{"id":301572,"date":"2008-04-21T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2008-04-21T15:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman\/"},"modified":"2008-04-21T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2008-04-21T15:00:00","slug":"what-it-means-to-be-a-woman","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman\/","title":{"rendered":"What It Means to be a Woman"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Defining a woman\u2019s role isn\u2019t as easy today as it was 30 years ago.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-04-21.mp3","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"12.73M","filesize_raw":"13350168","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2093],"tags":[4924,4922,4921,4923,4920],"podcast_series":[7578],"cwp_profile":[3052,3461],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301572","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-women","tag-daughter","tag-mom","tag-mother","tag-wife","tag-womanhood","podcast_series-the-new-eve","cwp_profile-barbara-rainey","cwp_profile-robert-lewis","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301572\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301572\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"FuTfVRoLKZ\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman\/\">What It Means to be a Woman<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/what-it-means-to-be-a-woman\/embed\/#?secret=FuTfVRoLKZ\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;What It Means to be a Woman&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"FuTfVRoLKZ\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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of life, is not really clear about what they should hold with absolute conviction at the center, and so I think for a lot of Christian women what they have is pieces.\u00a0 They are choosing a traditional view, or they're choosing a wounded view, or they're choosing a worldliness view because it feels right at the moment, but it didn't have any influence with a biblical worldview to shape that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Monday, April 21st.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We're going to have a conversation today with Dr. Robert Lewis about what is at the core of authentic biblical womanhood.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You know, we've talked many times about the challenges men face in the culture today, understanding what it means to be a man, living that out, but I don't know that we've ever really dug into those same challenges for women, and you have to think that if we're feeling it, as guys, our wives have to be feeling that at some level as women, don't you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it, and we've got a guest here on FamilyLife Today who has \u2013 well, isn't he the most frequent guest out of \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think he is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Over the past 15 years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was just trying to run through the list in my mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go, Bob, do that real quick, would you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And yes, he is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Several hundred guests \u2013 Bob just reviewed it.\u00a0 That's how fast his mind is, folks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [makes a computer calculating sound] yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Dr. Robert Lewis joins us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Robert, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you, I feel very much at home here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and also my wife, Barbara, joins us because we're going to talk about women and how we can equip them and help them in their call in life, we decided it better not be three men in a studio \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2026 talking about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talking about that subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I think that's a good call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think it is, sweetheart, and you definitely make the studio more beautiful.\u00a0 This is pretty grim, just looking at Bob all the time, no doubt about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRobert has written a book called \"The New Eve,\" which is about this subject.\u00a0 Many of our listeners know Robert from \"Raising a Modern Day Knight,\" Men's Fraternity, they are also aware he was a pastor for more than 30 years, in fact, still is a pastor-at-large for Fellowship Bible Church, but he's giving leadership to a new ministry called Life Ready, which is being developed in partnership with FamilyLife, and he's the president of that initiative, equipping churches to have biblical marriages and families and, Robert, for a number of years, you have led men's fraternity, as I mentioned, and that really became the avenue through which you entered in this discussion about women and living fulfilled lives, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It is. The whole path with men has been an interesting path, seeing guys who have needed here, at the end of the 20th century and into the 21st century, some kind of guiding center for their lives that orient their lives.\u00a0 You know, they say one of the greatest hungers for the humanity is for orientation, which is an interesting concept \u2013 to know where I'm going and why I'm going there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, for men, in this turbulent time, especially after the gender revolutions of the '70s, men have felt disoriented, and so the journey with Men's Fraternity is to help men, Christian men, get a better biblical orientation to their lives, and I've seen a lot of energy, spiritual energy, flow out of that.\u00a0 And as it has, it's naturally impacted their wives and their families and then that got a response from the wives asking me for some information and maybe help about a woman's orientation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, actually, what happened with Men's Fraternity, wasn't it that you had, literally, tens of thousands of men across the country going home and beginning to really act like men, and the wives said, \"Wow.\u00a0 This is cool.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> They said, \"This is good,\" and, I'll tell you, that's been one of the great pleasures of my ministry is to see not just the men get excited but the women, in particular, pull me aside at a mall and \u2013 I can think of numbers of occasions, women pulling me aside at a mall or at a restaurant or at the library saying, \"I don't know what you're doing with my husband \u2013 keep it up.