage, they will often say it's more difficult to have moral courage than it is to have physical courage.\u00a0 And the men who say that, all of them seem to have both.\u00a0 They exhibited physical courage, but they also have tremendous moral courage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Colonel Coy has served in the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, two years as the national president of the Special Operations Medical Association \u2013 so that means, Bob, if you need an operation or two, we can take care of that right on the spot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If something happens here in the studio, you can probably \u2013 you've got a little black bag you carry with you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I could say you're real sick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But this book is about 117 Medal of Honor recipients, but specifically you have 11 \u2013 11 who give advice around their spiritual values, their own personal faith, and one of the stories that Bob and I ran across, we wanted to hear you tell, was Henry Irwin, who was a U.S. Army pilot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Yes, in fact, let me \u2013 I'll step back.\u00a0 He wasn't the pilot of the aircraft, he was one of the crew members, but he does make it all the way to the cockpit, and I'll explain the story.\u00a0 Red Irwin \u2013 \"Red\" because he had red hair \u2013 he's now passed away \u2013 lived in Alabama, was severely injured in the incident that he was awarded the Medal of Honor for, and what happened was they were marking positions as they flew over the Japanese, they were the lead aircraft, and he was to push through a tube a white phosphorous grenade, which would mark the area for the other aircraft that were following to bomb, and they hit a wind current as he slid that into the tube, and it started to exit the aircraft but was blown back into the aircraft.\u00a0 And white phosphorous will burn to the point that it will burn through metal.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it's filling the plane full of smoke, it's burning through metal, and he worked, as a young man, in a foundry, so he knew what burns were in intense heat, and this heat is like no other heat.\u00a0 I can't remember how many hundred degrees it burns at, but it's phenomenally hot, and he picked up this white phosphorous shell, basically, and pulled it to his chest and started to walk toward the front of the aircraft, and the crew members that were around said they could hear the skin just burning, boiling off of him, and one of the men, I remember saying, \"I don't think I could have done that myself.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it would burn through the aircraft where it would fill the aircraft with smoke.\u00a0 In fact, the aircraft began to lose altitude from all the smoke.\u00a0 The pilot and the copilot could not see.\u00a0 As Henry Irwin, \"Red\" Irwin, tells the story, he said, \"As I started to walk toward the front, there was an angel beside me, and that angel just started to say to me, 'Go, go, go,' over and over, and I just kept going to the front of the aircraft.\"\u00a0 And the commander of the aircraft relates the story like this \u2013 he said, \"I turned around, and Henry was there, and he was on fire and burning up, and he said, 'Excuse me, sir, could you open your window so I could throw this out the window?'\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The front window of the aircraft?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> The front window of the aircraft.\u00a0 The pilot's window, and Henry throws it out of the plane, and then he collapses, and they returned \u2013 they immediately turned back and flew to their base, and the act was such an act of heroism that it was the fastest-recorded paperwork transition for the Medal of Honor that's ever occurred.\u00a0 I think the Medal of Honor was awarded to him within something like two days.\u00a0 They did not expect him to live, and what they wanted him to know was that he received the Medal of Honor before he died.\u00a0 And he was blinded by that.\u00a0 He didn't live blinded.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe came back \u2013 his forearm and chest, I think, I don't know how many hundred plastic surgeries he had over the course of years \u2013 came back to Alabama, continued to serve his nation, worked with the VA, and raised a family and stayed true and married to his wife.\u00a0 In fact, he had met his wife, I think, when I heard this story from her, as she tells it, in church, and she said she knew he would be a good man to marry, because she had met him in church so \u2013 a phenomenal story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What's amazing is how many of these guys did actually survive \u2013 I mean \u2013 I think of guys throwing themselves on grenades or guys who pick up phosphorous grenades \u2013 how anyone survives anything like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> It's an amazing thing, you know, one, given occasion, it seems like somebody will die of something that they should have, in fact, survived, and someone else will survive something that you would think is unsurvivable.\u00a0 It's unexplainable.\u00a0 I know that there are people who will talk about the POW experience, especially the Bataan Death March, some of the survivors I've talked to, and they'll say, \"I survived because I had hope.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were men who were perfectly healthy who died because they gave up hope, but there were men who survived who should have died, but they had hope, and they survived.\u00a0 I don't know whether that is hope and faith and God's divine providence and God's plan to use these other people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMany of the people in the book, as they speak, will talk about the fact that God had another plan or had a plan to continue to use them for their lives.