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workplace.","meta_box":{"show_notes":"","transcript_url":"https:\/\/transcript.familylifetoday.com\/fl2007-09-19.pdf","transcript_content":"<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0We need to encourage our children to recognize their God-given abilities and talents and really pursue those.\u00a0 And I tell people, by the way, that they should do something they're passionate about, but also something that really fits their strengths. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We all loved the movie \"Chariots of Fire,\" where Eric Liddell said, \"When I run, I feel God's pleasure.\"\u00a0 God had made him fast.\u00a0 He was a gifted runner, and when we cooperate with the way God has made us, we feel His pleasure, we enjoy it, it becomes more fulfilling and satisfying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[Theme from \"Chariots of Fire\"]\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0This is FamilyLife Today for Wednesday, September 19th.\u00a0 Our host is the president of FamilyLife, Dennis Rainey, and I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 How we handle ourselves, how we do our job, is part of how we represent Christ in the marketplace.\u00a0 Stay with us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And welcome to FamilyLife Today, thanks for joining us.\u00a0 Can I take just a minute and brag about my son for a second?\u00a0 Is that okay?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0The floor is yours.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, I have a son who just turned 16 back in the summer, and John, when he was 14 years old wanted to get a job.\u00a0 Now, there aren't a whole lot of places you can get a real job when you're 14.\u00a0 But we were able to go and get a work permit, and actually his brother had worked at a coffee shop and had been a good employee, and so his brother put in a good word with the boss and said, \"You know, my younger brother would be somebody you might want to hire.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yeah, sure, good for him.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And so John went down, and he got a job at the coffee shop at age 14.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Did the brother try to get a commission on the job placement?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0No, he was very good about it, but I remember picking up John one night at work, and this was right before his 16th birthday, and I said, \"You know, you've worked there, what, a little more than a year, a year and a half now?\"\u00a0 And I said, \"How many people have worked at this coffee shop longer than you?\"\u00a0 And he said, \"There's one other employee.\u00a0 There's the owner and one other employee, and I'm the second-most tenured employee.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0A lot of people had come and gone, I assume.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0That's right, and I thought to myself, how many children at the age of almost 16 are the second-most tenured employee in their part-time job, and the boss is talking about them being assistant manager or closing the night shift, doing those kinds of things because they've been faithful, and they've been conscientious.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I thought about your wife, Barbara, because I know a work ethic is one of the things that she felt strongly about with your children, as you were raising them, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Yes, all of our children had jobs beginning at 14 \u2013 part-time jobs \u2013 not more than 10, 12 hours a week.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Right.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0But they got jobs just like John did, and we believe, like you do, that experience really helps establish habits for the future.\u00a0 And our guest on today's program, I believe, is going to embrace that as well.\u00a0 His name is Dr. Tim Irwin.\u00a0 Tim and I go way back to the University of Colorado when I was working with high school students in Boulder, Colorado, and Tim was working with university students, both of us on staff with Campus Crusade for Christ, and it really is a treat to have Tim on the broadcast.\u00a0 Tim, good to see you again.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0It's great to see you, Dennis.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Tim is managing partner of Irwin, Inc.\u00a0 He has been a consultant for more than 20 years of a lot of top companies around the country.\u00a0 He and his wife, Ann, have two sons and live in Atlanta, and he has written a book called \"Run With the Bulls Without Getting Trampled.\"\u00a0 And I've had a lot of people send me this book.\u00a0 I think I now have five copies.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do they think you're a bull or \u2026?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0I don't know if they're afraid I'm getting trampled or if I\u2019m doing the trampling.\u00a0 I don't think that's actually the reason it was sent.\u00a0 It was sent to me because they said this is a great book, and you need to have Tim on your broadcast.\u00a0 And so I took a look at it, and I thought, \"You know what?\u00a0 Anybody who is brave enough to go over there and run with the bulls\" \u2013 you literally did that.\u00a0 This title is not merely kind of a hook around careers, it really is about running with the bulls that you actually did.\u00a0 All those guys in those white uniforms and red sashes.\u00a0 You did that with your son?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0It really happened, and the way it happened was that my son announced he was going to do it, and my wife, Ann, said, \"You have to tell him he can't do that.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t[laughter] \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And after a while, the compromise we worked out was that I would go and do it with him.