{"id":301474,"date":"2007-11-23T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2007-11-23T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/%series%\/racing-toward-reconciliation\/"},"modified":"2007-11-23T12:00:00","modified_gmt":"2007-11-23T17:00:00","slug":"racing-toward-reconciliation","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/racing-toward-reconciliation\/","title":{"rendered":"Racing Toward Reconciliation"},"content":{"rendered":"","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Mississippi has come to be known through the years as a state rife with racial tension.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":91,"featured_media":294104,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_seopress_robots_primary_cat":"","_seopress_titles_title":"","_seopress_titles_desc":"","_seopress_robots_index":"","inline_featured_image":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","episode_type":"","audio_file":"https:\/\/web.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-11-23.mp3","podmotor_file_id":"","podmotor_episode_id":"","cover_image":"","cover_image_id":"","duration":"00:","filesize":"14.23M","filesize_raw":"14924730","date_recorded":"","explicit":"","block":""},"categories":[2827],"tags":[4981,4059],"podcast_series":[7295],"cwp_profile":[8880],"series":[2101],"class_list":["post-301474","podcast","type-podcast","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-repentance","tag-race","tag-racism","podcast_series-i-aint-comin-back","cwp_profile-dolphus-weary","series-familylife-today"],"acf":[],"episode_featured_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2024\/09\/FLT-Podcast-Cover-2-508x508-3.jpg?w=508","episode_player_image":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/1001\/2023\/02\/image-scaled.jpg","download_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-download\/301474\/racing-toward-reconciliation","player_link":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast-player\/301474\/racing-toward-reconciliation","audio_player":null,"episode_data":{"playerMode":"light","subscribeUrls":{"apple_podcasts":{"key":"apple_podcasts","url":"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/familylife-today\/id212174303?mt=2&app=podcast","label":"Apple Podcasts","class":"apple_podcasts","icon":"apple-podcasts.png"},"google_podcasts":{"key":"google_podcasts","url":"","label":"Google Podcasts","class":"google_podcasts","icon":"google-podcasts.png"},"spotify":{"key":"spotify","url":"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0j5UaKdQOHQCuo1bt0ebEm","label":"Spotify","class":"spotify","icon":"spotify.png"},"youtube":{"key":"youtube","url":"","label":"YouTube","class":"youtube","icon":"youtube.png"}},"rssFeedUrl":"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/feed\/podcast\/familylife-today","embedCode":"<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"fUY0xynfID\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/racing-toward-reconciliation\/\">Racing Toward Reconciliation<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-stage.familylife.com\/www\/podcast\/familylife-today\/racing-toward-reconciliation\/embed\/#?secret=fUY0xynfID\" width=\"500\" height=\"350\" title=\"&#8220;Racing Toward Reconciliation&#8221; &#8212; FamilyLife\u00ae - A Cru Ministry\" data-secret=\"fUY0xynfID\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\"><\/iframe><script>\n\/*! 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Faubus:\u00a0[from audiotape.] You can never whip these birds if you don't keep you and them separate.\u00a0 You've got to keep the white and the black separate.\u00a0 That's the law enforcement agency, that's what you've got them hired for.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0We want to keep these days the way they are, they are good day, but good for who? You see, when I'm dealing with a lot of people today, they say, \"Well, we want to go back to the good old days?\"\u00a0 What was good about those days for me?\u00a0 It might have been good for you, but it wasn't so good for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Friday, November 23rd.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll talk today about the power of the Gospel to bring unity and real racial reconciliation.\u00a0 Stay tuned.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us on the Friday edition.\u00a0 I had the opportunity this past Sunday to hear our guest today preach.\u00a0 He preached at our church and our church is a suburban, mostly white, church.\u00a0 And there was a time when he was preaching when I think he wondered if there were any of us out there, because I remember he asked, he said, \"Is anybody listening?\"\u00a0 And I felt like I need to speak up, so I just said, \"Come on.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You did?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I did \u2013 \"Come on.\"\u00a0 And my wife gave me this elbow.\u00a0 She said, \"Honey, come on, you're kind of being conspicuous, you're sticking out here.\"\u00a0 I said, \"I'll be conspicuous.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Come on, you're just thawing out.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I'm helping the preacher preach.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Not one of the frozen chosen.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's exactly what I was doing.\u00a0 And so I kept doing it and finally, David, my son, looked over \u2013 \"Dad.\"\u00a0 So I settled down a little bit.\u00a0 I didn't want David to be embarrassed.\u00a0 I didn't mind Mary Ann being embarrassed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0One of the problems with our white churches, is we're too white, we really are, and we're just kind of uptight.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Come on.\u00a0 And if you've never been to an African-American church, you know what?\u00a0 You ought to take a can of oil, a can of oil, you know, a little squirt of oil that you put on something that's squeaking?