\u00a0 In fact, many of the fellows who write their story and who occur in that video, \"Valor,\" will talk about God had a plan for my life, and the plan for my life was for me to be awarded the Medal of Honor so I, in fact, can tell other people about why I have a faith in God, and it turns the hearts of other people to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You write about a U.S. Army man \u2013 Rudy Hernandez \u2013 who served in Korea and carried a unique business card.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Yes, Rudy will carry a card \u2013 in fact, two or three of the recipients, on the back of my card, my business card, I have four or five Scriptures.\u00a0 It just lets them know right up front that I intend to live by those verses, and that I have a faith, and Rudy Hernandez has the Gospel \u2013 \"I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,\" and he tells the story in the book \u2013 in fact, his story is titled, \"I Am Not Ashamed.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And on the front of the business card is the Medal of Honor, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> That's correct, it is \u2013 the icon.\u00a0 What we might now call the icon or the image of the Medal of Honor that he received and then his name, address, phone number, but when you turn the card over, then you'll see the Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What does the medal look like?\u00a0 I don't know that I've ever seen it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> On the cover of the book \u2013 in fact, there are three variations of the medal, and it has changed.\u00a0 They are all a star, a gold-appearing star.\u00a0 They have a blue ribbon \u2013 it's a sky-blue ribbon, and then there are 13 stars on a disk, and that disk, I think, has eight edges on it, and then it hangs down so the one for the Air Force has the Statue of Liberty's head on it; the Navy has a little different one \u2013 it hangs from an anchor; and the Army one has an eagle above it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have gone ahead and put these pictures on our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 We've got the cover of the book on our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 So if somebody wants to see what the medal of honor looks like, this would be something fun to take your kids and show them on the Web.\u00a0 You can just go to our website and give them a visual of the Medal of Honor, what it looks like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the recipients is a guy who was a neighbor of Desmond Doss, who we talked about yesterday \u2013 Charles Coolidge, who served in World War II, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> That's correct, yes.\u00a0 Charles Coolidge received the Medal of Honor in World War II in the European Theater, while Desmond received the Medal of Honor for his actions on Okinawa.\u00a0 Charles \u2013 interesting story \u2013 the division that he was with, he was on the front lines longer and in sustained combat \u2013 day-to-day, every day in combat.\u00a0 He holds \u2013 his unit holds one of the records from World War II as the longest period of time in combat in World War II \u2013 combat every day, day after day after day, week after week after week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you recall how long that was?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> You know, it says in the book how many days that was.\u00a0 I do not remember, but in the story that Charles will talk about, he just reflects on the fact that all that time he survived, never injured, never wounded, and he attributes it to the fact that his parents were godly parents, and they were always praying for him.\u00a0 Now, many of these other men were also godly and had godly parents praying for them, and they were, in fact, wounded \u2013 wounded severely.\u00a0 So always-always and never-nevers don't work, and it is not a good luck charm to have people praying for you, but it's better to have people praying than not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what did he do to win the Medal of Honor?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He was leading a group of soldiers who were mostly replacements, and they came under fire from an armored unit \u2013 German armored unit and infantry.\u00a0 And as the battle ensued, the Germans came up on this small number of Americans, and a tank commander sticks his head up out of the tank and, as Charles Coolidge can only do in his Tennessee accent, said, \"This guy got up and said, 'Do you want to surrender?'\u00a0 And he spoke better English than I did,\" and Charles said, \"I pointed to my chest and said, 'Buddy, you're going to have to come over me.\u00a0 You're going to have to take me,\" and the commander went back down and began to fire point-blank range at Charles Coolidge with this tank cannon and machine-gun fire.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the course of time, Charles counter-attacked himself, took a bazooka, and went up far forward and was trying to shoot.\u00a0 His bazooka failed; went back and got grenades and continued to basically repel the attack.\u00a0 But he was running between these soldiers, who were replacements, in full view of the enemy, under fire, encouraging these men to go ahead, continue firing, keep firing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the interesting part about it, as Charles will talk, he'll say, you know, he'll speak about the action on a hill in France.