\u00a0 So I met him in Pamplona.\u00a0 He was studying the language over there, and so we went over, and I met him Pamplona.\u00a0 We ran with the bulls.\u00a0 And it was crazy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Now, give him an idea of how many people run with the bulls.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, it happens eight days in a row.\u00a0 It's in connection with a religious festival called San Fermin.\u00a0 And they run these bulls into the bull ring, and usually a couple of thousand fear-driven, testosterone, adrenalin, it's a pretty volatile mixture.\u00a0 Guys are running through the streets with these bulls.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0No women?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0A few sneak in, but they're discouraged.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0I have to \u2013 because I've seen this, and I've heard about the running of the bulls, and I've always thought to myself, \"Why?\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, that's a good question.\u00a0 In our culture it makes no sense.\u00a0 But it has a very rich cultural heritage over there, and it's been something they've done for 600 years, and it's become somewhat of a rite of passage for young men today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I did this and had this experience, and the irony, by the way, was that you can see this on my website, because the video shows that William actually pushed me out of the way, and he kept me from getting trampled by these bulls at the last instant.\u00a0 So we had a role reversal.\u00a0 He ended up watching out for me.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0But I finished this experience, and I was thinking about it, and I said, \"This is a metaphor for what the workplace is like.\u00a0 People feel this way.\u00a0 They feel like they're getting trampled.\u00a0 And the corporate bulls are raging all around us.\u00a0 The senior management often has unrealistic expectations about what people should do; the co-worker who is out to get me; the downsizings; the IT systems that don't work well \u2013 all these things are part of normal corporate life.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And if you don't run wisely and skillfully, you are going to get trampled or gored or worse.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0There's really two ways we can apply what you're talking about in your book.\u00a0 One, first of all, to our own careers, husbands and wives who are working both in the home and outside the home just, first of all, being wise in the marketplace.\u00a0 But, secondly, like Bob started the broadcast, we're raising a generation of young people today who need to be equipped with tools to know how to engage in the marketplace and, again, not just merely, not be trampled, but be effective in their work, right?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Absolutely.\u00a0 And I think one of the primary responsibilities of good parenting is to prepare your children for growing into the workplace.\u00a0 I mean, all of us are going to work at something, and we've got to develop these characteristics, and I think these characteristics are primarily found in the home.\u00a0 I mean, they're created in the home, the work habits and the dependability and so on.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0A lot of people don't like their job.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Studies are shocking.\u00a0 I mean, I see studies that come out all the time that show that the majority of Americans really are unhappy at work.\u00a0 I've seen one study as high as 85 percent of people hate their jobs.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it's tragic when you think about the fact that we spend more than 50 percent of our waking hours in the workplace.\u00a0 So we've got a lot of unhappy people out there, and work is just not working for a whole lot people.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Aren't there a lot of people who are expecting more from their job than a job is supposed to give them in the first place?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, that may be true, Bob.\u00a0 On the other hand, I think we should be passionate about what we're doing, and that's one of the things that I encourage people to do is find meaning in your work.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The studies show that compensation is important, but if you \u2013 once you're paid fairly, compensation drops pretty far down on the list as far as a motivator, and what people are looking for is significance and meaning and purpose.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And that's what I think we should be helping our kids discover in the workplace.\u00a0 Something we can be passionate about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Tim, is that a cultural phenomena?\u00a0 When you move to other countries, the idea of significance and gaining a sense of satisfaction from your job, is that found in other cultures quite like it is here in America because we have so much?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, we know that in places where people are barely surviving, I mean, that's a very different context, but I think in most countries, people are looking for meaning in work.\u00a0 They want to get up and know why they're going to work that morning.\u00a0 They want to know why they're on the planet.\u00a0 I think it's part of a deeper sense of purpose that we're all looking for.\u00a0 But work is one place we need to discover that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So what would you say to a mom who is looking at her \u2013 well, a 16-year-old son who is just beginning \u2013 not his career, but he's beginning to test the marketplace, get out with a part-time job like Bob's son, John, and he's beginning to learn some disciplines, submit to authority, have some responsibilities, get paid for it.\u00a0 Where should a mom and a dad begin as they look at their kids and begin to train them?