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it.\u00a0 Well, in the process of that, you began to develop material for women, and thus your book, \"The New Eve.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That's right.\u00a0 I think that what happened, especially at our church, is I had a number of women who kept asking me, \"Can we do something along the same lines of Men's Fraternity?\"\u00a0 I did not feel qualified to do that.\u00a0 I think primarily because I'm not a woman, but I do think I have some theological ability just to mind the Scriptures on a general outline for womanhood.\u00a0 I think anybody could do that, male or female, and women asked me to do that, so I began to explore that, and then that ultimately resulted in the book, \"The New Eve.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask you a question, but I want to ask Barbara to answer it before you answer it.\u00a0 You know, we observed in the '90s and even in the first part of this new century, men with some confusion and some questions about what it means to be a man.\u00a0 I'm wondering if you think that there is an observable hunger in the heart of women today in the same way that we've seen it with men, or is it more pronounced with men?\u00a0 And before you answer it, let me ask Barbara what you think \u2013 do you think women today are consciously confused about what womanhood ought to look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yeah, I think we are.\u00a0 I think there are so many changes in the culture, at least for my generation, I know there is confusion.\u00a0 Because most of the women in my generation saw a different model in our mothers and in our grandmothers, and that's where you get your pattern, your initial pattern, and so when you see the culture saying one thing but you're experience was different, you're trying to figure out which one is right, which pieces are right, how do I fit it all together, and how do I make it work?\u00a0 So, yes, I think the answer is clear that women are confused as to what their role is and how they do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I'm guessing you're not going to disagree with Barbara on that answer, are you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> No, I've got pages of comments from women in some of the seminars that I've done that have said exactly the same thing.\u00a0 I think, for men, there is maybe, in some ways, a deeper identity crisis with the social revolution having taken place, so they are trying to recapture, in some ways, a more fundamental definition of masculinity.\u00a0 For women, I think the hunger is what Barbara just said \u2013 it's more around \"How do I make it all work?\u00a0 There's a part of my identity I feel okay about, but with these new freedoms, these new opportunities that have swept over my life and other women's lives here at the end of the 20th century and now at full bore in the 21st century, I can't make all that work.\u00a0 It's not working.\u00a0 I keep hearing from the media and others that this is a great time to be a woman, and it's celebrated.\"\u00a0 Women are kind of on the forefront of the culture today, and yet there is a general unrest women women's hearts and souls and, in some ways, almost a shadow of unhappiness that they can't explain in light of all of the freedoms and opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, some women are saying the reason for that is that we still haven't achieved those feminist goals that we set out to achieve in the '70s if we \u2013 we've got to fully realize that, and then we'll have the happiness and the rest you're talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It kind of sounds like the apple to me in Genesis.\u00a0 And yet that apple has not brought fulfillment because the truth of the matter is is that as you look across the social spectrum, much of the objectives that feminists desired in the '60s and '70s have not only come to fruition, they've succeeded beyond their expectation, and now we're entering the 21st century where women are going to be on the forefront of everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can talk about that in a minute \u2013 some of the statistics that are rolling in are absolutely astounding, because the first half of the 21st century, at least in American culture, is going to be a culture of women not men.\u00a0 And yet even as they achieve those pretty outsourcing benchmarks, they are not paying off the way they were promised, and that even creates a deeper confusion because it's like the person who always wanted to have wealth their whole life, and then one day they stand up and they've got all the money they've ever wanted, and yet it doesn't feel right, and they're not sure why.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that's why I go \u2013 when I think about women, I say to myself they're like men in this one sense, they're looking for a guiding center, and they don't have, and so they don't have anything to balance the freedoms and the opportunities that are just sweeping over them in bucketloads.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Robert, I think it's unique today that we've had a generation of women who have really been told they could be powerful around a certain template, and it's back to what Barbara was talking about earlier \u2013 they sure didn't see it in their parents, but the culture is sending this message overwhelmingly.\u00a0 Where do you see them getting their cues about what this plumbline or this center for them \u2013 where does it come from?\u00a0 What are the worldviews women have today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, generally, I think there are four major worldviews that we all operate out of.\u00a0 I think women operate out of them as well.\u00a0 One is just the traditional worldview, and that is I'm going to do it the way I grew up with it.\u00a0 And so what I received growing up made sense to me, it seemed to work.\u00a0 I've been thrust into this global wired world, and it's scary for me, and so I tend to look back and get my cues from what I experienced growing up, and those could be, many times, very pleasant things.\u00a0 They may not be the right things, but I just simply rehash what I grew up with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother viewpoint is to grow up in what I call \"a wounded worldview,\" and I think more people today grow up in that worldview than the traditional worldview, and that is where I grew up and Mom and Dad split apart.\u00a0 My mom was powerless in the home or was just simply a servant to my dad.\u00a0 There weren't opportunities afforded to my parents and especially my mom, and so I saw abuse, I saw abandonment, I saw hurt, I saw all these things.\u00a0 I doubted if there was even love, and so what I did is I decided to formulate my worldview in life off of what I was wounded by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I've become the opposite and maybe even an extreme opposite.