\u00a0 He received the Medal of Honor, but he'll almost every time, he'll run a parallel course, and he'll say, \"I just want you to know, though, that there was another battle that was fought and won, and it was on the hill in Calvary, which is much more important than Hill 623 in Southern France where I was awarded the Medal of Honor\" \u2013 so a deep man of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I've read these stories, I've often thought about the warriors, the soldiers, who died in combat, who did even greater heroic acts than these listed here that no one knows anything about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a passage in Hebrews that talks about the men and women of faith, and it kind of alludes to some of these people.\u00a0 It refers to them as men of whom the world was not worthy \u2013 warriors for Christ.\u00a0 Jim, you fought your own battle on behalf of Christ, and it took cancer to get your attention, as a man.\u00a0 Take us back to that diagnosis and share with our listeners how He got your attention for you to become the man you've turned out to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Qhen I speak to groups across the nation, I'll often say, \"You know, I have had five biopsies, four major surgeries, two months of radiation therapy over a 10-year period to make me this ugly.\u00a0 Now, what's your excuse?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob and I both have a face for radio.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> And when I was, really, a pretty young man, I had a sore that developed on my tongue, and that sore, because of my age, everybody thought would not be anything significant.\u00a0 But we had a biopsy, and it was malignant, and they did a wedge reception \u2013 took out part of my tongue and a few years later, I developed this second sore in my throat and had to do the surgery, couldn't get all of the lesion, and asked if I would be willing to undergo a surgery that would be deforming to my face.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I had a young boy the other day ask me about it, and I always say, \"Yes, that's a knife fight.\"\u00a0 And it was, in essence, and he said, \"Well, you really look cool.\"\u00a0 And, anyway, I have a significant deformity on my face.\u00a0 The last surgery that I had was over 10 hours \u2013 a long surgery to remove part of my jaw, but that surgery was in 1989.\u00a0 So it's been a significant period of time.\u00a0 So now I'm considered cured, and I was not following after God, and He just sustained my \u2013 obtained my attention by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you remember the moment when you finally said, \"I yield; I surrender.\"\u00a0 You waved the white flag?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's hard for a military guy to do, you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I do remember, because it was a real peace.\u00a0 Where, before, during this course of time, I thought, \"Why me?\"\u00a0 And I remember the biopsy had, for the second time, it came back on my wife's birthday, and we had not been married that long, really.\u00a0 I think only about six months, and I thought, \"Oh, no, I'm newly married.\u00a0 I'm going to have to go through this and endure this and what have I gotten myself into and her into?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut over the course of time, and then as the last episode, and that went over the course of six months for all that treatment, probably, or three or four months \u2013 I remember coming out of the surgery and going through all of the difficulties and the pain and the deformity and living with that when I was just able to say, you know, \"Who better than me to experience this?\u00a0 I have a faith, I know what the future holds for me, I've survived.\"\u00a0 Sort of like the advice when Dave Reaver will often say, you know, \"Life isn't fair, but it's how you deal with the inequities in life, that's the real answer.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, Dennis, we don't give out Medals of Honor for the kind of courage that Jim has shown in the face of a cancer surgery.\u00a0 I'm thinking of folks I know who have gone through tremendous adversity, and the military gives Medals of Honor for bravery on the battlefield, and yet many of us are on a battlefield every day, and while there is not a Medal of Honor, there is a crown of life that has been stored up for those who persevere, for those who endure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And for those who do, there is a God in heaven who sees all.\u00a0 He sees our fight and our courage in the face of fear, and it's that God that instructed Joshua \u2013 three times in Joshua, chapter 1 \u2013 \"Be strong and courageous.\"\u00a0 Be strong and courageous, be strong and be very courageous, and I don't know what you, as a listener, are facing right now, but I know that, over the past couple of days, if you've listened, you've heard stories of tremendous courage in the midst of adversity, in the midst of suffering, in the midst of personal harm and long-term disability, that people decided to go ahead and take the steps into the face of that suffering and, Jim, I just want to thank you for your book on valor and courage.\u00a0 I'm looking forward to giving this to my father-in-law for Father's Day coming up here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm thinking of a lot of guys I know who have served in the military or who are currently serving in the military.\u00a0 This is a great book to give to them, and it can be evangelistic, it's a way of sharing your faith.\u00a0 Military guys like to read stories of other guys who have served as they are serving.\u00a0 And to give them a copy of the book, \"Valor,\" or give them a copy of the other book that you've written called \"Prisoners of Hope,\" which tells the story of 119 men who were prisoners of war all the way from World War II through the Gulf War.