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Dennis, as a corporate psychologist over the last 20 years, I've interviewed thousands of very, very successful executives.\u00a0 These are people who are running Fortune 100 and Fortune 500 companies.\u00a0 I mean, these are people who have really made it to the top of American industry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And as I began to reflect on the characteristics that were common to these people, they are very distinctive, and they really fall into three categories.\u00a0 One is thoughtful commitment \u2013 these people generally are working with some sense of meaning and purpose about what they're doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I've worked a lot in technology companies, and I've found, for example, if you go in and talk to coders, and you ask them what they're doing, a lot of them, they'll say, \"Well, I'm running code.\"\u00a0 You talk to others, and they'll say, \"What are you doing,\" and they'll say, \"Well, I'm creating software.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I talked one day to a person running code, and I said, \"What are you doing?\"\u00a0 And she said, \"Well, I'm reforming health care in America.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0So it's a matter of perspective in many cases.\u00a0 I think we often need to be encouraging our children, first, to be committed to what they're doing.\u00a0 A second thing is integrity.\u00a0 In other words, authenticity, and it has to do with character, that's really what it \u2013 and where is character learned?\u00a0 I think it's learned in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I mean, if you haven't learned character by the time you're 18 or 19, I mean, you're going to be struggling with that.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0By the way, I have a client that gives what they call a \"$5 honesty test.\"\u00a0 And what they do is they interview the candidate for the job, and they ask the person, what was your grade point in college or high school?\u00a0 And so they write down the person's answer.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, later that day they call the registrar of that person's college and say, \"What was that person's GPA?\"\u00a0 And if there's a big discrepancy, that's another indication that the person has a character problem, and honesty problem, if you will.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Character does matter at work, and because ultimately leadership is a matter of trust.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Absolutely, and, you know, one of the things that I believe is that very often we tend to see a person's true character when they're under stress.\u00a0 I know something about submarines, and the fact is when a submarine comes out of drydock, the first thing they do is they take it out into the ocean and go deep into the water, because the pressure of the water will reveal where the leaks are.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And sometimes we \u2013 people look pretty good.\u00a0 I mean, I interview people all the time, and they can look great it an interview, but when you see them under stress, that's when you find out what a person's true character is about.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0The final thing that I found was characteristic of these people who are very successful was that they were competent.\u00a0 And I define that in seven ways, and we can talk about that in more detail.\u00a0 But those competencies, I think, really are developed in the home.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0So as we train our sons and daughters, and as they look at those three \u2013 commitment, character, and competency, you're saying that their chores, what they're being asked to do around the family, the odd jobs that we give them, there can be some real training that takes place so that, like the title of your book, someday they can run with the bulls and not be trampled, and they can really get some skills here?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Exactly.\u00a0 And I think \u2013 let me give you an example.\u00a0 Self-management \u2013 now, this is a biblical characteristic.\u00a0 We know this is straight out of Proverbs, but this is one of the characteristics that people who are highly successful in the workplace have.\u00a0 They are able to control and manage what they say.\u00a0 They are able to control and manage their emotions.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0It's been said, for example, that if you're in a race, very often it's more important to get ahead of yourself than it is to get ahead of others.\u00a0 In other words, you've got to learn to manage yourself, and I suspect, Bob, that your son is learning some of these really important characteristics in this first job.\u00a0 Those first jobs are very important.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Another thing, by the way, that we learn in those jobs is we learn how to work with difficult people.\u00a0 I mean, the workplace today has become so relational.\u00a0 Most work is done on teams, we have to solve problems with others, we have to resolve conflict, we have to manage those relationships skillfully.\u00a0 And that's a competency that people who are effective in the workplace, and your son, obviously, has to work with others who are fulfilling these orders for coffee or who has to clean up tonight or all those things \u2013 those are things that we have to negotiate with others.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Do you think that young men and women today in their 20s are approaching work differently than we did when we graduated from high school or college back several years ago?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0There are certainly characteristics of generations that we all read articles about.\u00a0 I mean, the baby boomers are one way, and the gen-Xers are another way, and gen-Yers, and so on.