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Like WD-40?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0that's right.\u00a0 Take a can of oil and go to an African-American church, and then as they start to cut loose, you're going to need to squirt in on your ankle so your foot begins to tap \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Your elbow?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And then your elbow and maybe squirt some on your tongue, so you can kind of say \"Come on, come on.\"\u00a0 Well, we have a great friend with us on FamilyLife Today for a second day \u2013 Dolphus Weary.\u00a0 Dolphus, welcome back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Thank you, it's exciting to be here.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Dolphus is the president of Mission Mississippi.\u00a0 He and his wife, Rosie, have three adult children.\u00a0 Dolphus, I want to take you to April 4, 1968.\u00a0 You were a young man, and the news came to you that Martin Luther King had been assassinated.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Someone mentioned that to me.\u00a0 I ran to my room.\u00a0 I was on the campus of LA Baptist College, an all-white Christian college in Southern California.\u00a0 I ran to my room to turn on the radio to try to find out what happened to my hero.\u00a0 And while I was listening to the radio, I heard kids in the hallway laughing and joking and talking about how glad they were that he was shot.\u00a0 Then \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Now, wait a second, was this a Christian school at that point?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0This was a Christian school, conservative Christian school, that I was attending.\u00a0 And I couldn't understand that a place where the Bible is held high is a paradox.\u00a0 I don't understand that.\u00a0 How are people celebrating the death of Martin Luther King.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so in praying about it, I went through several emotions.\u00a0 The first emotion was what I need to do is to leave this school and go join the Black Power movement.\u00a0 The Black Power movement was just getting started in the San Francisco area with H. Rap Brown and Stokely Carmichael.\u00a0 I said maybe I need to go join \u2013 my Christian is failing me right now \u2013 maybe I need to go join the Black Power movement.\u00a0 That was the first emotion.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The second emotion was maybe I just need to stay here and not have anything to do with white people.\u00a0 The third emotion was maybe I need to just start hating white people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, in that period of time in praying, God gave me the fourth emotion.\u00a0 The fourth emotion he gave me was compassion.\u00a0 And God began to show me that these kids are only playing back the tape that's been recorded in their head.\u00a0 Several months prior to this, someone came to our campus and showed a documentation film that documented Martin Luther King as a Communist, okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so these kids in my head now, these kids are only playing back the tape that's been recorded because somebody had put it out that he was a Communist.\u00a0 What they are really doing is celebrating the fact that a Communist has been killed.\u00a0 That helped me in the process of my compassion.\u00a0 But, more than anything else, I knew from that day on I needed to help some of these students understand that the information that they have is not the best information.\u00a0 How can I help them, and every time I wrote a paper \u2013 I did a paper on the historical church and slavery.\u00a0 Every time I gave a speech, everything I did was designed to try to educate people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I really do believe, as I look back now, that that was the beginning point that God laid it in my heart for me to be doing what I'm doing now in Mississippi.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I remember that event as well. I was in the sixth grade in 1968, and it was coming up on spring break at our school, and every year my family would pack up the station wagon, and we would drive from St. Louis down to Panama City Beach, Florida, and we'd have spring break at Panama City.\u00a0 And we usually spent the night somewhere along the way, and my dad had planned that we would drive to Memphis, and we'd spend the night in Memphis, and then we would go on to Panama City.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I remember the night he came home, and I hadn't heard anything in the news, but he came home, and he said, \"Well, they shot Dr. King in Memphis, so we're going to have to reroute the trip and spend the night in Meridian or somewhere else because there are going to race riots in Memphis.\u00a0 We're not going to want to be caught in the middle of that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I had the exact thought \u2013 I wasn't laughing and joking, but I remember thinking, \"Well, it's probably a good thing that they shot Dr. King.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Because all I had ever heard was that here is a man who is going around the South, and he's a rabble-rouser, and he's stirring people up, and he's creating problems, and if he's just leave well enough alone, we'd get this thing fixed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0That's good, absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's what, as a 12-year-old boy, those were the tapes I'd gotten in my house.\u00a0 So that fact that somebody took him out was a good thing.\u00a0 Maybe now we wouldn't have the problems that he was creating.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I don't even remember.\u00a0 I mean, I was so far removed from this as a boy.\u00a0 I grew up in a small town, our listeners have heard me talk about it, there was a town of 1,300 people, one African-American man in the entire town.