\u00a0 Either or both of these books would be a great gift to give to someone who is retired military or someone who is active duty military, either as a Father's Day gift or just as a way to reach out and share your faith with somebody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe've got copies of the book, \"Valor,\" and the book, \"Prisoners of Hope,\" in our FamilyLife Resource Center, and if our listeners are interested in getting either or both of these books, they can go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 On the right side of the home page, you'll see a box that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn more,\" it will take you to an area of the site where there is more information about both of these books.\u00a0 You can order them online, if you'd like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you do order both books together, we'll send along, at no additional cost, the CD audio of our conversation this week with Jim Coy, and you can pass that along to someone who would enjoy hearing it as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website if FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 You can also call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, and you can order these books by phone, if you'd like.\u00a0 Again, it's 1-800-358-6329, 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and when you call, someone on our team will be able to answer any questions you have about these books or make arrangements to have copies of them sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, our listeners, if they've been with us for any length of time, Dennis, have heard me mention that we are listener-supported, and what that means is that folks who listen also make donations to the ministry of FamilyLife Today so that this program can continue on this station and on other stations all across the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of those listeners will donate from time to time, something will spur them to either go online or call us to make a donation; others are Legacy Partners.\u00a0 They make a donation each month to help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today, and to provide the stable financial foundation on which this radio program rests, and we appreciate those of you who do help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Without your help, this program could not continue to be heard on this station and on other stations all across the country.\u00a0 It really is a partnership, and we want you to know that we appreciate you, and we're grateful for your financial support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in the book that we've talked about today, the book \"Valor,\" the story of Medal of Honor winners, there is a poem, Dennis, that I think is \u2013 I think it's good for us to remember what this poem \u2013 and the author is unknown \u2013 has written.\u00a0 It reads,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"It's the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier who salutes the flag; who serves beneath the flag; and whose coffin is draped by the flag.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat's a great reminder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas \u2013 help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_______________________________________________________________-\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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and women throughout the years have risked their lives for freedom.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-05-27.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> The Congressional Medal of Honor has been awarded to more than 3,400 Americans over the last 143 years.\u00a0 It is America's highest military honor, and today there are fewer than 150 men who remain living who can wear this medal \u2013 men like Charles Coolidge.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He was leading a group of soldiers who were mostly replacements, and they came under fire from a German armored unit and infantry, and as the battle ensued, the Germans came up on this small number of Americans and a tank commander began to fire point-blank range at Charles Coolidge with this tank cannon.\u00a0 Over the course of time, Charles was running between these soldiers, who were replacements, and pulled the enemy under fire, encouraging these men to go ahead, continue firing and keep firing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We honor the bravery of men like Charles Coolidge with the Medal of Honor.\u00a0 For Charles himself, there is another, more profound bravery, a deeper kind of valor that was shown thousands of years earlier on a different hillside.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> The interesting part about it, as Charles will talk, he'll say, you know, he'll speak about the action on a hill in France, and he received the Medal of Honor, but he will \u2013 almost every time, he'll run a parallel course, and he'll say I just want you to know, though, that there was another battle that was fought and won, and it was on the hill in Calvary, which is much more important than Hill 623 in Southern France where I was awarded the Medal of Honor \u2013 so a deep man of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Tuesday, May 27th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 Today we'll hear the stories of men who fought and who were willing to die to protect our freedom, men who won the Congressional Medal of Honor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Tuesday edition.\u00a0 You know, I have heard over the years, people refer to you as someone who inspires courage in others by challenging couples to honor their marriage commitment, by encouraging parents to hang in there and to persevere as they raise their children, their sons and their daughters.