\u00a0 That's where you see so many of those who hold what I call more of a \"strident\" feminist perspective.\u00a0 If you look in their backgrounds, you are going to see a very extreme woundedness, in particular, around men.\u00a0 And so their worldview becomes shaped as a reaction to somehow solving that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA third thing is just what I call a \"worldliness\" worldview, and the Bible warns against that.\u00a0 I mean, it's one that is an abiding kind of seduction where you're conformed to this world, everything that's in the now becomes something you chase after.\u00a0 It's this continual seduction to whatever is in is the best and, of course, that lasts for a season, and you chase another whatever is in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then the last worldview is what I'm proposing in the book, \"The New Eve,\" and I call it a \"New Eve\" worldview.\u00a0 It's really a biblical worldview, but it's specifically tailored to women, and that's a worldview that shapes its philosophy, its life, its values, its priorities, its passions off of those things that I think the Bible sets forth for women that really bring a life of reward rather than a life of regret.\u00a0 The other three eventually prove to be either a dead-end, short-sighted, or painful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, aren't most Christian women, though, going to automatically default to that New Eve worldview?\u00a0 I mean, they think to themselves, \"I want to be a godly woman,\" right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Honestly, when I listen to women today and when I've had these opportunities through the New Eve seminars to interact with women \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You're speaking now of women in the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yeah, Christian women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> I think of one seminar I did with 600 women in Chicago, and it was actually on a retreat, and so many women came up to me afterwards talking about the fact that they had \u2013 although they'd been a part of a good Bible church or a good church that teaches the Scriptures, the idea of formulating a feminine vision for their life that works was totally left out of their spiritual resume. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThere were, what I called, certain practices, biblical practices, that they had pursued but a more comprehensive direction and one that would safeguard them against wrong choices, they were clueless.\u00a0 And so I think for a lot of Christian women what they have is pieces.\u00a0 It's like pieces of a puzzle, but they don't have the actual puzzle borders to build the puzzle within.\u00a0 They lack that, so they've got something over here in finances working maybe right, something over here in purity working right, but a strong directional sense they lack, and one that helps them shape their life so that when the everyday decisions and even some of the more life-changing decision points come into their world, like on who to marry or whether I should take this job or do this or how I should order my priorities and my purposes and my marriage, they don't have a compass.\u00a0 They lack that compass.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so they'll chose, as best they can, but sometimes what they don't realize they're choosing is they're choosing a traditional view, or they're choosing wounded view, or they're choosing a worldliness view because it feels right at the moment.\u00a0 But it didn't have any influence with a New Eve view or a biblical worldview to shape that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so they then they end up with a mistake or a regret or a short-sighted direction that then they have to backtrack from.\u00a0 But I don't find \u2013 I really feel like that today's woman with all that's going on, the frenzy and the pace of life, is not really clear about what they should hold with absolute conviction at the center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, as you hear Robert talk about that, and you think about your own life, your own journey as a wife and a mom, do you think you've been aware that you needed a compass or you were looking for a compass or you helped your daughters with a compass, I mean, does what he's talking about resonate with you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yeah, it makes sense.\u00a0 I'm not sure that I could have put it together, as he was talking about, with a framework.\u00a0 I'm not sure I could have listed off what the four or five things were, and in that sense that might have really been helpful, if I could have articulated in four steps or five steps or whatever what that looked like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, for me, what made all the difference in the world was knowing what the Bible said about what it means to be a wife and what it means to be a mom, and even though I didn't come into our marriage with a real clear sense of what that was, I knew that was the answer.\u00a0 And so even though I couldn't have articulated it to you, I knew that I needed to follow what God said, and that was the only way I was really going to find success.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, yeah, I agree with what he says.\u00a0 I think there are a lot of women who don't know what that framework is and couldn't articulate it.\u00a0 But I know enough about what Robert has written to know that's what he's saying the answer is.\u00a0 That's what the worldview he was talking about, the biblical worldview.\u00a0 That's the anchor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In our marriage, we spent a lot of time talking about this, I mean, as we started out, I don't think I knew what it meant to be a man, but as I began to discover that, some, obviously, Robert, through your teaching in Men's Fraternity and in the church, which you pastured for a number of years, I was better able to leave Barbara and interact with her, but we had a lot of discussions around this subject early on in our marriage that have continued on to this day because your role continues to change as you go through the different seasons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, there's a core role that stays the same, but it gets expressed differently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, the fact that we, all around the table, have such a passion for family is because we did get some of that guiding center, at least a piece of it, on marriage and family, and we believed it, and we invested our life in it, and it's had a rich payoff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Can you give us just a real quick \u2013 and I know this is going to be a challenge, Robert, because you'd like to comment on all of them, but a real quick definition of true biblical femininity.