\u00a0 There wasn't racism in our community.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0There wasn't race in your community.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0There was no race to have there, and so I was totally oblivious to what an African-American man would feel.\u00a0 It wasn't talked about in our home.\u00a0 I just didn't know how to process it, and I'm sitting here listening to you process through those four emotions, and I'm thinking, \"I don't know if I could have gotten to the four emotion \u2013 compassion, if I were you.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I mean, I really do understand humanly why some young men were so angry they joined the Black Panthers, and why they joined the militant forces.\u00a0 But the Scriptures don't call us to a human response.\u00a0 They call us to a Holy Spirit-led response, and that's what happened in your life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Absolutely, and God began to work in my life in such a way that that message is still true today.\u00a0 We need to learn how to look at the situation, and we need to learn how to have compassion for others, but how can we have compassion when we're so busy judging each other.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And when we understand that if everything is going a certain way, the white community was in control, black people were subservient, black people had to go in the back doors of restaurants, to separate water fountains, to separate everything.\u00a0 Now, all of a sudden, people start getting frightened.\u00a0 We've got to start sharing this, okay?\u00a0 We've got to start changing the way we do business.\u00a0 That's scary, that's why your dad said what he said.\u00a0 That's scary when you start \u2013 you've got to change.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so there was anger on the part of the white community who said, \"We don't want to change.\u00a0 We want to keep these days the way they are.\u00a0 They are good days,\" but good for who, you see?\u00a0 And out of that, what I'm dealing with a lot of people today, they say, \"Well, we want to go back to the good old days.\"\u00a0 What was good about those days for me?\u00a0 It might have been good for you, but it wasn't so good for me.\u00a0 Those are the kind of things we've got to break people across.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Help me with something \u2013 I was on a panel for the United States Air Force, and it was a group of religious leaders from around the country, all right?\u00a0 And I was seated right next to an African-American gentleman, who represented a denomination, a very prominent denomination, and as we were talking about some of these matters on this panel, he was angry.\u00a0 He did not get to the fourth point.\u00a0 I felt the white heat from him toward me, as a man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, there is no question biblically what my response is to be to him.\u00a0 But help me and others who are listening, how do we respond to those who don't have a godly response back to us?\u00a0 Who are just militant, they're just angry about the generational sin of how we've treated our fellow human beings.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0I think there are two things.\u00a0 One is we need to take a prayerful mode to be praying for ourselves and then pray for the other person or persons.\u00a0 The second thing we need to do is we need to identify somebody that we can develop a relationship with so that we can ask the hard question.\u00a0 The hard question is help me understand a little bit more about your anger, help me understand that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I came across as not an angry person, but there are some people that's being fed information, negative information, that keeps building the fire hotter and hotter and hotter.\u00a0 Many times, it will be important to develop a relationship \u2013 see, every now and then it would be good for you to go outside of the normal people you might talk to, to talk to somebody who is \"a little militant\" so that you can learn a little bit more from them, not so much that you can change them, because the change needs to take place in your own heart as well as the change that takes place in their heart.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So often we want to fix people.\u00a0 We find somebody like that, and we want to fix them real quick, and sometimes I'm trying to tell people, \"Let's don't try to fix somebody so quick, let's try to spend a little extra time trying to find out why they are angry and what's going on.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, you're describing exactly what I was feeling as I sat next to that gentleman on the panel.\u00a0 My emotions were, \"Get over it.\"\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0That's right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0\"This is in the past, this is a modern day, there's all these strides, positive things happening, just move on, brother, just move on.\" And it isn't fixable.\u00a0 You don't just flip a switch and forget 50 to 100 years of oppression. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0That's right, that's right. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, let me ask you this, let's go back 100 years, and if we say oppression 100 years ago on a scale of 1 to 100, we'll say oppression was at 100. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Fifty years ago, we'll say, \"Okay, oppression had\" \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Don't \u2013 don't \u2013 let him answer.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, oppression had \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Fifty years ago.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Fifty years ago, if it was 100 years ago, where was it 50 years ago?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Probably 75.