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I remember a story you told on FamilyLife Today about being at a junior high dance and having to move in and get these kids who were dancings inappropriately to break it up, and I remember you saying it took some courage, and it surprised you that it took courage to confront these junior high kids about what they were doing, but I remember my wife hearing that story, and it gave her courage to confront some kids that she was watching who were acting inappropriately.\u00a0 And I do think that we inspire courage in others when we do things that they see as courageous things, don't you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> We do, and we need to hear about courageous people because these are days when we need to be courageous.\u00a0 We don't need to be passive.\u00a0 I spoke yesterday about a volume in my library that is one of my most prized books \u2013 the Congressional Medal of Honor recipients, and it's their stories.\u00a0 And, Bob, the book is about \u2013 it's close to three, four inches thick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, there are hundreds of stories in the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Oh, it goes all the way back to the Civil War, and I read those stories sometimes just to be encouraged \u2013 en-couraged \u2013 to be given courage, because courage does fuel our spirits to dare mighty things.\u00a0 Life has a way of knocking the props out from under us, and I'm excited that yesterday and today we've had a chance to talk to Colonel Jim Coy, who has written a book called \"Valor, A Gathering of Eagles,\" and, Jim, I want to welcome you back to FamilyLife Today, and I want to thank you, too, for putting this book together, because this gives me courage.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Oh, absolutely.\u00a0 I'm just reminded, as you talk about courage, a number of the men will talk about courage in the book, and many of them will talk about, you know, there are two types of courage.\u00a0 There is a physical courage and a moral courage, and as these men reflect on that, having demonstrated physical courage, they will often say it's more difficult to have moral courage than it is to have physical courage.\u00a0 And the men who say that, all of them seem to have both.\u00a0 They exhibited physical courage, but they also have tremendous moral courage.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, Colonel Coy has served in the U.S. Army Special Operations Command, two years as the national president of the Special Operations Medical Association \u2013 so that means, Bob, if you need an operation or two, we can take care of that right on the spot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> If something happens here in the studio, you can probably \u2013 you've got a little black bag you carry with you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I could say you're real sick.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> But this book is about 117 Medal of Honor recipients, but specifically you have 11 \u2013 11 who give advice around their spiritual values, their own personal faith, and one of the stories that Bob and I ran across, we wanted to hear you tell, was Henry Irwin, who was a U.S. Army pilot.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Yes, in fact, let me \u2013 I'll step back.\u00a0 He wasn't the pilot of the aircraft, he was one of the crew members, but he does make it all the way to the cockpit, and I'll explain the story.\u00a0 Red Irwin \u2013 \"Red\" because he had red hair \u2013 he's now passed away \u2013 lived in Alabama, was severely injured in the incident that he was awarded the Medal of Honor for, and what happened was they were marking positions as they flew over the Japanese, they were the lead aircraft, and he was to push through a tube a white phosphorous grenade, which would mark the area for the other aircraft that were following to bomb, and they hit a wind current as he slid that into the tube, and it started to exit the aircraft but was blown back into the aircraft.\u00a0 And white phosphorous will burn to the point that it will burn through metal.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo it's filling the plane full of smoke, it's burning through metal, and he worked, as a young man, in a foundry, so he knew what burns were in intense heat, and this heat is like no other heat.\u00a0 I can't remember how many hundred degrees it burns at, but it's phenomenally hot, and he picked up this white phosphorous shell, basically, and pulled it to his chest and started to walk toward the front of the aircraft, and the crew members that were around said they could hear the skin just burning, boiling off of him, and one of the men, I remember saying, \"I don't think I could have done that myself.\" \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut it would burn through the aircraft where it would fill the aircraft with smoke.\u00a0 In fact, the aircraft began to lose altitude from all the smoke.\u00a0 The pilot and the copilot could not see.\u00a0 As Henry Irwin, \"Red\" Irwin, tells the story, he said, \"As I started to walk toward the front, there was an angel beside me, and that angel just started to say to me, 'Go, go, go,' over and over, and I just kept going to the front of the aircraft.\"\u00a0 And the commander of the aircraft relates the story like this \u2013 he said, \"I turned around, and Henry was there, and he was on fire and burning up, and he said, 'Excuse me, sir, could you open your window so I could throw this out the window?'\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> The front window of the aircraft?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> The front window of the aircraft.\u00a0 The pilot's window, and Henry throws it out of the plane, and then he collapses, and they returned \u2013 they immediately turned back and flew to their base, and the act was such an act of heroism that it was the fastest-recorded paperwork transition for the Medal of Honor that's ever occurred.