\u00a0 In other words, what does it mean to be a woman and not a man?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, we do that in \"The New Eve,\" and the way we do it is a process of comparing, I think, the two women who most have marked femininity, and that's the first Eve, and then what I call the New Eve of the New Testament, Mary, to see what were their distinctives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut out of that comes a definition that I just simply summarize it this way \u2013 is that what a real woman would be, a real biblical woman, is one who embraces her core callings.\u00a0 Those come from Genesis, and we talk about that in the book.\u00a0 Then out of those core callings, she chooses wisely because she's always keeping those in mind, and as she chooses wisely, she's going to be confronted with situations that are going to challenge those choices.\u00a0 So, at points, she's going to have to live courageously, that's the third mark of true femininity, and then in doing that, and living in courage at moments of her life, then she's expecting, by faith, that that ultimately is going to be a life that's rewarded by God.\u00a0 So she's expecting God's greater reward over a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that becomes this real simple definition that helps them think about their life all through their life of how am I going to achieve these core callings in their fullest sense, and they balance their life with that over a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, this is something I want for all the women in my life, because I love them, and I was listening to you kind of click off the essence of a biblical woman and the new Eve and the embracing God's core call, choosing wisely, living courageously, and expecting greater reward, and I was thinking when I was single I had a checklist of a woman I hoped I'd marry.\u00a0 Now, after the fact, having married Barbara, I was listening to those four, and I was going, you know what?\u00a0 Barbara does pretty well on all four of those, and she obviously doesn't do them perfectly just like I don't do the man's core calling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She just winked at you, did you see her winking?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I saw her wink, I winked back at her, too.\u00a0 That's all right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> All right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 But it's really cool, because I think where Barbara got that is from her study of the Scripture, which is what you're talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That's exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And gleaning the essence of that over a lifetime of study and of being a woman of the Word, and that ultimately is what your book is really trying to do, \"The New Eve,\" is to call women back to that biblical blueprint, a comprehensive blueprint, of what it looks like to be a woman today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yeah, and I love what Shaunti Feldhahn said in the foreword to the book.\u00a0 She said, \"I never thought a book written by a man could give me such an eye-opening picture of who I should be as a woman,\" and the reason that you, as a man, can write a book that provides this kind of help for women is because it's coming from the Scriptures, and God understands what a woman's assignment is supposed to be, what her role is, and that's what you've capture in the book, \"The New Eve,\" which we've got in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 And I really appreciate the fact that you've put in the back of the book the DVD that offers 10 discussion starters for small groups, so that if women want to get a copy of this book and go through it together with other women, there is a DVD to help facilitate that group discussion, and that comes with the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website at FamilyLife.com and find out more information about how you can get a copy of \"The New Eve,\" by Dr. Robert Lewis.\u00a0 When you get to the home page at FamilyLife.com, on the right side of the screen you'll see where it says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" it will take you to the area of the site where you can find out more about the new Eve.\u00a0 You can order a copy of the book online.\u00a0 There is also information about Pat Ennis and Lisa Tatlock's helpful book, \"Becoming a Woman Who Pleases God.\"\u00a0 You may want to get both of these books and use them together either for personal study or for group use.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLife.com, click the box on the right side of the screen that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and you can order these resources from us off the Internet, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 When you contact us, someone on our team can get you more information about how you can have these resources sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next several weeks here at FamilyLife are going to be very exciting weeks for us.\u00a0 Between now and the end of May, we've had some friends of the ministry who have come to us and have offered to match the donations that we receive here at FamilyLife from our listeners on a dollar-for-dollar basis.\u00a0 In fact, they've gotten together, and they have made available a total of $635,000, which is extremely generous of them.\u00a0 But in order for us to take advantage of and to actually receive those funds, we have to hear from listeners who will make donations to the ministry that these friends will then match.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we are coming to our listeners and asking you to consider today making a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today so that we can take full advantage of this special matching gift opportunity.\u00a0 When you call or go online and make a donation of $25, these friends will match it with another donation of $25, and the money will be, effectively, doubled.\u00a0 This is a great opportunity for our ministry but, again, to take advantage of it, we need your help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo would you consider either going online at FamilyLife.com, or calling 1-800-FLTODAY and making a donation of any amount knowing that your donation is going to be matched dollar-for-dollar up to that total amount of $635,000.\u00a0 Help us take full advantage of this match by making a donation today either online at FamilyLife.com or call us at 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 You can make a donation over the phone and let me just say thanks in advance for your partnership with us.