\u00a0 And I certainly think there are characteristics.\u00a0 But, Bob, I really don't think so.\u00a0 I don't think that people are being that thoughtful about their work, and they're sort of getting into these jobs, and I do think that gen-Yers seem to really want to do something that is meaningful.\u00a0 I mean, that seems to be a characteristic.\u00a0 They are trying to find jobs that they feel have real purpose, and that may be something that's distinctive about their generation. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You've counseled CEOs and Fortune 100 companies \u2013 I'm just curious \u2013 as a consultant, when you came to your own children, give us the top two or three things that you did best in raising them to think about their careers, and then give us a couple of things you wish you could have done differently as a parent.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, those are \u2013 particularly, the second list is the long list.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Even as a consultant, huh?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Absolutely.\u00a0 I think I wanted my boys, number one, to be challenged.\u00a0 I wanted them to really reach to their capabilities, and, to me, that's, as a parent, we need to be sending messages all the time about \"Go for it, push hard, use your talents, don't settle for second best.\u00a0 I mean, use the gifts God has given you, be a good steward.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Paul says in 1 Corinthians 9:24, \"Run in such a way as to win.\"\u00a0 Run to win.\u00a0 We're in a race.\u00a0 Don't just get out there and flail around.\u00a0 Actually run to win, and I think that's an important message, and so that's one of the things I always encourage my boys is to really get out there and make an effort.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Let me illustrate that quickly.\u00a0 The other day I was having a conversation with my 22-year-old, Laura, who recently graduated from college and is getting ready to begin her official career.\u00a0 Now, she's worked all the way from the time she was 14 all the way through high school and college, but she's about to begin in earnest.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I asked her, I said, \"Laura, what percent would you say you are challenged?\"\u00a0 And she thought for a little bit, and she goes, \"About 50 percent\" \u2013 all the way through college.\u00a0 And I said, \"You know what?\u00a0 I have a hunch that was right.\u00a0 You need to go for it.\u00a0 You need to step out and find something that gives you a challenge to maximize our life.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And it was one of those casual conversations that, frankly, it \u2013 Tim, I kind of hate to admit this \u2013 it was not an intentional conversation, it was just one of those things that just kind of occurred, but when she wrote a letter to her family and friends recently, she told that story of how she had been reflecting on my question and had really shown some maturity in reflecting upon her life and thinking, \"You know what?\u00a0 I do want to be one of those 110-percent people that really does go for it.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so I think regardless of how old our children are, we need to be careful we don't diminish our role in their lives to really say a word that can really help guide them along the way.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Absolutely, we need to encourage our children to recognize their God-given abilities and talents and really pursue those.\u00a0 And I tell people, by the way, that they should do something they're passionate about but also something that really fits their strengths. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0We all loved the movie, \"Chariots of Fire\" where Eric Liddell said, \"When I run I feel God's pleasure.\"\u00a0 God had made him fast.\u00a0 He was a gift runner, and when we cooperate with the way God has made us, we feel His pleasure.\u00a0 We enjoy it.\u00a0 It becomes more fulfilling and satisfying.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0Okay, so there's a couple of the things you did right.\u00a0 Real quickly, what are a couple of the failures you had as a parent, things you wish you could have done a little differently with your sons.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, that would be a very long list, if we went into detail, but one of the things that I think is always possible for any working parent is to bring stress home.\u00a0 I mean, the workplace is grinding, it's difficult.\u00a0 I was waiting in the security line this morning in the Atlanta airport, and I thought about, \"This is really stressful.\"\u00a0 I mean, the things that we're having to go through.\u00a0 It took probably 45 minutes to get through this line, and travel and work can wear you down.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And so I certainly think there times, there were moments when I would bring stress home, and I wouldn't be as emotionally available to my wife and children as I would like to be.\u00a0 And sometimes stress wears us to a place where our temper is short, and we're edgy, and so I think I certainly have those kinds of regrets.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0And I think you've touched on something here that is a tension for a lot of us in the workplace.\u00a0 You've talked about being invested and having passion for what you do and commitment to what you do, and yet the more passionate and committed we are to what we do, the more it may drain off some of the passion and commitment that needs to be invested at home.\u00a0 How does a guy find that balance?\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Well, that's a huge topic in and of itself, is how do we balance what we do in our primary vocation with our commitments to our families, and I certainly think our commitment to God and our commitment to our families supercede what we do at work.\u00a0 But work is very demanding and often very fulfilling.