\u00a0 I think the Medal of Honor was awarded to him within something like two days.\u00a0 They did not expect him to live, and what they wanted him to know was that he received the Medal of Honor before he died.\u00a0 And he was blinded by that.\u00a0 He didn't live blinded.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tHe came back \u2013 his forearm and chest, I think, I don't know how many hundred plastic surgeries he had over the course of years \u2013 came back to Alabama, continued to serve his nation, worked with the VA, and raised a family and stayed true and married to his wife.\u00a0 In fact, he had met his wife, I think, when I heard this story from her, as she tells it, in church, and she said she knew he would be a good man to marry, because she had met him in church so \u2013 a phenomenal story.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What's amazing is how many of these guys did actually survive \u2013 I mean \u2013 I think of guys throwing themselves on grenades or guys who pick up phosphorous grenades \u2013 how anyone survives anything like that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> It's an amazing thing, you know, one, given occasion, it seems like somebody will die of something that they should have, in fact, survived, and someone else will survive something that you would think is unsurvivable.\u00a0 It's unexplainable.\u00a0 I know that there are people who will talk about the POW experience, especially the Bataan Death March, some of the survivors I've talked to, and they'll say, \"I survived because I had hope.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were men who were perfectly healthy who died because they gave up hope, but there were men who survived who should have died, but they had hope, and they survived.\u00a0 I don't know whether that is hope and faith and God's divine providence and God's plan to use these other people.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tMany of the people in the book, as they speak, will talk about the fact that God had another plan or had a plan to continue to use them for their lives.\u00a0 In fact, many of the fellows who write their story and who occur in that video, \"Valor,\" will talk about God had a plan for my life, and the plan for my life was for me to be awarded the Medal of Honor so I, in fact, can tell other people about why I have a faith in God, and it turns the hearts of other people to God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You write about a U.S. Army man \u2013 Rudy Hernandez \u2013 who served in Korea and carried a unique business card.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Yes, Rudy will carry a card \u2013 in fact, two or three of the recipients, on the back of my card, my business card, I have four or five Scriptures.\u00a0 It just lets them know right up front that I intend to live by those verses, and that I have a faith, and Rudy Hernandez has the Gospel \u2013 \"I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,\" and he tells the story in the book \u2013 in fact, his story is titled, \"I Am Not Ashamed.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And on the front of the business card is the Medal of Honor, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> That's correct, it is \u2013 the icon.\u00a0 What we might now call the icon or the image of the Medal of Honor that he received and then his name, address, phone number, but when you turn the card over, then you'll see the Scripture.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> What does the medal look like?\u00a0 I don't know that I've ever seen it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> On the cover of the book \u2013 in fact, there are three variations of the medal, and it has changed.\u00a0 They are all a star, a gold-appearing star.\u00a0 They have a blue ribbon \u2013 it's a sky-blue ribbon, and then there are 13 stars on a disk, and that disk, I think, has eight edges on it, and then it hangs down so the one for the Air Force has the Statue of Liberty's head on it; the Navy has a little different one \u2013 it hangs from an anchor; and the Army one has an eagle above it. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> We have gone ahead and put these pictures on our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 We've got the cover of the book on our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 So if somebody wants to see what the medal of honor looks like, this would be something fun to take your kids and show them on the Web.\u00a0 You can just go to our website and give them a visual of the Medal of Honor, what it looks like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> One of the recipients is a guy who was a neighbor of Desmond Doss, who we talked about yesterday \u2013 Charles Coolidge, who served in World War II, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> That's correct, yes.\u00a0 Charles Coolidge received the Medal of Honor in World War II in the European Theater, while Desmond received the Medal of Honor for his actions on Okinawa.\u00a0 Charles \u2013 interesting story \u2013 the division that he was with, he was on the front lines longer and in sustained combat \u2013 day-to-day, every day in combat.\u00a0 He holds \u2013 his unit holds one of the records from World War II as the longest period of time in combat in World War II \u2013 combat every day, day after day after day, week after week after week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you recall how long that was?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> You know, it says in the book how many days that was.\u00a0 I do not remember, but in the story that Charles will talk about, he just reflects on the fact that all that time he survived, never injured, never wounded, and he attributes it to the fact that his parents were godly parents, and they were always praying for him.