\u00a0 We are listener-supported, and those donations are what keep us on the air in this city and in other cities all across the country, and that's why it's important for us to hear from you, especially with this matching gift opportunity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow Dr. Robert Lewis is going to be back with us.\u00a0 We hope you can be back as well.\u00a0 We want to talk about how many women today are feeling that being a woman today is harder than being a man, and some women, I think, resent the fact that God made them women.\u00a0 We're going to talk more about that tomorrow.\u00a0 Barbara Rainey will be back with us as well and, again, we hope you'll be back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas \u2013 help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0\u00a0 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a woman\u2019s role isn\u2019t as easy today as it was 30 years ago.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2008-04-21.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> How would you define what is the essence of womanhood?\u00a0 Maybe a better question is how does God define what's at the core of femininity?\u00a0 Here is Dr. Robert Lewis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> I really feel like today's woman, with all that's going on, the frenzy and the pace of life, is not really clear about what they should hold with absolute conviction at the center, and so I think for a lot of Christian women what they have is pieces.\u00a0 They are choosing a traditional view, or they're choosing a wounded view, or they're choosing a worldliness view because it feels right at the moment, but it didn't have any influence with a biblical worldview to shape that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> This is FamilyLife Today for Monday, April 21st.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We're going to have a conversation today with Dr. Robert Lewis about what is at the core of authentic biblical womanhood.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us.\u00a0 You know, we've talked many times about the challenges men face in the culture today, understanding what it means to be a man, living that out, but I don't know that we've ever really dug into those same challenges for women, and you have to think that if we're feeling it, as guys, our wives have to be feeling that at some level as women, don't you think?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it, and we've got a guest here on FamilyLife Today who has \u2013 well, isn't he the most frequent guest out of \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I think he is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Over the past 15 years?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I was just trying to run through the list in my mind.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> There you go, Bob, do that real quick, would you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And yes, he is.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Several hundred guests \u2013 Bob just reviewed it.\u00a0 That's how fast his mind is, folks.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> [makes a computer calculating sound] yes, yes.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Dr. Robert Lewis joins us on FamilyLife Today.\u00a0 Robert, welcome back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Thank you, I feel very much at home here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Yes, and also my wife, Barbara, joins us because we're going to talk about women and how we can equip them and help them in their call in life, we decided it better not be three men in a studio \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> \u2026 talking about that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Talking about that subject.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> I think that's a good call.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I think it is, sweetheart, and you definitely make the studio more beautiful.\u00a0 This is pretty grim, just looking at Bob all the time, no doubt about it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tRobert has written a book called \"The New Eve,\" which is about this subject.\u00a0 Many of our listeners know Robert from \"Raising a Modern Day Knight,\" Men's Fraternity, they are also aware he was a pastor for more than 30 years, in fact, still is a pastor-at-large for Fellowship Bible Church, but he's giving leadership to a new ministry called Life Ready, which is being developed in partnership with FamilyLife, and he's the president of that initiative, equipping churches to have biblical marriages and families and, Robert, for a number of years, you have led men's fraternity, as I mentioned, and that really became the avenue through which you entered in this discussion about women and living fulfilled lives, isn't it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It is. The whole path with men has been an interesting path, seeing guys who have needed here, at the end of the 20th century and into the 21st century, some kind of guiding center for their lives that orient their lives.\u00a0 You know, they say one of the greatest hungers for the humanity is for orientation, which is an interesting concept \u2013 to know where I'm going and why I'm going there.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd I think, for men, in this turbulent time, especially after the gender revolutions of the '70s, men have felt disoriented, and so the journey with Men's Fraternity is to help men, Christian men, get a better biblical orientation to their lives, and I've seen a lot of energy, spiritual energy, flow out of that.\u00a0 And as it has, it's naturally impacted their wives and their families and then that got a response from the wives asking me for some information and maybe help about a woman's orientation.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Well, actually, what happened with Men's Fraternity, wasn't it that you had, literally, tens of thousands of men across the country going home and beginning to really act like men, and the wives said, \"Wow.\u00a0 This is cool.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> They said, \"This is good,\" and, I'll tell you, that's been one of the great pleasures of my ministry is to see not just the men get excited but the women, in particular, pull me aside at a mall and \u2013 I can think of numbers of occasions, women pulling me aside at a mall or at a restaurant or at the library saying, \"I don't know what you're doing with my husband \u2013 keep it up.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> No doubt about it.\u00a0 Well, in the process of that, you began to develop material for women, and thus your book, \"The New Eve.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That's right.\u00a0 I think that what happened, especially at our church, is I had a number of women who kept asking me, \"Can we do something along the same lines of Men's Fraternity?