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Seventy-five \u2013 where is it today?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0We're still running somewhere around 30.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Really?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Because we still are operating from the fact that there is nothing wrong.\u00a0 See, we are not willing \u2013 if I speak to Christians, we are not willing to allow our Christian faith to help us to do what's right.\u00a0 We will let the culture and history and the way things have always been done to dictate to us in terms of how we make decisions rather than allow our relationship with Jesus to dictate to us in terms of how we make decisions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0But we live in a day today where Denzel Washington gets the Academy Award, and where Oprah is the richest woman on television, and where African-American pop stars are making a lot of money, and sports figures\u00a0 \u2013 I mean, Michael Jordan is the best known \u2013 and Tiger Woods?\u00a0 I mean, look \u2013 and we've still got 30 percent factor here that's the racism factor?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Absolutely.\u00a0 We're still dealing with things on one level and still at the top where is it?\u00a0 What does it look like?\u00a0 What does it look like in terms of who still owns it?\u00a0 What does it look like in terms of who still controls it?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And I want you to help me understand something.\u00a0 I'm going to ask you a very hard question.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Okay.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0And I'm not sure how you're going to answer it \u2013 the most segregated hour in America is 11 to 12 on Sunday morning.\u00a0 What's your feeling about that?\u00a0 Should it be different than how it is right now, or is it okay that it's segregated?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0That's a good one, I like it, I like it.\u00a0 See, I think it's okay.\u00a0 I really think it's okay.\u00a0 The problem is that people don't ever get out of that mode.\u00a0 You see, it's okay for people to choose to worship at the style and to choose to worship at that style.\u00a0 The problem is we never come together periodically.\u00a0 If there were churches that were \u2013 a segregated church that was meeting, and then once a quarter you had churches all over the city getting together for a Sunday evening service, I firmly believe that the paradigm that I want to push with Mission Mississippi is pardon the churches.\u00a0 Not integrated churches.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Integrated churches only happen because every church ought to be open, period.\u00a0 That's just a fact.\u00a0 Every church ought to be open to anybody that God would bring to that church.\u00a0 That has not been the thing historically.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So I firmly believe that the way to go is open churches and then, secondly, is that we need to have churches in a given community that will intentionally come together periodically so that people in those bodies would get to know each other rather than trying to deal with an integrated body.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Let me bounce this off you.\u00a0 Somebody said to me one time, said \"White people and black people have a fundamental \u2013 they view the Gospel in a fundamentally different way.\"\u00a0 He said, \"If you go to a white person, and you say, 'What's the core message of the Gospel?' the white person is going to say 'It's about Jesus forgiving our sins.'\u00a0 He said, \"If you go to a black person, you say 'What's the core message of the Gospel?' they're going to say it's about justice, about God restoring justice on the earth.'\u00a0 My friend said that reflects our 200 years of history in the United States where the Gospel is all about justice to the black man and all about the need for forgiveness of sins to the white man.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0That's a tough one.\u00a0 Sometimes in the white community, there is a narrowedness down to a personal relationship with Jesus, a personal relationship, and that is something that should be copied.\u00a0 It is something that's needed.\u00a0 It's a personal faith that we deal with.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But in the black community, the question is how does your personal faith impact what you do, okay?\u00a0 How does it impact, and in the white community, is what I do in terms of drinking, not drinking; cursing and not cursing.\u00a0 In the black community it is how does it affect your thoughts of justice and equality and all those kind of things, and it goes a whole lot deeper.\u00a0 It's like goes to the community \u2013 how does it affect the community?\u00a0 The black Christian community is saying how does it affect the community, and the white one is how does it affect me personally.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, Dolphus, I appreciate how you have been such an ambassador here, and I'm sorry we don't have our broadcast, Bob, on the Internet where you can see the smile on Dolphus's face as he speaks straight to us to help us better understand not merely the need for racial reconciliation but also how to better understand our fellow human being who has been oppressed.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I think the real challenge for us today, though, in this area of racial reconciliation is for those of us who are the moms and dads, the grandfathers and grandmothers of future generations \u2013 we need to go out of our way within the Christian community to make sure we reach out; that we don't wait for those people of color to come to us.