\u00a0 Now, many of these other men were also godly and had godly parents praying for them, and they were, in fact, wounded \u2013 wounded severely.\u00a0 So always-always and never-nevers don't work, and it is not a good luck charm to have people praying for you, but it's better to have people praying than not.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And what did he do to win the Medal of Honor?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> He was leading a group of soldiers who were mostly replacements, and they came under fire from an armored unit \u2013 German armored unit and infantry.\u00a0 And as the battle ensued, the Germans came up on this small number of Americans, and a tank commander sticks his head up out of the tank and, as Charles Coolidge can only do in his Tennessee accent, said, \"This guy got up and said, 'Do you want to surrender?'\u00a0 And he spoke better English than I did,\" and Charles said, \"I pointed to my chest and said, 'Buddy, you're going to have to come over me.\u00a0 You're going to have to take me,\" and the commander went back down and began to fire point-blank range at Charles Coolidge with this tank cannon and machine-gun fire.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tOver the course of time, Charles counter-attacked himself, took a bazooka, and went up far forward and was trying to shoot.\u00a0 His bazooka failed; went back and got grenades and continued to basically repel the attack.\u00a0 But he was running between these soldiers, who were replacements, in full view of the enemy, under fire, encouraging these men to go ahead, continue firing, keep firing.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd the interesting part about it, as Charles will talk, he'll say, you know, he'll speak about the action on a hill in France.\u00a0 He received the Medal of Honor, but he'll almost every time, he'll run a parallel course, and he'll say, \"I just want you to know, though, that there was another battle that was fought and won, and it was on the hill in Calvary, which is much more important than Hill 623 in Southern France where I was awarded the Medal of Honor\" \u2013 so a deep man of faith.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> As I've read these stories, I've often thought about the warriors, the soldiers, who died in combat, who did even greater heroic acts than these listed here that no one knows anything about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There is a passage in Hebrews that talks about the men and women of faith, and it kind of alludes to some of these people.\u00a0 It refers to them as men of whom the world was not worthy \u2013 warriors for Christ.\u00a0 Jim, you fought your own battle on behalf of Christ, and it took cancer to get your attention, as a man.\u00a0 Take us back to that diagnosis and share with our listeners how He got your attention for you to become the man you've turned out to be.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> Qhen I speak to groups across the nation, I'll often say, \"You know, I have had five biopsies, four major surgeries, two months of radiation therapy over a 10-year period to make me this ugly.\u00a0 Now, what's your excuse?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Bob and I both have a face for radio.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> And when I was, really, a pretty young man, I had a sore that developed on my tongue, and that sore, because of my age, everybody thought would not be anything significant.\u00a0 But we had a biopsy, and it was malignant, and they did a wedge reception \u2013 took out part of my tongue and a few years later, I developed this second sore in my throat and had to do the surgery, couldn't get all of the lesion, and asked if I would be willing to undergo a surgery that would be deforming to my face.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIn fact, I had a young boy the other day ask me about it, and I always say, \"Yes, that's a knife fight.\"\u00a0 And it was, in essence, and he said, \"Well, you really look cool.\"\u00a0 And, anyway, I have a significant deformity on my face.\u00a0 The last surgery that I had was over 10 hours \u2013 a long surgery to remove part of my jaw, but that surgery was in 1989.\u00a0 So it's been a significant period of time.\u00a0 So now I'm considered cured, and I was not following after God, and He just sustained my \u2013 obtained my attention by that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Do you remember the moment when you finally said, \"I yield; I surrender.\"\u00a0 You waved the white flag?\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I do.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> That's hard for a military guy to do, you know.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Jim:<\/strong> I do remember, because it was a real peace.\u00a0 Where, before, during this course of time, I thought, \"Why me?\"\u00a0 And I remember the biopsy had, for the second time, it came back on my wife's birthday, and we had not been married that long, really.\u00a0 I think only about six months, and I thought, \"Oh, no, I'm newly married.\u00a0 I'm going to have to go through this and endure this and what have I gotten myself into and her into?\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut over the course of time, and then as the last episode, and that went over the course of six months for all that treatment, probably, or three or four months \u2013 I remember coming out of the surgery and going through all of the difficulties and the pain and the deformity and living with that when I was just able to say, you know, \"Who better than me to experience this?\u00a0 I have a faith, I know what the future holds for me, I've survived.