\"\u00a0 I did not feel qualified to do that.\u00a0 I think primarily because I'm not a woman, but I do think I have some theological ability just to mind the Scriptures on a general outline for womanhood.\u00a0 I think anybody could do that, male or female, and women asked me to do that, so I began to explore that, and then that ultimately resulted in the book, \"The New Eve.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> I want to ask you a question, but I want to ask Barbara to answer it before you answer it.\u00a0 You know, we observed in the '90s and even in the first part of this new century, men with some confusion and some questions about what it means to be a man.\u00a0 I'm wondering if you think that there is an observable hunger in the heart of women today in the same way that we've seen it with men, or is it more pronounced with men?\u00a0 And before you answer it, let me ask Barbara what you think \u2013 do you think women today are consciously confused about what womanhood ought to look like?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yeah, I think we are.\u00a0 I think there are so many changes in the culture, at least for my generation, I know there is confusion.\u00a0 Because most of the women in my generation saw a different model in our mothers and in our grandmothers, and that's where you get your pattern, your initial pattern, and so when you see the culture saying one thing but you're experience was different, you're trying to figure out which one is right, which pieces are right, how do I fit it all together, and how do I make it work?\u00a0 So, yes, I think the answer is clear that women are confused as to what their role is and how they do it.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> And I'm guessing you're not going to disagree with Barbara on that answer, are you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> No, I've got pages of comments from women in some of the seminars that I've done that have said exactly the same thing.\u00a0 I think, for men, there is maybe, in some ways, a deeper identity crisis with the social revolution having taken place, so they are trying to recapture, in some ways, a more fundamental definition of masculinity.\u00a0 For women, I think the hunger is what Barbara just said \u2013 it's more around \"How do I make it all work?\u00a0 There's a part of my identity I feel okay about, but with these new freedoms, these new opportunities that have swept over my life and other women's lives here at the end of the 20th century and now at full bore in the 21st century, I can't make all that work.\u00a0 It's not working.\u00a0 I keep hearing from the media and others that this is a great time to be a woman, and it's celebrated.\"\u00a0 Women are kind of on the forefront of the culture today, and yet there is a general unrest women women's hearts and souls and, in some ways, almost a shadow of unhappiness that they can't explain in light of all of the freedoms and opportunities.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Now, some women are saying the reason for that is that we still haven't achieved those feminist goals that we set out to achieve in the '70s if we \u2013 we've got to fully realize that, and then we'll have the happiness and the rest you're talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> It kind of sounds like the apple to me in Genesis.\u00a0 And yet that apple has not brought fulfillment because the truth of the matter is is that as you look across the social spectrum, much of the objectives that feminists desired in the '60s and '70s have not only come to fruition, they've succeeded beyond their expectation, and now we're entering the 21st century where women are going to be on the forefront of everything. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWe can talk about that in a minute \u2013 some of the statistics that are rolling in are absolutely astounding, because the first half of the 21st century, at least in American culture, is going to be a culture of women not men.\u00a0 And yet even as they achieve those pretty outsourcing benchmarks, they are not paying off the way they were promised, and that even creates a deeper confusion because it's like the person who always wanted to have wealth their whole life, and then one day they stand up and they've got all the money they've ever wanted, and yet it doesn't feel right, and they're not sure why.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd that's why I go \u2013 when I think about women, I say to myself they're like men in this one sense, they're looking for a guiding center, and they don't have, and so they don't have anything to balance the freedoms and the opportunities that are just sweeping over them in bucketloads.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Robert, I think it's unique today that we've had a generation of women who have really been told they could be powerful around a certain template, and it's back to what Barbara was talking about earlier \u2013 they sure didn't see it in their parents, but the culture is sending this message overwhelmingly.\u00a0 Where do you see them getting their cues about what this plumbline or this center for them \u2013 where does it come from?\u00a0 What are the worldviews women have today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, generally, I think there are four major worldviews that we all operate out of.\u00a0 I think women operate out of them as well.\u00a0 One is just the traditional worldview, and that is I'm going to do it the way I grew up with it.\u00a0 And so what I received growing up made sense to me, it seemed to work.\u00a0 I've been thrust into this global wired world, and it's scary for me, and so I tend to look back and get my cues from what I experienced growing up, and those could be, many times, very pleasant things.\u00a0 They may not be the right things, but I just simply rehash what I grew up with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnother viewpoint is to grow up in what I call \"a wounded worldview,\" and I think more people today grow up in that worldview than the traditional worldview, and that is where I grew up and Mom and Dad split apart.\u00a0 My mom was powerless in the home or was just simply a servant to my dad.\u00a0 There weren't opportunities afforded to my parents and especially my mom, and so I saw abuse, I saw abandonment, I saw hurt, I saw all these things.\u00a0 I doubted if there was even love, and so what I did is I decided to formulate my worldview in life off of what I was wounded by.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo I've become the opposite and maybe even an extreme opposite.\u00a0 That's where you see so many of those who hold what I call more of a \"strident\" feminist perspective.\u00a0 If you look in their backgrounds, you are going to see a very extreme woundedness, in particular, around men.