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I mean, one of the things that if we get in the right job, we're going to feel that passion, and we're going to sense our purpose there.\u00a0 And with technology it's so easy for work to encroach on our lives in so many different ways.\u00a0 I mean, how many times do we see guys sitting around a table in a restaurant with their family checking their Blackberries.\u00a0 I mean, it's fairly common today.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And we take work home with us.\u00a0 I mean, with the Internet \u2026\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0All right, we're going to have to end today's program now.\u00a0 I'm sorry, you've gone to meddling there, I'm afraid.\u00a0 But you're exactly right, it is easy for that to become dominant in our lives, and pretty soon there is no margin left for our wife, for our children, for our church.\u00a0 Work has consumed us.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tTim:\u00a0Absolutely, and, certainly, that would be one of my answers to your question about what I regret about, and certainly work is demanding in that way, and we get home, and we say hello, and then we get on the Internet.\u00a0 We start answering e-mail for another three hours.\u00a0 I've been at work for 10 or 11 hours, and then I'm going to spend another two or three hours answering e-mail.\u00a0 It's very, very easy.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tDennis:\u00a0You know, I'm going to use this as a segue to just turn to our audience and let them know that FamilyLife is looking for a few good men and women to invest their lives here.\u00a0 Personally, I believe this whole issue of career has prepared many of our listeners to invest their talent, their abilities, their experience, their passions, their strengths, like you were talking about, Tim, and invest it in the Kingdom work and full-time ministry.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Now, I believe everybody needs to be in ministry regardless of what their vocation is, but I do believe God does call people out of the workplace into a vocational setting where they use their talents and abilities and, right now, because of ambitious plans and dreams we have to equip families here in America and around the world, we are turning up the gain in terms of going to our listeners, those who attend our conferences, those who go online at FamilyLife.com, and we're saying to them, \"Is God tapping you on the shoulder?\"\u00a0 Is there something stirring within you where you say, \"You know what?\u00a0 I want to move from success to significance.\u00a0 I want to move from using my talent in corporate America to using my talent to help rebuild the most important unit in America \u2013 that's the family.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And we're looking for a few of those people, and I'd like you to pick up the phone or go online and let's talk about how you might be able to fit in here at FamilyLife.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\tBob:\u00a0Well, it's interesting, because a lot of the folks who are a part of what we're doing here at FamilyLife come from very diverse vocational backgrounds.\u00a0 I think some of our listeners may think, \"Well, I couldn't work at FamilyLife.\u00a0 I'm trained as a chef,\" or \"I\u2019m trained as a law enforcement official,\" or \"I'm a CPA,\" or \"I've done computer work.\"\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, we've been able to put a lot of people to work in a lot of great areas, and any of our listeners who would like to find out about working at FamilyLife full time, becoming a part of our staff, you can go to our website, FamilyLife.com, there is a red button in the middle of the screen on the home page that says \"Go,\" and if you click that button, there's a link on the next page that will take you to an area of the site where you can get more information about becoming a part of the FamilyLife staff; how you can join up and be part of the team.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, our website is FamilyLife.com.\u00a0 You can also call us for more information at 1-800-FLTODAY, 1-800-358-6329, and we'll get you the information you need so that you can find out more about becoming a part of the FamilyLife staff.\u00a0 Again, the website is FamilyLife.com, and the toll-free number is 1-800-FLTODAY, and you'd use that same Web address or that same phone number if you wanted to go to our website to get a copy of Tim Irwin's book, which is called \"Run With the Bulls,\" and it's a good book for parents to read as we think about preparing our children for the workplace.\u00a0 \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0And I know that wasn't primary in your mind, Tim, when you wrote the book, but I think as moms and dads, as we look at how we get our children ready for their vocation, this is a good book to help us think through what we need to be doing.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Again, there's information about Tim's book on our website at FamilyLife.com, or you can call us at 1-800-FLTODAY, and you can either order the book online, or you can talk to somebody, and we'll make arrangements to have a copy of the book sent out to you.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0Well, tomorrow we want to talk about how important it is for our children to have the right kind of character if they're going to be the right kind of employees.\u00a0 Our guest, Dr. Tim Irwin, will be back with us to talk about that tomorrow.\u00a0 I hope you can be back with us as well.\n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0I want to thank our engineer today, Keith Lynch, and our entire broadcast production team.\u00a0 On behalf of our host, Dennis Rainey, I'm Bob Lepine.\u00a0 We'll see you back tomorrow for another edition of FamilyLife Today. \n\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t<p>\n\t\t\t\t\u00a0FamilyLife Today is a production of 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