\"\u00a0 Sort of like the advice when Dave Reaver will often say, you know, \"Life isn't fair, but it's how you deal with the inequities in life, that's the real answer.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And, Dennis, we don't give out Medals of Honor for the kind of courage that Jim has shown in the face of a cancer surgery.\u00a0 I'm thinking of folks I know who have gone through tremendous adversity, and the military gives Medals of Honor for bravery on the battlefield, and yet many of us are on a battlefield every day, and while there is not a Medal of Honor, there is a crown of life that has been stored up for those who persevere, for those who endure.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And for those who do, there is a God in heaven who sees all.\u00a0 He sees our fight and our courage in the face of fear, and it's that God that instructed Joshua \u2013 three times in Joshua, chapter 1 \u2013 \"Be strong and courageous.\"\u00a0 Be strong and courageous, be strong and be very courageous, and I don't know what you, as a listener, are facing right now, but I know that, over the past couple of days, if you've listened, you've heard stories of tremendous courage in the midst of adversity, in the midst of suffering, in the midst of personal harm and long-term disability, that people decided to go ahead and take the steps into the face of that suffering and, Jim, I just want to thank you for your book on valor and courage.\u00a0 I'm looking forward to giving this to my father-in-law for Father's Day coming up here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I'm thinking of a lot of guys I know who have served in the military or who are currently serving in the military.\u00a0 This is a great book to give to them, and it can be evangelistic, it's a way of sharing your faith.\u00a0 Military guys like to read stories of other guys who have served as they are serving.\u00a0 And to give them a copy of the book, \"Valor,\" or give them a copy of the other book that you've written called \"Prisoners of Hope,\" which tells the story of 119 men who were prisoners of war all the way from World War II through the Gulf War.\u00a0 Either or both of these books would be a great gift to give to someone who is retired military or someone who is active duty military, either as a Father's Day gift or just as a way to reach out and share your faith with somebody.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe've got copies of the book, \"Valor,\" and the book, \"Prisoners of Hope,\" in our FamilyLife Resource Center, and if our listeners are interested in getting either or both of these books, they can go to our website, FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 On the right side of the home page, you'll see a box that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn more,\" it will take you to an area of the site where there is more information about both of these books.\u00a0 You can order them online, if you'd like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIf you do order both books together, we'll send along, at no additional cost, the CD audio of our conversation this week with Jim Coy, and you can pass that along to someone who would enjoy hearing it as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, the website if FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 You can also call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, and you can order these books by phone, if you'd like.\u00a0 Again, it's 1-800-358-6329, 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and when you call, someone on our team will be able to answer any questions you have about these books or make arrangements to have copies of them sent to you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, our listeners, if they've been with us for any length of time, Dennis, have heard me mention that we are listener-supported, and what that means is that folks who listen also make donations to the ministry of FamilyLife Today so that this program can continue on this station and on other stations all across the country.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSome of those listeners will donate from time to time, something will spur them to either go online or call us to make a donation; others are Legacy Partners.\u00a0 They make a donation each month to help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today, and to provide the stable financial foundation on which this radio program rests, and we appreciate those of you who do help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Without your help, this program could not continue to be heard on this station and on other stations all across the country.\u00a0 It really is a partnership, and we want you to know that we appreciate you, and we're grateful for your financial support.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou know, in the book that we've talked about today, the book \"Valor,\" the story of Medal of Honor winners, there is a poem, Dennis, that I think is \u2013 I think it's good for us to remember what this poem \u2013 and the author is unknown \u2013 has written.\u00a0 It reads,\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\"It's the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate;\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tIt is the soldier who salutes the flag; who serves beneath the flag; and whose coffin is draped by the flag.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThat's a great reminder.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> It is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> FamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas \u2013 help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t_______________________________________________________________-\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe are so happy to provide these transcripts for you. 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