\u00a0 And so their worldview becomes shaped as a reaction to somehow solving that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tA third thing is just what I call a \"worldliness\" worldview, and the Bible warns against that.\u00a0 I mean, it's one that is an abiding kind of seduction where you're conformed to this world, everything that's in the now becomes something you chase after.\u00a0 It's this continual seduction to whatever is in is the best and, of course, that lasts for a season, and you chase another whatever is in.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd then the last worldview is what I'm proposing in the book, \"The New Eve,\" and I call it a \"New Eve\" worldview.\u00a0 It's really a biblical worldview, but it's specifically tailored to women, and that's a worldview that shapes its philosophy, its life, its values, its priorities, its passions off of those things that I think the Bible sets forth for women that really bring a life of reward rather than a life of regret.\u00a0 The other three eventually prove to be either a dead-end, short-sighted, or painful.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Well, aren't most Christian women, though, going to automatically default to that New Eve worldview?\u00a0 I mean, they think to themselves, \"I want to be a godly woman,\" right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Honestly, when I listen to women today and when I've had these opportunities through the New Eve seminars to interact with women \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You're speaking now of women in the church.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Yeah, Christian women.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> I think of one 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shape their life so that when the everyday decisions and even some of the more life-changing decision points come into their world, like on who to marry or whether I should take this job or do this or how I should order my priorities and my purposes and my marriage, they don't have a compass.\u00a0 They lack that compass.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so they'll chose, as best they can, but sometimes what they don't realize they're choosing is they're choosing a traditional view, or they're choosing wounded view, or they're choosing a worldliness view because it feels right at the moment.\u00a0 But it didn't have any influence with a New Eve view or a biblical worldview to shape that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAnd so they then they end up with a mistake or a regret or a short-sighted direction that then they have to backtrack from.\u00a0 But I don't find \u2013 I really feel like that today's woman with all that's going on, the frenzy and the pace of life, is not really clear about what they should hold with absolute conviction at the center. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Barbara, as you hear Robert talk about that, and you think about your own life, your own journey as a wife and a mom, do you think you've been aware that you needed a compass or you were looking for a compass or you helped your daughters with a compass, I mean, does what he's talking about resonate with you?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Barbara:<\/strong> Yeah, it makes sense.\u00a0 I'm not sure that I could have put it together, as he was talking about, with a framework.\u00a0 I'm not sure I could have listed off what the four or five things were, and in that sense that might have really been helpful, if I could have articulated in four steps or five steps or whatever what that looked like.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut, for me, what made all the difference in the world was knowing what the Bible said about what it means to be a wife and what it means to be a mom, and even though I didn't come into our marriage with a real clear sense of what that was, I knew that was the answer.\u00a0 And so even though I couldn't have articulated it to you, I knew that I needed to follow what God said, and that was the only way I was really going to find success.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo, yeah, I agree with what he says.\u00a0 I think there are a lot of women who don't know what that framework is and couldn't articulate it.\u00a0 But I know enough about what Robert has written to know that's what he's saying the answer is.\u00a0 That's what the worldview he was talking about, the biblical worldview.\u00a0 That's the anchor.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> In our marriage, we spent a lot of time talking about this, I mean, as we started out, I don't think I knew what it meant to be a man, but as I began to discover that, some, obviously, Robert, through your teaching in Men's Fraternity and in the church, which you pastured for a number of years, I was better able to leave Barbara and interact with her, but we had a lot of discussions around this subject early on in our marriage that have continued on to this day because your role continues to change as you go through the different seasons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tNow, there's a core role that stays the same, but it gets expressed differently.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, the fact that we, all around the table, have such a passion for family is because we did get some of that guiding center, at least a piece of it, on marriage and family, and we believed it, and we invested our life in it, and it's had a rich payoff.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Can you give us just a real quick \u2013 and I know this is going to be a challenge, Robert, because you'd like to comment on all of them, but a real quick definition of true biblical femininity.\u00a0 In other words, what does it mean to be a woman and not a man?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> Well, we do that in \"The New Eve,\" and the way we do it is a process of comparing, I think, the two women who most have marked femininity, and that's the first Eve, and then what I call the New Eve of the New Testament, Mary, to see what were their distinctives. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBut out of that comes a definition that I just simply summarize it this way \u2013 is that what a real woman would be, a real biblical woman, is one who embraces her core callings.\u00a0 Those come from Genesis, and we talk about that in the book.\u00a0 Then out of those core callings, she chooses wisely because she's always keeping those in mind, and as she chooses wisely, she's going to be confronted with situations that are going to challenge those choices.\u00a0 So, at points, she's going to have to live courageously, that's the third mark of true femininity, and then in doing that, and living in courage at moments of her life, then she's expecting, by faith, that that ultimately is going to be a life that's rewarded by God.