\u00a0 We go to them, and we seek that relationship you're talking about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I've done that, Dolphus, and I continue to do it, and I'm going to tell you, I am a better man, I have a much better understanding \u2013 I don't fully understand, there is no question about that, but I know that, Bob, many times our outreach is here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 We are purposefully going after people of color, and that would be any number of races that are in America today because of what God has done in our hearts here at FamilyLife.\u00a0 We want to be a part of blessing the families of all of America and all of the world.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And yesterday you mentioned that a strategy families could employ to try to help shape the thinking of our children, to get a book like the one that Dolphus has written and read it for family devotions.\u00a0 Just go through a chapter a day as you go through your family devotions and help your kids.\u00a0 It will get them \u2013 you like to say, \"Get them out of their box,\" isn't that right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Absolutely, absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0We all need to spend a little time outside the box, don't we?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Absolutely, and we need to always keep in mind that we need to push people back to the Bible.\u00a0 We need to push people back to central Christianity and following what the Word says, whether we're talking about black, white, Asian, Hispanic.\u00a0 We need to keep pushing people back to the word of God.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Because we have messed it up.\u00a0 Culturally, we have messed it up, and that's one of the things we deal with all the time is because we have messed it up, and you just can't use Christianity because we messed it up.\u00a0 We've got to keep pushing people back to what does the Bible say, and we need to quit trying to jump on all these bandwagons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Yeah, come on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0We need to keep pushing people back to the Word.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I agree, brother, I agree.\u00a0 And you know what?\u00a0 I've enjoyed the past couple of days, and I hope you'll come back. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0We hope so.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Uh-huh, I love you, Dolphus, and I sure appreciate you and your ministry Mission Mississippi, and just pray God's favor upon all you do down there, and I do hope you'll come on back.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I should mention that the proceeds from this book, \"I Ain't Coming Back,\" go to help support Mission Mississippi, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDolphus:\u00a0Absolutely.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All the royalties go to the ministry, and so if you want to get a copy of the book, you're not only helping your family, but you're helping Mission Mississippi as well.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0You can contact us by going to our website at FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 When you get to the home page, you'll see a red button in the center of the screen, and if you click that button that says \"Go\" that will take you to an area of the site where there is more information about how to order a copy of Dolphus's book.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, and you click the red \"Go\" button in the middle of the screen to get where you need to be in order to get a copy of Dolphus's book.\u00a0 Or call 1-800-FLTODAY.\u00a0 That's 1-800-358-6329.\u00a0 1-800-F-as-in-family, L-as-in-life, and then the word TODAY, and someone on our team will make arrangements to get a copy of Dolphus's book sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I don't know how many of our listeners are listening today in traffic around the malls.\u00a0 You know, this is that traditional start of the holiday season, and I'm guessing that there are a lot of people who have decided that now is the time to get the best deal they can on some kind of a flat panel plasma television or something, and if you got up at 3 in the morning, you were able to get the best price.\u00a0 You know how it goes on the day after Thanksgiving.\u00a0 But we want to make sure that before we forget Thanksgiving, we remember to again say how thankful we are that you tuned in to listen to FamilyLife Today, and we're thankful for those of you who have helped financially support this program.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We are listener-supported, more than 60 percent of the revenue we receive as a ministry comes from folks like you who listen and help support us with donations either from time to time or on a regular basis each month as a Legacy Partner.\u00a0 We could not continue to make this radio program available on this station and other stations all across the country if it weren't for those of you who do help support us, and we appreciate you. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0This month, if you are able to support the ministry of FamilyLife Today with a donation of any amount, we'd like to send you a DVD for your family to enjoy during the Christmas season.\u00a0 It's an animated DVD called \"The Very First Noel.\"\u00a0 It presents the Christmas story in a fresh, creative way.\u00a0 Andy Griffith is the narrator of this story, and we think it's something your family may enjoy during this holiday season.\u00a0 Again, it's our gift to you, our way of saying thank you when you do help support the ministry of FamilyLife Today this month with a donation of any amount.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0If you're making a donation online, as you fill out the donation form, you'll come to a keycode box.\u00a0 Just type the word \"Noel\" in that keycode box, and we'll know to send you a copy of this 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