\u00a0 So she's expecting God's greater reward over a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo that becomes this real simple definition that helps them think about their life all through their life of how am I going to achieve these core callings in their fullest sense, and they balance their life with that over a lifetime.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> You know, this is something I want for all the women in my life, because I love them, and I was listening to you kind of click off the essence of a biblical woman and the new Eve and the embracing God's core call, choosing wisely, living courageously, and expecting greater reward, and I was thinking when I was single I had a checklist of a woman I hoped I'd marry.\u00a0 Now, after the fact, having married Barbara, I was listening to those four, and I was going, you know what?\u00a0 Barbara does pretty well on all four of those, and she obviously doesn't do them perfectly just like I don't do the man's core calling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> She just winked at you, did you see her winking?<br>\u00a0\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> I saw her wink, I winked back at her, too.\u00a0 That's all right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> All right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> Okay.\u00a0 But it's really cool, because I think where Barbara got that is from her study of the Scripture, which is what you're talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Robert:<\/strong> That's exactly right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Dennis:<\/strong> And gleaning the essence of that over a lifetime of study and of being a woman of the Word, and that ultimately is what your book is really trying to do, \"The New Eve,\" is to call women back to that biblical blueprint, a comprehensive blueprint, of what it looks like to be a woman today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t<strong>Bob:<\/strong> Yeah, and I love what Shaunti Feldhahn said in the foreword to the book.\u00a0 She said, \"I never thought a book written by a man could give me such an eye-opening picture of who I should be as a woman,\" and the reason that you, as a man, can write a book that provides this kind of help for women is because it's coming from the Scriptures, and God understands what a woman's assignment is supposed to be, what her role is, and that's what you've capture in the book, \"The New Eve,\" which we've got in our FamilyLife Resource Center.\u00a0 And I really appreciate the fact that you've put in the back of the book the DVD that offers 10 discussion starters for small groups, so that if women want to get a copy of this book and go through it together with other women, there is a DVD to help facilitate that group discussion, and that comes with the book.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tYou can go to our website at FamilyLife.com and find out more information about how you can get a copy of \"The New Eve,\" by Dr. Robert Lewis.\u00a0 When you get to the home page at FamilyLife.com, on the right side of the screen you'll see where it says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and if you click where it says \"Learn More,\" it will take you to the area of the site where you can find out more about the new Eve.\u00a0 You can order a copy of the book online.\u00a0 There is also information about Pat Ennis and Lisa Tatlock's helpful book, \"Becoming a Woman Who Pleases God.\"\u00a0 You may want to get both of these books and use them together either for personal study or for group use.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tAgain, our website is FamilyLife.com, click the box on the right side of the screen that says \"Today's Broadcast,\" and you can order these resources from us off the Internet, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, that's 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY.\u00a0 When you contact us, someone on our team can get you more information about how you can have these resources sent to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tThe next several weeks here at FamilyLife are going to be very exciting weeks for us.\u00a0 Between now and the end of May, we've had some friends of the ministry who have come to us and have offered to match the donations that we receive here at FamilyLife from our listeners on a dollar-for-dollar basis.\u00a0 In fact, they've gotten together, and they have made available a total of $635,000, which is extremely generous of them.\u00a0 But in order for us to take advantage of and to actually receive those funds, we have to hear from listeners who will make donations to the ministry that these friends will then match.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo we are coming to our listeners and asking you to consider today making a donation of any amount to the ministry of FamilyLife Today so that we can take full advantage of this special matching gift opportunity.\u00a0 When you call or go online and make a donation of $25, these friends will match it with another donation of $25, and the money will be, effectively, doubled.\u00a0 This is a great opportunity for our ministry but, again, to take advantage of it, we need your help.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tSo would you consider either going online at FamilyLife.com, or calling 1-800-FLTODAY and making a donation of any amount knowing that your donation is going to be matched dollar-for-dollar up to that total amount of $635,000.\u00a0 Help us take full advantage of this match by making a donation today either online at FamilyLife.com or call us at 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 You can make a donation over the phone and let me just say thanks in advance for your partnership with us.\u00a0 We are listener-supported, and those donations are what keep us on the air in this city and in other cities all across the country, and that's why it's important for us to hear from you, especially with this matching gift opportunity.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tWell, tomorrow Dr. Robert Lewis is going to be back with us.\u00a0 We hope you can be back as well.\u00a0 We want to talk about how many women today are feeling that being a woman today is harder than being a man, and some women, I think, resent the fact that God made them women.\u00a0 We're going to talk more about that tomorrow.\u00a0 Barbara Rainey will be back with us as well and, again, we hope you'll be back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tI want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tFamilyLife Today is a production of FamilyLife of Little Rock, Arkansas \u2013 help for today; hope for tomorrow.\u00a0\u00a0 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